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The Dorx record the day after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which happens to be the 24th anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks. We reminisce about 9-11-01: where we were, how we felt, how we’ve changed since. Then we discuss the current climate of political violence, comparing the reaction to Kirk’s death to that of George Floyd’s. Then Cori edits out 18 minutes about people denouncing him online, because it’s Rosh Hashanah and why carry resentments into the new year? So suddenly you’ll hear both of us talking about kittens. Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx discuss Robin/Robert Westman, the psychotic Minneapolis Catholic school shooter. Was he left-wing or right-wing? Does trans ideology cause psychosis, or is it just coincidental? What is the difference between racism and white nationalism? Do women owe the world reproductive labor? What might happen to Cori as the political wrecking-ball pendulum keeps swinging rightward? Was the Unicorn Ranch llamas or alpacas? Plus: Cori insists trannies are a class but TERFs are not, because he doesn’t get intersectionality. Why didn’t we just talk about kittens?Links:Robert/Robin Westman: https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/robert-westman-trans-name-change-manifesto-mary-family-bfhps6kkfWestman’s Manifesto transcription: https://x.com/FrancisAaronUK/status/1961085415445660009Westman journal excerpt about racism, Native Americans: https://x.com/FrancisAaronUK/status/1961149304053125196Matt Walsh says women owe children to the world: https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1951280351784907005Christopher Rufo: “we should now put to rest the libertarian delusion…” https://x.com/realchrisrufo/status/1960769904258469938Free Press: Robin Westman and the Rise of American Nihilism: https://www.thefp.com/p/robin-westman-and-the-rise-of-american-nihilism-minneapolis-shootingUnicorn Ranch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenacious_Unicorn_RanchAgents of HAG & Compliance Comix: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/compliance-comix/Protect Trans Kids weapons tshirt: https://www.amazon.com/Protect-Trans-Knife-Pride-T-Shirt/dp/B0BZBHJ4TQconfirmation bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_biasAndrea James website: https://www.transgendermap.com/Knife-wielding Scottish lassWDI Convention: https://womensdeclarationusa.com/wdi-usa-2025-national-convention/The Naked Gun: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3402138/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

You may recognize Katie Herzog’s journalism and podcasting, but did you also know she’s soon-to-be famous for her alcoholism? For years she hid it from the world and her exceptionally gullible wife, but now she tells all in a new book which even longtime twelve-stepper Nina finds persuasive. Can you quit booze while happily retaining your character defects? What is Naltrexone? Does everyone get a “buzz” from drinking? Does Nina get pleasure from anything? Plus: amusing recollections of drunken episodes and blackouts, getting older and more isolated, extinguishing desires, AA vs. Al-Anon, Kokomo, Kokomo, why you should never apologize, and tips on how to hide both drinking and smoking from your spouse!Links:Drink Your Way Sober by Katie Herzog: https://www.drinkyourwaysober.com/The Sinclair Method: https://www.sinclairmethod.org/what-is-the-sinclair-method-2/Syn-Anon documentary: https://www.hbomax.com/shows/synanon-fix/a27b5e0a-68eb-48e2-baa6-2b0f01d5b8be Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori and Nina chit-chat about things that have nothing to do with gender: heat indices, ducktails, cat poop, impermanence, Hulk Hogan, Conway’s Game of Life, Michigan in the summer, Permethrin, online shopping, Spaceballs, elephants, and The Book of Job. But other topics in our wandering conversation are inevitably related to gender: Psycho, synthetic blue velvet dresses, hijabs, and a recently-deceased poet. As always, we ask the important questions: Why would God create mosquitoes? Does Reality exist beyond our perceptions? Why is 24fps better than 25fps for animators? Does Nina’s loss of her female tonsils make her less of a woman? How many hats does Cori have? (A: too many)Links:Benjamin Boyce w/ Cori and Graham Linehan Psycho shower scenecloaca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CloacaFeline Follies (from Nina’s blog): https://ninapaley.com/2025/07/21/feline-follies/Hulk Hogan dies at 71: https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/45813406/pro-wrestling-legend-hulk-hogan-dies-age-71Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (again): https://www.vhemt.org/Conway’s Game of Life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_LifePermethrin: https://www.sawyer.com/product/permethrin-fabric-treatment-insect-repellent-24-oz-trigger-sprayInformed DissentSpaceballssoma crappy animation Nina DID NOT do: https://www.facebook.com/CoffeemateUSA/videos/23973682502325784/?rdid=0FcIVbVR5QfzzfBb#The Book of JobBelieve by Ross DouthatAndrea