Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram

This episode takes a second, deeper look at the Enneagram Type 9—this time through the voices of two leaders on the Preston Trail staff: Ryan and Cody. With humor, vulnerability, and relatable honesty, they explore what it means to lead, parent, partner, and grow as Nines in a church setting. Ryan and Cody share openly about their experiences as Nines working closely together, leading teams, raising young families, and seeking emotional and spiritual health in a fast-paced ministry environment. Together, they unpack hallmark traits of the Type 9—harmony-seeking, calm presence, empathy, stubbornness, avoidance, and the quiet strength that emerges when a Nine steps into healthy leadership. You’ll hear real stories, vulnerable insights, and practical reflections on marriage, parenting, ministry, spiritual formation, and how the Enneagram helps them better follow Jesus. Whether you identify as an Enneagram 9, love a Nine, or lead alongside one, this conversation offers practical wisdom and heartfelt encouragement for your everyday life and relationships.

This episode explores the Enneagram Type 9: The Peacemaker, featuring two authentic and engaging voices—Robin Johnson and Denise Basden. Both share openly about their upbringing, personality patterns, life as pastor’s wives, and their unique journeys toward emotional and spiritual maturity. Their stories highlight why Type 9s are often called “the sweethearts of the Enneagram.” Drawing from real stories of marriage, motherhood, life, and church leadership, Robin and Denise unpack the core motivations and struggles of the Enneagram 9: the longing for peace, the fear of conflict, the tendency to avoid decisions, and the quiet strength of loyalty, empathy, and steadiness. Listeners will hear how Type Nines navigate relationships with strong personality types (like Enneagram 1s and 8s), how they manage emotional overwhelm, and how their calm, grounding presence becomes a gift to families, churches, and communities. Perfect for anyone interested in: ✔ Enneagram Type 9 traits ✔ Christian spiritual growth ✔ Personality and emotional health ✔ Marriage and family dynamics through the Enneagram lens ✔ How the Peacemaker style strengthens relationships and communities

In this episode of Why Do I Do What I Do: Exploring the Enneagram, host Paul Basden interviews longtime friend and co–senior pastor Jim Johnson for an in-depth, engaging, and heartfelt look at the Enneagram Type 8 personality—the Challenger. Jim shares his moving family story, including the life-altering accident that shaped his parents’ faith and filled his childhood with unconditional love. From leadership in the church to marriage and parenting, Jim offers real-life examples of how Type 8 traits show up in daily life. Listeners will learn: What drives an Enneagram 8 How Type 8s lead, love, work, and relate Why Eights value independence, justice, and honesty The common fears and anxieties of Type 8s What healthy vs. unhealthy Type 8 behavior looks like How the Eight’s passion for strength and protection can mirror the heart of Jesus This conversation is rich with wisdom, humor, and practical takeaways for anyone who is a Type 8, loves a Type 8, or leads with a Type 8. If you're exploring personal growth, spiritual formation, or Enneagram wisdom, this episode will give you clarity, encouragement, and a deeper appreciation for the powerful, justice-oriented Enneagram Eight.

In this episode of Why Do I Do What I Do?, we explore the vibrant, possibility-driven world of the Enneagram Type 7—The Enthusiast. Host Paul Basden interviews Natalie Wells, Parent Communications Director at Preston Trail Community Church, who shares how the Seven’s love of fun, spontaneity, and freedom shapes her family life, marriage to an Enneagram One, and her spiritual walk. Natalie opens up about her upbeat “YOLO” mindset, her legendary costume carpool line, and the challenge Sevens face in sitting with sadness—especially through the loss of her father. She also shares practical ways she’s learned to pause, savor, and stay present. If you're an Enneagram 7 (or love one), this episode offers relatable stories, faith-based insight, and a deeper look at the unique gifts and struggles of The Enthusiast. Show Notes What defines an Enneagram 7 Strengths and shadow sides of The Enthusiast How Sevens navigate marriage with an Enneagram One The role of spontaneity, FOMO, and planning the next adventure How Sevens avoid sadness—and how Natalie learned to face it The spiritual journey of an Enneagram 7: joy, gratitude, and open-handed living Natalie’s famous “costume carpool line” tradition Scripture that resonates with Type 7s: John 10:10, Ecclesiastes 8:15

In this episode of Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram, Paul Basden sits down with two longtime Preston Trail pastors—Warren Jacobs (Worship Pastor) and Josh Manuel (Men’s Pastor)—to explore the steady, loyal, and thoughtful nature of the Enneagram Type Six: The Loyalist.   Known as the “guardian” of the Enneagram, Sixes are faithful, reliable, and protective—always planning ahead to make sure others feel safe and supported. But beneath that loyalty lies a constant battle with fear, self-doubt, and the need for security. Together, Warren and Josh share how these traits show up in their lives, marriages, parenting, and ministry—and how faith helps them turn anxiety into trust.   Listeners will hear: How Sixes bring stability and reliability to relationships and teams. Why fear and overthinking can lead to “paralysis by analysis”—and how to break that cycle. How loyalty and problem-solving make Sixes natural leaders and teammates. What Scripture says about overcoming fear and resting in God’s security (Philippians 4:6–8, Jeremiah 29:11, and Romans 12:1). The humor, humility, and practical wisdom that help Sixes thrive at home, at work, and in faith.   Whether you’re a Six yourself or love someone who is, this conversation offers a powerful reminder: peace doesn’t come from control—it comes from trust.

In this insightful episode of Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram, Paul Basden sits down with Sonya Jacobs, Marriage and Support Pastor at Preston Trail Community Church, to explore the thoughtful and deeply introspective world of the Enneagram Type Five: The Investigator.   As a biblical counselor, ministry leader, and wife of 31 years, Sonya offers a unique window into the mind of a Type Five—known for their curiosity, independence, and lifelong pursuit of knowledge. Together, Paul and Sonya unpack what it looks like to live as a Five in marriage, parenting, and ministry, and how this personality type’s strength of insight can also become a struggle with emotional detachment or over-independence.   Listeners will hear:   How Enneagram Fives process life through learning, observation, and reflection.   The challenge of balancing self-sufficiency with vulnerability in relationships.   The spiritual transformation that happens when Fives surrender control and allow others in.   Why healthy rhythms of rest, solitude, and study are essential to thriving as a Five.   How understanding her Enneagram type helps Sonya counsel others, nurture her family, and grow closer to Christ.   Sonya’s story is both deeply practical and spiritually rich—offering encouragement for anyone who’s ever wrestled with needing to “know enough” before taking a step of faith.   Mentioned in this episode:   The Enneagram Made Easy by Renee Baron and Elizabeth Wagele   The Gift of Being Yourself by David Benner

In this episode of Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram, Paul sits down with two dynamic leaders from Preston Trail Community Church—Angel Hadley (Engagement Pastor) and Rick Wisner (Discipleship Pastor)—to explore the drive, discipline, and heart of the Enneagram Type 3: The Achiever. Known for their energy, focus, and relentless pursuit of excellence, Threes are natural leaders who inspire others to reach new goals—but they also face unique challenges beneath the surface. Together, Angel and Rick offer an honest, faith-centered look at how the Achiever’s desire for success, validation, and admiration can both fuel impact and create exhaustion. You’ll hear: How Threes balance ambition and authenticity in ministry, family, and daily life. The shadow side of achievement—perfectionism, image management, and burnout. How self-awareness and faith can transform performance into purpose. Practical ways to slow down, celebrate small wins, and lead with grace instead of striving. With humor, humility, and hard-earned wisdom, Angel and Rick share how they’ve learned to root their identity not in performance, but in Christ. This episode offers a refreshing reminder that true success isn’t about achieving more—it’s about becoming more like Jesus.

05: In this episode of Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram, Paul sits down with his daughter, Kari Dobbs, to unpack life as an Enneagram Two—the Helper and Encourager. Known for their deep compassion, loyalty, and desire to be needed, Twos are often described as the most relational type on the Enneagram. But as Kari shares, those same strengths can sometimes become struggles when pride, people-pleasing, or perfectionism creep in.   Together, Paul and Kari explore:   What it means to live with a “Helper’s heart” in marriage, parenting four boys, teaching, ministry, and friendships.   The strengths of a Two: empathy, loyalty, encouragement, and the ability to connect deeply with others.   The shadow side of a Two: pride, over-functioning, and the exhaustion that comes from giving until there’s nothing left.   How Kari has learned to balance caring for others with setting healthy boundaries and practicing self-care.   Why faith and encouragement are central to her identity, and how following Jesus has reshaped her understanding of serving and loving others.   Kari’s story is filled with honesty, humor, and hard-won wisdom about relationships, self-awareness, and spiritual growth. Whether you’re a Two yourself or love someone who is, this episode shines a light on both the beauty and the challenges of the Helper’s journey.

