The Art Of Imperfect Adulting

In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Pallavi Pande about building a supportive community as a South Asian immigrant mom and entrepreneur in Portland, Oregon. The discussion shines a light on the realities of starting over in a new place, the importance of vulnerability, and how taking the first small step toward connection can lead to lasting impact.Pallavi Pande is a BIPOC mompreneur and the founder of DTOCS, a brand offering classy, compostable single-use tableware for events. Through her firm, DTOCS Consulting, she helps other brands grow on Amazon. She also leads a 2,000+ member South Asian moms group in Oregon. A Tory Burch Foundation Fellow and an honoree on Inc.’s list of fastest-growing companies, Pallavi serves on the board of Naturally Seattle. When she’s not building businesses or mentoring founders, you’ll likely find her dancing Zumba or sipping wine—always championing People, Planet, and Parties.Main Topics Covered:Overcoming the isolation of relocating and reinventing yourself in a new city as an immigrant.Postpartum depression and the power of vulnerability in reaching out for help.Building community for South Asian women through "Portland Brown Mommies" to address culture-specific needs.The evolution of an online community into deep, multigenerational in-person friendships and support.Using feedback and responsiveness to keep community events relevant, safe, and engaging.Transitioning from social connection to business mentorship: supporting South Asian women entrepreneurs.Mindset, habit change, and resilience in overcoming rejection—personally and professionally.How community supported Pallavi’s entrepreneurial journey with DTOCS compostable tableware.Quote from the Episode:"So I went with the vision I had, which was, there's nobody for me. How can I change that narrative? How can I be there for somebody else who's like me, who's trying to move, who has million of questions..." — Pallavi PandeTimestamps: [00:00:06] Welcome & quick intros; Pallavi shares her Portland home [00:00:38] Navigating life in rainy Portland and fitting in daily movement [00:01:18] Pallavi’s three focuses: moving, overcoming rejection, building community [00:01:43] Pallavi’s migration: marrying young, moving from India to Ohio, then Oregon [00:04:12] Facing postpartum depression, loneliness, and the search for cultural connection [00:05:08] The spark of finding community online and creating “Portland Brown Mommies” [00:07:27] Diversity and inclusivity experiences in Oregon [00:08:05] Loneliness, pandemic impact, and the choice to take action [00:10:02] Mechanics of building an online-to-offline local mom community [00:12:13] Event planning by consensus and member feedback [00:13:43] Advice for those feeling lonely: why Pallavi didn’t just “join a club” [00:16:10] Taking the first baby step: how the group started with a single Facebook post [00:18:48] Tying community-building to entrepreneurship and DTOCS [00:21:03] From social group to business mentor network for South Asian women [00:24:34] Rejection, resilience, and pivoting toward progress [00:28:36] Pallavi’s passion for LinkedIn and how to connect with her/DTOCS [00:30:50] Rapid fire: morning routines, family priorities, and world travel tips [00:36:45] Closing and gratitude for Pallavi’s insightsABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: www.dtocs.comGET PALLAVI PANDE’S SPECIAL OFFER: Use coupon code DTOCS10 at checkout on our website - https://www.dtocs.com, for 10% off and free shippingNote from the show: Guest offers are almost always limited-time and limited quantity. If you have any trouble redeeming the offer please reach out directly to the guest for support.Join the conversation on social. Find the Art of Imperfect Adulting on Instagram @theartof_imperfect_adulting YouTube @imperfectadulting and TikTok @imperfectadultingIf you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Kim Nicol about the power and impact of asking for what you want. Specifically Kim share the story of how at age 24 she requested a 10-week unpaid sabbatical from her first salaried job. Kim is based in San Francisco. Listeners will gain insights into career pivots, self-advocacy at work, and the transformational value of travel and saying “yes” to yourself.Kim Nicol is an Executive Mindfulness Coach for leaders in diverse industries. She talks about the human side of leadership on The New Manager Podcast, and teaches Communication Strategies on Maven.Main Topics Covered:Self-advocacy in early career: Why and how Kim asked for an extended unpaid sabbatical in her early 20s.Overcoming fear in the workplace: Navigating the nerves and uncertainty that come with requesting big things from your employer.The role of supportive work cultures—Kim’s experience in a small, tight-knit company with no formal HR.Transformative power of travel: How living and learning in France expanded Kim’s worldview and triggered new personal growth.The difference between sabbaticals, leaves of absence, and corporate culture in the U.S.Lessons for managers: How leaders can approach unusual employee requests and foster growth.Applying boldness forward: How early self-advocacy continues to impact Kim’s professional and coaching life, and how she encourages others to ask for what they need.French culture, lifelong learning, and the “through line” of storytelling in Kim’s career.Quote from the Episode: “You can ask for things, it’s okay. They might even say yes. Be willing to be Pleasantly surprised at what someone might say yes to.” — Kim NicolTimestamps: [00:00:05] Intro & where Kim calls home—San Francisco and Santa Cruz roots[00:01:15] Childhood activities: tennis, college rowing, and the introversion of team sports[00:02:08] Kim’s first post-college job and studying marketing[00:03:12] Why marketing: the allure of storytelling and business[00:06:13] The big ask: requesting a 10-week sabbatical as a 24-year-old[00:07:16] Response & process: boss’s reaction, team structure, and no HR involvement[00:10:13] What inspired the idea of a sabbatical, French art, travel dreaming[00:11:14] No precedents: Kim's research, self-direction, and planning the trip[00:12:49] The ask unfolds: process details and how Kim presented solutions[00:15:28] Coworkers’ reactions: surprise, envy, and supporting young ambition[00:16:28] Returning to work: changed perspective and inevitable next steps[00:18:05] Manager’s perspective: Kim reflects on handling requests as a leader[00:19:59] Corporate vs. personal sabbaticals; evolving U.S. work culture[00:21:10] Long-term takeaways: power in asking and why it matters in professional development[00:23:44] The impact of cultural immersion and expanded worldview[00:25:40] Previous travel experiences and what inspired Kim’s French adventure[00:27:44] Closing, Kim’s current podcast, self-advocacy worksheet, and rapid-fire fun questions (“no eggplant!”)ABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: https://kimnicol.com/ or listen to her podcast, New Manager Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-manager-podcast/id1482942451If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Lisi Lopez about taking the leap from a decade-long career in industrial engineering to embracing her true passion for writing. In this episode both the host and guest are in Miami but we still recorded it remotely. Listeners will be inspired by Lisi’s candid reflections on practical career choices, honoring family support, and nurturing passions alongside parenthood.Lisi Lopez is an engineer-turned-writer and a second-generation immigrant, born to a Cuban mother and a Puerto Rican father. In 2017, Lisi and her husband welcomed their middle son, who has Down Syndrome. Channeling her passion for writing, she began publishing advocacy articles to help create a world where her son's extra chromosome is celebrated rather than seen as a disability. Through that journey, she rediscovered her love for storytelling and hasn't looked back since.Main Topics Covered:Making a major career shift from engineering to creative writing, and what prompted Lisi to make that leap.How family support, practical decision-making, and cultural expectations influenced her educational and professional choices.The impact of parenting, particularly raising a child with Down syndrome, on Lisi’s priorities, creativity, and eventual career transformation.A behind-the-scenes look at balancing a demanding household, marriage to a physician, and personal ambition.The challenges and realities of leaving a stable, technical career for an uncertain but fulfilling creative pursuit.How Lisi blends advocacy for special needs and her Cuban heritage into her writing projects.The importance of rediscovering and honoring creative passions at any stage in adulthood.The power of community, flexibility, and resilience—especially for women navigating work, family, and self-discovery.Quote from the Episode: "But that doesn’t mean you have to put your passions on a shelf. Right. It’s not a give or take. It’s not a black or white thing here." — Lisi LopezTimestamps: [00:00:05] Amy welcomes Lisi and kicks off with childhood storytelling favorites[00:00:51] [Lisi Lopez] shares Harry Potter as the book that sparked her imagination[00:01:44] Discussing the cultural phenomenon of Harry Potter for both kids and adults[00:04:04] How long Lisi worked as an industrial engineer and what the role entailed[00:05:58] Lisi on the creativity and challenges of being an engineer—especially as a parent[00:07:18] The “practical” choice to pursue engineering and balancing family expectations[00:08:09] Rediscovering writing through electives and family advocacy after her son’s birth[00:13:31] How parenting (and her husband’s medical career) influenced her shift away from engineering[00:16:13] Lisi’s "aha moment" after back surgery—publishing the manuscripts she’d hidden away[00:17:59] Navigating marriage, medical school, and raising three children with family support[00:25:10] Lisi outlines her published and upcoming historical fiction novels, including stories tied to her Cuban American heritage[00:28:32] Delving into Cuban immigration waves and their impact on storytelling[00:31:08] Where listeners can find Lisi online, and how she connects with readers[00:32:10] Fun closing questions—adult responsibilities, movies, gifting, and moreABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges. You can expect interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: https://www.lisilopezauthor.comFind