The Underswell with Derek Sabori

This week on The Underswell LIVE!, I sit down with musician, arts advocate, columnist, and community connector Anthony Small—a man who has spent his second act building meaning, identity, and impact through music, storytelling, and arts engagement. From tech sales to releasing his first studio album at 60, from working in minor league baseball to co-executive producing a new documentary on the legendary Los Lobos, Anthony’s story is a masterclass in reinvention. His life’s work now spans songwriting, curating music for community events, arts advocacy, multicultural music education, and creating opportunities for emerging artists. 🎙️Anthony opens up about the flashpoints that changed his trajectory: His wife Bonnie’s breast cancer diagnosis Caring for parents with Alzheimer’s His own kidney cancer journey The moment he realized he needed to pursue work that filled his heart 🎸In a show first, he performs two original songs live on the show—Don’t Give Up and Nice Girl—both deeply personal pieces that reflect his belief in resilience, hope, and the emotional power of music. We also explore: The making of his album El Viejo Why he curates spaces for young artists to grow The story behind the upcoming Los Lobos documentary His years writing “Dana Point Rocks” Finding identity and belonging through the arts The “underswell” that keeps him going Why Listen? If you’re exploring creative work, navigating a career shift, or seeking deeper purpose, Anthony’s story is a powerful reminder that your life’s best chapters can begin at any age—and that showing up with heart can open doors you never imagined. Links Anthony Mentioned: Anthony Small - https://anthonysmallmusic.com/ Anthony Small on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-small-40019111/ Dana Point Rocks, November 2025 - https://www.picketfencemedia.com/danapointtimes/soapbox/dana-point-rocks-muchas-gracias-dana-point/article_4a89b8c6-0ef5-4f35-a321-75d2ad8cb244.html Truly Pizza - https://www.trulypizza.com/ El Viejo, by Anthony Small - https://open.spotify.com/artist/4YauWw1iTj0mgpwAeqhF8k?si=grGoH5THR0CtCRE7PpeioQ Native Sons, Los Lobos Doc - https://madpixfilms.com/los-lobos-film/ Arts Orange County (ArtsOC) - https://artsoc.org/ Redo Market - https://www.redomarket.com/ City of Dana Point Arts Ambassadors - https://www.danapoint-arts.com/ambassadors The Cheech - https://riversideartmuseum.org/visit/the-cheech/ LA Plaza de Cultura y Artes - https://lapca.org/exhibition/a-great-day-in-east/ Dolores Huerta documentary - https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/documentaries/dolores-huerta/ Music🎵 by Lidérc Inquire about being a guest on The Underswell at www.theunderswell.com/livewithderek 

This week on The Underswell, I sit down with Monika Kumar — sustainability advisor at Ichcha (“a wish”) and former Sustainability Finance Specialist at The World Bank — for a deep, energizing, and deeply human conversation about what it really takes to drive impact in today’s complex sustainability landscape. At first glance, it may appear to be so, but Monika’s story is anything but linear. Starting as an activist with NYPIRG, shaped by an international upbringing across Ethiopia, India, and the U.S., and refined through graduate work at Yale and a career in global development, she’s now blending sustainability, social impact, and grounded guidance across multiple arenas — including her family’s artisan-focused textile brand, Ichcha. Together we explore: Sustainability as a rigorous, technical discipline Why today’s sustainability leaders must understand economics, risk, regulation, and how to speak the language of CEOs and CFOs. Why every role can be a sustainability role Monika shares how impact is created from every seat — not just “sustainability teams.” Collaboration > competition Her World Bank experience reinforces that systems change happens when we share knowledge, align goals, and work collectively. Leadership buy-in as the catalytic force Building resilient business models requires fluency in financial value, risk, and ROI — full stop.  Careers that bend, pivot, and persevere Visa barriers, global politics, economic instability — Monika opens up about navigating obstacles with adaptability and persistence. Hope as a professional strategy Progress is slow, messy, and nonlinear. But hope, resilience, and community keep this work alive. It’s a rich episode for career builders, emerging sustainability pros, and anyone looking to integrate purpose and impact into their work. Links: Monika on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/monikakumar/ Her family brand, Ichcha - https://www.ichcha.com/ (Biggest Shop Small sale of the year going on) The latest on SB253 and SB 261 - https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/california-corporate-greenhouse-gas-ghg-reporting-and-climate-related-financial Global Footprint Network, Footprint Calculator - https://www.footprintnetwork.org/resources/footprint-calculator/ Books she recommends right now: The Ministry for the Future, by Kim Stanley Robinson - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50998056-the-ministry-for-the-future Blood Over Bright Haven, by M.L. Wang - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/208430658-blood-over-bright-haven?ref=nav_sb_noss_l_22 Music🎵 by Lidérc Inquire about being a guest on The Underswell at www.theunderswell.com/livewithderek

