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Welcome to Heaven or Heisman, the podcast where we blend faith, family, and sports to help you raise confident, resilient kids. In each episode, we dive into the challenges parents face when guiding their children through the world of athletics and beyond, all while grounding our advice in Biblical principles. From helping your child practice more to building their confidence, and teaching them how to embrace failure, we offer practical tips and relatable stories to make the journey a little easier (and a lot more fun).

Whether you’re wondering how to encourage your child’s love for the game, help them develop a strong work ethic, or teach them to handle pressure with grace, Heaven or Heisman has you covered. Join us as we tackle key parenting moments in sports—balancing discipline with fun, praising effort over performance, and fostering character that lasts. Let’s navigate the world of youth sports together, one practice, one game, and one lesson at a time. Tune in for inspiring insights, faith-based wisdom, and a whole lot of heart!

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What does it actually look like to coach kids well and to parent youth sports without losing perspective? In this episode, we sit down with Brad from The Coaching Dad to talk honestly about the realities of volunteer coaching, sideline pressure, and the expectations parents and coaches quietly carry. From first-time dad-coaches stepping onto the field to navigating yelling, playing time, and perceived favoritism, Brad shares practical wisdom for keeping youth sports simple, fun, and development-focused.Together, we wrestle with the tension between winning and growth, why fundamentals and “chaotic” practices matter more than short-term results, and how parents can take ownership of their child’s development without putting unfair pressure on volunteer coaches. This conversation is a reminder that youth sports are a long game, and when we focus on character, confidence, and joy, we give kids something far more valuable than a trophy.
What does it really take to chase a baseball dream, and what does it cost along the way? In this episode, we sit down with former college baseball player Bryce Lenz to pull back the curtain on the long road from youth ball to college and beyond. Together, we talk about time, pressure, burnout, and the difference between loving the game and treating it like a job. Bryce shares his firsthand experience navigating multi-sport life, early specialization, club baseball culture, and the grind of post-college opportunities where talent, timing, and sacrifice collide. Along the way, we wrestle with questions parents and athletes rarely slow down to ask. When should kids specialize? How much is too much? What happens when sports become our identity? Through honest stories, humor, and faith-centered wisdom, this conversation invites families to think differently about development, joy, and purpose, reminding us that baseball is something we do, not who we are.
Is youth baseball actually toxic, or are we navigating it without a clear map? In this season two opener, Luke Baker and Jean Anderson tackle one of the most emotionally charged questions parents face. When does competitive baseball help our kids thrive, and when does it quietly cost us more than we realize? Drawing from years of coaching, parenting, and faith centered reflection, we explore the realities of rec ball, select teams, and travel baseball while looking honestly at money, time, pressure, and the subtle ways adult expectations shape a child’s experience. Along the way, we talk about “crazy parent” moments we have all felt, the difference between development and winning, how to spot healthy versus toxic club cultures, and why counting all the costs, financial, relational, and spiritual, truly matters. With humor, humility, and hope, this conversation invites parents to slow down, ask better questions, and choose youth sports paths that protect joy, character, and family values long before the scoreboard ever does.Select Baseball Toxic vs ThrivingSelect Baseball Cost Checklist
What’s the right way to support a young athlete without pushing too hard? In this episode, we dive into strength and conditioning for kids, preventing overuse injuries during rapid growth phases, and the timing of sport specialization. Dr. John Arvesen shares practical tips for recognizing warning signs like persistent pain, swelling, or fatigue, balancing recovery with competition, and fostering long-term health through sleep, nutrition, and rest. We also explore the difference between structured, year-round training and play-based, intrinsic specialization that keeps kids engaged without risk of burnout. Whether your child is just starting out or committed to a primary sport, this conversation gives parents tools to guide their athletes wisely and intentionally.
What do you do when your team doesn’t win a single game all season? Luke, Jean, and Aaron get real about what it’s like to lead a winless team—and what that reveals about our expectations as parents and coaches. From redefining what “winning” looks like to checking our own hearts when we care more than the kids do, this conversation reminds us that character and joy matter more than the scoreboard. They unpack how to keep kids motivated, handle frustrated parents, and help both the ultra-competitive and the carefree players grow through it all. Whether your team’s undefeated or winless, this one’s a gut-check for every coach and dad who wants to raise kids who love the game—and don’t lose perspective along the way.
