Down to Earth Conversations

Staci Mclean comes on the podcast to discuss the way churches engage, or perhaps don't engage, with neurodivergent people and their families. Staci is an author who has written on a number of topics, but her latest book, "A Place where I belong: Neurodiversity and the church" is the subject of this episode. In her book, Staci explores how churches can better embrace neurodivergent people and their families. The goal isn't just to make it so people can attend church, but to create spaces where they can really connect and belong. We talk about Staci's journey into this topic through her own parenting, how she stumbled across the same needs in others, and how she has gone on to help educate and work with churches to better live out their desire to love everyone. Find Staci at stacimclean.co.nz, or find her on Facebook or Instagram. ___Connect with me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠downtoearthconversations.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or at:Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Kathy Baldock is a writer, speaker, and LGBTQ+ advocate. She is a core part of the film 1946: The Mistranslation that Shifted Culture (see episode 106 with the film's director, Sharon "Rocky" Roggio). Kathy had a shift in her life in her fifties, leading to a shift in her faith and found a new vocation over the past twenty years. In this conversation we discuss some of that journey, and then dive into her new book, Forging a Sacred Weapon, which looks at how history conspired to lead to the inclusion of the word homosexual in the Bible for the first time in 1946, and the damage that has happened as a result. Follow Kathy at @kathyvbaldock on Instagram or check out her website canyonwalkerconnections.com___Connect with me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠downtoearthconversations.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or at:Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music by Strahan:Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strahan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/StrahanMusic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/commonerscommunion⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@strahanmusic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@commoners_communion⁠⁠

Andy shares an update on why the pod hasn't kicked off for the year yet, and shares about The Open Table - a new national gathering in June this year in Tamaki Makaurau (Auckland).Check out theopentable.nz for details or to register.

In this final episode of 2025 I share some thoughts on the year from a personal perspective before diving in to a recap of the journey we've been on together this year as a podcast. We've had some really wonderful humans on the pod this year and here are just a few highlights.Check out the links below to connect with this year's guests or keep up with their work.Jaimee Van Gemerden Sign up to Metanoia's emails at ⁠metanoianz.com⁠ Or find them on ⁠Facebook⁠ or ⁠Instagram⁠ Sharon 'Rocky' RogioCheck out the 1946 film - to find out where to view it, head to ⁠⁠1946themovie.com⁠⁠Find more from Rocky and the team on ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠Twitter⁠, or ⁠TikTokCathy and StevenCheck out the Changes Ahead podcast wherever you get your podcasts.Follow them on ⁠Facebook⁠ or ⁠Instagram⁠. Phillipa HuntCheck out Satisfy Food Rescue on their ⁠website⁠, on ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, or ⁠LinkedIn⁠. Kate and AlexCheck out Common Grace Aotearoa at ⁠commongrace.nz⁠ or find them on ⁠Instagram ⁠or ⁠Facebook⁠ Ben CremerCheck out Ben's weekly newsletter, ⁠Into the Gray⁠, and find him on ⁠Facebook⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠Threads⁠, and ⁠BlueSky⁠.Lindy JacombCheck out Olive Leaf Network on their ⁠website⁠, ⁠Facebook⁠ or ⁠Instagram⁠. And check out the Cult Chat podcast wherever you get your podcasts.Petra ZaleskiFind Petra on Instagram at @therevpetrazaleskiJess HallCheck out Jess's art on ⁠InstagramDale CampbellCheck out Dale's article that we discuss on the podcast hereAnd as usual I'd love to hear from you if you have any thoughts or feedback. Connect with me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠downtoearthconversations.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or at:Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Dale Campbell has a diverse background in justice related jobs and has done a lot of good thinking about how not to do more damage while trying to be helpful. He also challenges us in this kōrero to think well about what it actually looks like to love our enemies - how to resist evil while still seeing the humanity of others. A content warning, issues of sexual and physical violence are mentioned in examples given, so be kind to yourself.Here is a link to an article Dale wrote that has illustrations that show some of what we talk about in this conversation, so you may find it helpful to have a glance at that as you listen if you're not driving or whatever, or go and read the article later to embed what Dale is saying more deeply.But for now, prepare to be challenged, encouraged, and emboldened to live a life of love, even in the hardest of spaces. ___Connect with me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠downtoearthconversations.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or at:Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@downtoearth.conversations⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Music by Strahan:Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Strahan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/StrahanMusic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠facebook.com/commonerscommunion⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@strahanmusic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@commoners_communion⁠