04: In this episode of Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram, Paul sits down with Sarah Davidson, Executive Pastor of Ministries at Preston Trail Community Church, to unpack the gifts and challenges of being an Enneagram One. Known as the Perfectionist or the Improver, Ones are motivated by a deep desire to do what’s right, live with integrity, and make the world a better place.   Sarah shares candidly about how her Enneagram type shapes her marriage, parenting three boys, and leadership of a large church staff. From the high standards and reliability that make her a trusted leader, to the inner critic and critical eye that can sometimes create tension, Sarah opens up about the real-life experience of being a One at work and at home.   Together, Paul and Sarah explore:   The strengths of a One: integrity, clarity, reliability, and consistency.   The shadow side of a One: perfectionism, criticism, and the struggle to rest.   How Sarah has learned to pursue excellence over perfection and lean into grace.   Practical wisdom for Ones learning to silence the inner critic, embrace rest, and lead with encouragement instead of judgment.   Whether you’re an Enneagram One yourself or love someone who is, this conversation offers rich insight into how Ones can move from criticism to compassion, and from perfectionism to peace.

03: Knowing your Enneagram number is just the beginning. In this episode, host Paul Basden dives deeper into the Enneagram to uncover the layers that reveal not only your type, but also your habits, motivations, and path toward transformation.   You’ll unpack:   Virtues and Vices: How your greatest strengths can also become your biggest struggles, and why choosing virtue over vice leads to growth.   Centers of Intelligence (Triads): The Heart (2-3-4), Head (5-6-7), and Gut (8-9-1) triads that shape how we feel, think, and act.   Paul shares how Christian faith intersects with the Enneagram, showing how prayer, confession, and the Holy Spirit help us move from vice to virtue—becoming more of who God created us to be.   Whether you’re just beginning with the Enneagram or you’ve studied it for years, this episode will give you practical tools and spiritual insights to deepen your journey of self-awareness and discipleship.   Additional Resources:  The Enneagram Made Easy by Elizabeth Wagele & Renee Baron The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanne Stabile The Story of You by Ian Morgan Cron The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence by Scott Allender

02: In this episode, Paul takes a deep dive into all nine Enneagram types—revealing how each type’s core motivations, strengths, and struggles can shape the way we live, love, and follow God. From the Perfectionist’s drive to do things right, to the Peacemaker’s longing for harmony, each number offers both unique gifts and unique challenges.   Paul unpacks:   The defining traits, mottos, and anxieties of each type (1–9).   Why people with the same Enneagram number can look very different depending on wings, social preferences, spiritual gifts, and emotional health.   How the Enneagram can help you name your gifts, confront your struggles, and surrender your vices to God.   Whether you identify as a Perfectionist, Helper, Achiever, Artist, Thinker, Loyalist, Enthusiast, Challenger, or Peacemaker, this conversation shows how the Enneagram is not a magic formula but a trusted framework for self-knowledge, discipleship, and transformation.   This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to understand the Enneagram more deeply and apply it as a tool for spiritual growth.   Additional Resources:  The Enneagram Made Easy by Renee Baron & Elizabeth Wagele The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanne Stabile The Story of You by Ian Morgan Cron The Path Between Us by Suzanne Stabile The Journey Toward Wholeness by Suzanne Stabile The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr & Andreas Ebbert The Sacred Enneagram by Christopher Heuertz Personality Types by Don Richard Riso & Russ Hudson The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence by Scott Allender

