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🏉 Welcome to The Overlap Rugby! 🏉
This is Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender.
Join rugby legends Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell as they share real stories, fresh perspectives, and dive into everything you love about the game.
We'll have legendary guests from ex-pros, to celebrity fans. This is your front-row seat to everything rugby - from unforgettable moments to untold stories.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes All Blacks legend Sean Fitzpatrick to the panel alongside, Scott Quinnell, Tom Shanklin, Phil Vickery and Maggie Alphonsi! 🏉🇳🇿Sean opens up about what it really means to wear the famous black jersey, the pressure of captaining New Zealand, and how Jonah Lomu changed rugby forever. ⚡️He lifts the lid on the All Blacks’ brutal standards, the heartbreak of the 1995 World Cup, and the intense rivalry with England that still defines international rugby. 🏆🔥From legacy and leadership to lessons learned from defeat, this is an honest, powerful and inspiring chat with one of the greatest captains the game has ever seen. 🌍0:00 Welcome back to Stick to Rugby!07:25 Sean Fitzpatrick’s INCREDIBLE All Blacks team 😳🇳🇿13:23 Reacting to (and predicting) the Quilter Nations 🔮🏆32:14 Growing up with Brian Fitzpatrick as a Dad 👶36:10 Does Sean Keep Memorabilia? 🥇👕37:21 Inspiring the Next Generation 👶42:59 The Power of the All Blacks Jersey 🇳🇿46:45 THAT 1996 South Africa Test Series 🇿🇦50:06 The New Era of All Blacks 🇳🇿1:00:11 Laureus Foundation ❤️1:07:45 Fitzy’s Favourites 🥰 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
1The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, features French rugby legend Serge Betsen, joining Scott Quinnell, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-McLean and Phil Vickery for a hard-hitting conversation.Nicknamed “The Grim Reaper” for his brutal tackling and relentless defence, Serge looks back on his fierce rivalry with England, his personal battles with Jonny Wilkinson, and the World Cup heartbreaks that still haunt him.He shares how rugby changed his life — from growing up in Cameroon, to finding purpose in Paris and Biarritz, and becoming one of France’s most feared flankers. Serge also discusses his dream move to Wasps, his take on France’s current World Cup hopes, and why he believes the team still isn’t ready to win it all.🚨 Subscribe now and hit the bell so you never miss an episode of Stick to Rugby.00:00 - Serge Betsen Memories02:32 - Best & Worst Rugby Roommates05:27 - Time Travel: Past or Future?07:02 - Teaser08:02 - Teammates Quiz11:52 - Growing Up in Cameroon & Moving to France15:22 - From Paris to Biarritz24:40 - Dream Move to Wasps32:34 - Representing France: 63 Caps & Big Moments37:05 - Jonny Wilkinson Rivalry & England Battles42:03 - Sports Science & Psychology45:44 - France World Cup Chances54:22 - Lions Tour in France Debate56:30 - Women’s Rugby World Cup59:05 - Légion d'Honneur & Charity Work01:02:46 - This or That with Serge Betsen Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back and 𝗢𝗻 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗥𝗼𝗮𝗱 as Shanks and Scott go for a spin with England and Saracens lock Nick Isiekwe!Nick opens up about the terrifying moment doctors told him his heart could burst, undergoing open-heart surgery, and his unbelievable return to professional rugby just four months later. 🤯He shares what it’s really like behind the scenes at Saracens, the standards Owen Farrell sets every single day, and the culture that’s helped shape him as a player and person. 🐪From the highs of representing England to the uncertainty of recovery, Nick’s story is one of resilience, perspective, and pure determination and it’s one you won’t forget anytime soon.❤️🔥 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes England and Leicester Tigers star Ollie Chessum to the panel alongside Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell, Tom Shanklin, and Topsy Ojo! 🚨Ollie opens up about his incredible journey from a Leicester academy prospect to England international, the injury that nearly ended his career, and what it really took to fight his way back to fitness. 💪He lifts the lid on Lions selection shock, being made Leicester Tigers captain, and the hilarious initiation secrets from inside England and Lions camps. 🦁🏉From recovery setbacks to leadership lessons, this is an honest, funny and inspiring chat with one of English rugby’s brightest talents! 