Guest: Jesse Colin Jackson — Artist, Designer, Professor, Associate Dean, Executive Director, and Relentless Builder of Ideas Some careers unfold in a straight line. Jesse Colin Jackson’s career is more like one of his sculptures—layered, iterative, unexpected, and quietly brilliant once you step back and take in the whole form. In this conversation, Jesse, a Canadian-born artist/designer/engineer-turned-academic leader, shares the unconventional path that took him from civil engineering… to art school… to architecture school… to a faculty career at UC Irvine where he now serves as a Professor of Electronic Art & Design, Associate Dean of Research & Innovation, and Executive Director of the internationally recognized Beall Center for Art + Technology. We cover a lot of ground—creativity, curiosity, sabbaticals, building things that don’t exist yet, learning how to manage your energy, what college really offers students today, and the underrated value of wandering into the unknown and working hard even when you don’t know where it’s all leading. This episode is a goldmine for students, young creatives, mid-career explorers, and anyone who’s ever wondered: How do you build a meaningful, original career when you’re interested in everything? 💡Some Highlights + One-Liners from Jesse “Design thinking and art thinking? Same thing—designers just have clients.” “I didn’t plan on being an artist. I didn’t plan on being a professor.” “Iteration beats perfection. Generate lots of ideas fast—don’t labor over one perfect thing.” “The sabbatical isn’t a vacation. It’s stepping away to think, imagine, and start something new.” “Energy in → outcomes out. Hard work compounds, even when you don’t see it right away.” “Students think professors aren’t nervous. Most are. Teaching is performance.” “Don’t confuse what you’re good at with what actually feeds you.” “You can’t predict where opportunities will come from. Don’t treat life like a transaction.” “Some of the things you do for fun will end up shaping your career more than the things you did ‘on purpose.’” 🎙️What We Talk About — How Jesse blended engineering, art, and architecture into a single creative lens — Why dropping out (or being asked to leave) can become the best learning moment of a career — What running a campus bike co-op taught him about leadership, collaboration, and creativity — The value of iteration, restlessness, and trying a lot of things — How AI is reshaping creativity—and what students should really be focused on right now — Why college still matters (and what people misunderstand about its purpose) — Advice for new grads entering the workplace — His “underswell”: that open-ended need to build, explore, and make things that didn’t exist before — The Beall Center for Art + Technology, UCI’s Arts + campaign, and the role of art as a form of inquiry — His next big projects, including the delightfully ambitious curb machine artwork 🎧 Why Listen: Jesse’s story is a reminder that careers are long, winding, and much more malleable than we tend to believe. Your degree doesn’t define you. Your first job doesn’t define you. The things you build, explore, and put your energy into over time—that’s what shapes a career. For anyone navigating change, uncertainty, or a path that doesn’t quite fit the standard template, this episode offers both comfort and a spark. There’s wisdom here. And some very quotable insights. 🔗 Links & Resources: Jesse Colin Jackson: https://jessecolinjackson.com/about and https://art.arts.uci.edu/jesse-colin-jackson Beall Center for Art + Technology: https://beallcenter.uci.edu Claire Trevor School of the Arts at UCI: https://www.arts.uci.edu/arts-campaign Music🎵 by Lidérc Inquire about being a guest on The Underswell at https://www.theunderswell.com/livewithderek 

My guest this week, Karimah Hudda, has lived and worked across 40+ countries, guided by a lifelong commitment to equity, purpose, and human flourishing. She’s helped shape the sustainability agendas of some of the world’s most recognized organizations — from Fairtrade and Mondelez to Nike — and today leads IllumineEarth, a purpose-driven leadership and systems-change consultancy that helps executives, teams, and changemakers thrive from the inside out. In my rich and expansive conversation with Karimah, she shares stories, frameworks, and deeply personal lessons from her global journey — from her roots in India to boardrooms and farms around the world. Her message: true sustainability begins with people. In this episode, we talk about: Her Underswell — that thing under the surface that drives her and powers her commitment to the work she does. Lessons from Fairtrade — how smallholder farmers and artisans shaped her lifelong philosophy on equity and shared humanity. The evolution of corporate sustainability — from grassroots ethics to enterprise leadership and what’s needed more than ever. Moving beyond compliance — why regulation matters but heart-led leadership matters more. The human side of sustainability — how to avoid burnout, find joy, and practice “personal flourishing.” The call to align personal purpose with organizational systems — bridging people and planet for a flourishing future. What she’s learned from her work with Gen Z and why she believes her best is yet to come. 💬 Memorable quotes: “We’re all born to purpose — we’re just trained out of it.” “Once you go see, you cannot unsee. You cannot un-care.” “Flourishing means humanity and nature coexisting in equilibrium.” “Stay unreasonable. Stay untainted. The world needs you as you are.” Listen to this episode if you’re:  A sustainability or purpose-driven leader balancing impact with well-being. A professional seeking to align personal values with career choices. A student or early-career changemaker looking to build courage, clarity, and community. Curious about the next era of leadership — one built on empathy, imagination, and shared humanity. About Karimah: Karimah Hudda is a transformative leadership expert, systems change catalyst, and founder of IllumineEarth. A graduate of Oxford University and the University of Washington, she has led sustainability and supply chain initiatives for global brands and continues to mentor the next generation of leaders. Learn more at linkedin.com/in/karimahhudda. Music🎵 by Lidérc Links mentioned in the show: Links to share: Karimah Hudda - https://www.linkedin.com/in/karimahhudda/ Illumine.earth - https://www.illumine.earth/ IUCN World Conservation Congress - https://iucncongress2025.org/ University of Oxford - https://www.ox.ac.uk/ University of Washington - https://www.washington.edu/  Doctors Without Borders - https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/ SBTs - https://sciencebasedtargets.org/  CSRD - https://www.csrdreadiness.com/  Salute - South Asian Leaders Unite To Empower - https://www.salute.community/  Inquire about being a guest on The Underswell at theunderswell.com/livewithderek

