Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Watch us on Youtube and follow Unholy on social media: https://unholy-podcast.lovable.app/ Day 39 of the war. Pesach. Instead of news, we brought you books — two of them, both essential. Jonathan speaks with Daniel Taub, former Israeli ambassador to the UK and author of Beyond Dispute: Rediscovering the Jewish Art of Constructive Disagreement — about why Jewish argument culture might be the most relevant thing in the world right now, and how families torn apart over Gaza might actually talk to each other. Yonit speaks with Yardena Schwartz, award-winning journalist and Emmy-nominated producer, author of Ghosts of a Holy War — about the 1929 Hebron massacre, and why this nearly-forgotten event explains almost everything about the conflict today. Two books. Two conversations. One mid-week treat while we wait for whatever comes next.   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Get more out of Unholy: https://unholy-podcast.lovable.app/   In this special Pesach episode, Yonit and Jonathan discuss seder traditions and those who had to change due to the war. They are joined by Tom Holland — historian and co-host of The Rest Is History and author of landmark books on Rome, Persia, and the roots of Western civilization — to explain why the Romans were wrong about the Jews, why the West fundamentally misunderstands Iran, and why secularism is itself a religious inheritance. From Cyrus the Great to the Iranian Revolution to Donald Trump, this is the episode that puts the present moment in full historical context. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Please note that an (authentic!) alert sound is heard twice throughout the episode. Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/UdhHLAquwgs Follow Unholy and learn more about the pod: https://unholy-podcast.lovable.app/ The fourth week of the war with Iran finds both sides insisting—loudly and contradictorily—that peace talks are either underway or nowhere in sight. In the meantime, Iranian missiles continue to hit civilian neighbourhoods across Israel, while rolling news blurs day into night, tracking both the war itself and the political manoeuvres that show little sign of slowing down. And in London, another antisemitic attack raises uncomfortable questions about double standards when it comes to hatred directed at Israel. This week, Yonit and Jonathan sit down with Jake Sullivan, who puts it bluntly: this war should not have started. Sullivan lays out three reasons why the decision was flawed, argues that Donald Trump’s “appetite grew with the eating” from the 12-day war to the current escalation, and offers an alternative path—a renewed nuclear deal backed by long-term deterrence. He also raises a troubling possibility: could this conflict increase the likelihood of Chinese action against Taiwan?   Plus: a rare look behind the scenes of Israel’s most-watched news broadcast, as Yonit reflects on what it means to sit in the anchor’s chair for hours on end—and the personal toll it takes.   00:00 Day 27 — Cluster bomb near Yonit's house  03:00 Life under sirens: sheltering in Tel Aviv  19:48 The Rubio remark: did Israel drag America into war? 23:28 Yonit on anchoring Israel's news during a war she's living 31:23 Jonathan: global antisemitic attacks since the war began  42:06 Jake Sullivan: deal or escalation? 1:15:16 Chutzpah & Mensch Awards Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/dhvM7lnkO88 Follow us on social media and get more Unholy content: https://unholy-podcast.lovable.app/   This morning, Donald Trump posted something that might — or might not — mean the US-Israeli war on Iran is coming to an end. A five-day pause on strikes. Secret talks via Pakistan and Turkey. Kushner and Witkoff on the American side. A shadowy Iranian speaker being cast as the pragmatist the US has been searching for. This is a special emergency episode of Unholy, recorded on 23 March 2026, as events were still unfolding. Jonathan and Yonit break down the two scenarios — deal or larger war — and why Trump's exit ramp looks nothing like Netanyahu's. They also turn to the daily wave of antisemitic attacks across Europe and North America since this war began, including last night's arson on four Hatzalah ambulances in Golders Green, London.   Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Update Episode 01:02 Trump's Social Media Post and Its Implications 03:40 Negotiations and Mediating Efforts 08:29 The Role of Iran and Potential Outcomes 13:30 Israel's Position and Concerns 16:26 Rising Anti-Semitism and Community Safety   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/HeoVvd294Ww Follow us on social media and join Patreon to get more of Unholy: https://unholy-podcast.lovable.app/ Day 20 of the US-Israeli war on Iran — and it's becoming a war of attrition.  In the meantime, Europe refuses to lend its ships, daylight emerges between Trump and Netanyahu, and Joe Kent's antisemitic conspiracy theory gets the full debunking it deserves. Amos Harel, Haaretz's military affairs correspondent, joins Yonit and Jonathan for a deep dive. What does the assassination of Ali Larijani — Khamenei's right-hand man — actually achieve? Is the war drifting from plan A toward something no one planned at all? And why is Netanyahu now talking less about regime change and more about Israel as a "world superpower"? And we turn to you, our listeners, with your most pressing questions about anything between life and war. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/vQ0o0F07o2k Subscribe to get bonus episodes, read more about the team, and catch us on every platform we're on! > https://bit.ly/unholy-podcast Naomi Alderman on Substack: look at me. I’m here. I’m the ultimate product of Hitler’s defeat: https://naomialderman.substack.com/p/look-at-me-im-here-im-the-ultimate Day 13 of the war with Iran — and the conflict just got bigger. Overnight, 200 rockets were fired at Israel from Lebanon. Hezbollah, which many believed had been neutered, is back.  This week, Yonit and Jonathan take stock of a war that is growing, not winding down. They're joined by General David Petraeus — former CIA Director, commander of coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, and one of the most clear-eyed voices on American military strategy. Petraeus breaks down what the US and Israel have actually achieved so far: missile launches are down over 90%, air defenses have been dismantled, and over 6,000 targets hit. But the new Khamenei? "We wanted a Delcy Rodriguez," he says. "We got a young Kim Jong-un." And he's blunt about what comes next: Iran's a million men under arms, and nobody has a clean exit. Then: a very different conversation. Jonathan talks to novelist and broadcaster Naomi Alderman about why she thinks Marty Supreme is the most intensely Jewish movie she's ever seen.  Plus: the Mensch and Chutzpah awards return. The Academy of Hebrew Language gets hacked by Iranians. Their response? Perfect. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/LhbZcQUOjts Subscribe to get bonus episodes, read more about the team, and catch us on every platform we're on! > https://bit.ly/unholy-podcast As the war between Israel and Iran enters its second week, daily life in Israel has settled into a strange and exhausting rhythm. Yonit describe what it means to live under constant missile alerts: sleepless nights, families moving between shelters, and a country running on collective exhaustion. They also unpack two major developments shaping the conflict. First, the mixed and sometimes contradictory signals coming from Donald Trump about how long the war will last. And second, the sudden leadership change in Iran, with Mojtaba Khamenei emerging as the successor to his father. To make sense of it all, they speak with Professor Ali Ansari of the University of St Andrews, one of the world’s leading historians of Iran. Ansari challenges much of the conventional analysis around the war and the future of the Iranian regime. Could the Islamic Republic actually be weaker than many assume? Is regime change truly impossible—or simply unpredictable? And if change does come, what might it look like? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/zNwIQcrIMDs Recent update episodes: War with Iran day 4 - Living under fire (March 3) Khamenei Is Dead. What Now for Iran? - with Dr. Suzanne Maloney (March 1) US and Israel strike Iran; Khamenei reported dead - with Amos Harel (Feb 28) America and Israel are at war with Iran. non-stop sirens in Tel Aviv, the Gulf states are under fire, and the Trump administration is hit by a barrage of tough questions in Washington. This week, Yonit and Jonathan take stock of a historic and disorienting first week. Gideon Rachman, chief foreign affairs commentator for the Financial Times, joins to assess the war from the outside: Trump shifting justifications for war, Israel's military logic-- and who will fill the regional power vacuum if Iran is weakened. And: Jonathan reports from Sydney, where he visited Bondi Beach and spoke to a Jewish community still shaken by the shooting in December — and Yonit, running on five nights of no sleep, describes what it's actually like to stop your car on the side of a highway when the sirens go off. Also: a wedding in a shelter, four floors underground. 0:00.000 Chapter: US & Israel war against Iran - day 6 22:31.671 Chapter: Shifting Justifications for War 25:22.534 Chapter: Israel's Strategic Calculus 28:27.274 Chapter: Changing Dynamics in American Support 31:12.981Chapter: The Role of Allies in a New World Order 34:19.257 Chapter: Future of Regional Powers in the Middle East 37:16.299 Chapter: The Complexity of Regime Change 40:07.423 Chapter: Responses from Gulf States and the Path Forward 42:47.830 Chapter: Understanding the Iranian Threat 42:56.867 Chapter: Current Events in the Middle East 43:59.964 Chapter: Reflections on the Conversation and Future Outlook     Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/hcbffED7ISw Recent update episodes: Khamenei Is Dead. What Now for Iran? - with Dr. Suzanne Maloney (March 1) US and Israel strike Iran; Khamenei reported dead - with Amos Harel (Feb 28)   Day 4 of the Israel–Iran war: What does life look like inside Israel right now? Yonit and Jonathan reconnect for the first time since the beginning of the war with Iran. What does war feel like minute-by-minute? What does it mean when sirens sound every hour and a half — day and night? What happens to a society when workplaces close, schools shut, airports empty, and families move between safe rooms and bomb shelters as routine? Yonit describes the exhausting rhythm of preliminary alerts, the psychological strain of constant disruption, and the quiet resilience of Israeli civilians navigating a conflict that feels both immediate and existential. They discuss: ▶︎ The difference between June’s confrontation and this new phase ▶︎ The strategy behind Iran’s high-frequency missile fire ▶︎ The role of deterrence — and whether this is the beginning of the end for the Iranian regime ▶︎ The balance between exhaustion and resolve inside Israel ▶︎ And ultimately: who decides when this ends?   Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Context of the Conflict 00:43 Living Under Fire: Daily Life in Israel 04:10 The Psychological Impact of Constant Alerts 10:29 Public Sentiment and Resilience Amidst Conflict 15:28 The Role of Leadership and External Influences 22:29 Looking Ahead: The Future of the Conflict Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

