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šŸ‰ Welcome to The Overlap Rugby! šŸ‰


This is Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender.


Join rugby legends Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell as they share real stories, fresh perspectives, and dive into everything you love about the game.


We'll have legendary guests from ex-pros, to celebrity fans. This is your front-row seat to everything rugby - from unforgettable moments to untold stories.


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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Black Ferns star Ruby Tui—Olympic champion, World Cup winner, and one of rugby’s most electrifying voices—alongside Katy Daley-McLean, Phil Vickery, and Tom Shanklin for a conversation full of laughs, vulnerability and unforgettable stories.Ruby opens up about her upbringing in New Zealand, how sport gave her a sense of purpose, and choosing between netball and rugby. She also shares the real story of when she met King Charles at Buckingham Palace.Ruby reflects on New Zealand’s semi-final loss to Canada, her honest assessment of what went wrong, and bold predictions for the World Cup final. She also talks through the meaning of the haka, the emotional power of wearing the Black Ferns jersey, and what inspired her book Straight Up.🚨 Subscribe now so you never miss an episode!00:00 – Bread Talk, Cookbooks & Scott’s Horror Injury06:05 – Teaser07:09 – Ruby Tui Joins & Kiwi Snack Chat09:12 – Who Am I: All Blacks & Black Ferns Edition12:33 – When Ruby Met King Charles 18:11 – Growing Up in New Zealand21:35 – How Sport Gave Ruby Belonging27:35 – When Ruby Knew Rugby Was It30:48 – Weight of the New Zealand Jersey35:39 – Rio 2016 & Olympic Village Stories40:39 – Winning Olympic Gold in Tokyo42:48 – The Power of the Haka48:01 – Winning the 2021 Rugby World Cup53:01 – Losing to Canada Reaction55:50 – England vs Canada Semi-Final Preview01:01:47 – The Real Ruby & Katy Daley McLean01:05:24 – Ruby’s Memoir: Straight Up01:09:16 – Growth of the Women’s Game01:11:08 – Community Questions Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
There’s š—§š—›š—„š—˜š—˜ World Cup winners on the latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, as rugby icon š— š—®š—“š—“š—¶š—² š—”š—¹š—½š—µš—¼š—»š˜€š—¶ is welcomed to the panel alongside Katy Daley-McLean, Phil Vickery, Scott Quinnell and Tom Shanklin. 🤩Maggie opens up about her remarkable journey from a council estate in South London to lifting the Rugby World Cup with the Red Roses. 🌹She reveals how being born with clubfoot became her superpower, the teacher who first pushed her into rugby, and what it was like to play at a time when women’s rugby was still fighting for recognition. šŸ‰She also reflects on the highs and lows of her England career from the heartbreak of losing World Cup finals to the relief of finally winning in 2014 and the teammates and role models who inspired her along the way. šŸ‘‘Away from the pitch, Maggie discusses life after rugby, her work breaking barriers in sport, and how she’s mistaken for England captain to this day (which Katy is having none of!) šŸ˜‚šŸ§An honest, powerful and inspiring conversation with one of the most influential figures in rugby. This one is NOT to be missed! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, features ex-England Sevens player and now Gladiators star Alex Gray, alongside Topsy Ojo, Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell and Tom ShanklinFrom the Newcastle Red Bulls to the NFL with the Atlanta Falcons, and now starring as Apollo on Gladiators, Alex opens up about his unique journey across rugby, American football, and primetime TV.The panel dives into his transition between sports, why rugby lost him to the NFL, and whether he’d ever make a return. Alex shares what filming Gladiators was really like behind the scenes, how it pushed him physically and mentally, and the surprising pressures of fame.There’s plenty of rugby chat too—from the future of Sevens, to the talent coming through in the UK, and what it’s like forging a new identity beyond the pitch.00:00 - On the Road Again03:56 - Teaser04:46 - Behind-the-Scenes & Delicacy of the Week06:10 - How ā€˜Apollo’ Got His Name07:26 - True or False: Quiz10:15 - Diet, Training & Game-Ready Physique12:13 - Gladiator Names13:01 - Auditioning for Gladiators19:47 - Gladiator Pressure & Nerves23:50 - Early Life & Rugby Roots 29:44 - Topsy Ojo’s Memory of Young Alex31:58 - Switching Codes: 15s to Sevens36:00 - Rio 2016 Olympic Heartbreak 38:29 - Biggest Rugby Regret 40:13 - Women’s Rugby World Cup48:16 - First Brit to Captain an NFL Pre-Season Game54:52 - Rugby or NFL? 59:28 - Time at Bath Rugby01:03:07 - Louis Rees-Zammit’s Return to Rugby01:05:04 - Either/Or Quiz Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back and š—¢š—» š—§š—µš—² š—„š—¼š—®š—± as they go for a spin around Bath with England's Mackenzie Carson!Carson talks all things Red Roses, how she made the daring switch from representing Canada to donning an England shirt, growing up playing ice hockey, her relationship with fellow Red Rose Sarah Bern and much more! 