This week, I sit down with Steve Tully, a seasoned executive whose career spans more than three decades in the surf and consumer products industries. From leading at Quiksilver, Roxy, Vix Swimwear, and Neff Headwear to mentoring emerging leaders and coaching executives through pivotal transitions, Steve’s story is one of humility, reinvention, and service. In this conversation, Steve shares how he built a career rooted in integrity, mentorship, and curiosity — and why he believes surrounding yourself with great people is the real key to success. As a former president-level leader turned executive coach, Steve now helps others navigate their next chapters with clarity and confidence. 📋 In This Episode: For Emerging Leaders: Why emotional intelligence and curiosity matter as much as hard skills — and how to make yourself invaluable on any team. For Mid-Career Professionals: Why reinvention is a lifelong skill and how to “retire to something, not from something.” For Executives & Founders: How personal growth drives organizational growth, and why staying humble and coachable keeps you relevant. For Anyone in Career Transition: Why “playing offense” with your career — building your network, crafting your narrative, and creating a personal board of directors — is key to staying ahead of change. 💬 Memorable Quotes: “The harder you work, the luckier you get.” “Decisions are made by those who show up — sometimes that means physically, but often it means mentally.” “Play offense with your career. Don’t wait for change to happen to you.” “When things are going really good, be grateful and humble. When things get tough, make the hard decision — sooner is better.” “Your company isn’t who you are. It’s just where you work.” Listen To This Episode If... You’re a career builder, mentor, or leader who wants to stay adaptable and inspired. Whether you’re seeking your next role, stepping into leadership, or redefining what success looks like, this one’s filled with timeless, practical wisdom. 🎵 Music by Lidérc 🔗 Links: Steve on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevetully/ SRTully, & Associates - https://srtully.com/ SDSI, San Diego Sports Institute - https://www.sdsportinnovators.org/ LCAD, Laguna College of Art & Design - https://www.lcad.edu/ The First 90 Days - https://hbr.org/books/watkins  💬 Inquire about being a guest on The Underswell at theunderswell.com/livewithderek

What happens when you say yes to opportunity—even when you don’t see the full path ahead? In this episode of The Underswell w/ Derek Sabori, I chat with Dr. Brian Komoto, PharmD—President & CEO of Komoto Healthcare, President of the UCSF Alumni Association, and Alumni Regent at the University of California. Brian’s career began with a leap of faith: buying a small community pharmacy in Delano, CA, with his wife and newborn son in 1981 almost immediately after receiving his PharmD. From those humble beginnings, he built a thriving healthcare network serving thousands across California’s Central Valley. His secret? A relentless focus on people, community, and continuous learning. Throughout the conversation, Brian shares how his early mentors shaped his mindset, why he still sees himself as both teacher and student, and how the best leaders “listen first, act second.” He reminds us that leadership isn’t about titles—it’s about leaving things better than you found them. 🔑 Key themes & lessons: Say yes to opportunity—even before you feel ready. Brian’s regent appointment came as a surprise, but his curiosity and courage opened doors he never imagined. Leadership begins with listening. Understanding your community’s real needs comes before designing solutions. Mentorship multiplies impact. Teaching others is how you keep learning. Challenge the status quo (this is something he learned at UC Berkeley). As Brian says, “Never be satisfied with how things have always been done.” Get involved and give a little. There’s something magical that happens when you commit to helping and serving others (especially those in your community). Enjoy the ride. “Smile,” he says. “When I grab the door handle to walk in, it’s showtime.” 💬 Memorable quotes: “When the pressure mounts, that’s a call to action.” “Education is what’s left after you’ve forgotten everything.” (Brian's Dad) “Find something that makes you passionate—then it’s no longer a job.” “When you give, you receive much more back.” “Smell the roses while you’re walking through them. Don’t worry about the thorns, they’re going to be there no matter what.” 👂 Listen to this episode if: You’re exploring career pivots or leadership growth. Y ou want to blend professional success with community impact. You’re curious how to scale a business without losing its heart. You believe that a meaningful career is measured in legacy, not titles. 🔗 Links: Connect with Brian on LinkedIn About Komoto Healthcare About the University of California Board of Regents Music by Lidérc. 🎧 Subscribe to The Underswell for more stories on purpose, resilience, and the lessons beneath the surface. Inquire about being a guest at theunderswell.com/livewithderek.

In this episode of The Underswell w/ Derek Sabori, I sit down with Nicolai Glazer — Global Real Estate Advisor at Pacific Sotheby’s International Realty, former sponsored surfer, textile sales entrepreneur, and lifelong independent builder. Nicolai’s career has spanned multiple industries, but the throughline is clear: trust, discipline, and a commitment to becoming the best version of himself so he can serve others. From his early textile hustle during the heyday of the action sports industry to his major pivot into real estate, Nic reflects on the lessons that shaped him and the advice he now passes on to the next generation of career builders. What You’ll Hear in This Episode: The importance of relationships — “Being a good person, taking care of the people around you, and presenting yourself in a professional manner is what leads to long-term success.” The grind behind real estate — why it’s not as simple as getting a license and selling a house, and how running a business is about much more than commissions. Discipline as a secret weapon — how martial arts, surfing, and daily practice built habits that carried into entrepreneurship. The power of patience — “It takes 10+ years to become an ‘overnight success.’ Give yourself time.” Reputation is the long game — why protecting your name and work ethic matters more than short-term wins. Financial wisdom for young professionals — know the value of your money, start saving early, treat it like training, and set yourself up to buy real estate sooner than you think. Experience is everything — “In any business, there’s no substitute for experience.” Becoming the best version of yourself — how health, wellness, slowing down, and choosing who you spend time with shape your growth. Memorable Quotes: “Every morning you wake up unemployed—you decide what you’re going to do with your day.” “It’s not about how much money you make, it’s about how much you save; know the value of your money.” “In any business, there’s no substitute for experience.” “You have an opportunity to do things that you don’t think are possible.” “Only when I’m the best version of myself can I truly help others be the best version of themselves.” Listen to this episode if… You’re considering real estate or entrepreneurship and want a real look at what it takes. You’re navigating a career pivot and wondering how to carry your reputation into a new field. You’re early in your career and need straight talk on getting going, networking, and discipline. You want inspiration on how to align personal growth with professional success. Links mentioned in the show: Nicolai Glazer - https://nicolaiglazer.com/ Nicolai Glazer, Realtor (YouTube) - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpJuv8aaaqn0F5MoCqlmcoQ Nicolai Glazer Real Estate Group - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolaiglazerrealestategroup/ Disc Assessment - https://www.discprofile.com/what-is-disc 🎵 Music by Lidérc 💻 Inquire about being a guest on the show at theunderswell.com/livewithderek

