Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

This week, Connor and Chase are holding things down on their own as they explore Genesis 42–50 and the remarkable story of Joseph in Egypt. What begins as a familiar Old Testament narrative quickly opens up into something richer — a life full of deliberate, Christlike parallels. Joseph is rejected by his own brothers, sold for silver, imprisoned unjustly, and ultimately lifted to a position of life‑saving authority. The guys break down why these connections to the Savior aren’t accidental and what they reveal about God’s pattern of working through hardship. They also dive deep into the theme of divine timing. Drawing from Chase’s current battle with injury leading up to the NFL Draft, the conversation turns personal as they talk about how adversity often feels random — and why it might actually be preparation.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful episode featuring three special guests: former sister missionaries Izabele Christensen and Ivy Stout, and convert James Calderon, whom they taught in the Washington, D.C. South Mission. In this deeply personal episode, James shares his remarkable journey from a difficult separation and divorce to finding truth through the restored gospel. What started as a chance encounter on a George Mason University street corner became a life-changing experience that illustrates key principles from the story of Joseph in Genesis 37-41. James vulnerably discusses his initial hesitation toward baptism, his ongoing battles with old habits, and how temple covenants became "a way to look forward in life." Izzy and Ivy share their perspective on watching God work in someone's life, emphasizing that you don't need to be perfect before making covenants - you need covenants to become perfect. This episode also powerfully demonstrates that "time and again, good fortune seemed to abandon Joseph, but the Lord never did" - a principle that applies to all our lives as we strive to keep our covenants with God.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts really needed to take a break. Connor recently got married and was on his honeymoon, while Chase Roberts has been participating in the NFL Draft Combine. They'll be back next week for a brand new episode of Two Point Conversion.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts chat with Shan Arumugam, whose remarkable story of faith and transformation will inspire anyone facing adversity. From growing up in India's "untouchable" caste system to finding hope in the gospel of Jesus Christ, Shan shares his incredible journey—from contemplating suicide as a university student to discovering missionaries who changed his life forever. His story includes serving a mission without knowing English or Hindi, earning a scholarship to BYU Hawaii with just a few dollars in his pocket, and eventually being sealed in the temple. The conversation weaves Shan's personal testimony with insights from Genesis 18-23, exploring themes of covenant keeping, divine promises, and the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac. The hosts discuss how Abraham and Sarah's decades-long wait for their promised son mirrors our own faith journeys, and how every religion points back to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful, faith-filled conversation with former Utah Utes center Jaren Kump. In this episode, Jaren opens up about his unexpected journey—from being committed to BYU to ultimately choosing the University of Utah—and how personal revelation guided him through that difficult, soul-searching decision. Together, they dive into Genesis 12–17 and Abraham 1–2, exploring the depth and beauty of the Abrahamic Covenant and what it means to live as covenant-keeping disciples today. Jaren shares how staying true to his covenants shaped his choices both on and off the field, even when those choices weren’t easy or popular. Other Episode Highlights: - The often-overlooked temple symbolism woven throughout the Book of Abraham - The sacred responsibility—and blessings—that come with making covenants - What it looks like to be a missionary wherever you stand, even when it means representing your faith on a rival team

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts, along with special guest Andrew Gentry, as they dive deep into Moses chapter 7 and explore what it means to build Zion in our modern world. In this episode, the trio discuss Enoch's powerful vision of human history, God's emotional connection to His children, and the profound doctrine of agency. They explore how the Lord weeps for us, why He gave us the ability to choose, and what it takes to become a people "of one heart and one mind."

Join hosts Connor Pay and special guest co-host Trevor Pay as they sit down with former BYU punter and current Cincinnati Bengals player Ryan Rehkow. In this episode, the crew dives deep into Moses Chapter 6 and the story of the prophet Enoch—a man who felt completely unqualified for his calling. Sound familiar? Ryan shares his wild journey from an undrafted free agent workout to becoming an NFL punter, including moments of crippling self-doubt during his second season. Connor opens up about transitioning from NFL dreams to coaching and nonprofit work, while Trevor reflects on returning from his mission completely out of shape and questioning if he belonged. The trio also discusses how to move forward when you feel inadequate, what it means to "walk with God" in everyday life, and finding confidence not in ourselves, but in our divine identity.

Former BYU football players Connor Pay and Chase Roberts return for a new season of Two Point Conversion, this year exploring the Old Testament. In this episode, the duo reconnects after a few weeks away, catching up on major life changes: Chase is now training in California for the NFL Combine (complete with his new post-BYU beard), while Connor continues coaching at BYU. Despite being remote, they dive deep into Genesis 3-4 and Moses 4-5, discussing the Fall of Adam and Eve and what it teaches us about divine identity, opposition, and growth.

