Welcome back to The COO Solution Podcast. In this episode, Derek Fredrickson sits down with master coach, speaker, and creator of The Art of Being Unmessable With, Josselyne Herman-Saccio, for a powerful conversation about leadership, burnout, and how to stop running your business from reaction and survival.With over 35 years of experience coaching leaders, entrepreneurs, and change-makers around the world, Josselyne brings a deeply practical framework for staying grounded in vision, even when life and business feel chaotic. This episode is not about hustle, pushing harder, or managing more. It’s about learning to lead from creation rather than crisis.If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed, stuck in firefighting mode, or as if your business has become something you’re managing rather than intentionally creating, this conversation will shift how you think about leadership, vision, and freedom.In This Episode:[02:49] What It Really Means to Be “Unmessable With”Being unmessable isn’t about toughness or emotional shutdown; it's about staying anchored in your vision, no matter what’s happening around you.[05:17] Vision vs. GoalsThe critical distinction most leaders miss and why goals without vision often lead to dissatisfaction and burnout.[06:58] Why Context Shapes EverythingHow the same outcome can feel fulfilling or exhausting depending on the context you’re operating from.[09:36] The Trap of Reaction-Based LeadershipWhy high-performing founders often get stuck in survival mode and how it impacts their nervous system, decision-making, and creativity.[12:30] When Success Becomes a PrisonHow founders unintentionally become the bottleneck in their own businesses.[15:03] Designing a Life Instead of Chasing DreamsWhy most people die with their dreams intact and how to live your vision now, not someday.[20:48] The Real Causes of BurnoutWhy burnout isn’t about workload alone, but about narrative, context, and disconnection from vision.[23:35] Spotting the Red Flags of Reaction ModeHow to recognize when your nervous system has taken over and what to do in the moment.[26:56] Why You Can’t Think Your Way Out of StressThe importance of physical interruption and pre-designed practices.[30:06] Vision as a Daily PracticeHow to create a pre-designed way of returning to vision throughout your day.[33:57] Using Your Calendar as a Leadership ToolWhy your calendar is one of the most powerful places to intentionally design your life and business.Why This Conversation MattersMost founders are incredibly skilled at reacting, solving problems, and pushing through. But reaction-based leadership comes at a cost: burnout, loss of creativity, and businesses that depend entirely on the founder to function.This episode offers a different way. One where leadership comes from clarity, vision, and intentional design, not constant urgency. It’s a reminder that freedom, fulfillment, and sustainable growth are created, not earned through exhaustion.Action Steps for Listeners:Identify where you’re operating from reaction instead of vision.Notice the physical and mental red flags that signal survival mode.Pre-design a vision you can return to during stressful moments.Use your calendar intentionally to support energy, clarity, and leadership.🔗 Resources & Links:Be Unmessable With – Josselyne’s website and free resources: https://beunmessablewith.comFree Quiz – Take the free 25-question quiz to see if your business is ready for the support of a Fractional COO: https://thecoosolution.comPodcast Page – https://thecoosolution.com/podcastSubscribe & Stay ConnectedNew episodes drop soon — subscribe to The COO Solution Podcast so you don’t miss an episode! Let’s connect:➡️ LinkedIn➡️ Instagram➡️ Facebook👉 If this episode resonated, share it with a fellow founder who’s been thinking about writing a book but wants to do it the smart way. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.