As reports confirm that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is dead, Yonit is joined by Dr. Suzanne Maloney for a searching conversation about what this moment means for Iran and the wider Middle East. They examine Khamenei’s worldview in the years leading up to his death, the ideological roots of the regime’s hostility toward the West, and the deep divisions within Iranian society. The discussion turns to the question now confronting Tehran — who can succeed a figure so central to the system — and to the profound uncertainty facing Iran as it enters a post-Khamenei era with no clear path forward.   Chapters 00:00 The Legacy of Khamenei 02:54 Post-Khamenei Iran: What Lies Ahead? 05:42 The Future of the Islamic Republic 08:23 Regional Implications of Khamenei's Assassination 10:59 The Divided Iranian Society 13:58 Transitioning to a New Era   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jonathan is joined by military analyst Amos Harel to assess the latest Israeli and US strikes against Iran — and what may come next. Together they examine the logic behind the operations, the degree of coordination between Jerusalem and Washington, and how Iran is likely to respond next. They also ask the harder questions now hanging over the region: whether this marks a turning point for the Iranian regime itself, how far escalation could go, and what the strikes reveal about the shifting balance of power in the Middle East. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/aPuKq78g6X4   Follow us on social media and join Patreon to get more of Unholy: https://linktr.ee/unholypod     As the US–Iran talks in Geneva keep the region on edge, Yonit  is joined by journalist Matti Friedman, to make sense of Israel’s uneasy calm — daily life continuing under the knowledge that everything could change in minutes. They reflect on Purim anxiety, old antisemitic tropes resurfacing, and Narendra Modi’s unusually warm visit to Israel, set against Knesset infighting.  They also dive deep into the evolving India–Israel relationship with former ambassador Alon Ushpiz: affection, technology, security interests, and how much (or little) Islam really drives the alignment. Plus: the backlash to Hugh Laurie’s mourning of Tehran producer Dana Eden, a Chutzpah award for Tucker Carlson and Mike Huckabee, and a Mensch salute to Israel’s women’s hockey team. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/Wsz-rgYJeTgCatch Jonathan on tour in Australia As the Middle East enters another moment of acute tension — with one of Trump’s advisers saying there is a “90% chance we see kinetic action in the next few weeks” — Yonit speaks with Barak Ravid, diplomatic correspondent for Axios and Channel 12, about what is happening now and what Donald Trump may be weighing as events continue to unfold. From geopolitics to technology, Yonit is then joined by Noreena Hertz — academic, economist, and bestselling author — for a conversation about the future of jobs in the age of AI, why women may be particularly vulnerable to unemployment, and how these technological shifts are exacerbating antisemitism. Plus: a sports edition of Mensch and Chutzpah — crossing borders and disciplines, from American and European arenas to stories that run from basketball courts to bobsleigh tracks. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/P3ahIBALMZQFollow us on social media and join Patreon to get more of Unholy: https://linktr.ee/unholypodCatch Jonathan in Australia: https://www.instagram.com/p/DT20e6vDQDU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==As Benjamin Netanyahu boards a flight to meet President Trump, his government is attempting to rewrite the memory of October 7, removing the word “massacre” from its proposed memorial day bill. Yonit and Jonathan are joined by military analyst Amos Harel, who examines rising tensions in the West Bank, the growing influence of the far right, and the fragile balance between the IDF and the Palestinian Authority.Plus: a special conversation with Iran analyst Holly Dagres, who lived in Iran as a teenager, on the resilience and defiance of the country’s younger generation — and what change, and the future, might hold. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/m6zjJCUxC28Follow us on social media and join Patreon to get more of Unholy: https://linktr.ee/unholypod As the world waits to see the outcome of talks between Washington and Tehran, Israel finds itself grappling with upheaval at home.This week on Unholy, Yonit and Jonathan focus on two starkly different fault lines in Israeli society. First, rising violence in the Arab community: more than 30 Palestinian citizens of Israel have been murdered since the start of the year, as organised crime tightens its grip and trust in the police and the state continues to erode. What lies behind this horrific toll, and why has it been allowed to become grimly routine?Then, another front in the culture wars. Israel’s right-leaning Channel 14 turns its fire on women serving in combat roles in the IDF, questioning their very presence. What does this campaign say about power, fear and the boundaries of belonging in Israeli public life?Our guest is Coleman Hughes, one of the most prominent young intellectuals in the United States. He joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about race, antisemitism in America and the direction of Donald Trump’s domestic agenda — and what all that might mean far beyond the US. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/TcIvsLyyFMM Follow us on social media and join Patreon to get more of Unholy: https://linktr.ee/unholypod As Israel receives the body of Rani Gvilli, the last remaining hostage held in Gaza since October 7, a painful chapter closes — and a new, uncertain one begins: for the first time since 2014, there are no Israeli hostages held in Gaza. Meanwhile, the world looks to Washington, waiting to see when, where and whether Donald Trump will order a strike against Iran. Yonit and Jonathan unpack what this new reality means — for Israel, for the region and for a war that refuses to end cleanly. They also examine Benjamin Netanyahu’s latest accusation - that Israeli soldiers lost their lives because of what he called an “arms embargo” imposed by Joe Biden - and why he made it now. Plus: Listeners’ Therapy returns. Unholy is joined once again by renowned psychotherapist Dr Orna Guralnik for a second session — this time with Lee and Marion, an American-Israeli couple wrestling with a question that has become agonisingly familiar to many Jewish families: where should we raise our children? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on Youtube: https://youtu.be/GNEwMea20H4Catch Jonathan on tour in AustraliaGreenland, Gaza and the brand-new “Board of Peace”: Donald Trump goes to Davos to unveil his gold-plated rival to the UN and ambitious new blueprint for post-war Gaza. Yonit and Jonathan unpick what it means in practice, how Qatar and Turkey’s involvement is unsettling for Israelis - and why Benjamin Netanyahu may find that being in the hands of Donald Trump is no more comfortable than being in the hands of the UN. Plus, Dr. Orna Guralnik of the TV hit Couples Therapy joins Unholy for an experiment in “listeners therapy”, listening to two teenage friends from Copenhagen, Albert Trige Olesen and Benjamin Brøgger, as they have a raw and unexpectedly hopeful conversation, each determined to stay close to the other even as they disagree fiercely about Israel and the Palestinians.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Unholy turns 5 - watch Yonit and Jonathan here> https://youtu.be/JKcUuratqm4We have a new bonus episode out! find it in your feed, or here: https://bit.ly/49pirZ1Watch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ICs1pgQgCbYFor more Unholy content, social media, etc: https://linktr.ee/unholypodIran is burning, the world is watching – and, as ever, everyone is waiting to see what Donald Trump does next. As mass protests face a ferocious crackdown that may already rank among the bloodiest in the region’s modern history, Yonit and Jonathan speak to scholar of Iran Dr. Suzanne Maloney about the possibility of an eventual regime change in Tehran, Washington’s options and Israel’s concerns.In the UK, a police chief is urged to quit as the truth emerges of his ban on Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, there’s a Mensch award for sporting excellence  - and in the midst of it all, Unholy turns five. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Watch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Kq_5JLTH8lsFollow us on social media and join Patreon to get more of Unholy: https://linktr.ee/unholypoAs President Trump scrambles what used to be known as the international order, abducting a foreign dictator and threatening to invade an ally’s territory, Iranians take to the streets, driven by deepening economic despair. Back in Israel, a very different kind of unrest is unfolding, as tens of thousands of ultra-Orthodox protesters mobilise against a draft bill that strikes at the heart of a long-standing social contract.Yonit and Jonathan make sense of it all with former Biden official Amos Hochstein, who helped broker the 2024 Lebanon ceasefire agreement, asking not just what connects these flashpoints, but what comes next in an increasingly volatile world. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

If you have a relationship in your life that’s been strained by the events of the last two years, why not let celebrated therapist Orna Guralnik see if she can help? unholy@unholy-media.comWatch us on YouTube: https://youtu.be/98cZEB2eXmAFollow us on social media and join Patreon to get more of Unholy: https://linktr.ee/unholypod Benjamin Netanyahu gets a hero’s welcome at Mar-a-Lago from Donald Trump, even as his far right ministers continue their assault on Israel’s High Court of Justice. Yonit and Jonathan explore what this moment tells us about the road to the next elections. They also turn to the widening “Qatar-gate” affair, with troubling questions now closing in on the prime minister’s closest advisers. And, looking ahead to 2026, they try to sketch out the battlelines of the electoral contest to come. Plus, a crowded field for the weekly Chutzpah award and a salute to those still capable of extreme generosity. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.