Gibson’s Love Letter from the Afterlife Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori returns from San Francisco with brief tales of the Endocrine Society before launching into crazy population projections (AGAIN) and then making some rather provocative arguments. What are Human Rights? Can children consent to irreversible decisions? Is the individual the most important unit of society? Are women never competent? Has Cori been wearing Nina down for an hour and a half, or just an hour? Despite still grieving her cat, Nina does a good job arguing right back and the resulting debate is actually pretty good.Links:SF TERF Central: https://x.com/sf_terf_centralEndocrine Society conference in San Francisco: https://www.endocrine.org/meetings-and-events/endo-2025The Female Eunuch by Germaine Greer: https://seminariolecturasfeministas.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/germaine-greer-the-female-eunuch.pdfSelf-fertilizing plants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-pollinationMating In Captivity by Esther Perel: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/mating-in-captivity-esther-perel?variant=41231555362850Human Rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rightsThe Center for Individual Rights: https://cir-usa.org/The Age of White Guilt by Shelby Steele: https://cir-usa.org/2002/11/the-age-of-white-guilt-and-the-disappearance-of-the-black-individual/Nina’s SSDI Blue Book project (on hold for biking season): https://ninapaley.com/2025/05/31/illustrating-the-ssdi-blue-book/R.I.P. Nina’s cat Lola: https://ninapaley.com/2025/07/10/rest-in-peace-sweet-lola/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori speaks at the European Society for Child & Adolescent Psychiatry conference, then returns home to find degenerates everywhere. Meanwhile, Nina’s beloved cat dies. Cori calls out a “Protect the Dolls” campaign; Nina’s lungs improve. Cori has to clean up human feces in his yard; Nina wears a dress. Cori gets into pronatalism and blames Nina for western collapse; Nina sighs. Plus: pain au chocolat, lazy consonants, TSA shoes, cannabinoids, sanitariums, and yelling at clouds.Links:European Society for Child & Adolescent Psychiatry in Strasbourg https://www.escap.eu/events/escap-2025-congress-in-strasbourgPain au Chocolat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_au_chocolatTSA shoes: https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/travelers-will-no-longer-have-to-remove-their-shoes-for-tsa/article_c53fe231-d918-40e5-aa53-b7f0084e51ce.htmlOutCare - Protect the Dolls: https://mailchi.mp/outcarehealth/september-outtalk-6420697Dustin Nowaskie: https://www.outcarehealth.org/staff/dustin-nowaskie/Art Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_BellFTC Hearing: The Dangers of “Gender-Affirming Care” for Minors: https://www.ftc.gov/media/dangers-gender-affirming-care-minors?s=08 Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

On June 18 the Supreme Court of the United States ruled on US v. Skrmetti, deciding whether a Tennessee law prohibiting certain medical interventions on youngsters violates the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. The Hon. Elspeth Cypher (ret.) a.k.a. Judge TERF joins the Dorx to dissect the case, the decision, the concurrences, and the dissents. Which concurrence is best, Thomas’s or Barrett’s? Does Justice Sotomayor suffer from pathological empathy? If Skrmetti were a pasta, what type of sauce would be best on it? Plus Nina mis-sexes Chase Strangio (whoops!), Cori’s gender is Jewish, and Judge TERF solves the crisis in the Middle East.Links:US v. Skrmetti Decision, June 18 2025: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-477_2cp3.pdfJudging US v Skrmetti with Judge TERF, December 2024: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/judging-us-v-skrmetti-with-judge-891Cori posts on Thomas’ concurrence: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1935380685490880949JD Vance tweets a screenshot of a post on Bluesky reposting Cori’s screenshot from Twitter (what?): https://x.com/JDVance/status/1935457852082016556How The Transgender Rights Movement Bet On The Supreme Court and Lost by Nicholas Confessore (NYT): https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/magazine/scotus-transgender-care-tennessee-skrmetti.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QE8.JUql.PEoYV35S-FVz&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShareOur episode on NYT podcast The Protocol: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/episode-171-poop-and-protocolGlenna Goldis Bad Facts: https://badfacts.substack.com/Ilya Shapiro - Lawless: https://manhattan.institute/book/lawless-the-miseducation-of-americas-elitesWoLF: https://womensliberationfront.org/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