This week on The Underswell, I sit down with Greg Ehrlich, Director of Business Development at MiiR, former professional musician, private chef, and full-time connector. Greg has lived three very different careers, but as he shares, there’s a common thread running through all of them: people, relationships, and authenticity. Greg’s story is packed with candid lessons, honest reflection, and plenty of one-liners that career-builders can carry forward. From the chaos of cold-calling and touring the world with Allen Stone, to private cheffing in Idaho, and now building partnerships with brands like Nintendo and The Sphere in Las Vegas, Greg has navigated pivots with resilience and self-awareness. Memorable Quotes from Greg: “Everything I’ve landed in my career has come through the power of connection.” “Sometimes keeping a passion as a creative outlet is more fulfilling than turning it into your profession.” “Be prepared to get lucky—when opportunity knocks, you need to be ready to answer.” In this conversation, you’ll hear Greg talk about: Networking is everything – Nearly every opportunity Greg landed came from intentional, genuine connections. Passion vs. profession – Sometimes keeping a creative outlet (like cooking) separate from work makes it more fulfilling. Self-awareness as strategy – Success comes from aligning your career with your temperament and values. Resilience in pivots – Each transition—music, food, sales—brought transferable lessons that continue to pay off. Authenticity wins – Sales is easier (and more sustainable) when you believe in the product and the people behind it. The importance of “being prepared to get lucky” when opportunities arrive. Why finding the “why behind the why” can keep your career both meaningful and sustainable. Greg is thoughtful, funny, and real about the challenges of building a career that doesn’t fit neatly into a straight line. Whether you’re just starting out or rethinking your next move, his journey is proof that pivots aren’t detours—they’re part of the path. About Greg Ehrlich: Greg is Director of Business Development at MiiR, where he builds entertainment and co-branded partnerships. He’s also a former professional musician and private chef. Learn more about him on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-ehrlich/. Some other links from the show: That viral Allan Stone Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Hy6kp5kIs MiiR - https://www.miir.com/ (A premium lifestyle and apparel brand with a social and environmental mission. Kara Lawson, Duke coach: Handle Hard Better - https://youtu.be/oDzfZOfNki4?si=l9XVEvbPZkDtM_4U 🎵 Music by Lidérc. 👉 Inquire about being a guest on the show at theunderswell.com/livewithderek.

In this episode of The Underswell, I sit down with Alfred Ricci, Vice President of Strategic Relations at Alchemus, a Human Capital Management professional, and UC Irvine alum. Alfred’s story reads like a motivational playbook—equal parts raw honesty, practical advice, and lived experience. Alfred’s path wasn’t easy. At just 14, he walked away from a broken home, entered the foster system, and decided to take control of his own destiny. From there, he built a life and career that far surpassed anything he could have imagined: international consulting roles, global banking, executive leadership, and now, a soon-to-be beachside retirement. But what makes Alfred’s story so powerful is how he frames it—not as a highlight reel, but as a set of lessons anyone can apply. 💬 What we talk about: Redefining Success & Life Philosophy: Why your past does not define you—your heart and mind do. Overcoming Adversity: From foster homes to international consulting, how Alfred used hardship as training for resilience. The Power of Education: How degrees, trade schools, and lifelong learning serve as “keys” that open unexpected doors. The Consulting Advantage: Why saying yes (and volunteering to travel) can fast-track your growth and broaden your worldview. Emotional Intelligence & Burnout: The skills Alfred wishes he had earlier, and why EQ is critical for career longevity. Career Longevity & Evolution: What it takes to reinvent yourself, pivot industries, and thrive at different stages of life. Life Beyond Your Dreams: How to ask the right questions, put in the hard work, and recognize when the universe is opening a new door. 💡Memorable quotes from Alfred: “The very first step is knowing what you don’t want. The real work is asking—what do you want?” “Your past does not define you. Use it as fuel.” “Be willing to travel. Be willing to volunteer. Be willing to work hard. That’s how you discover a life you didn’t even know existed.” “Nobody owes you anything. If you want it, put in the work.” “Your heart and your mind decide who you are—not what’s out there.” Listen to this if you are: A young professional wondering if you’ll ever “catch up.” Considering consulting, HR, or international work. Facing adversity and looking for proof you can rewrite your story. Interested in how resilience and emotional intelligence shape career longevity. Ready to learn how to truly create a life beyond your dreams. Learn more about: Alfred Ricci at https://www.linkedin.com/in/alfredricci/ Alchemus at https://alchemus.com/ EQI 2.0 - https://ap.themyersbriggs.com/overview/EQ-i-20-8  🎵Music by Lidérc. Inquire about being a guest on the show at theunderswell.com/livewithderek.

