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The Principals (Aotearoa | New Zealand)
The Principals (Aotearoa | New Zealand)
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Experienced school leaders and officials share stories and offer tips about leading schools in Aotearoa New Zealand. This series sits alongside the online learning programme: Te Ara Tīmatanga mō ngā Tumuaki | The Beginning Pathway for Principals, which can be accessed on the Education LMS https://training.education.govt.nz.
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In this episode, we explore how rural schools are transforming their unique challenges into remarkable opportunities for innovation. Our guests talk about structuring learning across multiple year levels, the advantages of knowing every student deeply, and how rural communities become active partners in education. We discuss flexible learning progressions, student agency, and the creative ways small schools capitalise on their local environments - from native gullies and river trails to AgriKids programmes and community expertise.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Our guests are:
Lisa Bates, principal at Upper Atiamuri School in South Waikato
Greg Allan, tumuaki of South Makiriri School in Rangitikei
Jane Cochran, vice-president of NZRASLA and tumuaki of Brunswick School near Whanganui
Additional information
RASLA - New Zealand Rural and Primary and Area School Leadership Association https://www.nzrasla.ac.nz
In the second part of this kōrero, Russell Bishop explains why pedagogy must lead structural change, how meaningful feedback transforms teaching practice, and the importance of implementing proven approaches with fidelity. He reflects on cutting through the constant noise of educational reform, his vision of of seeing all learners—Māori and Pākehā alike—thriving with confidence and competence, and the deep satisfaction of seeing his research make a real difference in schools.
Hosted by Mārama Stewart.
Professor Russell Bishop explores how whakawhanaungatanga transforms classrooms and schools. He challenges deficit thinking, explains the North-East teaching framework, and argues that relationships aren't just about being nice—they're the foundation for high expectations and accountability. Russell discusses how effective principals support teachers the same way teachers should support students: with care, rigour, and unwavering belief in potential.
Hosted by Mārama Stewart.
In the second part of this conversation about learning leaders, we explore how our guests principals put their research into practice, with three powerful examples of research-informed change - from student-led conferences to building professional learning communities - plus practical advice for time-poor principals on developing a research mindset.
Hosted by Eleisha.
Our guests are:
Cherie Taylor-Patel, principal at Flanshaw Road School in West Auckland
Robin Fabish, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Tamatea High School in Napier
Isaac Day, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Enner Glynn Primary School in Nelson
In a world where education trends come and go at lightning speed, how do exceptional school leaders separate the game-changers from the gimmicks? This episode explores why the most effective principals aren't just consumers of education – they're critical thinkers who build their leadership practice on solid evidence rather than wishful thinking. Over the next two episodes, we'll discover how developing a professional reading habit and research mindset helps you ask the right questions, spot patterns others miss, and lead change that actually sticks. From navigating conflicting research to translating insights into practical school improvements, learn why thinking like a researcher – whether you're pursuing a doctorate or simply committed to lifelong learning – might be the most powerful tool in your leadership toolkit.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Our guests are:
Cherie Taylor-Patel, principal at Flanshaw Road School in West Auckland
Robin Fabish, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Tamatea High School in Napier
Isaac Day, leadership advisor and former tumuaki of Enner Glynn Primary School in Nelson.
In this episode, we explore the transformative work of the Māori Achievement Collaborative (MAC) with Hoana Pearson, Te Pitau Mātautanga, the national coordinator for MAC. Hoana shares her journey from believing she couldn't learn to becoming a principal determined to ensure every child knows they can succeed. We discuss the power of authenticity in leadership, and how MAC works to change hearts and minds through courageous conversations about educational equity and cultural responsiveness.
Hosted by Mārama Stewart.
As the summer break approaches, this episode explores essential self-care strategies for principals. The conversation covers creating boundaries during holidays, maintaining wellbeing throughout the year, and practical approaches including setting firm finish dates, prioritising activities outside education, and the importance of being fully present. Our guests discuss reframing rest as essential leadership practice rather than optional luxury.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill
Our guests are:
Roger Phillipson, psychologist at the Ministry of Education
Heidi Haywood, principal of Dunedin North Intermediate
Michael Fletcher, principal of Chaucer School.