Lisi’s most recent book on Bookshop.org https://bookshop.org/a/87491/9798992480009If you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportNever Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Cristina Ramirez about personal and professional pivots, the power of discomfort, and redefining resilience in the face of grief and change. Cristina, currently living in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (by way of Miami and New Mexico), shares how her life experiences—including global moves, founding a kids’ run club, and facing profound loss—have shaped her philosophy on growth, mindset, and helping children (and adults) build grit. Listeners will hear firsthand how Cristina transformed adversity into action, scaled her business, and found meaning and connection through both her personal journey and her work with DashStrom.About Cristina M. Ramirez:Cristina M. Ramirez is Co Founder of DashStrom, a youth empowerment start-up based in Pittsburgh, PA. Her programs have impacted over 12,000 children across 41 states. A veteran of Wall Street and Silicon Valley, Cristina is an award winning coach, best selling author, Ironman triathlete and a USASA Snowboard National Silver Medalist.Main Topics Covered:Reinventing yourself: How Cristina pivoted from educator and triathlete to entrepreneur, author, and grief survivorStarting and scaling DashStrom: Building a children's run club into an impactful, scalable program focused on empowering kids across the U.S.Navigating grief and life transitions: The reality of losing parents and a spouse while parenting and running a businessThe role of discomfort in personal growth: Applying the “20% power principle” and why leaning into uncomfortable situations is key for resilienceAuthenticity over appearance: Facing the fear of “course correcting” in life or business and letting go of external expectationsUsing social media for support: The surprising comfort Cristina found in sharing her grief journey onlineEmbracing uncertainty: Why it’s okay to change directions, make mistakes, and follow new opportunities at any stage of adultingHelping kids thrive in the digital age: DashStrom’s mission to combat screen time and mental health challenges in youthQuote from the Episode:“There is such so much pain that it cannot be more amplified... Having that shared grief with my community and with people, you know, that knew me and people that didn’t know me, yeah, it felt good. It felt like that wall, like there were other people there with me.” — Cristina RamirezTimestamps:00:06 – Welcome, Cristina’s global sense of “home”, and landing in Pittsburgh00:53 – Why Pittsburgh is an underrated city with culture, art, and sports02:42 – The birth of the kids’ run club: lessons from Ironman and changing mindsets04:41 – From “I’m Possible Run Club” to DashStrom: The story behind the name and brand06:46 – Moving from Miami to New Mexico: On shaking up family life and the role of grief09:30 – The shock and aftermath of losing her husband, and communicating grief publicly13:44 – Social media as a support system during tragedy15:03 – Writing “Empowered by Discomfort”: Why and how the book came to be17:17 – The “reverse Uno” move: Going back to DashStrom full-time after adult coaching20:41 – Mindset shifts, facing doubts, letting go, and reinventing yourself25:00 – Unexpected paths: Following “breadcrumbs” and reaching thousands of kids nationwide27:41 – Where to find Cristina’s book and how to get involved with DashStrom29:14 – Cristina’s triathlon update, creating tranquility through shamanic drumming, and applying life lessons from growing up internationally33:05 – Closing reflections and gratitudeYou can find Cristina’s Book, Empowered by Discomfort here https://bookshop.org/a/87491/9798987856000ABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Kristina Heaugh-Avritt about the complexities of school choice, navigating "cracks in the system" of public education, and redefining joyful, values-based learning at home. Kristina, based in Southern Oregon, brings nearly three decades of classroom experience and her perspective as a special needs parent to the conversation. Together, they dive deep into teacher burnout, the shifting landscape of education, and the empowering journey of supporting alternative learning paths for families.Kristina Heagh-Avritt is the founder of Vibrant Family Education and the co-host of the Bringing Education Home podcast. After over 30 years in education, she now guides parents to create joyful, connected, values-based learning at home. She is dedicated to helping families raise happy, healthy, and successful children who love to learn and feel deeply supported.Main Topics Covered:The evolving realities and challenges within public school systems, including “teaching to the test” and loss of teacher autonomyHow administrative shifts and tech demands have impacted both teachers and families, especially after the pandemicThe crucial role of parent involvement and how modern schools have unintentionally created barriers to collaborationNavigating burnout as an educator: emotional shifts, leaving legacy workplaces, and the hard decision to step awayThe difference between replicating traditional schooling at home versus designing custom home education experiencesDemystifying alternative education: homeschooling, unschooling, road schooling, and world schooling—and how to choose the right fitAddressing family values, holistic learning, and handling fears about “missing something” in home-based educationHow Kristina supports parents through 1:1 coaching, building accountability, routines, and personally tailored plansQuote from the Episode: “I think a lot of it had to do with helping other people, you know, and just knowing that the children I could impact and help grow and change and be confident and stuff. When I started school, I wasn't very confident, and I grew into my confidence and my capabilities with great teachers. … When you're watching, watching a little kid and they finally get something, their eyes pop open, and you can almost literally see that little cartoon bubble, light bulb above their head going, I got it right.” — Kristina Heaugh-AvrittTimestamps: [00:00:06] Welcome & intros; Kristina shares her Oregon roots [00:01:20] Snow days: Why Kristina prefers evening walks over outdoor sports [00:02:04] Kristina’s dual perspective—teacher and special needs parent [00:03:06] Why second and third grades are a “sweet spot” for growth [00:04:06] Teaching all subjects except PE, music, and library [00:04:27] Big district restructuring: Shifts, chaos, and adapting [00:05:16] Being an academic “bookworm” and loving school childhood [00:06:01] Mrs. Reynolds: The teacher who inspired Kristina’s journey [00:06:58] Motivation for teaching: Helping kids gain confidence [00:08:13] Hitting limits—“loving kids through the cracks in the system” [00:09:00] From connection to burnout: Policy, tests, and admin changes [00:11:07] Curriculum before “teaching to the test”—what flexibility looked like [00:12:39] What changed for teachers who fell behind rigid test schedules [00:15:40] Slow decline, parent disconnect, and impact of frequent admin turnover [00:17:57] The increasing barriers for parent involvement at school [00:21:58] Principal changes and the loss of school “family” [00:23:14] Making the difficult decision to leave classroom teaching [00:24:20] Transition into Vibrant Family Education—helping parents directly [00:27:32] What does Kristina’s coaching offer? Foundations for alternative and home learning [00:29:51] What “values-based” really means: Tailoring to each family’s traditions [00:32:29] The mistake of trying to “bring school home” vs. building custom routines [00:34:19] Kristina’s ebook offer: Education at home in 10 simple stepsABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: Kristina has a podcast: Bringing Education Home - https://feeds.captivate.fm/bringing-education-home/GET KRISTINA’S SPECIAL OFFER: Education at Home in 10 Simple StepsEducation at Home in 10 Simple Steps eBook is the guide for those who are ready to get started on their homeschool journey. Our #1 goal for this book is to help you feel comfortable taking the first, best step in your child’s education change.Value - Freehttps://link.vibrantfamilyeducation.com/widget/form/RZnPGWRIufhO8paew0I4Note from the show: Guest offers are almost always limited-time and limited quantity. If you have any trouble redeeming the offer please reach out directly to the guest for support.If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Emily Paulsen about the realities of being child free by choice. Emily joins from Chicago, Illinois.The audience will gain clarity on how to talk about family planning (or the lack thereof) with sensitivity, learn about the shifting landscape for Gen Z and Millennials, and explore the sometimes unseen ripple effects of opting out of parenthood.About Emily Paulsen: Emily Paulsen is an award-winning entrepreneur and happily childfree woman shining a light on the often overshadowed childfree-by-choice perspective. Whether interviewing innovative experts or positioning leaders to scale through her Brand Studio, Electric Collab, Emily’s power lies in allowing people to feel seen and celebrated for who they are . She’s spent years honing the ability to deeply understand and amplify others in an honest, high-impact way.Main Topics Covered:The evolving cultural conversation and data on living child free, including global trends and generational differences.Why representation matters—how seeing alternative life paths enables true personal choice, and the impact of visibility in media, workplaces, and families.Navigating family and friend reactions when "coming out" as child free, and why supportive communities make a difference.Workplace bias, caregiving double standards, and the ripple effects of assumptions about who will (or won’t) have children.The pressure, pain points, and social judgments embedded in conversations around parenthood—and what to say (or not say) to someone who is child free.How internal clarity and confidence develop over time, and the importance of talking about personal decisions openly but respectfully.The nuanced differences between being child free by choice and by circumstance, with discussion about language, labels, and surveys.The value of parallel life paths and rejecting the idea that one way of "adulting" is better than another.Quote from the Episode: "My goal is for women, for all people really, to