🌹🔥 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Jonathan Joseph to the panel alongside Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell, Tom Shanklin, and Topsy Ojo! 🚨Jonathan opens up on his incredible journey from Bath to Biarritz, the challenges of life in France 🇫🇷, and the truth behind his retirement decision. He reflects on the highs of playing for England, the heartbreak of injuries, and the possibility of one final comeback... 👀From Six Nations glory to tough career choices and what life looks like after professional rugby, this is Jonathan Joseph as you’ve never heard him before — honest, reflective and refreshingly open. 🏉A must-watch conversation with one of England’s most gifted backs. Don’t miss it! 🔥 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, opens with a heartfelt tribute to Lewis Moody following the devastating news of his MND diagnosis.Phil Vickery shares personal memories, and the panel reflects on Lewis’s impact on the game and the outpouring of support that’s followed.Rugby League takes centre stage as Mike McMeeken and Martin Offiah join Phil Vickery, Scott Quinnell and Tom Shanklin to mark the return of the Ashes. Offiah looks ahead to England vs Australia and why the rivalry still matters, while McMeeken gives his take on the current squad, who to watch, and what to expect from this new era of international league.The panel also debates the biggest differences between league and union, and why so many players—like Sam Burgess, Jason Robinson and Scott himself—made the switch.Martin Offiah looks back on his favourite game and opens up about watching his son Tyler rise through the ranks. With Super League Final predictions and memories from Wembley, this is an episode full of passion, insight, and proper rugby league respect.🔔 Subscribe now and hit the bell so you never miss an episode of Stick to Rugby.00:00 - Rugby League Opener01:45 - Emotional Lewis Moody Tribute07:44 - Teaser08:45 - Rugby League Quiz13:00 - Ashes Return to Rugby League19:58 - Predictions & Mal Meninga23:34 - Ones to Watch & What To Expect27:52 - Super League Grand Final 29:24 - NRL vs Super League Debate32:50 - Rugby Union vs League37:38 - Rise of Women’s Rugby League39:00 - Grand Final Predictions42:00 - Mike McMeeken’s Introduction to Rugby46:35 - Rugby League Scene50:31 - Mike McMeeken’s Biggest Challenges52:10 - Martin Offiah’s Greatest Moments55:40 - Scott Quinnell’s Rugby League Career56:45 - Scott’s Favourite Offiah Moments01:00:19 - Community Questions Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes England international Henry Slade and WORLD CUP WINNER (🥳) Sarah Bern to the panel alongside Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell and Tom Shanklin and Topsy Ojo! 🚨Sarah opens up about her journey from the back row to becoming one of the world’s best props, the reality of body image in women’s rugby, and what it felt like to lift the World Cup with the Red Roses. She also reflects on the heartbreak of defeat, the brutal demands of set-piece training, and the record-breaking crowds transforming the women’s game. 🏆Henry reveals the truth about being dropped from the England squad, the highs and lows of his World Cup campaigns, and what loyalty to Exeter Chiefs means after more than a decade at the club. He also shares memories of playing with Sam Burgess, living with Type 1 diabetes, and his hopes for England in 2025. 🏉An honest, powerful and revealing conversation with two of the most fascinating figures in English rugby. This is NOT to be missed! 👀 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Black Ferns star Ruby Tui—Olympic champion, World Cup winner, and one of rugby’s most electrifying voices—alongside Katy Daley-McLean, Phil Vickery, and Tom Shanklin for a conversation full of laughs, vulnerability and unforgettable stories.Ruby opens up about her upbringing in New Zealand, how sport gave her a sense of purpose, and choosing between netball and rugby. She also shares the real story of when she met King Charles at Buckingham Palace.Ruby reflects on New Zealand’s semi-final loss to Canada, her honest assessment of what went wrong, and bold predictions for the World Cup final. She also talks through the meaning of the haka, the emotional power of wearing the Black Ferns jersey, and what inspired her book Straight Up.🚨 Subscribe now so you never miss an episode!00:00 – Bread Talk, Cookbooks & Scott’s Horror Injury06:05 – Teaser07:09 – Ruby Tui Joins & Kiwi Snack Chat09:12 – Who Am I: All Blacks & Black Ferns Edition12:33 – When Ruby Met King Charles 18:11 – Growing Up in New Zealand21:35 – How Sport Gave Ruby Belonging27:35 – When Ruby Knew Rugby Was It30:48 – Weight of the New Zealand Jersey35:39 – Rio 2016 & Olympic Village Stories40:39 – Winning Olympic Gold in Tokyo42:48 – The Power of the Haka48:01 – Winning the 2021 Rugby World Cup53:01 – Losing to Canada Reaction55:50 – England vs Canada Semi-Final Preview01:01:47 – The Real Ruby & Katy Daley McLean01:05:24 – Ruby’s Memoir: Straight Up01:09:16 – Growth of the Women’s Game01:11:08 – Community Questions Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