What does it look like to build a career with curiosity, creativity, and resilience—before you’ve even hit 30? On this episode of The Underswell, I sit down with Drew Keske, Manager at the K-Bar Ranch in Texas, handyman, project foreman, and supporter of sustainability and social entrepreneurship to find out. Drew brings a younger career perspective, but his story carries timeless lessons for anyone navigating their own path. Drew’s career has already wound through nonprofits, farming, business operations, event management, sustainability, and now—back to his roots on the family ranch. Along the way, he’s faced setbacks, seized opportunities, and learned how to balance dreams vs. reality with a thoughtful, intentional approach. In this conversation: Coming full circle: Returning to the family business and what it’s like working alongside his dad. Resilience & tenacity: He survived setbacks like a six-month battle with lupus and had his job literally washed away by Hurricane Helene in Asheville. Breadth before depth: Why Drew chose to build a wide foundation of skills in his 20s before specializing in his 30s. The crossroads: How he built a card game around the decisions we face in life—and how he’s navigated his own. Being 30 in 2025: His generational perspective on AI, community, and career-building in uncertain times. Not letting life overwhelm you: Finding perspective, fun, and gratitude—even when plans collapse. Timeless advice from Drew: “Confidence comes through doing the work, just showing up.” “Have engaged detachment: put in the work, but don’t cling to a specific outcome. Stay open to the doors that open for you.” “Know what it means to do what it takes, remember to have fun, and take care of yourself.” Drew’s story is proof that career-building isn’t about a straight ladder climb—it’s about resilience, curiosity, community, and creating your own path, one step at a time. Can you guess what his Underswell is? What force underneath the surface, drives him to improve continuously? The answer is in the episode. 🔗 Connect with Drew on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewske/  Other links Drew mentions: https://scotchisholm.com https://joinhighland.com/ Music by Lidérc. Inquire about being a guest on the show at www.theunderswell.com/livewithderek  

What do you do when your career doesn’t follow a straight line? For my guest, Rachel Heussenstamm, the answer has always been: stay curious, say yes to opportunities, and treat every challenge like a problem worth solving. In this episode, Rachel shares her dynamic, “sideways” career journey—from overcoming dyslexia as a kid, to studying music and architecture, dropping out of USC to join a band in Nashville (Shh... don't tell anyone😁), freelancing as a designer, producing commercials for ESPN, leading creative teams at ZipRecruiter, and now consulting with purpose-driven brands. Along the way, she’s built a career on curiosity, creativity, and the courage to keep reinventing herself. Rachel’s stories remind us that the best jobs aren’t always the ones you apply for—they’re often the ones you create yourself. What We Talk About: How early obstacles can become strengths—dyslexia helped Rachel build resilience, pattern recognition, and creativity. Why curiosity is a superpower (and a skill to develop)—being deeply curious is what makes you a better listener, problem solver, and leader. The importance of saying yes to serendipity—a single freelance project led her to producing ESPN commercials. Why every job is a climate job—and how sustainability shows up in every industry.  Creating cultural capital—How growing up in an entrepreneurial, arts-driven community normalized risk-taking and built her confidence to pursue her own path. Why playing the long game, being open, and having fun are essential ingredients in any career. Key Takeaways 💡 “Curiosity is problem-solving. It’s not just about wonder—it’s about asking better questions, building context, and finding the real issues to solve.” 💡 “Sometimes the best jobs are the ones you make for yourself.” 💡 “Every career has pivots. The trick is to keep stacking experiences, stay open, and trust that it all adds up.” 💡 “Every job is a climate job. No matter your sector, sustainability belongs in the conversation.” Listen to This Episode If You’re: An early-career professional figuring out your next move. A creative who wants to grow into leadership. Someone navigating pivots, setbacks, or unexpected opportunities. A believer that curiosity, creativity, and courage shape great careers. 🔗 Connect with Rachel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-heussenstamm/ 📚 Rachel’s Book Recommendations: The Power of Giving Away Power, Matthew Barzun   This is Your Brain on Sports by Jon Wertheim and Sam Sommers. Abundance, Era Klein & Derek Thompson Rachel's Non-profit pick: https://drawdown.org/ because "Every job is a climate job." Music by Lidérc. Inquire about being a guest on the show here.

Guest: Steve Jones — Owner, bettershelter | Creative Visionary | Real Estate Developer Steve Jones has lived many careers in one: surfer, Quiksilver creative, college instructor, boutique developer, and community builder. Along the way, he’s built a reputation for design vision, grit, and a knack for staying relevant. In this episode, Steve shares stories that remind us why creativity, perseverance, and relationships matter more than ever when building a career. 🌊🏡 From his early days helping Shawn Stussy with shop windows in Laguna Beach, to leading Quiksilver’s visual identity during its rise to a global powerhouse, to launching bettershelter and transforming Southern California neighborhoods through inspired and thoughtful real estate, Steve’s story is packed with lessons for anyone navigating their career path. 🔍 What We Talk About The transformative power of design — and why brands can’t overlook it How surfing, flea markets, and vintage treasures shaped his creative lens Building relevance: why staying fresh is the lifeblood of a career or brand Taking the leap: leaving the “mothership” to go out on your own The importance of connections, relationships, and mentors Saying yes, and then figuring it out 💡 Key Takeaways “Your job is to make your boss look good.” “Don’t underestimate the public—people notice more than you think.” “Sometimes you’ve just got to jump in. Figure it out as you go.” “There’s a reason you have one mouth and two ears: listen more.” “Put yourself in situations where you don’t know all the answers—that’s where the growth is.” 🎯 Listen to this episode if you are: A creative professional wondering how to pivot careers A designer or entrepreneur looking for ways to stay relevant Someone curious about the overlap of surf culture, design, and real estate A career-builder seeking timeless advice from someone who’s been there 👉 Follow Steve and his projects: Steve Jones on LinkedIn bettershelter on Instagram California Surf Club bettershelter Music by Lidérc.