understand themselves well enough to make a choice that's right for them. And I think that choice becomes a lot more fair when you see both sides of that decision." — Emily PaulsenTimestamps: [00:00:05] Amy welcomes Emily; Chicago’s winter wonderland; favorite winter activities[00:01:57] Child free by choice: Amy introduces the topic; Emily shares her passion for representation[00:02:30] Data and trends: declining birth rates, international comparisons, and generational shifts[00:04:23] Survey limitations: why it’s hard to research people’s choices and the categories of child free, childless, and more[00:08:57] Emily’s personal story: When she realized motherhood wasn’t for her, and how family scripts shape our view of adulthood[00:14:12] Barbie, representation, and the power of seeing alternatives in childhood play[00:15:04] Why it’s not about convincing others to be child free, but about informed, personal decision[00:17:58] The workplace: maternity leave, double standards, and caring for aging parents[00:20:05] The internal journey: relief, “awakening,” and the complexities of telling others about being child free[00:24:24] Sensitivity and conversations: Recognizing that choices about family are deeply personal and varied[00:26:27] Societal assumptions, parental expectations, and the generational “timeline”[00:34:07] The ripple effect: how choices echo through families and communities[00:37:40] Public conversations: intrusive questions, Uber driver moments, and survey double standards[00:41:37] On judgment, selfishness, and why choice—not sides—matters most[00:43:49] How workplace and community structures spark comparison among women (and why the problem isn’t kids vs. no kids)[00:51:31] Emily’s best advice for talking to child free adults: Don’t ask why, and be normal![00:52:18] About Emily’s podcast: “Curious Life of a Child Free Woman” and how to connectABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: https://www.curiouslifeofachildfreewoman.com/Listen to Emily Paulsen’s Show: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/curious-life-of-a-childfree-woman/id1777850561https://open.spotify.com/show/6sT7kPp4dOthbvXAFZPOBNIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportNever Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. Online Shopping Cart: ThriveCartNetworking and support with Entreprenista LeagueConnection with Polka Dot PowerhouseBooks I like and books written by show guests on Bookshop.orgGrab a $20 coupon for Nutrafol hereDo you need a bank account? Ally

In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Joanne Gates about navigating motherhood, career ambition, and the realities of working in the male-dominated tech industry. Joanne, joining from Scottsdale, Arizona, recounts her move from Boston to Seattle, her nearly 30-year career at Microsoft, and the pivotal choices she made as both a mom and a leader. Listeners will discover how Joanne carved out success in corporate America, confronted workplace bias, and now channels her expertise into coaching women to thrive at work and at home.About Joanne Gates:Joanne Gates is a certified executive life coach who helps professional women in tech and male-dominated industries unlock their career potential with clarity, confidence, and purpose. After a 30-year career at Microsoft—rising from entry-level to executive—Joanne now empowers women to overcome imposter syndrome, people-pleasing, and perfectionism while building authentic leadership presence. She’s especially known for helping women get promoted into senior leadership roles and then kick ass once they’re there—navigating high-stakes environments with emotional intelligence, strategic influence, and unapologetic power. Joanne blends deep empathy with sharp business acumen to help her clients lead boldly, drive impact, and rewrite the rules of leadership.Main Topics Covered:The life-altering impact of motherhood on career paths, especially for women in tech and male-dominated corporate environments.Facing and overcoming gender bias and assumptions about working mothers in the workplace.The challenges and family dynamics of being the primary breadwinner and having a stay-at-home dad partner in the late '90s and early 2000s.Navigating pivotal career decisions, missed opportunities, and the trade-offs of prioritizing family vs. pursuing senior leadership.Advocating for oneself in corporate hierarchies, especially when faced with unfair evaluations or lack of managerial support.The evolution (and limitations) of maternity leave policies and the importance of workplace systems that genuinely support parents.Joanne’s transition from a senior leader at Microsoft to executive and life coaching for women, with a focus on helping others define and achieve their own success.Practical tips for protecting your career trajectory, handling performance reviews, and knowing when (and how) to escalate workplace concerns.Quote from the Episode:"I felt like I had to, like, shake him by the shoulders… How many guys have to have this conversation? That just pisses me off. We have to because, obviously, it’s pretty apparent that we’re having a child." — Joanne GatesTimestamps: [00:00:04] Welcome, Joanne’s location, and adjusting to life in the desert [00:00:46] Childhood winter activities and chasing the sun [00:01:37] Introducing today’s topic: balancing motherhood and career [00:02:29] On generational change—and how much (or little) has shifted for working women [00:03:19] The Covid reset and women leaving corporate roles; Joanne’s new passion for helping women succeed [00:04:24] Joanne’s career start, move to Microsoft in the dot-com era [00:07:21] Early influences, engineering in college, and professional aspirations in a male-driven world [00:11:19] On early career choices, family expectations, and the pressure to decide your future “from a very young age” [00:13:14] Strategic family planning vs. reacting to life—how Joanne and her husband made tough choices [00:17:55] Deciding which parent would stay home, and the financial/logistical realities in a pre-remote work world [00:19:25] The loneliness and community gap for stay-at-home dads [00:22:18] Microsoft’s corporate culture around mothers in the ’90s/early 2000s—assumptions, bias, and policy limitations [00:25:27] The invisible penalty of motherhood: performance reviews, pay, and navigating “fairness” [00:31:10] Maternity leave policies then and now—fears around job security and returning to work [00:36:32] Systemic challenges: why do big companies struggle to change on women and family policy? [00:38:25] Lack of diversity, groupthink, and the value of disruptors in changing corporate culture [00:41:46] How Joanne stayed and thrived at Microsoft, even as most opted out [00:42:03] Major trade-offs: missing opportunities for the sake of family [00:47:06] Facing career setbacks, fighting for promotion, and deciding not to “rage quit” [00:53:12] Tactical advice: documenting your worth, knowing when—and how—to advocate for yourself [00:55:01] Joanne’s mission now: mentoring and coaching women in corporate life [00:56:08] What’s different for working women today, and a special offer for listeners [00:57:27] Lightning round: morning routines, relaxation, and spending on selfABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.GET JOANNE GATES’ SPECIAL OFFER: 4 Steps to Navigate Your Career Journey workbookA Free PDF that provides actionable steps to demystify the steps to landing your next job, or that job several years in the future.Link to download the pdf: https://www.execcoachjoanne.com/4stepsworkbookIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportNever Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Lilli Bewley about breaking relationship patterns, healing childhood wounds, and rediscovering identity through the lens of love and dating. Calling in from sunny Phoenix, Arizona, Lilli shares her transformative journey as a self-described “cycle breaker,” moving from performing life to authentic alignment and connection. Listeners will gain insight into how childhood experiences shape adult relationships, the power of inner work, and how clarity on needs and self-worth can radically transform one’s dating experience and overall well-being.About Lilli Bewley: Lilli Bewley is a Dating Coach for Finding Love with over 10 years of experience in personal development. She, herself, went from just surviving in life to thriving in love & purpose. Currently, she is helping single & successful women love dating & find true love.Main Topics Covered:The role of childhood patterns and family models in shaping adult relationships and self-worth.Recognizing and breaking unhealthy cycles as a conscious, courageous act—and what it means to be a “cycle breaker.”Moving from high achievement and people-pleasing to inner alignment and authentic identity.The importance and challenges of communicating needs rather than just emotions, especially for women who have experienced trauma or dysfunction.How “performing life” and transactional self-worth show up in dating, career, and family—and the work required to shift toward true fulfillment.Faith, spirituality, and overcoming religious trauma as sources of guidance and healing, regardless of doctrine.Why inner transformation is the foundation for success in dating—and how dating apps can be used as a practice ground for self-awareness and boundary-setting.Lilli’s framework for feminine dating archetypes and the “magnetic woman,” and how understanding these archetypes accelerates healing and connection.Quote from the Episode: “There are parts of us that believe that we have to be bright and shiny, we have to be a certain way, we have to be a certain weight, we have to have a certain number in our bank account. Most women are in this transactional relationship with self, with love, and with performing—meaning, ‘If I’m sexy, then I’ll get love.’”—Lilli BewleyTimestamps: [00:00:04] Amy welcomes Lilli Bewley and asks about her location in Phoenix, AZ[00:01:10] Lilli shares her love for Phoenix’s winter weather and outdoor activities[00:02:10] Pivot to love, relationships, and the theme of alignment and identity[00:03:26] Lilli describes the impact of childhood patterns, early trauma, and the start of her inner healing journey over a decade ago[00:06:25] Moving through high achievement, validation-seeking, and emptiness to see root causes of self-worth issues[00:08:58] Amy and Lilli discuss awareness of recurring patterns and what it means to break cycles, especially as the oldest sibling[00:10:23] Lilli explains her life situation at the turning point—working in corporate America and in an unfulfilling relationship[00:12:10] The nuanced challenge of communication: expressing needs and understanding core wounds[00:14:07] Amy relates mediation and conflict patterns to relationship dynamics[00:16:19] Lilli reflects on her past—chameleon tendencies, people pleasing, feeling unsafe to be herself, and lack of purpose[00:19:45] Lilli describes reaching a glass ceiling and catalyzing transformation with support from books, therapy, and her niece/nephew[00:23:23] Lilli shares her experience of deep crisis and hearing “God’s voice” as a turning point in her healing journey[00:25:58] Spirituality and faith—Lilli’s journey from religious trauma to finding purpose and identity[00:29:52] The concept of performing life versus living in alignment; unpacking transactional worth[00:33:35] Societal pressures and social media—why these cycles persist for younger generations[00:34:41] Transitioning from a corporate job to becoming a dating coach focused on inner transformation[00:35:55] Lilli’s feminine dating archetypes and the “magnetic woman”—attracting healthy love from a place of alignment[00:39:00] Coaching focus and inclusivity—working primarily with women, but on identity and self-first foundations[00:40:21] The role of dating apps, changing patterns, and using apps for practice and self-growth[00:44:45] Lilli’s shoutout to her podcast and quiz; final rapid fire questions on sunrises, Amazon blue blockers, tipping, and gratitudeABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: Feminine Dating Archetype Quiz: DatingArchetype.comIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportNever Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Susan Hyatt about the realities and myths of diet culture, beauty standards, and the rise of "menopause culture." Broadcasting from Indiana in the Midwest, Susan shares her journey as a life coach and author, unveiling the motivations behind her anti-diet philosophy and the process of publishing her book, "Bear." Together, Amy and Susan candidly explore the evolving influence of social media, the challenge of visibility for women, and how aging and menopause are newly commodified—and what it means to choose self-support instead of self-policing.About Susan Hyatt: Susan Hyatt is a Master Certified Life Coach, Bestselling Author, and TEDx Speaker. She’s on a mission to ignite 'Big Yes Energy' in women everywhere. From boosting your bank account to supercharging your self-confidence, from elevating your energy levels to amplifying your joy, Susan is the go-to expert for women who want more.With 18 years of coaching experience under her belt, Susan has guided thousands of women through their personal revolutions. She's a crusader against diet culture and a vocal advocate for closing gaps – in wages, confidence, and yes, even orgasms.She is also the creator of BARE - a groundbreaking process that’s inspired women all over the world to stop shrinking their bodies and start expanding their lives.Susan's impactful work has graced national TV, leading podcasts, and top magazines including O: The Oprah Magazine, Cosmopolitan, Seventeen, Woman’s World, and Call Her Daddy. Her dedication to women's empowerment and entrepreneurship also earned her a spot as a finalist for the prestigious Athena Award.When she's not hyping up her clients, leading epic retreats, or making a scene, Susan can be found weightlifting, marathon training, globetrotting, or cozying up in her hygge corner. She’s also not shy about advocating for equality at home, regularly reminding her husband about the importance of sharing the "invisible workload," so she can continue to earn big and play big.Main Topics Covered:How Susan’s anti-diet philosophy was born from personal experience and coaching hundreds of women.Navigating the publishing industry: the challenges, rejections, and creative solutions Susan found on her way to releasing "Bear."Unpacking "diet culture," "beauty culture," and "menopause culture"—what these terms mean and how they impact women.The emotional risk and motivation behind becoming a visible voice for body freedom and wellness.The backlash and online criticism women face when sharing their stories—and how to use privilege for advocacy.Aging, menopause, and influencer advice: noticing the parallels between traditional diet culture and new "menopause fixes."The importance of quality information, body intuition, and skepticism amid wellness fads and changing research.Creating sustainable health and strength in midlife, beyond competitive extremes and compliance for its own sake.Building offline and online communities for support and connection in the age of instant digital feedback.Quote from the Episode: "I'm not gonna shut up because I have big boobs and blonde hair and blue eyes. Like, that's ridiculous. And also, like, oh, so the only people who get to speak out about this are the most oppressed, or is this the oppression Olympics? ...I still have experienced these things over here. And there are a lot of women who benefit from me speaking up and telling my story." — Susan HyattTimestamps: [00:00:04] Welcome to Susan Hyatt; Midwest roots and prepping for a winter release [00:01:05] Discussing comfort with cold and extreme weather [00:01:17] The decision to write a book about diet and beauty culture [00:02:06] How coaching women sparked the Bear philosophy [00:03:29] Susan’s publishing journey: self-publishing vs. traditional, agent search, and rejections [00:08:11] The motivation behind pushing through barriers—helping women be free of diet culture rules [00:10:53] Definitions of diet culture, beauty culture, menno culture [00:12:18] The courage to be publicly visible and tell your story [00:13:54] Navigating online backlash—privilege, representation, and “oppression Olympics” [00:19:09] Aging and new forms of diet culture targeting menopause and longevity [00:21:33] Why influencer solutions often mirror old food rules, and the importance of discernment [00:25:51] Responsibility in sharing wellness information and empowering body intuition [00:27:50] Functional strength, quality of life, and rethinking longevity goals [00:32:10] Personal experiences with perimenopause and advocating for health support [00:34:07] Growing up with Southern “nice girl” messaging and the evolution of openness [00:36:55] How to filter wellness information and cope with changing recommendations [00:39:07] Trying different approaches and honoring individual guidance [00:40:59] Consistency over competition in health and fitness routines [00:41:58] Instant feedback culture online and its impact on sharing stories [00:43:04] Finding community online and offline; building supportive spaces [00:47:09] Susan’s current programs, retreats, and resources for women [00:48:41] Rapid-fire favorites—book recommendations and travel dreams [00:51:19] Closing gratitude and anticipation for the episode airingABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: https://www.susanhyatt.coIf you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Kimberly Brown about navigating major career transitions, the search for authentic self-fulfillment, and the power of mindfulness and meditation in overcoming anxiety. Joining Amy from New York City, Kimberly opens up about leaving behind years of psychoanalytic training in favor of a path rooted in Buddhist-inspired meditation. Listeners will learn how Kimberly’s journey through personal anxiety and professional “wrong turns” led her to a sense of belonging, self-compassion, and a thriving vocation as a meditation teacher.Kimberly Brown is a meditation teacher and author. She leads classes and retreats that emphasize the power of compassion and kindness meditation to reconnect us to ourselves and others. She studies in both the Tibetan and Insight schools of Buddhism and is a certified mindfulness instructor. Her latest book, Happy Relationships: 25 Buddhist Practices to Transform Your Connection with Your Partner, Family, and Friends, was recently released by Rowman & Littlefield. You can learn more about Kimberly at www.meditationwithheart.comMain Topics Covered:Coping with the pressure and expectations to “get it right” in career and education choices.The impact of post-9/11 life changes and the urgent drive for deeper meaning.Why traditional psychoanalysis and diagnostic labels didn’t resonate—and how compassion shifted her approach.Transforming painful anxiety and panic attacks into motivation for personal growth.The science and practice of mindfulness and meditation, including Buddhist perspectives.How belonging and acceptance—both internally and within a community—can heal and empower.Overcoming the belief that something is “wrong” with you and embracing inherent goodness.Building a business and life around self-compassion, meditation, and helping others connect authentically.Quote from the Episode: "I began to feel that there was nothing wrong with anybody. And I don't... that doesn't mean we all have troubles. I just never felt like, well, anybody's really broken, right? We just have our stuff and we have to, you know, take care of it and understand it." — Kimberly BrownTimestamps: [00:00:04] Introduction & warm-up: New York roots, upstate escapes, and favorite flowers[00:02:34] Career change: From HR and psychoanalytic training to questioning the diagnostic process[00:09:02] 9/11 as a catalyst for dramatic life transitions[00:12:07] The essential role of a healing therapist and the inspiration to help others[00:13:31] The drive to return to school, lifelong learning, and giving oneself grace in change[00:17:27] Discomfort with diagnosing mental health, and the story of an authentic therapeutic relationship[00:21:19] Discussion of Freud, medical coding, and the industrial complex of American healthcare[00:26:56] Struggles with professional modality and the need for real human connection[00:30:49] Personal challenges: panic attacks, anxiety, and unexpected traumas[00:34:01] Discovering meditation and mindfulness through yoga and Buddhist centers[00:37:27] Building a new path—belonging, retreats, teaching, and gratitude for healing[00:41:12] The power of acceptance, belonging, and Buddhist teachings in everyday life[00:45:41] Science catches up: neuroscience validates the benefits of meditation and compassion[00:46:39] Inherent capacity for compassion and re-framing cultural narratives around brokennessABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.GET KIMBERLY BROWN'S SPECIAL OFFER: Free One Month Subscription to my weekly Substack newsletter, Meditation with Heart email kim@meditationwithheart.com to redeem this offer.If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Sabrina Harrison about body image, self-acceptance, and the transformative power of boudoir photography—both behind and in front of the lens. Joining from Westminster, Colorado, Sabrina shares her personal experience of gifting boudoir photos to her husband, which unexpectedly became a journey of reclaiming her own confidence and reshaping her photography business. The conversation explores how images impact self-concept, the realities of postpartum body changes, and actionable strategies to build self-love.About Sabrina Harrison: Sabrina has a degree in photography from the University of Virginia. She moved to Colorado in 2016 with her husband and 2 dogs. She is currently working as a boudoir, retreat, and branding photographer in Westminster, Colorado. Sabrina is a huge reader and personal development junkie. She loves skiing, hiking, tea, tacos, and eclairs. Sabrina is the proud mother of 3 children, 2 bio and 1 bonus. Sabrina is a seasoned expert in confidence coaching and brand strategy, dedicated to empowering individuals to embrace themselves and unlock their potential through art and capturing their true essence behind her lens.Main Topics Covered:How boudoir photography can become an act of self-love and empowerment.The emotional journey of stepping in front of the camera as a photographer, including vulnerability, trust, and letting go of control.The impact of postpartum body changes on confidence and identity, and how photography can help reframe these experiences.Specific techniques for cultivating self-acceptance, including affirmation strategies and mirror work.Challenging social beauty standards and learning to see yourself with compassion.How Sabrina’s personal photo session led her to niche her business and help other women transform their own self-image.The philosophy behind presenting images as a “kinder lens” compared to self-critique.Practical tips for anyone feeling critical or uncomfortable in front of a camera, starting with small steps and mindset shifts.Quote from the Episode: "This is literally looking at myself through a kinder lens than I do maybe in the mirror. And I really wanted to try to create that for other people." — Sabrina HarrisonTimestamps: [00:00:05] — Welcome & introductions; Sabrina shares where she calls home [00:00:30] — Warm-up questions on Valentine’s Day gifts and personal preferences [00:02:18] — Episode focus: the meaning behind boudoir photography and Sabrina’s story [00:02:49] — Sabrina’s roots in photography: family legacy and first camera memories [00:06:10] — The origin story: deciding to gift boudoir photos to her husband after childbirth [00:07:47] — Insights from Rumi: action creates clarity [00:11:00] — What is boudoir photography? Sabrina explains the spectrum of style and comfort [00:12:00] — Facing nerves and the reality of body image post-baby; not being documented in family photos [00:13:13] — Surrendering creative control; empathy for clients’ experience [00:16:06] — How the experience unexpectedly transformed Sabrina’s business [00:17:16] — Shedding mental baggage and embracing new self-love postpartum [00:19:15] — Common body image fears, dysmorphia, and how photography can heal [00:21:25] — Confronting “imperfections” vs. seeing yourself as you are through photos [00:24:37] — Uncovering childhood limiting beliefs and the emotional impact of being photographed [00:28:03] — The ongoing process of building confidence and putting yourself out there [00:29:49] — First impressions of seeing photos: relief, pride, and letting go of old stories [00:31:16] — From personal transformation to business niche: helping others love themselves [00:34:07] — Sabrina’s approach to client self-confidence: mirror work, neutral affirmations, and ask-formations [00:36:10] — Where to find Sabrina Harrison Photography online and details of her free confidence workshop for listeners [00:37:36] — Fun closing questions: travel tips, online shopping, and favorite low-stakes holiday moviesABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: @sabrinaharrisonphotography on InstagramIf you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Brittany Cano about navigating burnout, trauma, and transformation as an ICU nurse during the COVID pandemic. Based in Florida, Brittany shares her shift from hospital nursing to holistic wellness coaching. Listeners will discover insights about nervous system regulation, overcoming grief, and redefining adult identity after major life transitions.About Brittany Cano:Brittany Cano is a Holistic Nurse Coach and wellness expert with over 20 years of nursing experience and a decade of running her own holistic wellness practice. Her work was born from her personal healing journey, transforming shame, perfectionism, and self-criticism into self-compassion, embodiment, and wholeness. Drawing from her background in nursing, somatic healing, and holistic coaching, Brittany helps others reconnect with their bodies, regulate their nervous systems, and reclaim their energy and worth. She is passionate about guiding others to move beyond burnout and live in alignment with their most authentic selves.Main Topics Covered:Facing trauma and burnout as an ICU nurse in New York and Baltimore during the first wave of the COVID pandemic.Navigating cultural contrasts in pandemic response between Northeast cities and Florida.The psychological impact of working in intensive care and why teamwork and humor were survival tools.The move from traditional nursing to holistic wellness coaching—motivated by a desire to focus on prevention, longevity, and emotional well-being.Recognizing burnout through physical symptoms and exploring the deep connection between mind, body, and trauma.Using self-reflection, nervous system regulation, and somatic practices to heal and support others.Overcoming guilt and identity challenges when leaving behind a respected profession for more authentic life and work.Brittany’s approach to holistic healing: biopsychosocial-spiritual, including retreats, coaching, and innovative tools like peptide protocols.Timestamps:[00:00:07] Amy welcomes Brittany & introduces Thanksgiving leftovers conversation[00:01:46] Shifting from holiday talk to Brittany’s pandemic experience as an ICU nurse[00:02:45] Standing out moments from early COVID, patient stories, teamwork, emotional toll[00:05:03] Navigating uncertainty, hazmat suits, and contrasting pandemic cultures in Florida vs. Northeast[00:08:07] Brittany’s holistic wellness side hustle and the motivation to leave bedside nursing[00:09:43] The importance of preventative health and avoiding hospitalization[00:13:02] Early career decisions: psychology dreams, practical nursing choices, and college costs[00:15:01] Grief, personal trauma, and the healing power of holistic coaching[00:18:58] Defining “holistic”—mind, body, social, and spiritual interconnectedness in wellness[00:21:16] Brittany discovers the root of her burnout and GI symptoms, and the need for deeper healing[00:26:27] The challenge of self-awareness during burnout; learning from “rushing woman syndrome”[00:29:59] Ayahuasca experience, trauma healing, and how divine timing guided Brittany’s journey[00:33:33] How pandemic trauma reverberates for healthcare workers and all adults[00:34:28] Key choices: Slowing down, quitting alcohol, retreat to India, and leaving hospital work[00:38:22] Letting go of job identity and security blanket challenges during adult reinvention[00:44:28] Reflections on childhood grief, therapy, and what adults can do for grieving kids[00:48:28] Brittany outlines her holistic coaching offers, retreats, and peptide protocols for healing[00:51:51] Final questions: Morning routines, reading habits, and travel preferencesABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.GET BRITTANY CANO'S SPECIAL OFFER: Discover Elevated WellBeing Consult:a 45-minute holistic wellness consultation designed to help you gain clarity on what’s draining your energy and what your body truly needs to heal. You’ll receive a guided assessment and compassionate support to uncover the root causes of stress, fatigue, or imbalance. Walk away with personalized insight, practical next steps, and a clear path to elevate your wellBeing. Visit www.HolisticNurseCoaches.com to schedule.If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportNever Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Colette Fehr about marriage, divorce, and the impact of family dynamics on adult relationships. Based in Orlando, Florida, Colette candidly shares her journey from growing up in a traditional, conflict-filled New York household to navigating her own early marriage, divorce, and eventual career as a couples therapist. Listeners will gain insights into how childhood experiences unconsciously shape relationship choices, why emotional disconnection—not conflict—is a leading destroyer of marriages, and how to have the difficult conversations that lead to lasting love.About Colette Fehr:Colette Jane Fehr is a licensed psychotherapist and nationally recognized relationship expert. She’s the author of The Cost of Quiet: How to Have the Hard Conversations That Create Secure, Lasting Love, coming out February 2026 from Putnam and Penguin Random House. Colette co-hosts the hit podcast Insights from the Couch: Real Talk for Women at Midlife and Love Thy Neighbor: The Relationship Show, and her TEDx talk Secrets of a Couples Therapist was selected as a TED Editors’ Pick.Main Topics Covered:How childhood family dynamics, including loud conflict and divorce, shape unconscious patterns in adult relationships and marriageThe myth that successful relationships are free of conflict, and why learning to handle conflict constructively is essentialColette’s experience of getting married young, going through divorce, and raising children—often counter to her peer group’s expectationsThe societal and generational stigmas around divorce, especially for women, and why leaving can be the healthiest choiceThe journey from “good girl” people-pleasing and self-abandonment to finding one’s voice and boundaries in relationshipsRecognizing fawning and people-pleasing as trauma responses—and the path to unlearning them for healthier loveThe importance of seeking skilled, specialized couples therapy (including discernment counseling) and not