Stepping into [ed]Leadership

Keep the why, change the howIn this episode, we’re joined by Jamie Clark, Head of Professional Growth at Mercedes College in Perth and author of the popular OnePagers series. An English teacher at heart, Jamie shares his deep commitment to teaching and learning, reflecting on his journey from classroom practice in the UK to leading professional growth initiatives grounded in research, trust, and psychological safety. He speaks about starting small, whether through 15-minute professional learning sessions or informal coaching, and how those moments can spark meaningful, sustained development across a school.Jamie unpacks his philosophy of “pedagogy first, technology second,” sharing insights into overcoming barriers like time pressure and cognitive overload. He delves into the importance of narrowing the toolkit, creating a shared language, and building coaching relationships that uplift teachers through partnership, feedback, and reflection. He emphasises vulnerability, clarity, and the relational groundwork needed for real change to take hold.We also explore Jamie’s much-loved OnePagers; concise visual summaries that provide access to research-based strategies and help teachers connect theory to classroom practice. By reducing cognitive load for teachers, they’ve become a cornerstone for growth conversations and professional learning communities. Jamie closes by reflecting on leadership, sustaining change, and leaving a lasting legacy built on curiosity, generosity, and a deep desire to help others thrive. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Professional nourishmentIn this episode, Kerri Proctor shares her journey from classroom teacher to middle leader and now executive, reflecting on the power of professional dialogue. She highlights the unique learning that comes from collaboration and leading with humility, emphasizing that culture and community always come before strategy. We discuss the challenges and gifts of middle leadership, including the ever-present imposter syndrome, the balance of operational and strategic responsibilities, and the profound impact middle leaders have as stewards and connectors in a school.Kerri opens up about the steep learning curve that comes with stepping into higher leadership, from trusting her intuition and building strong relationships to navigating time management, policy, and wellbeing. We explore the critical role of learning communities, personalised professional growth, and creating an environment where all staff feel seen, heard, and respected. Kerri advocates for a culture of reflection, invitational feedback, and finding what nourishes each teacher, reminding us that real growth is a journey for both new and experienced educators.Our conversation also delves into Kerri’s transformative cultural immersion trip to Arnhem Land, where she learned the power of slowing down, listening deeply, and leading with curiosity. She reveals how these experiences align with her approach to leadership; focusing on trust, values, and bringing out the best in every member of the school community. Kerri encourages educators to say yes to new opportunities, celebrate each person’s unique contribution, and always ask, “Is this best for our students and our community?” Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Leading leadersIn our conversation with Senior Middle Leader Mathew D’Aloisio, we explore how understanding self, shapes leadership and influence. With much of his career in leadership roles, Mathew sees this work as a calling centred on creating lightbulb moments for both students and colleagues. He reflects on moving in and out of formal roles, navigating imposter syndrome, and asking the key question: why do people want to follow me? We discuss how teaching and leading identities intertwine, and how relational approaches can extend impact well beyond the classroom.  We also explore the power of intentionality in leadership growth. Mathew shares the deliberate steps he has taken such as shadowing leaders, acting in roles, and engaging in professional learning. He speaks about courage, safe spaces to declare aspirations, and how even rejection can fuel growth and imagination. Through his focus on appreciation and differentiation for both students and teachers, Mathew shows how leadership is about elevating others as much as developing ourselves.  Our discussion also turns to the personal side of leadership, including the need for balance, boundaries, and the practices that sustain him like reading, cooking, and connection. Mathew reflects on being a “bridge” between teaching and leading, and we discuss how trust, intentionality and connectedness create the conditions for leadership that is relational, empowering, and deeply human.  Join us for an inspiring deep dive into the value of understanding self and ways to expand your impact.  Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Experimenting with SuccessIn this inspiring episode, Ramya Deepak Kumar shares her journey from research science to the classroom, bringing her thirst for learning and passion for education into every role. She reflects on the steep learning curve of teaching all subjects in a primary school class, the value of high expectations, and how visible learning empowers students to take ownership of their growth. Ramya demonstrates the importance of making learning engaging and accessible for every child through a range of strategies we discuss in our conversation.Ramya discusses the impact of modelling curiosity, vulnerability, and self-regulation, both for students and colleagues. She emphasises how reflection and metacognitive questioning help students, parents, and teachers build capacity together, extending growth into the home-school partnership. Her leadership journey is rooted in thinking beyond her own classroom, to a wider circle of influence, showing how empowering those around us can lead to greater collective success.Throughout our conversation, Ramya shares valuable practical advice for aspiring leaders: seek out professional learning, be proactive in doubling your learning each year, and never be afraid to experiment with what works for your students. Her message is clear - growth, legacy, and lifelong learning should remain at the centre of our purpose, and equity must underpin our vision for the future of education. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Reflecting on selfOur conversation with Principal Steven Trotter explores his journey of self-reflection, leadership, and adaptability in education. He shares insights from his story of origin, emphasizing how each new role required him to become a different kind of leader and how understanding both self and the needs of others is at the heart of effective leadership. His perspective on building trust, making thoughtful decisions, and embracing the power of pausing, highlighting that even mistakes become opportunities for growth when our intentions are grounded in care for the community and those we serve, are powerful lessons.Steve also walks us through his SKIM model from his popular book, the Art of Skimming Stones. Our chat explores practical strategies that foster responsive and innovative leadership experiences. We also hear about Kelpie Camp, which teaches student leaders about relationship building and the importance of clear communication. We discuss the human element of leadership, including the challenges posed by unpredictability, embedding values and beliefs, and the importance of reducing cognitive load for teachers to help them thrive.This episode offers actionable steps and deeply human insights for all educational leaders. Steve reminds us that leading in complex school environments demands versatility, compassion, and a genuine privilege in serving others, encouraging us to reflect, respond, and choose optimism in our work every day. We left the conversation feeling uplifted and inspired – we know you will too! Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Reframing imposter syndromeThis episode focuses on a topic which has appeared in many of our conversations on the podcast – imposter syndrome. Guest Madhavi Nawana Parker shares with us her profound journey from early loss to purposeful leadership. Madhavi advocates for leaders to develop self-discipline through daily habits that build resilience, including her practice of "doing one hard thing" early each day. This approach helps leaders understand that stress isn't inherently negative; rather, it's through overcoming difficulties that we can evolve and truly build confidence.We then focus on navigating imposter syndrome in educational leadership, with Madhavi distinguishing between imposter thoughts and the debilitating syndrome. She addresses how many leaders struggle to internalise their achievements, often attributing success to luck rather than skill. Our conversation highlights a critical issue facing school leaders: the isolation that comes with competence, as others assume successful leadership looks effortless. Madhavi also addresses modern challenges including social media comparison and the danger of seeing others' best professional moments while being intimately aware of our own internal struggles.The episode concludes with Madhavi's emphasis on wellbeing and self-compassion; highlighting imposter thoughts as a strength that drives deeper reflection and inquiry. She reminds us that "soft skills are hard", advocating for leaders to model mistake-making and vulnerability for students. Her message of compassion, connection, and community is something we all need to hear. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Helping people shineIn this episode of Stepping into [ed]Leadership, we sit down with Middle Leader Cassie Gray, whose journey from teaching overseas to working on the acclaimed stage production of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child to leading Performing Arts at Westbourne Grammar, Melbourne,  offers many lessons in leadership. Cassie shares how her theatre roots shape her approach to middle leadership, highlighting the importance of planning, shared vision, and creating space for others to shine. Her insights into building cohesion and excitement within a team drew clear connections between directing a cast and leading in education, reminding us that when the team looks good, we all look good.Our conversation delves into the craft of teaching and the ongoing process of honing our skills. Cassie speaks about the power of high expectations, student voice, and agency - seeing students as leaders developing their own character. She reflects on the unique sense of community in international schools, the joy and laughter found in everyday school life, and the importance of continually learning something new. Cassie’s perspective on balancing the seasons of school life with wellbeing, gratitude, and visibility is both practical and inspiring.Cassie leaves us with a powerful message about leadership: the most important thing we can do is show up for others, bring the energy, and create a culture of sharing. She reminds us that teaching is a craft deserving of respect, and that letting others shine is at the heart of great leadership. This episode is a celebration of collegiality, student agency, and the ongoing journey of growth. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Building a culture of trustIn this episode of Stepping Into [ed]Leadership, we meet experienced Principal, author and current Managing Director of Vivedus, Dr. Paul Browning. In our conversation, Paul reflects on the essence of educational leadership as the ability to influence and transform people and school culture. He highlights that effective leaders are those who know themselves deeply, align their actions with their values, and are committed to nurturing the next generation of school leaders by encouraging staff to develop their strengths and take on new challenges.A central theme of our discussion is the crucial role of trust and relationship building in creating a positive school environment. Paul shares practical advice for leaders, stressing the need to listen carefully to the school community, respect its history and values, and foster a culture where everyone feels safe and valued. We also unpack the unique pressures leaders face, advocating for self-care, mentorship, and external support to maintain wellbeing and avoid burnout, while always keeping the focus on student learning and staff development.Paul’s insights extend to the importance of ethical decision making, creative thinking, and leveraging new technologies like AI to enhance teaching and learning. We loved chatting to Paul about leadership and left our conversation reminded that leadership is about inspiring hope, building trust, and having a lasting positive impact on the lives of students and staff. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Thriving through growthIn this episode we are joined by Angela Phillips from Westminster School, who brings a wealth of experience as both a teacher and leader. Angela shares how she models continuous professional growth across her networks, while balancing the demands of teaching and leading. She talks about the importance of student voice, the joy she finds in seeing others succeed, and how the HALT process can empower educators and support passion projects.We explore the challenges middle leaders face, from time pressures to navigating tough conversations with colleagues. Angela reflects on the perception of leadership titles, the impact of accreditation processes, and why middle leaders are the “glue” that holds a school together. Throughout our conversation, Angela emphasises the need for compassion and kindness in leadership, and the value of honest feedback, even when it’s hard to hear. She shares how working with students energises her, and why continual growth and supporting others’ success remains her greatest passion in education. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

A moral endeavourIn this episode of Stepping into [ed]Leadership, we are joined by Carolyn Grantskalns, former principal and Chief Executive of AISSA. Carolyn reflects on leadership as good work for a good purpose. She highlights the challenges of middle leadership, where educators often feel caught between being more a teacher than a leader. She shares that leadership can be hard to see in action, but the invisible soft skills—advocacy, shared vision, and relentless yet gentle pressure—are what truly drive improvement.In our chat, we explore the emotional responsibility leaders carry, balancing support for staff with accountability. Carolyn emphasises the power of shared language, a united vision, and strong teams that work across all levels. We discuss that leadership isn’t about having all the answers but about listening, adapting, and making small improvements that build lasting change. She also challenges leaders to reimagine workload, create a culture of trust, and model the joy of leadership.Our conversation covers career transitions, where Carolyn discusses imposter syndrome and the importance of stepping into new roles before feeling fully ready. She stresses the need to remove ego, embrace diverse perspectives, and be the grown-up in tough moments. Good leadership isn’t about status—it’s about being a kind, ethical, and courageous learner.We loved hearing about the different stages of her career, and know this episode will prompt everyone to consider the different ways we can serve our communities and find the joy in educational leadership. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Revealing the machineIn this episode of Stepping into [ed]Leadership, we are joined by Trent Driver, Principal and CEO of Scotch College in South Australia, who shares his journey from classroom teacher to educational leader. Trent reflects on being tapped on the shoulder for early leadership roles and the joy he found in teaching and learning – a passion that continues to ground his work today. We discuss the psychological barriers teachers often face when stepping into leadership and highlight the importance of preparing others for leadership by making the big picture of schools visible.Trent offers rich insights into the shift from managing students to leading adults, the transferable skills between classroom teaching and executive leadership, and the need for leaders to step out of the day-to-day detail to