🌹A jam-packed World Cup special that you do not want to miss! šŸ‘€ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes broadcasting legend Clare Balding to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Scott Quinnell and Tom Shanklin. 🚨Clare opens up about her time at the heart of rugby league, why she believes the sport has fallen behind union, and what needs to change to secure its future. She reflects on the impact of the London 2012 Olympics, how it became a turning point for women’s sport, and what she’s seen since in terms of growth and visibility. šŸ‘‘Away from rugby, Clare shares behind-the-scenes stories from Celebrity Traitors, the challenges of fronting huge national events, and how her passion for sport has shaped her broadcasting career. 🧐A wide-ranging and inspiring conversation with one of the most respected voices in British sport. It is NOT to be missed! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Scott Quinell and Red Roses legend Nolli Waterman are joined by Welsh rugby legend Shane Williams.From being told he was too small for rugby to becoming World Player of the Year, Shane opens up on his remarkable journey through the highs and lows of Welsh rugby. He reveals the truth about his bust-up with Warren Gatland, what it was really like during Wales’ golden era, and how he ended up coming out of retirement for the Lions! 🦁The group also dive into Shane’s debut against New Zealand, the pressure of international rugby, and why beating England always meant so much. šŸ“ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó æWith just two days until the Red Roses launch their World Cup campaign, we look at what success will looks like for England and Nolli tells how pressure has such a big affect on players, no matter how good they are! šŸŒ¹šŸ”„ A mix of brutal honesty, behind-the-scenes stories, and iconic rugby moments you won’t want to miss. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back with a bang as ex-special forces Jason Fox parachutes into the studio for a hard-hitting episode with Katy Daley-Mclean, Lawrence Dallaglio, Topsy Ojo and Lewis Moody just in time for the Women’s World Cup. šŸŖ‚Jason lifts the lid on covert missions, reveals SAS: Who Dares Wins intel, and debriefs us on what happened when Lawrence and his England teammates faced a brutal military-style boot camp. He also opens up about his battle with PTSD, the mission to stay authentic, and why pressure either makes or breaks you.Elsewhere, Katy and the team preview the tournament’s biggest talking points and are joined by actor Amy Nelsen, who plays Emily Valentine, the first recorded female rugby player, in Defender’s new World Cup campaign. šŸ‰From leadership and mental resilience to iconic rugby stories and historic moments this is a powerful episode you won’t want to miss.Over and out 🫔 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Coming to you from Down Under, we've got a Shanks and Scott special episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, break down all the drama from the Lions' final test. šŸ†Was a 3–0 Lions whitewash on the cards? Did Australia do enough to earn their win? And should Rugby Australia be worried about what’s coming next?The lads dig into the series highs and lows, assess standout players, and chat about how impressed they were with the travelling Lions' fans! 🦁Big opinions, test match fallout, and plenty of tour chaos all from the heart of Australia. šŸ‡¦šŸ‡ŗ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, returns with Lawrence Dallaglio and Katy Daly-McLean joined by birthday boy Topsy Ojo and England World Cup winner Lewis Moody!Lewis reflects on the moment he became the first England player in 105 years to get a red card at Twickenham, relives his 2003 World Cup memories, and reveals the truth behind his ā€œMad Dogā€ nickname, including that infamous scrap with Alex Tuilagi.Topsy opens up about scoring twice on debut against New Zealand (and still getting dropped), how close he came to joining Toulouse, and the moment he decided to give rugby one last shot on a gap year.The panel also debates the Lions’ epic comeback against Australia, whether England’s fly-half debate is finally settled, and how Maro Itoje has handled captaincy on tour.From red cards and World Cup glory to family lessons, drinking culture and missed opportunities, this is Lewis and Topsy as you’ve never heard them before. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Topsy Ojo and Lewis Moody join Lawrence and Katy this week as they sit down with England legend Neil Back for an unfiltered look back at one of rugby’s most fascinating careers.Neil reflects on the controversies that defined him — from being banned for (allegedly) pushing a referee to masterminding the infamous ā€œHand of Backā€ in the 2002 European Cup Final and if he has any regrets.There’s plenty of British & Irish Lions reaction too, as the panel debates this year’s squad, Neil shares his Lions memories and lifts the lid on what really happens on tour.He opens up about his journey from being laughed at as a youngster to lifting the 2003 World Cup, and explains how a six-month ban shaped the player he became.There are stories of brutal bleep tests, fierce rivalries and chaotic moments — including the time Back knocked out a fan after the 1999 World Cup. 00:00 - Lewis Moody & Topsy Ojo Step In For Shanks & Scott!05:07 - Dream Teammates: Past or Present08:25 - Teaser09:33 - Behind-the-Scenes & Delicacy of the Week10:09 - Quickfire Questions20:24 - Neil Back’s Sporting Upbringing24:05 - Breaking the Mould as a Back Row Forward28:01 - Nottingham, Leicester & England U21s32:07 - Leicester Standout Moments35:27 - Drinking Culture 37:41 - Leicester vs Wasps Rivalry40:47 - Pilkington Cup Final & 6-Month Ban42:37 - The Hand of Back Explained47:27 - England’s 2003 World Cup Win50:00 - Fight With a Fan in 199952:20 - Dean Richards & Clive Woodward55:15 - The Holy Trinity Back Row01:00:09 - World Cup Anti-Climax?01:02:45 - Lions First Test Picks & New Format Debate01:12:45 - Either/Or Quiz Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Scott Quinnell and special guest host Sarah Hunter sit down with one of Welsh rugby’s most recognisable names: Gavin Henson! šŸ“ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó æGavin opens up about his unique career journey, from filming The Bachelor when he got called up to play for Wales, to what it really means to retire on your own terms. He lifts the lid on the routines that shaped him, his love of football (and setting up Super Fox United!), and how supporting Man United fuelled his passion for sport.The team dive into Gavin’s best memories in the Wales shirt, plus Lions predictions, playing both league and union, and the position he always loved most.Gavin also shares how The Chimp Paradox changed his mindset, why coaching can be so tough, and what he’s up to now with his company U-Test and his pub, The Fox. And yes, we couldn’t resist ranking some of his most iconic haircuts too! šŸ’‡ā€ā™‚ļøOne of rugby’s most fascinating characters, opening up on fame, football, fond memories and future plans.šŸšØšŸ”” Subscribe now and hit the notification bell so you never miss an episode! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back — and this week we’re joined by legendary Michelin-starred chef Tom Kerridge, alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-Mclean and Scott Quinnell.Tom lifts the lid on his incredible journey from the rugby pitch in Gloucester to running one of the UK’s most acclaimed kitchens. He shares how his time in the front row shaped his career, the high-pressure crossover between rugby and fine dining, and what he learned from chefs like Rick Stein and shows like Great British Menu.The team dive into everything from Shanks’ baking, feeding rugby players vs Williams Racing, and Tom being snubbed on the F1 grid at Silverstone 2025 by Martin Brundle... for Tom Holland.On the rugby front, there’s pride in coaching his son’s team, shoutouts for rising stars like Henry Pollock, and strong views on the British & Irish Lions and the Owen Farrell vs George Ford debate — with Andy Farrell never far from the conversation.Tom also opens up about his alcohol recovery, mental health, and the mindset it took to earn multiple Michelin Stars, all while navigating fame, TV and the intensity of hospitality life.Oh, and there’s Glastonbury chat, Oasis love, and an unexpected pit stop from Scott… Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Stick to Rugby is hitting the road once again, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio and Tom Shanklin