01: In this opening episode of Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram, host Paul Basden unpacks one of today’s most popular tools for self-discovery and spiritual growth: the Enneagram. If you’ve ever asked, “Who am I?” or wondered why you keep repeating certain patterns, this conversation will help you understand the Enneagram as more than a personality test—it’s a map of motivations, fears, and desires that can lead to both transformation and healing.   Paul tackles five big questions: Who am I? What is the Enneagram? How does it work? How do I use it? And where can I learn more? Along the way, he draws from Christian wisdom, Scripture, and his own counseling journey to explain how the Enneagram connects our worldview, our childhood wounds, and the vows we make that shape our behavior. He also highlights how this tool can deepen discipleship, helping us die to self and live more fully in the way of Jesus.   Whether you’re brand new to the Enneagram or a longtime learner, this episode offers a clear, practical introduction that blends psychology, theology, and spiritual practice. It’s the perfect place to begin your journey of asking, “Why do I do what I do?”   Books mentioned in this episode: The Enneagram Made Easy by Renee Baron & Elizabeth Wagele The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanne Stabile The Story of You by Ian Morgan Cron The Path Between Us by Suzanne Stabile The Journey Toward Wholeness by Suzanne Stabile The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr & Andreas Ebbert The Sacred Enneagram by Christopher Heuertz Personality Types by Don Richard Riso & Russ Hudson The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence by Scott Allender

What is the Enneagram, and why does it matter for your faith and personal growth? In this teaser episode, Paul introduces his new podcast season, Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram. After months of conversations on faith, culture, and tough topics, Paul shifts the focus inward—showing how the Enneagram can be a powerful tool for self-awareness, spiritual formation, and transformation. Drawing from ancient wisdom, modern psychology, and Scripture, Paul shares how knowing yourself is the first step toward living with integrity and experiencing God’s love more deeply. This episode sets the stage for what’s ahead: an introduction to the Enneagram system, in-depth interviews with all nine Enneagram types, and reflections on how self-knowledge leads to lasting change. If you’ve ever wondered “Why do I do what I do?”—this season is for you.

In this powerful season finale of Why Do I Do What I Do? Exploring the Enneagram, host Paul Basden sits in the guest chair—interviewed by creative pastor and longtime friend Allison Harrell. Together, they explore Paul’s personal journey as an Enneagram Type 1 (The Reformer) and how understanding his type has shaped his spiritual life, leadership, and relationships. With honesty, humor, and deep self-reflection, Paul shares how childhood experiences formed his worldview, why he mistyped himself as a Two for years, how spiritual direction and counseling transformed him, and how he’s learning to distinguish his inner critic from the voice of the Holy Spirit. This episode also addresses big questions Christians often ask about the Enneagram: Is the Enneagram biblical? Is it compatible with Christian faith? Does it truly help us follow Jesus? Paul offers thoughtful, pastorally grounded responses while weaving in Scripture—especially Romans 8—to show how the Enneagram can be a tool for spiritual formation when held in the right way.  

#19 Religious fundamentalism is often associated with rigid beliefs, sharp boundaries, and a no-compromise attitude—but is that what Jesus called us to? In this episode of Uncomfortable Conversations for Christians, Paul Basden explores the roots of Christian fundamentalism, why it resonates with so many believers, and where it can fall short of Jesus' example of love and grace. Key Takeaways: ✅ The historical and theological origins of Christian fundamentalism ✅ Why fundamentalism often leads to exclusion and division ✅ Jesus' and Paul’s warnings against legalism (Matthew 23:4, 1 Timothy 6:4-5) ✅ How to disagree with fundamentalists without dehumanizing them (Colossians 3:13) ✅ A call to live out faith with conviction and compassion This episode challenges us to reflect on how we engage with those who hold rigid views—do we meet them with love, or with judgment of our own? Whether you’ve wrestled with fundamentalist thinking or simply want to have better conversations across theological divides, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. To Connect with Paul Basden [click here] To Stay Up To Date with the Show [click here] Want a Chance to be Featured on the Show? Email: ashlynn@ashlynnmckay.com

