Experiential Anatomy

Listen in to hear Joan and Jamie’s kids express their ideas of death, while Joan examines truth-telling and Jamie discusses a new identity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The death of season two is upon us! But in keeping with the theme of death-rebirth-life, our hosts announce that Season 3 is happening! Join us today for a peek into what's emerging next and a final discussion on death and the afterlife. Jamie and Joan share their former religious beliefs and the impact those ideas had on their bodies. And they each share what heaven has come to mean to them in the here and now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Joan and Jamie share about dreams, grief, empathy, and the importance of living through all of life’s highs and lows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re joined today by Dr. Hillary McBride for a conversation about grief and its effect on our bodies. Joan and Jamie share a similar journey of leaving religion as Hillary, so the three discuss the grief over losing one’s identity in God. Hillary explains how important and routine it is for humans to change and reshape our ideas of reality, and it is in these repeated moments that we build our resilience and confidence to withstand the grief that accompanies us throughout all of life. To find out more about Hillary and her newest book, Holy Hurt, visit her website and follow her on Instagram @hillaryliannamcbride. For additional reading, check out the book Hillary mentions by Tanya Luhrmann, How God Becomes Real, on Tanya’s website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as our hosts share similar stories of building resilience within their bodies and how cycles of death and rebirth connect to exercise and healthcare. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, our hosts dive deeper into the world of healthcare as they discuss how death is viewed, experienced, and processed within the modern-day system. Joan offers insights on how physicians handle conversations about death with their patients and families, and the inherently flawed structure that prevents all bodies involved from thriving. Our hosts describe a vision for the future that they hope will replace the current, unsustainable framework. And we get a sneak peek at Jamie’s coaching, as she facilitates an on-the-spot session with Joan during their Body Check-Ins. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in to the sounds of freezing, crunching rain as Joan reflects on the dying systems in healthcare and the new limits her body has set, while Jamie shares her new motivation to run and the importance of trusting our bodies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today’s episode, Joan and Jamie discuss the death of modernity and its large-scale systems. From mass co-dependence to the need to control others, they discuss the various structures of society that are slowly dying. On the practical level, they recount stories from personal experience of the various changes they see happening within the modern healthcare system. And they circle back to their Season 1 theme that will inspire us toward an embodied future. Be sure to check out the book they referenced, “Hospicing Modernity” by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie and Joan share vulnerable moments from each of their families’ recent losses. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we have our first guest, Caroline Lee, who joins Jamie and Joan to discuss death doulas. Caroline offers a brief overview of her Bay Area practice and how she got started in this unique line of work. Similar to giving birth, Caroline describes the routine steps that precede death and her role as a doula in making those transitions as smooth as possible for her patients and their families. She also shares the ethereal aspects that oftentimes accompany someone’s passing. And Jamie asks Joan and Caroline to recount how their bodies feel when they care for a dying body. For such a weighty subject, their answers may be a bit surprising! You can find out more about Caroline by emailing or following her on social media: @howcarolinecarolines, @death.ed_, TikTok, and carolineisdying@gmail.com. Be sure to check out the hospice booklet by Barbara Karnes and the documentary, “The Last Ecstatic Days,” about Ethan Sisser. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in these voice memos to hear a sweet conversation between Joan and her child, along with several of Jamie’s recent experiences around death. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re back! Join our hosts, Jamie and Joan, as we dive into Season 2’s overarching theme of death. These two bring their easy laughter and levity to a heavy subject as they share their vision for this season. Discussing why death matters, they touch on the inextricable link between death and rebirth, and the unavoidable pain that accompanies us all on this journey of life. We’ll get a sneak peek at future guests and hear a bit about what our hosts have been up to in the off-season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie shares her feelings on wrapping up Season 1 and Joan describes her much-anticipated concert experience! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our season wraps today with our hosts talking about their understanding of death and how it affects our relationships with both our loved ones and our bodies. Joan and Jamie’s perspectives complement each other in unexpected ways as they both share how they have processed the concept of death and dying. Despite the weighty topic, the ladies bring their usual levity and brightness and tease us with what’s in store next! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie shares the joy of feeling settled in while Joan’s family takes on Florida! Be sure to check out Jamie’s workshop, Log Off & Tune In, on SATURDAY, DECEMBER 14th at 2 PM CST. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today our hosts explore the principle of our bodies being committed to wholeness and vitality and the powerful impact this belief can have on everything–from each individual to our collective structural systems. Joan shares about her lifelong anxiety and how a shift towards this perspective changed how she experienced anxiousness, both in and out of patient rooms. And Jamie dives deeper into what it means to live a life that feels good and how it’s each of our birthrights to do so. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in, to hear Joan’s voice memo about a new bodily experience this week and Jamie’s appreciation for Joan’s embodiment progress. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Twin coughs can’t hold our hosts back as they express gratitude for their respiratory symptoms and dive into the topic of bodies being truth-tellers. They explore the idea that our bodies can’t lie, but sometimes the data they signal can be outdated. Jamie explains how diagnoses can be either helpful doorways or unhelpful destinations. And Joan shares a few stories about how this principle has made practicing medicine more enjoyable. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Joan and Jamie share voice memos from this past week about feeling life coursing through their bodies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did you know your body is alive? Today, Joan and Jamie explore the idea that our bodies are not inanimate objects that can be fully understood and controlled but, rather, our partners in this life requiring a communicative relationship. They discuss how transformative this concept was for their careers and share stories of how they now relate better to the bodies in their care. Listen in to better understand what it means to be a living body.  If you’d like to connect with us, we invite you to join us on Substack! https://exanatomy.substack.com/ is the home for the Experiential Anatomy podcast. Find us on Instagram @jamieleefinch and @joanchanmd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices