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Discover the Saga:
Delve into the gripping, multifaceted story of the Boeing 737 MAX 8 tragedies—Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. This must-listen podcast reveals the critical decisions, engineering failures, organizational missteps, and disastrous events that shook the world.
What You'll Learn:
• The high-stakes business pressures and corporate decisions behind the 737 MAX.
• The design flaws and certification failures of the MCAS system—critical factors in the crashes.
• A detailed breakdown of the two fatal crashes and the chaotic months between them.
• The global investigations, public responses, and their lasting impact on aviation safety.
Why Listen?
If you're fascinated by aeronautical engineering, air disasters, or the complexities of organizational failure, this series offers a detailed and eye-opening look at one of aviation’s biggest scandals.
Learn more at www.BradIvie.com.
12 Episodes
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A three-minute introduction to this podcast series on the Boeing 737 MAX 8 disasters in 2018 and 2019.
Learn about the scope of this story (from design and development to the two crashes to the ongoing conflicts over cause and responsibility) and why my telling of this story can change the way you think about complex organizational failure and the risk problems in big business today.
The 12-episode audio podcast premieres on Tuesday, July 30, 2024, with episodes debuting each Tuesday.
In this first episode, I lay the foundation of this podcast series with a concise summary of the remarkable Boeing 737 MAX 8 story.
I'll address the two crashes in 2018 (Lion Air Flight 610) and 2019 (Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302), the discovery of MCAS as the technical trigger of the flight emergencies, the investigations and public reactions, and the key outcomes.
I'll then lay out the most striking questions that emerge -- many still unanswered.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
In this second episode, I define the term “maximum clustershambles” and explain the concept of the “Framework of Failure." I will also introduce five major themes that run throughout the story and lay out how the series is organized.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
In this episode, we explore the fascinating historical and economic backdrops of commercial transportation, the Boeing Company, and the evolving landscape of commercial aviation. We will examine how these elements influenced decisions that ultimately led to the creation of the Boeing 737 MAX 8, including the program's key priorities and design philosophy.
This episode addresses two of the four forces that have shaped aircraft design and manufacturing: the airline marketplace and aeronautical technology.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
I conclude our examination of key forces that have shaped aircraft design and manufacturing – and subsequently, the MAX 8 – by addressing major trends in manufacturing operations and the regulatory environment.
Then, we turn to the MAX's origin story and the context it set for design. The competitive threat posed by the Airbus A320neo created dilemmas for Boeing that constrained its options. Emerging from this were three critical program business imperatives that profoundly shaped how program leadership thought and acted, setting the stage for risky decision-making.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
Here, we examine the design of MCAS in detail. This gets technical, as it needs to be if you want to understand precisely how a dangerous system came to be. The details of the story reveal many questionable decisions made during six years of routine engineering work.
Yes, Boeing took the easiest route to solve an apparently modest flight control problem. However, the story doesn’t demonstrate an overt intent to deploy an unsafe system, nor does it disclose any violation of regulations. Rather, we see a narrow following of the rules without sufficiently questioning the end result.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
This is a pivotal moment in the story. A system (with a modest risk rating) already in place to address a very rare flight maneuver was then applied and modified to a new and more common situation without much debate about the implications of this change.
There was a striking lack of imagination about how this new design could go wrong. How could this have happened?
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
The tragic crash of Lion Air Flight 610 marked the beginning of a dark chapter for the Boeing 737 MAX 8, exposing critical design flaws and systemic failures. This was not an isolated event—warnings had surfaced in a prior flight emergency and in other issues on earlier flights. Yet these red flags were ignored.
This episode examines the days leading up to the crash, the immediate fallout, and how the aviation industry’s failure to address the flawed MCAS system set the stage for a second tragedy.
Instead of confronting the dangers, Boeing and regulators obscured the risks, withheld vital information from pilots and airlines, and promoted procedural changes by pilots while working in the background to modify MCAS’s fatal design.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
This episode uncovers the astonishing story behind the crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, the second Boeing 737 MAX 8 disaster in just four and a half months. Despite clear warnings and data showing another crash was possible, industry leaders never even considered grounding the aircraft until a fix to the flawed MCAS system could be made.
What’s even more incredible? The crew, fully aware of MCAS, still lost control. But here’s the twist: the chaos in the cockpit unfolded in two gripping phases—and MCAS didn’t even come into play until the second. Pilot errors and a flawed MCAS system fused together to create this aviation disaster.
Get ready to dive deep into the hidden details, hard truths, and stunning missteps that changed aviation safety forever.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
What typically happens after major accidents and disasters?
The answer is a clustershambles of its own making – a mess of competing interpretations and acrimonious conflict. The MAX 8 saga is an excellent example of this.
This episode covers the full range of investigations and events following the two tragic crashes, presenting them in nine related buckets. See the big picture before we explore a few fascinating stories.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
This episode delves into a series of fascinating stories emerging from the Response to the 737 MAX 8 crashes, vividly illustrating the ongoing and contentious debate surrounding cause and blame.
We see how differing perspectives and accurate information mixed with incorrect or dubious information influence perceptions, conclusions, actions, and outcomes. This helps us appreciate how Response unfolds imperfectly.
Access detailed show notes at: www.bradivie.com/podcast.
In this pivotal episode of our series, we combine the critical lessons uncovered throughout episodes 1 - 10, offering conclusions on the complexities of aviation failure and organizational breakdown.
What You’ll Discover:
- A comprehensive recap of the Boeing 737 MAX 8 saga, analyzed through the four phases of the Framework of Failure—showcasing how technology evolution, Boeing’s cultural shifts and program decisions, engineering flaws, regulatory gaps, and systemic failures culminated in catastrophe.
- Thought-provoking reflections on causality, accountability, and prevention, exploring what went wrong, who holds responsibility, and how the aviation industry can avoid similar tragedies in the future.
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