#14 In this thought-provoking episode of Uncomfortable Conversations for Christians, host Paul Basden addresses the sensitive and critical topic of race. Through biblical insights, historical context, and a heart for unity, Paul challenges listeners to engage in meaningful conversations about race with compassion, humility, and a commitment to seeing others as God does. Join Paul as he explores: The origins of race-based prejudice and its devastating impact Biblical truths that reveal God’s love for all people, regardless of race Understanding concepts like Black Lives Matter, Critical Race Theory, and "woke" culture from a Christian perspective Practical ways to listen, learn, and foster unity in a divided world Perfect for those seeking a deeper understanding of race through the lens of faith, this episode invites listeners to wake up to the realities of injustice while embracing the call to love others as Christ loves us. Let’s learn to reflect God’s heart for humanity and be part of the solution. Scriptures Referenced:  Acts 10:34  Matthew 22:39  Galatians 3:28  To Connect with Paul Basden [click here] To Stay Up To Date with the Show [click here] Want a Chance to be featured on the show? Email: ashlynn@ashlynnmckay.com

In this special bonus episode of Uncomfortable Conversations for Christians, host Paul Basden takes us on a journey through one of the most beloved Christmas carols, “Hark! The Herald Angels Sing.” Written by the prolific hymnwriter Charles Wesley, this timeless carol is not just a beautiful song—it’s rich with deep theology and biblical truths. Join Paul as he unpacks the carol verse by verse, exploring its profound message about the birth of Christ: The biblical references behind the carol’s powerful lyrics Wesley’s vision of Jesus as Immanuel, God with us, and the Prince of Peace How the song captures the wonder of the incarnation and the hope of salvation A reflective reading of the carol to inspire your Christmas season   Perfect for those who love the beauty and depth of traditional carols, this episode will deepen your appreciation for the story of Christ’s birth and the eternal truth of God’s love. Let the words of this hymn fill you with peace, joy, and the true spirit of Christmas. To Connect with Paul Basden [click here] To Stay Up To Date with the Show [click here] Want a Chance to be featured on the show? Email: ashlynn@ashlynnmckay.com

#3 In this thought-provoking episode of Uncomfortable Conversations for Christians, join host Paul Basden as he dives into the complex world of politics through a Christian lens. Explore how faith intersects with political engagement and discover a balanced approach to civic participation.  Biblical views on government and authority Jesus' teachings on earthly and heavenly kingdoms Balancing political involvement with spiritual priorities Praying for leaders across the political spectrum Engaging in political discourse with grace and wisdom Perfect for believers seeking to navigate today's polarized political landscape while staying true to their faith. Learn how to be salt and light in the public square without compromising your Christian values. Learn how to navigate political disagreements with grace, foster understanding, and build bridges across ideological divides. + + + To Connect with Paul Basden click here To Stay Up To Date with the Show click here Want a Chance to be featured on the show? email: ashlynn@ashlynnmckay.com Produced by AM Socials

#2 In this thought-provoking episode, we delve into the often misunderstood concept of tolerance from a Christian perspective. Discover why tolerance isn't about accepting every idea as equally valid, but rather about treating people with dignity and respect despite our differences. Key points covered: The true meaning of tolerance in today's world How to stand firm in your faith while showing Christ-like love to others Biblical insights on balancing truth and love in our interactions Whether you're grappling with difficult conversations or seeking to engage more effectively with diverse viewpoints, this episode offers valuable insights for both believers and skeptics. Learn how to navigate disagreements with grace, foster understanding, and build bridges across ideological divides. + + + To Connect with Paul Basden click here To Stay Up To Date with the Show click here Want a Chance to be featured on the show? email: ashlynn@ashlynnmckay.com Produced by AM Socials

#1 On today's episode of Uncomfortable Conversations for Christian host Paul Basden sits down to explore the controversial topic of nationalism. Dive deep into the biblical view of national loyalty and discover the fine line between healthy patriotism and idolatrous nationalism. Learn how to love your country while keeping God first, and understand the dangers of misplaced devotion. We'll discuss: The difference between nationalism and patriotism Biblical citizenship and heavenly allegiance Balancing national pride with Christian values Praying for leaders without blind loyalty Embracing a global Christian perspective Perfect for believers seeking to navigate today's politically charged climate with faith and wisdom. Don't miss this challenging exploration of God, country, and Christian identity! + + + To Connect with Paul Basden click here To Stay Up To Date with the Show click here Want a Chance to be featured on the show? email ashlynn@ashlynnmckay.com Produced by AM Socials   CopyR