What happens when a dad’s good intentions turn into pressure that crushes his kid’s love for the game? Luke and Jean sit down with guest Brian Campion to talk about how easily encouragement can cross into control — and the long-term impact it can have on a child’s heart. From sideline intensity to post-game car rides, they unpack real stories of overbearing parenting, share lessons from Scripture, and offer practical ways to build character and connection instead of resentment. Whether you coach, cheer, or just want to raise resilient kids, this episode will challenge and encourage you to refocus on what really matters.
This week, Luke Baker and Jean Anderson sit down with authors Brian Smith and Ed Uszynski, who co-wrote Away Game: A Christian Parent’s Guide to Navigating Youth Sports. Together, they explore how faith can transform the way parents and kids experience today’s high-pressure sports culture.Brian and Ed share their experiences from decades in sports ministry, unpacking how Christian families can thrive in a youth sports world that often feels like “an away game.” They discuss balancing competition with character, the pressure of performance, how parents can model grace from the sidelines, and what it really means to raise kids who love both Jesus and the game.If you’ve ever wrestled with travel teams, Sunday tournaments, or the tension between sports and church, this episode is for you.🎧 Listen now to discover how to win what really matters.
Luke and Jean and the team dive into the phrase “Look good, feel good, feel good, play good”—popularized by Coach Prime—and how it applies to youth sports and beyond. They explore the balance between providing kids with gear that helps them feel prepared and confident versus overemphasizing appearance to the point it becomes a crutch.Jean recounts showing up at a high-level youth football tournament where the teams, coaches, and even parents had coordinated looks that created an atmosphere of professionalism and intimidation. The discussion covers practical basics—properly fitting cleats, inflated balls, and a good backpack—as well as optional accessories for self-expression, like sunglasses or armbands.The conversation shifts to deeper lessons: teaching kids their identity is in Christ, not in their gear, and building resilience so they can play well even without their preferred equipment. Ultimately, the message is to do the basics well, let personality shine within reason, and keep confidence rooted in skill and faith—not just appearance.Key TakeawaysPrinciple Matters: The “look good, feel good, play good” mindset can boost confidence and send a message of professionalism and readiness.Start with Basics: Properly fitting gear, an inflated ball, and a simple backpack go a long way—fancy extras aren’t necessary.Balance Expression & Practicality: Allow kids to express their personality through accessories if it’s fun for them, but avoid over-reliance on appearance.Root Confidence in the Right Place: Remind kids their worth and success aren’t defined by what they wear but by their identity in Christ (Colossians 3:23).Foster Resilience: Equip kids to adapt and perform even when missing their usual gear—confidence should come from skill, preparation, and mindset.
Jean and Luke dive into the challenges and opportunities parents and coaches face in youth sports. Using the analogy of “mowing the parking lot,” they unpack why kids often spend more time at practice than actually improving—and how small adjustments can make a big difference.From cutting down wasted minutes in lines and water breaks to teaching skills at the “edge of ability,” the conversation is full of practical insights for parents, coaches, and athletes alike. You’ll hear stories about Jonathan Isaac’s faith-driven shoe brand, lessons from the Williams sisters’ early training, and why unstructured play might be one of the best ways kids can grow.Whether you’re a coach looking to run better practices or a parent wanting to support your child’s love of the game, this episode gives you actionable tools and encouragement to help kids truly get better—and enjoy the process along the way.