There’s 𝗧𝗛𝗥𝗘𝗘 World Cup winners on the latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, as rugby icon 𝗠𝗮𝗴𝗴𝗶𝗲 𝗔𝗹𝗽𝗵𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗶 is welcomed to the panel alongside Katy Daley-McLean, Phil Vickery, Scott Quinnell and Tom Shanklin. 🤩Maggie opens up about her remarkable journey from a council estate in South London to lifting the Rugby World Cup with the Red Roses. 🌹She reveals how being born with clubfoot became her superpower, the teacher who first pushed her into rugby, and what it was like to play at a time when women’s rugby was still fighting for recognition. 🏉She also reflects on the highs and lows of her England career from the heartbreak of losing World Cup finals to the relief of finally winning in 2014 and the teammates and role models who inspired her along the way. 👑Away from the pitch, Maggie discusses life after rugby, her work breaking barriers in sport, and how she’s mistaken for England captain to this day (which Katy is having none of!) 😂🧐An honest, powerful and inspiring conversation with one of the most influential figures in rugby. This one is NOT to be missed! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, features ex-England Sevens player and now Gladiators star Alex Gray, alongside Topsy Ojo, Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell and Tom ShanklinFrom the Newcastle Red Bulls to the NFL with the Atlanta Falcons, and now starring as Apollo on Gladiators, Alex opens up about his unique journey across rugby, American football, and primetime TV.The panel dives into his transition between sports, why rugby lost him to the NFL, and whether he’d ever make a return. Alex shares what filming Gladiators was really like behind the scenes, how it pushed him physically and mentally, and the surprising pressures of fame.There’s plenty of rugby chat too—from the future of Sevens, to the talent coming through in the UK, and what it’s like forging a new identity beyond the pitch.00:00 - On the Road Again03:56 - Teaser04:46 - Behind-the-Scenes & Delicacy of the Week06:10 - How ‘Apollo’ Got His Name07:26 - True or False: Quiz10:15 - Diet, Training & Game-Ready Physique12:13 - Gladiator Names13:01 - Auditioning for Gladiators19:47 - Gladiator Pressure & Nerves23:50 - Early Life & Rugby Roots 29:44 - Topsy Ojo’s Memory of Young Alex31:58 - Switching Codes: 15s to Sevens36:00 - Rio 2016 Olympic Heartbreak 38:29 - Biggest Rugby Regret 40:13 - Women’s Rugby World Cup48:16 - First Brit to Captain an NFL Pre-Season Game54:52 - Rugby or NFL? 59:28 - Time at Bath Rugby01:03:07 - Louis Rees-Zammit’s Return to Rugby01:05:04 - Either/Or Quiz Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back and 𝗢𝗻 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗥𝗼𝗮𝗱 as they go for a spin around Bath with England's Mackenzie Carson!Carson talks all things Red Roses, how she made the daring switch from representing Canada to donning an England shirt, growing up playing ice hockey, her relationship with fellow Red Rose Sarah Bern and much more! 🌹A jam-packed World Cup special that you do not want to miss! 👀 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes broadcasting legend Clare Balding to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell and Tom Shanklin. 🚨Clare opens up about her time at the heart of rugby league, why she believes the sport has fallen behind union, and what needs to change to secure its future. She reflects on the impact of the London 2012 Olympics, how it became a turning point for women’s sport, and what she’s seen since in terms of growth and visibility. 👑Away from rugby, Clare shares behind-the-scenes stories from Celebrity Traitors, the challenges of fronting huge national events, and how her passion for sport has shaped her broadcasting career. 🧐A wide-ranging and inspiring conversation with one of the most respected voices in British sport. It is NOT to be missed! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Scott Quinell and Red Roses legend Nolli Waterman are joined by Welsh rugby legend Shane Williams.From being told he was too small for rugby to becoming World Player of the Year, Shane opens up on his remarkable journey through the highs and lows of Welsh rugby. He reveals the truth about his bust-up with Warren Gatland, what it was really like during Wales’ golden era, and how he ended up coming out of retirement for the Lions! 🦁The group also dive into Shane’s debut against New Zealand, the pressure of international rugby, and why beating England always meant so much. 🏴With just two days until the Red Roses launch their World Cup campaign, we look at what success will looks like for England and Nolli tells how pressure has such a big affect on players, no matter how good they are! 🌹🔥 A mix of brutal honesty, behind-the-scenes stories, and iconic rugby moments you won’t want to miss. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back with a bang as ex-special forces Jason Fox parachutes into the studio for a hard-hitting episode with Katy Daley-Mclean, Lawrence Dallaglio, Topsy Ojo and Lewis Moody just in time for the Women’s World Cup. 🪂Jason lifts the lid on covert missions, reveals SAS: Who Dares Wins intel, and debriefs us on what happened when Lawrence and his England teammates faced a brutal military-style boot camp. He also opens up about his battle with PTSD, the mission to stay authentic, and why pressure either makes or breaks you.Elsewhere, Katy and the team preview the tournament’s biggest talking points and are joined by actor Amy Nelsen, who plays Emily Valentine, the first recorded female rugby player, in Defender’s new World Cup campaign. 🏉From leadership and mental resilience to iconic rugby stories and historic moments this is a powerful episode you won’t want to miss.Over and out 🫡 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Coming to you from Down Under, we've got a Shanks and Scott special episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, break down all the drama from the Lions' final test. 🏆Was a 3–0 Lions whitewash on the cards? Did Australia do enough to earn their win? And should Rugby Australia be worried about what’s coming next?The lads dig into the series highs and lows, assess standout players, and chat about how impressed they were with the travelling Lions' fans! 🦁Big opinions, test match fallout, and plenty of tour chaos all from the heart of Australia. 🇦🇺 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, returns with Lawrence Dallaglio and Katy Daly-McLean joined by birthday boy Topsy Ojo and England World Cup winner Lewis Moody!Lewis reflects on the moment he became the first England player in 105 years to get a red card at Twickenham, relives his 2003 World Cup memories, and reveals the truth behind his “Mad Dog” nickname, including that infamous scrap with Alex Tuilagi.Topsy opens up about scoring twice on debut against New Zealand (and still getting dropped), how close he came to joining Toulouse, and the moment he decided to give rugby one last shot on a gap year.The panel also debates the Lions’ epic comeback against Australia, whether England’s fly-half debate is finally settled, and how Maro Itoje has handled captaincy on tour.From red cards and World Cup glory to family lessons, drinking culture and missed opportunities, this is Lewis and Topsy as you’ve never heard them before. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Topsy Ojo and Lewis Moody join Lawrence and Katy this week as they sit down with England legend Neil Back for an unfiltered look back at one of rugby’s most fascinating careers.Neil reflects on the controversies that defined him — from being banned for (allegedly) pushing a referee to masterminding the infamous “Hand of Back” in the 2002 European Cup Final and if he has any regrets.There’s plenty of British & Irish Lions reaction too, as the panel debates this year’s squad, Neil shares his Lions memories and lifts the lid on what really happens on tour.He opens up about his journey from being laughed at as a youngster to lifting the 2003 World Cup, and explains how a six-month ban shaped the player he became.There are stories of brutal bleep tests, fierce rivalries and chaotic moments — including the time Back knocked out a fan after the 1999 World Cup. 00:00 - Lewis Moody & Topsy Ojo Step In For Shanks & Scott!05:07 - Dream Teammates: Past or Present08:25 - Teaser09:33 - Behind-the-Scenes & Delicacy of the Week10:09 - Quickfire Questions20:24 - Neil Back’s Sporting Upbringing24:05 - Breaking the Mould as a Back Row Forward28:01 - Nottingham, Leicester & England U21s32:07 - Leicester Standout Moments35:27 - Drinking Culture 37:41 - Leicester vs Wasps Rivalry40:47 - Pilkington Cup Final & 6-Month Ban42:37 - The Hand of Back Explained47:27 - England’s 2003 World Cup Win50:00 - Fight With a Fan in 199952:20 - Dean Richards & Clive Woodward55:15 - The Holy Trinity Back Row01:00:09 - World Cup Anti-Climax?01:02:45 - Lions First Test Picks & New Format Debate01:12:45 - Either/Or Quiz Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Scott Quinnell and special guest host Sarah Hunter sit down with one of Welsh rugby’s most recognisable names: Gavin Henson! 🏴Gavin opens up about his unique career journey, from filming The Bachelor when he got called up to play for Wales, to what it really means to retire on your own terms. He lifts the lid on the routines that shaped him, his love of football (and setting up Super Fox United!), and how supporting Man United fuelled his passion for sport.The team dive into Gavin’s best memories in the Wales shirt, plus Lions predictions, playing both league and union, and the position he always loved most.Gavin also shares how The Chimp Paradox changed his mindset, why coaching can be so tough, and what he’s up to now with his company U-Test and his pub, The Fox. And yes, we couldn’t resist ranking some of his most iconic haircuts too! 💇♂️One of rugby’s most fascinating characters, opening up on fame, football, fond memories and future plans.🚨🔔 Subscribe now and hit the notification bell so you never miss an episode! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back — and this week we’re joined by legendary Michelin-starred chef Tom Kerridge, alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-Mclean and Scott Quinnell.Tom lifts the lid on his incredible journey from the rugby pitch in Gloucester to running one of the UK’s most acclaimed kitchens. He shares how his time in the front row shaped his career, the high-pressure crossover between rugby and fine dining, and what he learned from chefs like Rick Stein and shows like Great British Menu.The team dive into everything from Shanks’ baking, feeding rugby players vs Williams Racing, and Tom being snubbed on the F1 grid at Silverstone 2025 by Martin Brundle... for Tom Holland.On the rugby front, there’s pride in coaching his son’s team, shoutouts for rising stars like Henry Pollock, and strong views on the British & Irish Lions and the Owen Farrell vs George Ford debate — with Andy Farrell never far from the conversation.Tom also opens up about his alcohol recovery, mental health, and the mindset it took to earn multiple Michelin Stars, all while navigating fame, TV and the intensity of hospitality life.Oh, and there’s Glastonbury chat, Oasis love, and an unexpected pit stop from Scott… Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby is hitting the road once again, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio and Tom Shanklin sit down with England’s Mike Brown.Brown opens up about the mindset that made him one of the Premiership’s fiercest competitors, why Harlequins and England meant everything to him, and how he handled the big fall-out with Eddie Jones.He reflects on the controversial Premiership Final, the chip on his shoulder that fuelled his career, and the clashes (including a secret punch in the 🍒 from Dallaglio in a ruck) that shaped him on the pitch.The lads also tackle what rugby needs to fix for the next generation, the pressures of international selection, and whether Brown regrets how it all ended with England.Brutally honest, fiery and full of stories… this is Mike Brown as you’ve never heard him before!00:00 On the Road is BACK!01:27 Reacting to Gallagher Premiership Final Loss04:35 What Michael Cheika brought to Leicester Tigers06:08 The Secret to Mike Brown’s Longevity12:18 How Mike got into Rugby21:00 Mike’s Relationship with the Media and THAT Interview23:11 Most Proud Moments in Mike’s Career26:05 How Mike’s Relationship with Eddie Jones Changed30:33 Mike’s Bestfriends in Rugby32:55 Mike’s Toughest Opposition37:04 Most Underrated Players38:45 Players who Taught Mike the Most 42:45 Best Moments in Mike’s Career44:50 Life After Retirement48:00 Mike’s Call to Arms to Help Rugby Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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