Michael Marckx’s career doesn’t read like a straight ladder climb—it’s a masterclass in following curiosity, saying yes to unexpected detours, and bringing your whole self (athlete, musician, strategist, dad, leader) to the work you do. From his early days as a marathon-running, surf-obsessed econ major at UC Irvine to leading brand turnarounds at Surfing Magazine, Ocean Pacific, Spy, Globe, and beyond, Michael has built a career at the intersection of culture, creativity, and commerce. He’s the founder of Monuments of Cycling and creator of the Belgian Waffle Ride—now the largest gravel race series in the world—and has collaborated with icons from DEVO to Metallica to The Clash. In this conversation, Michael shares the stories (and the lessons) behind the big moments—and the quiet ones—that shaped his path. We talk about turning warehouse jobs into career springboards, using music as a marketing teacher, building brands from the ground up, leading with consistency, and redefining what “winning” looks like after life-changing setbacks. 🔍What We Cover:   How curiosity, breadth of experience, and saying “yes” to sideways opportunities built Michael’s creative toolkit The brand-building playbook: vision, mission, values, and why most companies skip the basics Why reliability often beats raw talent (in music, business, and beyond) Lessons from brand turnarounds at OP, Spy, and more The throughline between drumming in a band and leading creative teams Surfrider, sustainability, and aligning your work with your values Career advice for early-stage professionals: consistency, relationships, and asking better questions in interviews How accidents, setbacks, and even fraud shaped his resilience and perspective           💬 Memorable Quotes: “You do a good job. Other people notice it. They ask, ‘Who did that?’” “Find mentors within the building that can help fashion your career.” “It was a super fun turnaround story and it only could have happened by a legion of people all believing the same thing and making magic happen.” 🎧 Listen if you are: A leader looking to reset, transform, or re-energize your brand An aspiring or early-career marketer, creative, or brand builder Someone navigating a career pivot or recovering from a professional setback A fan of action sports, endurance events, or music—and curious how they intersect with business strategy      📌 Links to Know About: About Michael:Michael Marckx is a Brand Leader, Creative Marketing Strategist, Event Producer, Keynote Speaker, and Lecturer. He’s the founder of Monuments of Cycling and creator of the Belgian Waffle Ride. He’s led brand and marketing strategy at adidas, Nixon, Billabong, OP, Spy, Globe, and Surfing Magazine, and has served as Chairman of the Board for the Surfrider Foundation. More about Michael at linkedin.com/in/ibemmx.  Watch a great TEDx talk that he gave here.  Check out Monuments of Cycling. Show music by Lidérc.

Guest: Andrew Kaminski – Digital Marketing Specialist (Entry-Level) 🔗 Connect with Andrew on LinkedIn 🔎 About This Episode: Meet Andrew Kaminski—a recent college graduate with a strong work ethic, a background in hospitality, and a growing skillset in digital marketing. In this Professional Podcast Profile, we explore Andrew’s unique path from restaurant jobs and internships to the world of PPC, paid ads, and lead generation. What stands out is Andrew’s ability to learn fast and adapt to new systems (thank you rock climbing and film studies), and bring a humble (and humorous when called for), team-first approach to every role. Whether he was working the floor at fast-paced restaurants or diving into Meta ad dashboards, Andrew has consistently shown grit, initiative, and a hunger to grow. 🎯 Who Should Listen: Hiring managers looking for junior marketing talent Recruiters seeking coachable, entry-level candidates with digital acumen Career coaches and connectors who support young professionals in tech and marketing Brands and agencies building up their marketing departments 🧠 What You’ll Learn About Andrew: Why his restaurant experience shaped his approach to teamwork and communication How he self-started his digital marketing journey and what he's already learned His take on humility, feedback, and "figuring things out" The importance of showing up—even when you're not the loudest voice in the room Why he's focused on learning from people who are further along the path 🗣️ Standout Quotes: “Every time I’ve had to learn something new—different software, different systems—I just figured it out. That’s what I do.” “I’m not trying to be a know-it-all. I’m trying to learn and grow—and contribute.” “If you can work in a restaurant, stay calm under pressure, and still be a good teammate, you can do almost anything.” 💼 Why You Should Hire Andrew: Andrew is early in his digital marketing journey but already demonstrates the mindset and work ethic that make great marketers—and great colleagues. He’s Google Ads Search Certified, comfortable with platforms like Meta Ads, knows how to think analytically about audience behavior, and is eager to keep leveling up. He’s not looking for a shortcut—he’s looking for the right opportunity to grow, contribute, and prove himself. 📢 Help Us Help Andrew: If you're hiring—or know someone who is—reach out or share this episode with your network. Andrew is ready to roll up his sleeves and make an impact.

What does a career look like when it doesn’t follow a straight line—but every chapter adds up to something remarkable? In this episode, I sit down with Julia Burton, a dynamic and resilient leader who has reinvented herself time and again across hospitality, finance, corporate events, and now higher education. From her earliest job selling hot dogs and waiting tables at the Four Seasons to managing multi-million dollar partnerships at UC Irvine, Julia’s story is proof that grit, humility, and a people-first mindset can open doors in unexpected ways. Her career journey includes working at The Four Seasons, (an unexpected stop at) Rubio’s, Mattel’s American Girl, Bank of America, Schools First, and beyond. But what’s most striking isn’t just where she’s been—it’s how she’s led with empathy, stayed adaptable through crisis after crisis, continued to learn and evolve, and found meaningful work in every role. Whether you're early in your career, navigating a pivot, or mentoring others, this episode is filled with life-tested wisdom. 💬 What We Talk About: Pivoting when life throws you curve balls (and doing it with grace) Learning business development through rejection, resilience, and relationship-building Why being strategic and humble matters—especially during career setbacks The surprising lessons she learned from her earliest jobs The importance of internal networking in large organizations Why she tells her team: “I don’t want to work with you for more than 2 years.” ✨ Key Takeaways & Julia-isms: “Rejection isn’t no. It’s just not right now.” “Every job is a customer service job if you’re doing it right.” “Sometimes you’ve got to trade Rodeo Drive suits for khakis and a visor—and own it.” “If you're not learning, you're not growing. Keep stacking skills.” “Help your team grow beyond you—your job as a leader is to get them ready for what’s next.” “Even if you don’t love the job, come in with positivity. It affects the whole team.” 🔎 Listen to this if you are: A career explorer navigating pivots or crisis moments A manager wondering how to develop and empower your team A student or early-career pro unsure how your current job relates to your dream one Someone looking to build a meaningful career through people, service, and purpose A job-seeker curious about how to talk about transferable skills 💼 More career stories at theunderswell.com Music by Lidérc. Connect with Julia on LinkedIn and learn more about the UC Irvine Alumni Association here.

Katrina Cravy has built a dynamic career through the power of story, stage presence, and sincere connection. In this episode, she joins me to talk about executive presence, mastering the art of charisma, and why communication is a learnable power skill—not just something you’re born with. From her early days as a TV anchor and consumer advocate to her current work as a coach for CEOs, speakers, and rising leaders, Katrina has been on both sides of the spotlight. If you've ever worried you don’t “have it,” and want some tips on how to get “it” this episode is for you. 🔍 What We Talk About: Why charisma is not magic—it’s muscle Her “Must H.A.V.E.” formula for engaging communication The power of showing up (literally: turn on your camera!) How to succeed in networking (even if you're an introvert) Transitioning from Emmy-winning anchor to entrepreneur Helping clients shine on global stages and in high-stakes meetings Why strong communication is your #1 career accelerator 🎯 Key Takeaways: “Your net worth is your network.” Executive presence is absolutely teachable—through practice, feedback, and performance coaching. “Soft skills” are actually power skills—and they determine how well you're heard, seen, and remembered. Be ready when opportunity knocks. Getting media attention is one thing. Showing up well once you’re there? That’s the key.  Small talk, name delivery, eye contact—these are micro moves that lead to macro results. The career path isn’t always linear—listen to your audience and be willing to evolve. 💬 Memorable Quotes: “Treat people like you want to be treated. That’s the core of communication.” “If you can see it, you can dissect it. And if you can dissect it, you can train to be it.” “If you're not nervous, you don't care.” “Dreams don’t have deadlines… but you still have to be a doer.” 🎧 Listen to this if you are: A rising professional seeking more confidence and clarity A CEO or exec preparing for the spotlight An entrepreneur pitching your vision A student or recent grad navigating the early stages of your career A communicator ready to sharpen your edge Curious how storytelling, charisma, and strategy intersect 📚 Coming Soon: Katrina’s next book, The Charisma Switch, aims to help professionals turn up their presence and own the room. 📌 Links to Know About: Learn more about Katrina’s coaching, speaking, and communications strategy: Katrina Cravy on LinkedIn Her book: On Air: Insider Secrets to Attract the Media and Get Free Publicity Music by Lidérc.

In this episode of The Underswell, I’m joined by Santiago Forero Vega, a sustainability consultant, entrepreneur, and 🥑 avocado farmer on a mission to make sustainability a performance driver—not just a cost center. From launching his own consulting company, ThinkSID, to helping run his family’s avocado farm in Colombia, Santiago blends personal experience with corporate know-how to tackle one of the biggest challenges in the agricultural world: how to make sustainability actually work for farmers. 💬 “Disappointing my future self was the scariest thing. That’s what pushed me to finally take the leap.” We cover his non-linear journey from business school to design science to sustainable food systems, and how he weaves it all together into a career built on empathy, pragmatism, and systems thinking. This episode is a masterclass in real-world sustainability strategy, shifting the narrative from carbon accounting to profitable, practical change—especially in ag. If you're a purpose-driven professional wondering how to align your skills with a greater mission, you’ll want to tune in. 💬 What We Talk About: The early career experience that introduced Santiago to human-centered design How study abroad in Hong Kong reshaped his worldview What he learned at the consulting firm Quantis while supporting the world’s biggest food brands Why starting ThinkSID was both terrifying and liberating How farming taught him sustainability’s biggest challenge: uncertainty Why he thinks the current approach to climate metrics is leaving farmers behind His vision for “profitable sustainability” in the ag sector and beyond 🔑 Key Takeaways: Change is hard—especially when your livelihood is on the line. Farmers face pressure to evolve practices, but need clear, low-risk pathways to make it happen. “Profitable sustainability” means designing initiatives that increase yields, reduce costs, and make business sense first—then reap the climate co-benefits. Your career path doesn’t have to be linear. Santiago’s story blends business, design, agriculture, and entrepreneurship into a unique, purpose-filled career. Don’t fear the pivot. Santiago’s jump into entrepreneurship came after a visa setback—and he’s not looking back. Networking isn’t about schmoozing. It’s about borrowing inspiration and learning from the virtues of others. 💡 Memorable Quotes: “You get to steal a little bit of the virtues of everyone you meet.” “Disappointing my future self was the scariest thing.” “I think too much weight has been put on sustainability’s shoulders… now it’s time to balance it with the rest of the business.” “We should be building departments of profitable sustainability.” “Degrees matter less than you think. There’s always time to pivot.” 🎧 Listen to this episode if you are: A sustainability professional or ag consultant rethinking your approach A founder or aspiring entrepreneur wondering when (or how) to take the leap A business student or early-career pro trying to connect purpose with practice A curious systems thinker who wants to make real-world impact in food or farming Tired of climate conversations that don’t address business realities Follow Santiago and keep up with his entrepreneurial journey: 🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/santiagoforerothinksid/ More about thinkSID: 🔗 https://thinksid.notion.site/ 

🤝 Meet Sebastien Marcq, a marketing executive with over 20 years of experience shaping iconic brands across industries—from lifestyle giants like Vans and Volcom to global CPG players like Sambazon, and the U.S. launch of Asia’s premium tea chain, Chagee. Sebastien is currently exploring his next leadership role, and this conversation offers a deep dive into his philosophy, track record, and the contagious energy he brings to every team. If you're hiring senior marketing talent—or know someone who is—this is the kind of candidate you’ll want to meet. 🧠 In This Episode, You'll Learn About: Why “defending the awesome” has become Sebastien’s personal branding mantra His impact at SAMBAZON, where he drove 60% brand growth and tripled awareness Launching House of Vans London, a cultural powerhouse under Waterloo Station How he helped introduce Chagee, a 6,000-store tea chain, to the U.S. market from the ground up The power of organizational alignment, OGSTM frameworks, and customer-driven strategy Why cross-industry agility is a competitive advantage, not a red flag How his life as a former pro snowboarder and single dad has shaped his leadership style 💬 Notable Quotes: "I strive in organizations who are aligned behind a strategy where a leader empowers its employees to take action and to learn." "Marketing is everything you do to help attract and retain more good customers." "Progress beats perfection. Momentum matters more than a perfect launch." 🌍 Sebastien's Superpowers: Business acumen (HEC Paris MBA) Global brand expansion & repositioning High-impact storytelling & omnichannel execution Positivity that powers team culture Strategic frameworks that drive real growth 🎯 Looking to Hire? Sebastien is based in Southern California, open to hybrid roles, and ready to pour his expertise, heart, and hustle into a brand that wants to shape culture and scale with meaning. Let’s help him land somewhere amazing. 🔗 Connect with Sebastien on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastienmarcq 📣 Tag a recruiter, CMO, or founder who needs to hear this episode.

In this episode, I sit down with David Stover, CEO and Co-founder of Bureo, Inc., for a thoughtful and inspiring conversation on purpose-driven entrepreneurship, systems change, and staying the course—especially when things get messy. David’s path started in a surf and skate shop in Rhode Island, wound through engineering school and corporate consulting, and eventually led him to Australia and then Chile, where a garage-based skateboard project sparked a global movement to turn discarded fishing nets into high-performance materials. From lucky breaks with Jack Johnson and Patagonia to bold pivots and relentless supply chain problem-solving, David shares his journey of turning a small idea into a big impact. “We were just working on a problem.” — David Stover, on how it all started 🧭 What We Talk About: His early career wake-up call and the pivot from EY consultant to purpose-driven entrepreneur The origin story of Bureo: recycled fishing nets → skateboards → apparel Why their journey has been “imperfect,” and why that’s okay Lessons from Patagonia, Kelly Slater, and other bold brand partners A call for strategic urgency in the face of climate and plastic pollution Why brands with conviction and consumers who care are key to scaling sustainability 💡 Key Takeaways: “Ideas are great, but action is where the road meets the water.” Strategic urgency is the sweet spot between moving fast and staying responsible Start with purpose. Build the infrastructure. Be ready for luck. System change is not a straight line—it’s about constant feedback loops and micro-adjustments Positivity and persistence go hand in hand 🧠 Memorable Quotes: “We need brands with conviction.” “Stay even-keeled. Don’t ride too high or sink too low—just keep going.” “The world is producing more new plastic every year. That’s the problem we’re focused on.” “If you weren’t worried about money, where would your career take you?” 🎧 Listen if you are: An early-career professional or student trying to find purpose in your path A sustainability leader or entrepreneur navigating complex systems Curious how a side hustle became a force for global supply chain transformation Wondering how you can help “accelerate the impact” we need A brand leader who knows it’s time to do more than talk Music by Lidérc. 🔗 Links to Know About: Learn more about David: David Stover on LinkedIn Explore Bureo #careeradvice #careerstories #careerjournies #plasticpollution #systemschange

In this episode, I sit down with longtime creative leader and newly minted agency founder, Chris D’Amico, to discuss big career moves, the evolving creative landscape, and the power of clarity. Chris has built a standout career in advertising, creative direction, and brand storytelling—working with brands like Taco Bell, Dunkin’, and many more. Now, he's channeling all of that experience into CAPTAIN, a strategic and creative studio helping ambitious founders and executives find their voice and category. Chris brings wisdom, humility, and bold insights on what it means to lead, evolve, and stay true to your creative instincts (no matter where you are in your journey), as well as what it takes to break into the business. 🔍 What We Talk About: How to make your brand “terribly tangible” Why clarity is a strategic superpower The real role of a creative director (and how the job is evolving) Why even seasoned leaders need co-captains The benefits and challenges of starting your own agency How AI and modern tools are changing the creative industry Advice for breaking into advertising today—and what Chris looks for in new talent Why your life experience is just as important as your portfolio Building your personal brand with purpose and authenticity The power of mentorship—even digital ones 💡 Key Takeaways: “Your network is everything.” Chris is a serial connector who believes in networking with intention, reciprocity, and purpose. Start sooner. Chris shares that he waited too long to start his own thing—and encourages others to bet on themselves earlier. Execution is being commoditized. Strategy and upstream creative thinking are more valuable than ever. Even captains need captains. Leadership can be lonely. Finding partners, advisors, or co-pilots can make all the difference. The best ideas still win. Amid all the noise and new tools, great storytelling and authenticity still rise to the top. 🔥 Memorable Quotes: “Your network is everything… 80 to 90% of your future business will come from it.” “I probably should have started a lot earlier. But that’s okay. You start when you’re ready.” “Creative direction is not about art—it’s about solving problems.” “Be interesting and be interested.” 🎯 Listen to this episode if you are: A founder or executive looking to level up your brand strategy A creative professional considering the leap to entrepreneurship An aspiring designer or storyteller wanting to break into the industry Curious about how branding, clarity, and leadership intersect Seeking inspiration on how to reinvent your career after 20+ years in the game 🔗 Links from the show: Chris D’Amico - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdamico/  CAPTAIN - https://www.wearecaptains.com/  Chris Do - The Futur Play Bigger book - https://www.playbigger.com/  How I Built This - https://wondery.com/shows/how-i-built-this/  The CMO Podcast - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimstengel/ Music by Lidérc. #careerjournies #careerstories #careerlessons #careeradvice #theunderswell #advertising #marketing #professional