Today we have special guest Aaron Rose as we dive into a game-changing book: The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry by John Mark Comer. The conversation explores why hurry is the enemy of love, peace, and spiritual growth—and how it’s quietly shaping our kids, our parenting, and our sports culture.From rushed car rides and late-night practices to forgotten shin guards and Chick-fil-A dinners in the backseat, they unpack the cost of living life at a frenetic pace. You’ll hear practical ways to slow down, protect family relationships, and reclaim joy—without giving up on sports altogether. Whether you’re a parent juggling multiple kids’ schedules or someone craving a slower, more intentional life, this episode offers both conviction and encouragement.Key Takeaways:Why hurry and love can’t coexistHow rushing creates anxiety in kids (and parents)Practical ways to embrace a slower schedule in youth sportsThe freedom of redefining commitment to a teamHow to use car rides and downtime for deeper connection
In this episode of Heaven or Heisman, we sit down with our friend Kyle Porter from Normal Sport for a deep conversation that blends golf, faith, and the search for meaning. Together with Jean and the team, Kyle unpacks Scottie Scheffler’s surprising press conference comments on fulfillment, Ecclesiastes, and what it truly means to chase success.From Solomon’s wisdom to the grind of professional athletes, the crew explores why even at the very top, achievement often feels empty. They dive into the tension between joy and happiness, the fleeting nature of success, and how faith reshapes our understanding of work, family, and calling. Along the way, you’ll hear stories of triumph, struggle, and the lessons parents and athletes alike can draw from sports culture.If you’ve ever wrestled with the question, “Is this it?”—this episode will challenge and encourage you to see beyond accomplishments to the deeper source of lasting joy.
Today we dive headfirst into the cultural shift in youth sports—how money, pressure, and year-round specialization are reshaping the game for kids and families alike. We reflect on what sports used to be, where they’re headed, and the ripple effects on motivation, structure, access, family roles, and kids’ identities. From NIL million-dollar deals to the quiet erosion of “just playing for fun,” we share our honest thoughts, personal experiences, and biblical insights on how parents can navigate this new landscape without losing sight of what matters most.Key TakeawaysYouth sports motivation has shifted from fun to fame, money, and exposure.Year-round specialization is erasing the seasonal variety and joy of multiple sports.Fast-tracking kids’ development often comes at the expense of long-term growth.Access to elite opportunities is increasingly tied to wealth and connections.Parents’ roles are moving from supportive cheerleaders to high-stakes investors.Kids are being branded as athletes first, rather than being valued as children.Burnout, anxiety, and depression are real risks in this pressurized environment.The culture around sports often mirrors the idolization of money in Scripture.Families can model a healthier culture by redefining success and celebrating character.Change starts one kid, one team, one family at a time.
In this lighthearted and honest episode, Luke Baker and Jean Anderson share the chaos, comedy, and camaraderie that comes with being a youth sports parent. From the infamous shoe crisis to the magic of high fives, they unpack seven laugh-out-loud relatable realities only parents on the sidelines truly understand. Whether you're a veteran coach, a snack mom, or a barefoot-kid defender, this episode is a fun tribute to all the unglamorous—and unforgettable—moments that make up the youth sports experience.
In this powerful episode, Keegan Mueller — a former D1 wrestler, coach, and real estate leader — shares how growing up on the wrestling mat shaped his toughness, grit, and identity. But it wasn’t until a life-threatening fall in front of his son that Keegan learned what real strength and stillness look like.He talks candidly about the culture of performance, how sports can form (or misshape) young men, and what it means to raise kids who are tough, humble, and rooted in faith. From Highland Park wrestling rooms to hospital beds, Keegan’s story is a raw reminder that sometimes God uses unexpected moments to slow us down and remind us who’s really in control.Whether you’re a parent, coach, athlete, or just someone who needs encouragement to find purpose beyond performance, you’ll walk away challenged and inspired.
In this heartfelt and practical episode, Jean and the team explore one of the most important questions facing kids, parents, and coaches in youth sports today: Are we chasing performance or living from purpose? Drawing from a powerful Kobe Bryant quote and personal stories—including one deeply moving tribute to John's late mother—this conversation challenges the cultural obsession with measuring worth through wins, stats, and scores. Instead, listeners are invited to discover the freeing and lasting foundation of purpose: honoring God in all things.You'll hear real-life strategies for how parents and coaches can help kids play with passion without tying their identity to performance. Whether it's a reminder to “give 1,000%” or examples of kids learning to lead through sports, this episode offers a compelling vision for raising confident, purpose-driven young athletes.