all therapists are equally equippedColette’s book "The Cost of Quiet: How to Have the Hard Conversations That Create Secure, Lasting Love," with practical tools for women to confidently express their needsQuote from the Episode: "The number one factor that destroys relationships is emotional disconnection. Not arguing, not having differences, not even infidelity. It’s disconnection." — Colette FehrTimestamps: [00:00:06] Introduction and guest welcome; Colette shares her New Yorker roots and years in Orlando, Florida[00:00:43] What Colette loves about Orlando: eternal sunshine and multiculturalism[00:01:02] Introducing today’s topic: marriage and divorce[00:01:21] Colette’s personal history: two marriages, one divorce[00:01:45] Early marriage story—married at 24, divorced at 31, balancing motherhood and changing social circles[00:04:13] How parents’ marriage and conflict modeled relationship dynamics for Colette[00:06:51] The myth of “no conflict” in healthy relationships and the real importance of constructive communication[00:08:37] How Colette’s childhood influenced her career choice as a therapist[00:10:55] The cultural stigma of divorce in Irish Catholic New York during the 1980s[00:13:01] Research on divorce: why co-parenting quality, not marital status, predicts child well-being[00:15:07] Divorce as a part of social change: women initiating divorce and the evolving expectations of marriage[00:16:55] How early family wounds and societal narratives unconsciously shaped Colette’s partner choice[00:18:32] Unpacking the unconscious versus lessons learned only through experience[00:21:01] The “representative” self in courtship versus the reality of living together[00:22:14] Colette’s road to becoming a couples therapist after a bad counseling experience[00:27:43] The pitfalls of seeking therapy only at the “brink of divorce” and losing one’s voice in marriage[00:28:44] People-pleasing, trauma, fawning, and self-abandonment explained[00:31:51] Strategies to shift from survival (fawning) to authentic communication[00:32:15] Who Colette told first about her decision to divorce, and the resulting social fallout[00:34:31] Colette’s professional platforms: her podcasts, radio presence, TEDx talk, and new bookColette’s TedX Talk can be found here:https://youtu.be/8tSUOB2yEd0?si=XdHPdEwuSJeyzkRvWebsite: https://www.insightsfromthecouch.org/Book: The Cost of Quiet https://bookshop.org/a/87491/9780593852743ABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.Note from the show: Guest offers are almost always limited-time and limited quantity. If you have any trouble redeeming the offer please reach out directly to the guest for support.If you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comIf you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Holly Bot about the dramatic realities of incarceration, stigma, and transformation following a prison sentence. Based in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Holly shares her deeply personal story of serving eight years in prison, the personal and social challenges she faced, and the path toward self-forgiveness and growth. The conversation explores how shame, desperation, and loneliness can lead to life-altering decisions—and how humility, faith, and compassion became central to Holly’s journey beyond incarceration.Holly Bot is a speaker, author and IT professional living in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Above all she treasures her roles as wife and mother. She is the author of From Surviving to Living, a memoir of her prison experiences.Main Topics Covered:The hidden realities and emotional shock of the criminal justice process, from arrest to sentencing to prison life.Generational and cultural stigma around women, motherhood, and criminal behavior—and its ripple effects on family and identity.Mental health, burnout, and the consequences of isolation, particularly for mothers and caregivers in crisis.How shame, secrecy, and lack of support can escalate risky decisions—and what ignoring “red flags” can look like in real life.The complex, lasting stigma of being labeled a felon or sex offender, including public perception and daily-life limitations post-release.Holly’s revelations in self-identity, humility, and personal growth through faith while incarcerated.The role of compassion—for oneself and others—when reckoning with past mistakes and striving to help others avoid similar pain.Candid discussion of re-entry into society, employment challenges, and creating hope for those affected by incarceration.Quote from the Episode:“I created my most worst nightmare and then was forced to live it out. The stigma is real. I think that any prison sentence is a life sentence, even if you only served a year on the facility, because you are a felon forever.” — Holly BotTimestamps: [00:00:05] Warm-up questions and introduction; Holly’s home in Minneapolis[00:01:14] Setup of today’s dramatic conversation about incarceration[00:02:07] Holly explains the lead-up and facts about her crime and sentencing[00:06:39] Life before prison: family background, isolation, and mounting emotional stress[00:12:53] Examining the motivations, confusion, and factors leading to life-altering choices[00:18:43] The power of loneliness and unmet validation; lack of support network[00:23:42] How desire to be seen and desperate problem-solving played into criminal behavior[00:27:02] What prison was really like for women in Minnesota[00:30:41] Finding humility, faith, and inner change during incarceration[00:37:01] Stigma, public shame, and how Holly’s crimes affected her children and family[00:43:07] Lasting consequences of a felony conviction and life post-release[00:46:13] Employment, transparency, and reintegration into the community[00:48:27] Why Holly wrote her book—to give others hope earlier in the healing process[00:51:13] Compassion, self-forgiveness, and understanding others’ pain[00:52:19] Book information and a special offer for listeners[00:53:06] The final three rapid-fire questions—morning routines, online shopping, and lottery dreamsABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.GET Holly’s Book: From Surviving to Living https://bookshop.org/a/87491/9781257952328If you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comIf you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Lindsey Tague about the realities and transformations of embracing a full-time nomadic lifestyle. Based out of New York but self-described as a true global citizen, Lindsey shares her journey from corporate burnout to launching a freelance business and ultimately untethering herself from a traditional home. Listeners will gain honest insights into the logistics, myths, emotional shifts, and practicalities of going nomadic, including how Lindsey balanced work, travel, safety concerns, and building a remote community.About Lindsey Tague :Lindsey Tague is a freelance content marketing consultant, brand storyteller, Substack creator of "A Life By Design", and a full-time digital nomad currently based in Mexico City. My passion besides latin dancing is to inspire others to break free from the matrix to discover what their life by design looks like.Main Topics Covered:Breaking free from corporate burnout and launching a location-independent freelance business.Overcoming fears, family risk narratives, and the myths around solo travel for women.The critical importance of connecting to one’s “why” when setting (and sustaining) ambitious life goals.Step-by-step logistics of transitioning from a stable home base to global nomadism: moving out, purging belongings, managing storage, and letting go of a car.Navigating finances, location choices, and the realities of working while traveling abroad—especially the time zone challenge between US and Europe.Methods for building connection and finding community on the road—Facebook expat groups, WhatsApp chats, and hostel culture.Evolving travel rhythms: shifting from rapid destination hopping to longer stays and considering where to potentially “set down roots.”The creation and philosophy behind Lindsey’s “Life by Design” substack, and her new offer to help other women build their own sustainable nomadic lifestyles.Quote from the Episode: "You cannot plan this lifestyle. Even just the transition, the leap... you can say, I’ll pick where I want to go and for how long, but the logistics and figuring things out, you don’t know what it’s going to be like until you’re there." — Lindsey TagueTimestamps: [00:00:06] Introduction & Lindsey’s nomadic definition of “home” [00:01:03] Lindsey’s strategy for sticking with big goals—connecting to “why” [00:02:14] Origin of the travel dream and decision-making process [00:05:41] Leaving corporate, working at a startup, and burnout triggers [00:08:32] Laid off, starting a freelance business, and monetizing skills [00:12:24] Pandemic timeline, moving out, and managing belongings [00:14:45] Logistics: purging, storage unit, selling furniture, and handling a car [00:19:06] Anticipated myths and fears, especially about safety and money [00:21:19] First step: solo travel to Tulum, Mexico, and lessons learned [00:23:44] Work-life balance and time zone tips for digital nomads [00:29:13] Building community while traveling—Facebook groups, WhatsApp, and hostels [00:32:22] Shifting travel rhythms and the search for belonging [00:34:25] Lindsey’s evolution: freelance business, substack, and new coaching offer [00:37:40] Rapid fire: making new places feel homey, travel hacks, and favorite books [00:41:31] Closing thoughts and where to find Lindsey’s resources and special offerFind Lindsey Tague on Substack: https://lindseytague.substack.com/p/a-life-by-design-and-what-five-yearsABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: Find Lindsey Tague on Substack: https://lindseytague.substack.com/p/a-life-by-design-and-what-five-yearsIf you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Mary Alice Stephens about her journey from high-functioning alcoholic housewife to sobriety and self-acceptance. Based in Marin County, California, Mary Alice Stephens shares candid reflections on growing up in a family with a deep culture of drinking, how alcohol shaped her adult social and professional life, and the pivotal moment that led to quitting for good. This conversation is packed with insights for anyone sober-curious, struggling with social anxiety, or navigating recovery—highlighting the emotional transformation and lasting inner peace Mary Alice discovered on the other side of addiction.Mary