How old is Cori? Will the NYT podcast The Protocol change minds? Is there any competence in the Trump administration? Why is Nina’s cat pooping on the floor? These questions and more are asked, but not entirely answered, as we move in and out of the fetal position, name-drop various GC power players, and read aloud comments from another podcast’s subreddit.Important note: Cori is COMPLETELY WRONG about last week’s timeline: Nina wrote about her cat 2 days after we recorded last time. Is his muddled thinking a symptom of estrogen withdrawal, or turning 50? SO MANY QUESTIONSLinks:Pussy Whipped (Nina’s blog): https://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/06/07/pussy-whipped/Informed Dissent analysis of The Protocol: Part 1 Part 2: Missing from NYT's podcast THE PROTOCOL (Glenna Goldis on X): https://x.com/glennagoldis/status/1930969733748113531Elliot Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_PageKinnon MacKinnon https://www.yorku.ca/positivechange/2022/06/24/kinnon-mackinnon/Dude Looks Like A Lady (Aerosmith):The comments we read from the Blocked & reported subReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlockedAndReported/comments/1l1971t/comment/mwmctet/Credit Is Due (The Attribution Song): Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Young Generation (Cori) reaches out to the Old Generation (Nina) and exhibits patience while pretending to listen to geezer tales of things that go wrong with body parts and the SSDI Blue Book. Then we get into the hip, happenin’, swingin’ NOW with the latest news on gay martyrs, fake martyrs, and trans martyrs. Nina consents to Cori’s exposition on immigration, and somehow gets stuck comparing illiberal policy to her Junior High school cafeteria. Plus: tribal identities, Cori’s synagogue, lenses, spicy food, organ recitals, Title VII, cooling sheets, and a surprisingly out-of-character bathroom joke.Cori and Nina may not be equals, but they are co-hosts, which is about as close as we can get in this life.LinksSSDI Blue Book: https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/AdultListings.htmhttps://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/05/31/illustrating-the-ssdi-blue-book/Jonathan Joss: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jonathan-joss-killing-police-records-neighbor-dispute-rcna210670Matthew Shepard: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori is almost 50, and Nina is 57 going on 80. We discuss bronchiectasis, health hazards, witchcraft, hypertonic saline, nebulizers, oxygen monitors, IQ tests, lifesaving gender-denying healthcare, pulmonology, and being a delicate flower. Cori gives a speech, doesn’t quit his job, and asks: at what age did we become adults? Why was he kicked out of his mom’s house at age 17? How do you pronounce ‘syncytial’? Covid may have taken decades off Nina’s life, but this episode will take less than an hour off yours.Links:Cori’s speech: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1920583202114027686Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV): https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus/symptoms-causes/syc-20353098Nina’s illness art: https://blog.ninapaley.com/category/crohns/Maryn Cadell - The Pope Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

After several conversations about antidepressants, the Dorx welcome back pediatrician Dr. Julia Mason, who prescribes Selective Seretonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) to young people. Do we even know what these drugs do to developing brains? How do antidepressants compare with “gender-affirming care”? Does Barlean’s Fish Oil really taste like lemon custard? We also talk about myelnation, the distress of youth, the parasympathetic nervous system, neurotransmitters, immunosuppression, social costs and benefits of treatments, wildly swinging trends in medicine, unintended consequences, public schools, and the over-diagnoses of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). Medical institutions have a lot to answer for, but at least we have Nampons for nosebleeds.Links:Nampons: https://nampons.com/SEGM: https://segm.org/about_usFeminist blogger with Crohn’s Disease: https://cannabisrefugeeesq.wordpress.com/2018/03/27/cannabis-refugee-esq/Nina on Prozac: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/02/08/back-on-zac/myelination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyelinationBarlean’s Fish Oil https://www.barleans.com/collections/fish-oils/products/seriously-delicious-omega-3-fish-oil-lemon-cremeListening to Prozac: https://www.peterdkramer.com/new-pageThe Noonday Demon: https://andrewsolomon.com/books/the-noonday-demon/Xeno’s Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes#Dichotomy_paradoxJulia Mason on the Chain of Trust in Medicine:Hunter in a Farmer’s World by Thom Hartmann: https://www.hunterinafarmersworld.com/NYT: Have We Been Thinking About ADHD All Wrong? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/magazine/adhd-medication-treatment-research.