Every year, principals face the same challenge: with limited time and budgets, how do you choose professional learning opportunities that will genuinely improve teaching and student outcomes? This episode combines insights from ERO's research on PLD effectiveness with practical, real-world strategies for making smarter professional development decisions. While ERO found that most school leaders were strategic in their choices, many struggled to evaluate whether their PLD actually shifted teaching practices or improved student outcomes. Our guests will share their approaches for identifying genuine learning needs, vetting PLD providers, and ensuring professional development translates into classroom improvements. From asking the right questions before committing to a programme to building systems that sustain learning beyond the workshop, discover how to move beyond professional development that looks good on paper to PLD that creates lasting change for both you and your staff.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill
Our guests are:
Alistair Sinton, tumuaki of Mount Maunganui College
Jen Rodgers, principal of St Clair Primary School and on the NZPF executive
Elena Moretti, director of engagement and impact at the National Research Centre
Additional information
Principal Development Map (MOE) with PLD recommendations https://workforce.education.govt.nz/principals-and-schools/professional-development-and-support-principals/principal-development-map
In part two of this conversation, our rural principals share honest insights about managing release time with ever-changing priorities, bringing professional learning opportunities to isolated communities, and supporting staff wellbeing when burnout creeps in. This episode offers practical wisdom for staying grounded and connected in the demanding role of rural school leadership.
Our guests are:
Ally Gibbs, principal of Mulberry Grove School, Great Barrier Island
Kylie Piper, tumuaki of Arapohue School in Northland
Greg Allen, tumuaki of South Makirikiri School in Rangitīkei.
Additional information
New Zealand Rural Schools Leadership Association (RASLA) https://www.nzrasla.ac.nz
Leading a rural school comes with unique rewards and challenges. Mārama Stewart speaks with three passionate rural principals about what drew them to rural education and how they navigate life in close-knit communities. Our guests share how they look after their hauora, maintain professional boundaries, and stay connected through networks like RASLA. From bleeding generators to managing septic systems, they remind us that rural principalship extends far beyond leading teaching and learning.
This is part one of a two-part conversation exploring rural school leadership in Aotearoa New Zealand.
Our guests are:
Ally Gibbs, principal of Mulberry Grove School, Great Barrier Island
Kylie Piper, tumuaki of Arapohue School in Northland
Greg Allen, tumuaki of South Makirikiri School in Rangitīkei.
Additional information
New Zealand Rural Schools Leadership Association (RASLA) https://www.nzrasla.ac.nz
In this episode, we explore how principals can effectively support teachers through the professional growth cycle – moving beyond the old appraisal system to create meaningful, growth-focused practice. Our guests share practical strategies for using data effectively, fostering professional curiosity, and creating systems that support teachers before challenges become competency concerns.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Our guests are:
Rose-Anne London from the Teaching Council
Stephanie Thompson, principal of Beachhaven School in Auckland
Isaac Day, former tumuaki and leadership advisor in Nelson/Tasman
Additional information
Teaching Council https://teachingcouncil.nz/professional-practice/professional-growth-cycle/
In this episode, we explore the leadership challenges and opportunities that come with implementing curriculum and pedagogical changes in schools. Our guests share their approaches to leading educational transformation, from building staff knowledge and confidence to creating sustainable change that improves student outcomes.
Hosted by Mārama Stewart.
Our guests are:
Arihia Stirling, tumuaki of Te Kura Māori o Ngā Tapuwae
Catherine Law, principal of Avonside Girls’ High School
Lorraine Taylor, principal of Silverstream School.
In this episode, we discover how this free, confidential service helps school leaders navigate challenges from board conflicts to strategic planning, and why reaching out for support - even when you don't need anything - can transform your leadership journey.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Our guests are:
Former Leadership Advisor Phil Toomer, principal of Meadowbank School in Auckland
Former Leadership Advisor Jackie Barron, principal of St Hilda’s Collegiate School in Dunedin
Leadership Advisor Melissa Anderton
Leadership Advisor Amy Hacker.
Additional information
Ministry of Education Leadership Advisors - https://workforce.education.govt.nz/principals-and-schools/professional-development-and-support-principals/leadership-advisors
In this episode, we get into the planning and preparation required to successfully launch a new school year. As the end of the summer holidays nears, principals across Aotearoa will be orchestrating one of the most critical periods in the school calendar - ensuring everything is ready for students and staff to return to a well-prepared and welcoming learning environment.
Our guests share practical insights into the multi-layered preparation process, from managing staff recruitment and timetabling through to facility maintenance, technology readiness, and establishing the right culture and tone for the year ahead.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Today’s guests are:
Jason Miles, tumuaki of Kaiapoi North School and Vice President of NZPF
Rohan Pearse, tumuaki of Frimley School
Dawn Akroyd, principal of Napier Girls’ High School.