Alice Stephens is a creative nonfiction storyteller. A former television writer-producer for HGTV, Food Network, and other media outlets, Mary shares her powerful story of alcoholism, recovery, and starting life anew at 45 in her debut book, Uncorked: A Memoir of Letting Go and Starting Over, which was an Amazon #1 new release in both alcoholism recovery and midlife self-help. She earned her Master of Fine Arts in creative writing from Dominican University of California and lives in Northern California.Main Topics Covered:Family dynamics and the impact of generational drinking culture on identity.The connection between alcohol use and social anxiety, especially in adolescent and young adult years.Why high-functioning alcoholism often goes unseen and unaddressed.The emotional patterns underlying compulsive drinking and attempts to “fit in.”How motherhood, social circles, “wine o’clock” culture, and marketing influence women’s relationship with alcohol.The myth of needing alcohol for fun, relaxation, and connection.Breaking through denial: recognizing the “noise” and compulsion around drinking.Mary Alice’s turning point—her emotional “bottom” moment—and the first steps she took towards sobriety.The role of AA, supportive friendships, and the shift to genuine self-acceptance.What life after drinking really looks like: socializing, cravings, and building authentic peace.Quote from the Episode: "It was the first time that I thought quitting would bring relief." — Mary Alice StephensTimestamps: [00:00:05] Welcome and intro; Mary Alice’s Marin County roots[00:00:55] Mary Alice’s approach to planning and organization; past career as a producer[00:01:29] The fabric of family drinking—Irish Catholic traditions and first encounters with alcohol[00:03:54] Family sobriety “lore,” exposure to addiction, and role models[00:05:06] Alcohol as a social coping strategy—high school, college, TV & advertising industry culture[00:07:21] Early awareness of problem drinking; risky behavior and denial[00:08:26] Serious consequences: breaking her back while drinking abroad, denial, and hiding issues[00:09:35] The “happy drunk” vs. other archetypes, and why her habits flew under the radar[00:11:28] Drinking as self-medication—connection, anxiety reduction, grief, loneliness[00:13:24] Childhood social anxiety, disconnection, and perceptions of ease in others[00:16:37] Facing what quitting means—social isolation, mom groups, and the grip of habit[00:21:18] Emotional bottom: blackout in front of kids and the decision to quit[00:23:53] Turning to AA and finding help through community[00:25:00] Understanding alcoholism as compulsion and internal noise[00:27:16] Double standards and gender roles—women, moms, and the marketing of alcohol[00:30:19] The real first step towards sober living[00:32:23] Relief and internal transformation—moving away from shame, anxiety, and mom judgment[00:33:31] Life after alcohol—socializing, cravings, what changes[00:34:46] Favorite sober beverages and handling social situations[00:36:46] Comparing 2010 drinking days to life now—contentment and inner peace[00:38:25] Mary Alice’s book, memoir details, and listener special offer[00:39:25] Fun lightning round—potluck dish, favorite books, self-care splurges, and final goodbyesFree copy of the book to the first person who messages Mary at her instagram account. @maryalicestephenswritesABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.If you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.comIf you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with D'Layne Benson about navigating burnout, self-abandonment, and the transformative power of breathwork for overwhelmed women. D'Layne shares her journey from the ski resort town of Haley, Idaho, highlighting the impact of over-functioning as a nurse, the emotional toll of family demands, and the personal reckoning brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic. This conversation is packed with actionable insight on nervous system regulation, finding joy, and creating boundaries—key lessons for anyone feeling stretched too thin.D'Layne Benson is a former nurse turned nurse coach and breathwork facilitator, devoted to helping perfectionist, people-pleasing, and overachieving women move from overwhelm to balance, joy, and self-acceptance. Based in Idaho, she draws on her own experience of burnout, family caregiving, and personal growth to support women in uncovering their patterns and building tailored strategies for healing. D'Layne offers both group breathwork classes and one-to-one coaching, specializing in trauma-informed, transformative methods for nervous system regulation.Main Topics Covered:Caring for others vs. caring for yourself: How self-abandonment develops and shows up in high-achieving womenThe realities of burnout as a nurse in rural and pandemic-era IdahoUnderstanding the freeze response and nervous system dysregulation beyond “fight or flight”Breaking patterns of people-pleasing and perfectionism, especially at midlifeThe intersection of personal upheaval (career, health, family illness) and hormonal changes (perimenopause)How breathwork can foster insight, healing, and tangible emotional releaseSteps for moving from overwhelm to joy: list-making, boundaries, and intentional transitionsThe value of finding fun, building presence, and redefining achievement beyond productivityQuote from the Episode: "I was trying to control my husband, I was trying to control my stepson, I was helicopter momming him, I was trying to control my in-laws, I was trying to control my parents. I was trying to control every aspect of life. ... While I felt the control was giving me safety, it was actually the thing that was keeping me from living a beautiful life and thriving." — D'Layne BensonTimestamps: [00:00:06] Welcome to The Art of Imperfect Adulting; D'Layne’s Idaho mountain home[00:01:21] Motivation and how to find the fun in tough projects[00:02:55] List-making, overwhelm, and the power of single-task focus[00:05:33] Life before the pandemic: nursing, family setup, and being “the rock”[00:09:44] Family relationships: husband’s brain injuries, stepson, and self-development[00:14:13] Everything collapsing: pandemic stress, family illness, perimenopause[00:19:34] Why nursing and “helping” became an identity; childhood patterns of achievement and abandonment[00:26:50] Freeze response explained: hidden anxiety in high-performing women[00:32:11] Journey to breathwork: when self-help shifted from helping others to herself[00:39:29] Breakthrough in breathwork: realizing control and safety patterns[00:43:11] Explaining transformative breathwork vs. “just taking a deep breath”[00:47:34] What life looks like now: presence, intention, and happiness after transformation[00:51:27] D'Layne’s current work, virtual breathwork classes, and where to find her[00:54:24] Special listener offer: free live breathwork class (code: imperfectadulting)[00:54:10] Final lightning round: streaming apps, grocery cravings, best social media buy[00:56:06] Closing thank you and reflection on the episodeABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.CONNECT WITH THE GUEST: [Guest Name]'s website and social media linksGET D’Layne Benson’s SPECIAL OFFER: Free Virtual Transformative Breathwork Class Use code IMPERFECTADULTING at checkout to join one live breathwork class of your choice — completely free. https://linktr.ee/dlaynebensonwellness?utm_source=linktree_profile_share&ltsid=16708a11-6fed-4dc3-a19c-a46b7ad33c66Join the conversation on social. Find the Art of Imperfect Adulting on Instagram @theartof_imperfect_adulting YouTube @imperfectadulting and TikTok @imperfectadultingIf you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? 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In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Joanna Lilley about supporting young adults who are struggling in college and navigating transitional moments in early adulthood. Joanna, based in Traverse City, Michigan, shares her experience as a therapeutic consultant working with students who step away from college, as well as the challenges faced by their parents. Joanna offers actionable insights for parents navigating this stage, highlights the developmental shifts in emerging adulthood, and discusses her journey from higher education to entrepreneurship.About Joanna Lilley: Since 2016, Lilley Consulting has been helping young adults (18+) find mental health, substance use, and wellness resources.  Joanna dedicates herself to working solely with emerging adults who unravel in college or aren’t thriving in adulthood. She also hosts the “Success is Subjective” podcast, which can be found on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and iHeartRadio.Main Topics Covered:The realities and pressures facing college students—including mental health, substance use, and identity formation.Why stepping away from college isn't a failure, and how families can reframe this experience for growth.The impact of technology and social media on young adult connection, comparison, and wellbeing.How parents can support their young adults with boundaries, communication, and community—especially when navigating house rules and independence.Joanna’s story: The pivotal moment when a student asked for direct help and how it led her to launch her consulting practice.Why stigma, secrecy, and “highlight reel” culture make it difficult for families to seek support when young adults struggle.The business side of helping families: Joanna’s role as a therapeutic consultant, speaking to both parents and young adults as distinct clients.The importance of community for parents of young adults—resources, vulnerability, and how to find safe spaces.Quote from the Episode: “It really begins with a reflection. Last year, how did things go? What are the areas that I want to work on? ... It starts with the reflection first and foremost to get that baseline and then identify kind of the visioning for change for the future.”