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20250413&instance_id=152482&nl=the-morning&regi_id=58030095&segment_id=195907&user_id=a173f8835e89df3e22af711782032be9Jamie Reed also recommends Nampons: https://x.com/JamieWhistleOur 2023 Julia Mason interview: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-105-pediatric-disenchantment-with-julia-mason-md/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori is a hard-working corporate employee who dutifully contributes to America’s tax base. Nina is a low-income artist with Crohn’s Disease whose medical expenses make her a net parasite, despite also paying taxes. After a surprise performance of improvised music by soda-can virtuoso Cori, we discuss tariffs, security, Medicaid, FICA, “maxing out contributions,” Incidence of Taxation, employment benefits, monetary incentives, distortions, the Tragedy of the Commons, suckers, rationalizations, population collapse/explosion, and episodic disability. Is art, work? How hard is it to be poor? Can air be privatized? Like Life itself, our tax/benefits system isn’t fair, and it cannot go on forever. So a big Thank You to all American taxpayers who support unproductive, under-productive, post-productive, and ill members of society like your show-notes writer.Links:Leta Boylan testimonyTerminator 2: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/Tragedy of the Commons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commonsThe Economist on more people claiming entitlements: https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/04/02/the-tyranny-of-tiktokkers-who-turn-up Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori travels from statehouse to statehouse to testify against the worst excesses of gender ideology, while Nina gets sick for a month and loses her voice and relevance. Cori shares news from New Hampshire, where heterodox Democrat Jonah Wheeler is subject to a struggle session; Nina shares about watching television and playing Lexulous. Our lives couldn’t be more different, but we come back together to argue about AI art, neurodivergence, diagnosis skepticism, the attention economy, and ice cream. Our new slogan is “Bring Back Retardation!” and we’re doing our part.LinksJonah Wheeler breaks ranks with Democrats: https://x.com/Sidewalk_Steve/status/1902818393373413728Jonah Wheeler struggle/listening session:Cones ice cream (closed): https://www.yelp.com/biz/cones-artisanal-ice-cream-new-yorkWinter, a trans kid: https://x.com/LGBCourage/status/1899180045870010722Yarden Silveira: https://www.city-journal.org/article/yarden-silveira-death-transgender-surgery-complications?utm_source=virtuous&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cjdailyAsh Hall: https://www.aclutx.org/en/biographies/ash-hallOvarit shutting down: https://ovarit.com/o/Announcements/676340/ovarit-is-closingSeverance: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11280740/Autism self-diagnosis: https://x.com/buttonslives/status/1906851869106082120B******t Jobs by David Graeber: https://cominsitu.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/david-graeber-b******t-jobs-a-theory-1.pdfepisodic disability: https://episodicdisabilities.ca/home.phpYou Be Illin’ - RUN DMC: Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Following up on our June 2021 episode What If We Win? the Dorx ask whether we have won the gender wars yet. While discussing weak arguments, bad journalism, wrong pronouns, diversity of tactics, tolerance, metallurgy, the responsibility of power, and Cori’s “boys,” still more questions arise: Why are people who know better still referring to men as women? Who coddles the coddlers? Is a Liberal’s true authentic self an Authoritarian? How do you pronounce “Maori”? Listen to this episode for answers, and remember to STAY MARGINAL!Links:What If We Win? Heterodorx June 2021 episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-21-what-if-we-win/Blocked & reported Zizians episode: https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-247-the-zizians-reign-ofInformed Dissent podcast on Brianna Wu: https://informeddissentpodcast.substack.com/p/episode-12-the-babies-are-in-chargeNina’s Tweet about pronouns: https://x.com/ninapaley/status/1893348769053254076Conservative NZ church hakka disrupts Pride parade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOjP-L8acU8&ab_channel=AllBlacksRumspringa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori suddenly pivots to surprise Nina with an unexpected interview about her lifelong mental health affliction and the medication she takes to manage it. What is the difference between grief and depression? Should you “feel your feelings” when your feelings are broken? What is serotonin? Which is a better theory of the brain: etchings or bike gears? We know very little about brains, which raises another question: can we talk to an SSRI expert?This is actually a pretty good discussion about depression and antidepressants, which is why we made it its own episode (the previous half is Episode 163: Cori’s Boobs Break The Internet.)Link:Back on ‘Zac by Nina: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/02/08/back-on-zac/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