sit down with England’s Mike Brown.Brown opens up about the mindset that made him one of the Premiership’s fiercest competitors, why Harlequins and England meant everything to him, and how he handled the big fall-out with Eddie Jones.He reflects on the controversial Premiership Final, the chip on his shoulder that fuelled his career, and the clashes (including a secret punch in the šŸ’ from Dallaglio in a ruck) that shaped him on the pitch.The lads also tackle what rugby needs to fix for the next generation, the pressures of international selection, and whether Brown regrets how it all ended with England.Brutally honest, fiery and full of stories… this is Mike Brown as you’ve never heard him before!00:00 On the Road is BACK!01:27 Reacting to Gallagher Premiership Final Loss04:35 What Michael Cheika brought to Leicester Tigers06:08 The Secret to Mike Brown’s Longevity12:18 How Mike got into Rugby21:00 Mike’s Relationship with the Media and THAT Interview23:11 Most Proud Moments in Mike’s Career26:05 How Mike’s Relationship with Eddie Jones Changed30:33 Mike’s Bestfriends in Rugby32:55 Mike’s Toughest Opposition37:04 Most Underrated Players38:45 Players who Taught Mike the Most 42:45 Best Moments in Mike’s Career44:50 Life After Retirement48:00 Mike’s Call to Arms to Help Rugby Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
We take Stick to Rugby on the road again this week, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio and Scott Quinnell are joined by rugby legend Kevin Sinfield.From signing pro at just 13 to captaining that iconic Leeds Rhinos side and now coaching with England, Kevin opens up about the highs and heartbreaks of a remarkable career including what it was like losing five Challenge Cup finals and his incredible friendship with Rob BurrowThey dive into Sinfield’s biggest sliding door moments, whether he prefers rugby union or league, and the powerful truth behind raising millions for MND. Plus, he lifts the lid on his England role, coaching philosophy and the advice he’d give to his younger self! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees hosts Lawrence Dallaglio, Thomas Shanklin, and Katy Daley-Mclean sit down with Louis Rees-Zammit for a rapid-fire, globe-trotting episode packed with personal reflections, jaw-dropping transitions, and untold stories from both sides.Rees-Zammit kicks things off with quickfire questions before opening up on his early love for football, his obsession with Cristiano Ronaldo, and the American football influence he soaked up at home thanks to his dad. He reveals the moment he was told he’d never play for Wales after leaving Cardiff Blues — and how he proved everyone wrong by making his Test debut just years later.He relives his proudest moment in a Wales jersey, what it meant to finally play in front of Welsh fans, and doesn’t shy away from the team’s recent struggles. There’s Lions chat too — from the surreal COVID tour that ā€œfelt like training gamesā€ to passing the torch (and mascot duties) on to Pollock.Then it’s all eyes on the NFL. Rees-Zammit shares how he knew it was time to make the leap, the brutal reality of trying to make it in the States, and how it felt getting picked up by the Kansas City Chiefs. He reveals the physical toll of NFL training (rugby players beware), reflects on the massive life decision he faced at 22, and the inspiration he took from Travis Clayton. Oh — and there’s a surprise letter from Taylor Swift.Finally, he answers the big question: could a return to rugby still be on the cards? And what has he come to love most about life in America? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees hosts Lawrence Dallaglio, Louis Rees-Zammit, and Katy Daley-Mclean welcome Wallaby legend George Gregan for a fast-paced, story-packed deep dive into finals pressure, Rugby League rumours, and the magic of biggest moments.Rees-Zammit reflects on the surreal moment he was picked for the Lions at 19, and the huge sense of relief when a defender pulled up just before a 1v1 in the final. He lifts the lid on Finn Russell’s leadership, his outrageous performance at the weekend — and why he's the guy that holds it all together. Gregan agrees… and admits Finn seriously worries him.Gregan breaks down who to watch for the Wallabies this summer and gives his verdict on the Australia Women’s chances against the USA at the World Cup. He takes us back to that tackle on Jeff Wilson, winning the '99 World Cup, and the roar of 40,000 fans at the Hong Kong 7s. He also shares who inspired him growing up — and who really calls the shots in a team full of egos.There’s code-switching chat too: Gregan on nearly jumping to Rugby League in the 90s — and Dallaglio revealing when the Bradford Bulls came knocking.Plus, the panel break down Bath’s massive Premiership final win and share what makes a defining moment at the top level. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes former Ireland and British & Irish Lions centre Rob Henderson to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin and Katy Daley-Mclean for a fast-paced and emotional deep dive into Irish rugby’s rise, Lions heartbreak and life on tour.Henderson opens up about his late start in rugby, why it was ā€œalways Irelandā€ for him, and how the iconic 2001 win over England became a defining moment for Irish rugby. He reflects on the Lions tour to Australia, the devastation of the Test series loss, and the famous ā€œwe ran out of petrolā€ line that still haunts him.There are tales of chaos and camaraderie; sharing a room with Lawrence, getting fake tanned before games, and when the Irish team met the Pope. He reveals how Clive Woodward changed his career, why ā€œyou hate losing more than you like winningā€, and what it meant to earn his first cap.From huge hits to wild stories, this episode captures the full spectrum of rugby life: unfiltered, hilarious, and deeply personal.Once a Lion, always a Lion. Don’t miss it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
We take Stick to Rugby on the road this week, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin and the returning Joe Marler jump in for some front-seat rugby chat (and chaos).From Shaun Edwards banning music in the dressing room, to Joe Marler’s obsession with coleslaw and his death row meal pick — this is a no-filter ride through rugby’s funniest, weirdest, and most unexpected stories.The lads also lift the lid on what it’s really like being a ā€œbench captainā€, debate the direction the game’s heading, and reveal their dream five-a-side team made entirely of rugby players.One car. Three legends. Unlimited nonsense.00:00 – Marler’s Back01:46 – Young Joe Marler 02:26 – One Thing Joe Regrets04:46 – Inside the ā€˜Bench Captain’ Role09:56 – Andy Powell & Bench Stories11:50 – Motorway Service & Dressing Rooms15:55 – Feedback: Giving & Taking It19:03 – Death Row Meal 25:29 – Initiation Songs & Marler’s 5-a-Side Team 28:44 – Dan Cole Appreciation31:40 – Social Media: Good or Bad for Rugby?33:34 – Stick to Rugby: The Movie Cast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes England’s youngest-ever captain Will Carling to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell for a personal and honest conversation about leadership, pressure, and life beyond the game.Will opens up about being handed the England captaincy at just 22, the internal battles he faced, and the moments he knew he bottled it. He shares how handwritten letters helped him connect with his teammates and why leadership is about ā€œthe little touches.ā€The team revisits his media challenges, post-career struggles, and the mental toll of going from national icon to ā€œcar crash years.ā€ Carling also lifts the lid on his role under Eddie Jones, why Clive Woodward built the better environment, and how English rugby has struggled to replicate success since 2003.There are plenty of stories along the way — from meeting Nelson Mandela and Robin Williams, to why his teammates bet on how long he’d last as captain, and how Peter Winterbottom terrified everyone.One of English rugby’s most defining figures joins the show for a look back on legacy, leadership and life in the spotlight. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees Adam ā€œBombā€ Jones join Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-McLean, and Scott Quinnell for a brilliantly unfiltered chat about World Cup pain, Welsh rugby politics, and his infamous fallout with Steve Hansen.Adam opens up on the toughest moments of his career—from being hooked after 30 minutes by Hansen to the emotional toll of World Cup failure. He reveals how that moment changed him, what really happened behind the scenes, and why it became the turning point in his career.He shares heartfelt memories of Jerry Collins, his surprising coaching ambitions with Wales, and how Joe Marler became one of the most misunderstood players in rugby.From raw honesty to all-time tour stories, this one’s packed with character, chaos and a few emotional curveballs.šŸšØšŸ”” Subscribe now and hit the notification bell so you never miss an episode! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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