— Joanna LilleyTimestamps: [00:00:06] Amy greets Joanna Lilley, who calls Traverse City, Michigan home. [00:01:19] Joanna discusses her approach to fresh starts rooted in self-reflection. [00:02:39] Joanna explains her former role as a college success coach and involvement in a suspension deferral program for students with substance issues. [00:04:37] Joanna describes her non-linear path into higher ed and passion for supporting young adults. [00:09:58] Joanna defines her current practice: helping “stepping away” college students—and why college isn’t for everyone. [00:12:21] The perfect storm facing today’s young adults: autonomy, connection, and the impact of tech and social media. [00:19:35] Tips for parents: shifting to a “parenting young adults” mindset, setting collaborative house rules. [00:23:50] The vulnerability and isolation of parents whose children struggle; finding supportive communities. [00:25:29] Joanna’s “lightning bolt” moment—helping a student who had been suspended and how institutional limitations inspired her business model. [00:31:01] Joanna navigates the intersection of service and entrepreneurship, helping parents and young adults. [00:39:20] Joanna’s official business description, what therapeutic consulting looks like, and how to get in touch. [00:41:26] Fun Questions: Joanna shares her passion for metalsmithing and a joyful home improvement. [00:44:29] Closing thanks and episode wrap-up.Connect with the guest: https://lilleyconsulting.com/ ABOUT THE SHOW: The Art of Imperfect Adulting elevates the voices of experience by sharing real stories from real people figuring out adult life. Every episode features honest conversations about life's choices, changes, and challenges—interviews with individuals (not celebrities) who share their personal experiences and insights. Through these authentic stories, listeners find validation, motivation, and inspiration for navigating their own path through modern life. Because there's a big difference between expert advice and shared experience, and hearing another person's lived experience helps us feel less alone in our own situations.Join the conversation on social. Find the Art of Imperfect Adulting on Instagram @theartof_imperfect_adulting YouTube @imperfectadulting and TikTok @imperfectadulting If you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.com If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. Online Shopping Cart: ThriveCartNetworking and support with Entreprenista LeagueConnection with Polka Dot PowerhouseBooks I like and books written by show guests on Bookshop.orgGrab a $20 coupon for Nutrafol hereDo you need a bank account? Ally

In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Penny Rose about the wild adventure of downsizing, embracing nomadic living, and designing a work-life balance fueled by intention and financial freedom. Penny shares her journey from a packed 1,640 square foot “sticks-and-bricks” house to 250 square feet on wheels, revealing the joys, logistical hurdles, and inner mindset shifts that paved the way for her and her husband’s life on the road.About the Guest:Penny is a CPA who helps multi-six-figure creative business owners gain financial confidence, make fearless decisions, and unlock the freedom they crave. Her journey began not in a business school, but in a high-stakes, freedom-limiting career as a forensic accountant at the FBI. While chained to a traditional office, she knew that to achieve true location and time freedom, she had to build a bulletproof financial system for her own remote business. She successfully created that system, and it became her escape plan.Main Topics Covered:Why Penny and her husband downsized and chose the RV lifestyle—including insurance headaches and financial motivations.The planning, mindset, and logistical challenges of letting go of stuff, brick-and-mortar commitments, and local ties.Emotional resilience in the face of change and feedback from friends/community.The nuts and bolts of RV living: creating new traditions, maintaining community remotely, and the realities of “traveling too fast.”Domiciling in Florida and the tax/legal intricacies for nomads and creators.How Penny’s business “Penny in Your Pocket” supports influencers and travel creators with sound financial strategy—and her new micro podcast and online course for beginners.Quote from the Episode:“We obviously weren't using our space for very much besides storing stuff, stuff that we couldn't even get to... Once I met someone, I'm not only maintaining contact, I'm growing the community as I meet more people.” — Penny RoseTimestamps: [00:00:05] Welcome & where Penny calls home (Orlando, FL—and half the year on the road)[00:01:11] New Year’s traditions and Jeep culture[00:02:43] First RV night: breaking free at the end of 2019[00:03:26] Dreaming, planning, and facing “sticks and bricks” hassles[00:07:52] Financial and emotional motivation for hitting the road[00:09:00] How much stuff? Merging homes and the problem of “too much”[00:10:59] Cutting other ties—work, clubs, church, and setting a departure deadline[00:13:23] Early retirement timing and the role of benefits[00:17:12] Downsizing method and COVID-era logistics; avoiding the storage unit trap[00:20:13] Emotional vs. logistical challenge of letting go[00:22:59] Community response: safety concerns, admiration, and surprise[00:26:41] RV travel rhythm: “living” vs. “touristing,” building connection across states[00:31:13] Domiciling 101: Florida, Texas, South Dakota, and tax homes[00:34:43] Maintaining community online and in-person as a nomad[00:37:56] Boundaries while working and traveling; not “traveling too fast”[00:41:01] RV park favorites and growing new traditions[00:43:58] How Penny’s work supports creators staying on the road[00:46:53] Penny’s new micro podcast and online course for influencer finances[00:51:31] Favorite RV kitchen gadget—a countertop dishwasher![00:53:27] Podcast recommendation: Ramit Sethi’s Money for Couples[00:54:14] What makes RV life “homey”: a cherished quilt from Penny’s grandmotherConnect with the Guest:Website: https://pennyinyourpocketcpa.com/Note from the show: Guest offers are often limited-time and limited quantity. If you have an issue redeeming the guest offer please reach out to the guest or vendor directly.

In this episode of The Art of Imperfect Adulting, Amy Stone speaks with Laura Ericson about the bold journey of leaving a secure career to build an adventurous life and business around world travel. From her base in Eau Claire, Wisconsin (when she's actually home!), Laura details her transformation from director at a technical college to the founder of a thriving group travel company, designing immersive cultural experiences for curious adults. Listeners will walk away inspired by Laura’s candid perspective on divorce, navigating uncertainty, and the practicalities (and emotion) of starting over to pursue a more aligned and exciting life.About Laura Ericson:Laura Ericson is the founder of Laura Ericson Group Trips, a boutique travel company specializing in transformational experiences to off-the-beaten-path destinations like Morocco, India, Kenya, and Cuba. After spending 14 years in higher education leadership, she made the leap to entrepreneurship at 34, turning her post-divorce wanderlust into a business that has taken over 230 travelers to 9 countries. Laura believes in "Type 2 Fun"—those experiences that might suck in the moment but become your best stories later—and is passionate about responsible travel that gives back to local communities. She lives in Wisconsin (yes, really) and has a concerning habit of getting travel tattoos in foreign countries despite swearing she won't after each one.Main Topics Covered:Rethinking New Year’s resolutions: why personal growth isn’t tied to the calendar.The realities and misconceptions of technical colleges vs. four-year universities—and the impact on careers and debt.How divorce, solo travel, and the pandemic sparked Laura’s business transformation.Recognizing when you’re “playing it safe” in life—and how to awaken your adventurous spirit.The emotional process of leaving a secure job for entrepreneurial uncertainty.Overcoming fear: taking real steps (not just dreaming) toward career change.Building community and belonging for solo travelers craving authentic, meaningful adventure.Tangible travel hacks for life on the road—from luggage scales to navigating lost bags.Quote from the Episode: “A lot of people who get divorced, like, see it as the end of their life. I see it as the end of your life as you know it and the opportunity to start over.” — Laura EricsonTimestamps: [00:00:06] Welcome & Laura’s rare appearance at home in Eau Claire, WI[00:00:35] New Year’s resolutions and perpetual goal-setting[00:02:29] Laura’s 14-year career in higher education and the decision to leave[00:03:42] The gap between studying and career path; value of technical college[00:13:21] Major life change: divorce, personal transition, and the pandemic’s impact[00:18:38] Rediscovering adventure through solo travel—and launching a group travel business[00:33:08] The logistics and fear of quitting a stable job[00:35:03] The power of the “decision moment” in career change[00:41:20] Starting a business with nothing but a passion for travel[00:46:36] What Laura Ericson Group Trips is—and who it serves[00:49:29] Favorite travel hacks, books, podcasts, and travel mishapsJoin the conversation on social. Find the Art of Imperfect Adulting on Instagram @theartof_imperfect_adulting YouTube @imperfectadulting and TikTok @imperfectadulting If you have a story to share and you'd like to be a guest on The Art of Imperfect Adulting, here are the steps for how you can make that happen. Click here and pitch yourself. Never Miss a Moment of Imperfect AdultingWe invite you to join our email community and let us bring the podcast directly to you! As a subscriber, you'll receive notifications about new episodes, exclusive offers from our amazing guests, and easier access to any of the important links mentioned on the show—no more scrambling to write down websites or remember special codes.Why subscribe?Stay up-to-date without checking your podcast appGet guest offers delivered straight to your inboxAccess all important links in one convenient placeCatch the highlights even when you don't have time to listenAre you ready? Join us at https://www.imperfectadulting.com If you love the show and you'd like to support it directly you can tip the host here https://imperfect-adulting.captivate.fm/supportHere are a few resources that Amy uses to make all this great content. These are affiliate links :-)Podcast hosting and distribution: Captivate FMWebsite hosting with Siteground Ai Transcription Tool: Castmagic For Email I recently switched to Beehiiv before that I used Kit. Online Shopping Cart: ThriveCartNetworking and support with Entreprenista LeagueConnection with Polka Dot PowerhouseBooks I like and books written by show guests on Bookshop.orgGrab a $20 coupon for Nutrafol hereDo you need a bank account? Ally