The Gearhead Myth

The Gearhead Myth

2025-06-2009:00

Have you ever felt the pressure to buy your kid the best gear for youth sports? In today’s Gearhead episode, we chat about how parents don’t need to stress over purchasing the most expensive equipment for their children. We kick things off with a funny coaching story, followed by a discussion on how flashy, high-priced gear doesn’t guarantee success on the field. From expensive baseball bats to pricey soccer balls, we dive into why your kid’s skills matter more than the gear they use.We explore how many top athletes, like Lionel Messi and Michael Jordan, grew up playing with makeshift equipment, which helped them develop fundamental skills. The message is simple: Save your money, focus on developing your child’s abilities, and skip the pressure to buy the fanciest gear. Whether it’s a secondhand bat or a budget-friendly soccer ball, it’s the effort and fundamentals that make all the difference in the game. Tune in for some practical advice and a refreshing perspective on youth sports.
Have you ever wondered how to help your child become a better teammate? In today’s episode, we dive into the essential character traits that make a great team player, from adaptability to the ability to support struggling teammates. We also explore different teammate personalities you’ll encounter, like the fiery competitor or the quiet leader, and how to navigate those dynamics. Whether your child is the star player or learning their role on the team, we’ll share practical tips on how to foster good teamwork both on and off the field.Through real-life scenarios and proven strategies, we discuss how to encourage your child to embrace their role, support their teammates, and handle challenges with resilience. Plus, we’ll talk about the importance of teaching your child how to be a friend and communicate effectively, skills that will last far beyond the game. Tune in for some helpful advice on how to raise a strong, supportive teammate!
In this episode, Rob Hayes joins us for a conversation that explores the intersection of faith, family, and elite athletics. Rob, a former competitive golfer and father of seven, shares his journey of raising children in a sports-driven world while keeping family values front and center. From navigating the pressures of youth sports to making intentional family memories, Rob offers insight into fostering healthy relationships, prioritizing faith, and helping kids thrive both on and off the field.Rob’s experience in coaching his children through everything from soccer and tennis to golf provides practical wisdom for any parent trying to balance their child's athletic ambitions with a flourishing family life. Whether you’re considering travel teams, managing busy schedules, or wondering how to incorporate faith into sports, this episode offers a refreshing perspective. Rob shares stories of triumphs and challenges that remind us that the most important goal isn’t winning—it’s growing together as a family, with a solid foundation in faith and character.
In this episode of How Can I Help My Child Love God Through Sports, we dive into how we, as dads, can help our kids honor God through their athletic experiences. It's easy to get caught up in the pressure of performance, but we believe there’s so much more to sports than just winning or losing. We share stories and practical tips on how to focus on character-building aspects like love, compassion, hard work, and integrity, all while supporting our kids' spiritual growth.We talk about how sports can be a powerful platform for teaching our kids biblical values like being a good teammate, showing grace under pressure, and staying true to their unique identity. We also reflect on moments when our own kids have been tested in sports and how we’ve used those times to point them back to God. Plus, we discuss how to turn everyday moments—like car rides to practice—into opportunities for spiritual growth.Whether you're coaching or just cheering from the sidelines, we believe that sports can be an amazing tool for teaching our kids how to live out their faith. Tune in to hear how we can make those lessons stick, even when things don’t go as planned.
Want to know what happens when you mix sports, faith, and family?Join us for a fun and candid conversation on the Heaven or Heisman podcast, where we sit down with Pastor Timothy Ateek to dive into the impact of youth sports on our kids, our families, and our values.We tackle tough topics like the pressure to win at all costs, how sports can shape our kids' identities, and the role faith plays in all of it.From dealing with competition to balancing church and game day, we offer some practical advice for parents trying to navigate the fast-paced world of sports while keeping faith and family at the forefront.Plus, we’ll share how to keep your priorities in check and raise kids who understand that winning isn’t everything—faith and character are!It’s a must-listen for anyone juggling sports schedules and family values. Tune in and let's figure out how to do it all, together!
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