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Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome Sheri Dew, author and executive VP of Deseret Management Corporation. In this heartfelt conversation, Sheri shares her journey from a Kansas farm to leading major media organizations and writing biographies of prophets. The discussion dives deep into faith, resilience, and the lessons learned from both football and spiritual leadership. The trio reflects on the power of tradition, the meaning of Christmas, and the enduring hope found in Jesus Christ.

In this episode of Two Point Conversion, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by a very special guest—Connor’s grandmother, Gail Pay—for a deep and personal discussion about family, faith, and the importance of the Family Proclamation. Gail shares her life story, family history, and the powerful experiences that have shaped her testimony. Together, the trio explores the significance of family, children, the eternal nature of relationships, and the challenges and blessings that come with living gospel principles in today’s world.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Terrance Motley, BYU’s Director of Rehabilitation. The trio kicks things off with a look behind the scenes of BYU football, discussing preparation for the conference championship. Terrance shares his journey from Albuquerque to BYU, his experiences as a walk-on athlete, and his transition from strength coach to physical therapist. The discussion then dives deep into faith and doctrine, exploring the Articles of Faith, the history and context of polygamy, and the significance of Official Declarations 1 and 2 in Latter-day Saint history. Terrance offers a personal perspective on the priesthood ban and its reversal, emphasizing the importance of core beliefs, living prophets, and the power of the Atonement.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts as they welcome back BYU Religion Professor Mark Ogletree. Together, they dive deep into the Doctrine and Covenants, exploring Sections 137 and 138, and discuss the powerful doctrines of salvation, revelation, and God’s mercy. The conversation weaves football insights and heartfelt testimonies into a discussion on visions of those who have died. The trio elaborates on their own spiritual journeys and the comfort these revelations bring to families.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Logan Lutui, BYU defensive end, to share his inspiring journey from Weber State to BYU. The trio reflects on the team’s recent victory over TCU, the importance of resilience, and the power of positive leadership from Coach Kalani Sitake. Logan opens up about balancing family, faith, and football, and how unexpected turns led him to a pivotal role on the team. The conversation also dives deep into spiritual themes, including a heartfelt discussion of Doctrine and Covenants Section 135, the legacy of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, and the enduring impact of faith during times of adversity.

In this episode of Two Point Conversion, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts go solo, delving into lessons learned from a tough loss, the importance of focusing on standards over outcomes, and how preparation impacts both football and life. They reflect on spiritual insights from Doctrine & Covenants sections 133 and 134, discussing themes of preparation, repentance, building Zion, and balancing faith with civic responsibility. Plus, they get some honest answers from ChatGPT on how they embody the principles in section 133.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts, along with their guest Steven Lund, the recently released Young Men's General President. Steven shares his journey from law to business, his experiences in church leadership, and the lessons learned along the way. The conversation delves into spiritual insights, including the importance of diligence and sacrifice (on and off the field), and taking prayer seriously. Tune in for a blend of sports, faith, and real-life lessons—plus a few fun football analogies you won’t want to miss!

In this episode, hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome special guest Charlie Miska, BYU running back, to the show. Charlie shares his inspiring journey from Northern Virginia to BYU, including the challenges of walking on to the team, his memorable first touchdown, and the importance of hard work, faith, and preparation. The hosts and Charlie also reflect on recent games and lessons from the Doctrine and Covenants, including doubling down on Christlike virtues and keeping faithful records.

Faith Kisakye, a BYU Pathway student from Uganda, joins host Connor Pay for an amazing episode of the podcast. aith shares her inspiring journey as the first BYU Pathway student to offer a prayer at a BYU football game, recounting the impact it had on her life, her family, and the broader community. The conversation explores Faith’s experiences with faith, perseverance, and missionary work, as well as her involvement with the BYU Pathway program. Together, Connor and Faith discuss lessons from Doctrine and Covenants Section 124, the importance of temples, and the blessings of staying true to one’s beliefs despite challenges.

BYU Basketball legend Jimmer Fredette joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts on this edition of the podcast. Jimmer talks about his basketball career and his current role as Managing Director for USA Basketball’s 3x3 program. The conversation covers the intensity of the BYU/Utah rivalry, the challenges and triumphs of competitive sports, and the lessons learned from overcoming adversity—including Jimmer’s Olympic experience. The group also talks about how God's work is going forward and that it's up to us whether we want to be part of His team.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for another episode of Two Point Conversion, where they welcome in special guest BYU Defensive End Hunter Clegg. Clegg talks about why he initially committed to Utah before his mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and then decided to play for BYU after his mission. He mentions how BYU's football coaches care for the players outside of football. The conversation then dives deep into the challenges and rewards of balancing athletics, academics, and spiritual growth, with candid stories about team culture, service, and the impact of faith on and off the field. The trio also talk about using the proper name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, how God asks imperfect people to lead, and new beginnings after mistakes.