This podcast was produced for the Ministry of Education.
You can learn more by accessing the e-learning modules for principals on the Education LMS: https://training.education.govt.nz
Ever thought about swapping city school leadership for rural life?
From misconceptions, like assuming rural schools would be "easier", to learning unexpected skills like animal husbandry and septic tank management, our guests talk about the unique rewards of leading schools where community connections run generations deep.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Today’s guests are:
Andrew King, principal of Oropi School and president of the NZ Rural Schools Leadership Association
Alistair Schaw, principal at Aokautere School near Palmerston North
Kylie Piper, tumuaki of Arapohue School in Northland
This podcast was produced for the Ministry of Education.
You can learn more by accessing the e-learning modules for principals on the Education LMS: https://training.education.govt.nz
Additional information:
New Zealand Rural Schools Leadership Association https://www.nzrasla.ac.nz
In this episode, we continue discussing the Professional Growth Cycle for principals, diving deeper into practical implementation, with real examples of how PGC work has helped our guests navigate leadership challenges. We also talk about common pitfalls principals encounter, and offer advice for people struggling to get started.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Our guests are:
Rose-Anne London from the Teaching Council
Ben Hutchings, tumuaki of Mountain View School in Mangere, Auckland
John Channer, principal at Fraser Crescent School in Upper Hutt, Wellington.
This podcast was produced for the Ministry of Education.
You can learn more by accessing the e-learning modules for principals on the Education LMS: https://training.education.govt.nz
In this episode, we discuss the Professional Growth Cycle for principals. We’ll talk about how the approach to principal development has evolved from the old ‘banana boxes of evidence’ system to a trust-based model that prioritises meaningful professional learning and honest feedback, and our guests share practical insights on setting impactful goals, building accountability into peer networks, and creating spaces for both professional challenge and emotional support.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Our guests are:
Rose-Anne London from the Teaching Council
Ben Hutchings, tumuaki of Mountain View School in Mangere, Auckland
John Channer, principal at Fraser Crescent School in Upper Hutt, Wellington.
This podcast was produced for the Ministry of Education.
You can learn more by accessing the e-learning modules for principals on the Education LMS: https://training.education.govt.nz
Additional information
Teaching Council of Aotearoa New Zealand https://teachingcouncil.nz/
In this episode, we explore how educational leaders can move beyond tick-box compliance to genuinely embed Te Tiriti o Waitangi principles into their school culture. Our guests share their personal journeys, practical strategies, and honest reflections on what it truly means to create bicultural learning environments where all students thrive. Hosted by Mārama Stewart.
Today’s guests are:
Billie-Jean Pōtaka Ayton, tumuaki of Kaiti School in Gisborne
Mel Jewiss, former tumuaki and now Maori Achievement Collaborative (MAC) facilitator
Robyn Isaacson, principal of Flaxmere Primary School
This podcast was produced for the Ministry of Education.
You can learn more by accessing the e-learning modules for principals on the Education LMS: https://training.education.govt.nz
What are the first 100 days in the principal role really like? From navigating unexpected challenges and building relationships with staff, students, and whānau, to establishing their leadership vision while managing the day-to-day complexities of school operations, our guests share candid insights about what it really takes to transition into principalship. Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
Today’s guests are:
Lori Mravicich, tumuaki of Waiau Pā School
Tony Baird, principal of Karamea Area School
Richard Washington, principal of Nelson College
This podcast was produced for the Ministry of Education.
You can learn more by accessing the e-learning modules for principals on the Education LMS: https://training.education.govt.nz
We continue to talk about attendance in this episode, exploring proven strategies for boosting student attendance through meaningful partnerships. Hear how building strong relationships and addressing root causes—rather than just symptoms—can create lasting change in attendance patterns and student outcomes.
A note that attendance services mentioned in this episode were correct at the time of recording.
Hosted by Eleisha McNeill.
My guests are:
Mandy Dodds, tumuaki of Kumara School on the West Coast
Chris Bean, principal of Tangaroa College in Otara, Auckland
James Christie, tumuaki of Mauku School in the Franklin district
This podcast was produced for the Ministry of Education.
You can learn more by accessing the e-learning modules for principals on the Education LMS: https://training.education.govt.nz