focus on shaping the future. We unpack how influence works within a school community and the lessons he learned through a carefully managed leadership transition. Trent also shares his views on educational debates, the critical role of data in driving improvement, and the need for schools to better understand and measure their impact. His advice for aspiring leaders is candid: embrace discomfort, develop resilience, and find authentic alignment with the schools you serve.Throughout our conversation, Trent’s deep commitment to authenticity, adaptability, and moral leadership shines through. He challenges the idea of work-life balance exploring both the costs and the rewards. Drawing from experiences across diverse educational contexts, Trent offers a compelling vision of leadership that honours tradition while striving for innovation. Whether you're stepping into leadership for the first time or looking to redefine your impact, Trent’s reflections will leave you inspired and ready to tackle the challenges of educational leadership with purpose and courage. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Stepping out to consider the bigger pictureIn this episode of Stepping Into [ed]Leadership, we welcome career strategist and coach Janine Stratford for a great conversation about the ways educators can strategically position themselves as leaders. We discuss the challenges of working in education, including the fast-paced nature of the work and the undervaluing of educators by those outside the field. Janine shares how educators can shift this perception by branding themselves as experts, clearly communicating their insights, and confidently stepping into leadership opportunities. From preparing for interviews to navigating internal applications, we unpack practical strategies to help educators showcase their value.We explore what it means to lead with clarity, confidence, consistency, and consideration - Janine’s 4Cs. We discuss the importance of self-awareness, overcoming imposter syndrome, and developing a coaching mindset rather than simply giving advice. The conversation also highlights the unique role of middle leaders as the largest group of leaders in the school, emphasising their influence in shaping school culture and retaining great staff.We loved how Janine highlighted that stepping into leadership is not about having everything figured out—there has to be growth, challenge, and learning along the way. If a new role doesn’t stretch you, it won’t fulfill you. She encourages educators to embrace the discomfort of growth and step forward with confidence. True leadership isn’t just about caring for people; it’s about growing them. Janine challenges us to balance our focus, looking both down to develop their teams and up to understand the strategic needs of their schools. This episode is a call to action for educators to recognize their impact, step into leadership with purpose, and contribute meaningfully to the future of education. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Building a communityIn this episode, we sit down with Nicholas Brice to explore his journey of leadership in education. From stepping up as Acting Principal to navigating the complexities of collaborative and directive leadership, Nick shares insights on career growth, professional identity, and building a strong learning community.We discuss the power of networking—why it’s not a “dirty word”—and how seeking mentors can open doors to new opportunities. Nick challenges us to step beyond our comfort zones, embrace deep, authentic learning, and focus on engagement over compliance to create lifelong learners.Given his role as Deputy Chief Executive at the SACE Board, we also take a broader look at education, shifting our perspective from assessment-driven outcomes to meaningful learning experiences. Nick unpacks the importance of wellbeing and connection, both for students and ourselves, reminding us that how we show up in our work shapes the way we show up at home.Finally, we tackle analysis paralysis and the climb to the higher levels of the “balcony” in leadership. Whether you’re an aspiring leader or already on the journey, this episode offers practical wisdom on becoming the best professional—not just the best teacher. Join us for an inspiring conversation about growth, challenge, and leadership in education! Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

The quality of our conversationsIn this episode, we are delighted to share the irrepressible Tracey Ezard with you. Tracey dives into concepts that are essential for creating dynamic and effective teams, sharing core ideas from her fabulous books, The Buzz and Ferocious Warmth to show us how to balance head and heart in leadership to create compelling environments of possibility.We discuss building professional intimacy in our teams, fostering trust and strong relationships among team members. Tracey also unpacks the concept of intellectual friction and how it contributes to antifragile cultures.A wealth of knowledge on building leadership capacity, Tracey encourages us to view leadership as our second profession; highlighting the need for leaders to know their impact and what they stand for.We know you will gain so much from our conversation around working with your teams, building strong learning cultures and self-leadership. Tracey’s energy and enthusiasm for this work will fuel you to level up your leadership game and embrace opportunities to build collective efficacy with heart for the humans in your community. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Amplifying the human voiceJoin us for our latest episode where we chat to Adrian Cotterell. Adrian is an experienced leader who has recently shifted to consultancy, specialising in assessment and AI in education. He shares the ways he is supporting schools and educators with their response to the challenges and opportunities of generative AI.Adrian unpacks his innovative traffic light system; a method designed to help educators create AI resilient assessment tasks. We discuss the vital role of purpose in assessment, and ways to ensure that we continue amplify the human voice in student work. Adrian highlights the benefits of adopting a problem-solving approach to create opportunities for career development, and the importance of considering the big picture in our schools.We know you will find his insights fascinating, and leave the conversation inspired to explore the possibilities offered by AI and consider ways we can support colleagues and students to navigate this new age. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Success is achieved in the middleOur guest this episode is Deputy Principal Peter Westhead. Wezz shares his journey from the UK to Adelaide, Melbourne and now to Queensland, where he is in his second year as Deputy Principal at Springfield Anglican College.We discuss the ways we can impact the cultures at our schools and the ways they will in turn undoubtedly impact us. As a previous Director of People Strategy (no comma!) and Culture, Wezz shares that working with people in schools - students and adults – has more in common than we might think and unpacks the elements of strong staff inductionWe explore the misnomer of feeling the need to choose pastoral or academic pathways in our careers and the reframing of middle leadership from being viewed as purely managerial. He highlights the importance of bringing out leadership in others and potential obstacles for aspiring leaders. He also shares some fantastic tips about interviewing for roles.Wezz is an outstanding educator and leader whose passion for working is schools is evident in all he does. We know you will love our discussion with him and come away inspired to consider your educational path in 2025. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Permission to be humanTo kick off 2025 and our second season, we are delighted to be joined by wellbeing specialist Meg Durham. Meg shares brilliant strategies to start the new academic year with a mindset of being strategic and not surprised at the many things heading our way. She reminds us to recharge our personal batteries and shares that wellbeing is a verb which requires action and daily practice. She has wonderful advice for leaders and the impact we can have on the wellbeing of our students and colleagues. Crowded House’s anthem “Weather With You” will echo in your ears as we consider the work we need to do on ourselves to create positive working environments where everyone can thrive.Get ready to take lots of notes and plan with intention, as Meg enthuses us to all to be kind to ourselves and others. Let’s start 2025 by getting honest about what we can do to look after ourselves, to be our best for everyone and remember that we are all allowed to be human.To hear more gold from Meg – subscribe to her wonderful podcast The School of Wellbeing – it’s one of our favourites! Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Rachel and Toni share reflections and insights from our guests from season 1. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Making a contributionOur final guest for season 1 is the wonderful Heather de Blasio. Heather is currently the Director of Leadership and Human Potential at Wilderness School in South Australia. She is also a published author and runs her own business through Resilient Leaders Elements. Heather is passionate about leading others to do what they didn’t believe they could do and has an insatiable appetite for personal and collective growth.Heather shares her experiences around leading systemic change and the importance of understanding other people’s perspectives. We loved her analogy of middle leadership as the engine room of the school, and that leading from the middle is a complex skill which needs to be intentionally nurtured.Heather’s provocations around legacy and what we want our professional contribution to be are sure to inspire all leaders to set aside time for reflection as we conclude another academic year. Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts

Saying yes to opportunitiesThis conversation introduces one of our fantastic colleagues at Woodcroft College, Middle Leader Mark Cussadia. Mark shares his positive approach to taking up opportunities and pushing himself out of his comfort zone. He describes his early experiences in leadership and the benefits he gained from teaching overseas.Mark has a passion for building high functioning teams and creating strong relationships with students and staff. He has acted up in senior leadership roles and shares with us what he brought back from this experience to his middle leadership role.Mark also shares the juggle of teaching, leading and having a busy young family. We know you will enjoy hearing about Mark’s leadership journey and see why we love working with him!  Credits:Podcast theme music composed by Julian FerrarettoLogo Design by Meredith BakerPhotography by Carmen Roberts