More than what you ever needed to know about Cori’s breasts! Are they real? Are they implants? Are they gynecomastia? Whatever you call them (Cori calls them “the Boys”) they never fail to upset certain people on Twitter. Plus: Cori’s sweater, Cori’s scarf, Cori’s weight, Cori’s latest testimony at the Indiana Statehouse, Cori’s political opponents, and — as if that weren’t enough — Cori’s conversion to Judaism!We broke this episode in two because Part Two is about something completely different.Links:KJK goes after Cori: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1889852099518955762Cori’s testimony: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1889695879658938488Sia Liilii: https://nevadawolfpack.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/sia-liilii/11631Chris Daley, Indiana ACLU: https://www.aclu-in.org/en/biographies/chris-daley Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

A founding editor of online magazine Queer Majority, Rio Veradonir advocates “an inclusive vision of queerness grounded in the liberal value of universal human rights, rather than identity politics.” We discuss liberalism, anti-liberalism, the gay press, extremism in media, neo-marxism, critical social justice, legitimate vs made-up oppression, population politics, the right to hurt yourself, the distribution of mens’ IQs, and, most importantly, pegging. Nina argues against surrogacy, Cori shares his podcast goals, and both admire Veradonir’s use of the word “orthopraxy.” We also use the word “retarded” because Heterodorx is a free speech zone. Liberty for all!Links:Queer Majority: https://www.queermajority.com/Rio Veradonir: https://www.queermajority.com/about-the-editor-sub/about-the-editor-rvCynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose & James Lindsay: https://cynicaltheories.com/The Baby Boon by Elinor Burkett: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Baby-Boon/Elinor-Burkett/9780743242646Nina’s Sex-Positive Memoirs: https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/Kaynes-Hayek Rap Battle: https://tinyurl.com/mrtbebbmThe Economist: https://www.economist.com/San Francisco Sex Information: https://www.sfsi.org/Andrea Dworkin on The Sexual Revolution: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/08/23/andrea-dworkin-on-the-sexual-revolution/Wilfred Reilly: https://www.queermajority.com/contributors-1/wilfred-reillyDaniel Quasar: https://designsbydanielquasar.com/pages/freelance-and-commissions/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori and Nina endure 2 hours of neo-religious propaganda so you don’t have to. Instead, you must endure 20 minutes of Nina attempting to recall plot points while Cori complains how long it’s taking. Are the characters flat, or nuanced? Is the movie merely terrible, or does it have cult classic potential? Is the director cleverer than we give him credit for? How much can the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences humiliate itself? Cori eventually talks himself into giving two thumbs up for “The Room of 2024” while Nina is just glad it’s over.Links:Emilia Pérez: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20221436/Vaginoplasty song: The Room: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368226/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_2“Oh hi Mark”: Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Cori and Nina take turns reading aloud Trump’s Executive Order 14168: Defending Women from Gender Identity Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government, commenting on every section. You won’t get a deeper analysis than ours, although you must endure Cori’s over-dramatic reading voice and the hosts’ occasional bickering.Links:Executive Order 14168: Defending Women from Gender Identity Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/TERFle Island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Island Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Remember the Free and Open Internet? Tech journalist Bryan Lunduke does, and isn’t afraid to write about its demise one institutional capture at a time. We discuss having our hearts broken by our beloved Internet Archive; the Wikipedia Foundation’s shady dealings; the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s championing “the right for little children to look at porn on the internet”; and Mozilla’s “Feminist decolonial lgbtqia+ climate justice using AI event in Zambia.” Like any good journalists, we ask the tough questions: How do you get your name forbidden by ChatGPT? Who is more banned from conferences, Lunduke or Paley? Are we gonna have a free and open internet, or not? (Answer: not.) Whether you love nerds or merely are one, this entertaining episode will have you wanting to get offline more than ever.Links:The Lunduke Journal: Lunduke.comChatGPT Can Not Say “Bryan Lunduke”: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/chatgpt-can-not-say-bryan-lundukeThe Cathedral and the Bazaar by Eric Raymond: http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/Our Kiwi Farms/Josh Moon episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-107-how-the-internet-lost-its-backbone-with-joshua-moon/Cori’s Kiwi Farms article: https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/the-world-should-not-need-kiwi-farmsLarry Sanger Speaks Out: https://christopherrufo.com/p/larry-sanger-speaks-outWomen in tech: https://mimiandeunice.com/2018/11/07/women-in-tech/ Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe