The Church Podcast

In this solo mini-episode of The Church Podcast, Christopher Wesley reflects on three powerful questions that every ministry leader should wrestle with at some point in their journey. These aren't just practical or strategy-based—they’re personal, spiritual, and essential for long-term sustainability in ministry. Sharing from his own experience with burnout, transition, and rediscovering identity, Chris invites listeners to pause and consider what really drives their work—and their worth. If you’ve ever felt lost in your role, struggled to hand over leadership, or wondered how to keep growing in your own faith, this episode is for you.

Join me, Christopher Wesley, on The Church Podcast for a profound conversation in Episode 030: Radical Solidarity: Listening, Healing, and Hope with Meghan Fiebelkorn. This episode dives into the crucial topic of supporting survivors of sexual abuse by Catholic leaders. Meghan, from Awake Community, shares her journey from parish ministry to advocating for survivors, emphasizing the importance of radical solidarity and preferential option for the vulnerable. We explore the ongoing issues within the Church, the need for credible witness, and how to be present for those who have been harmed. Listen as we discuss the power of empathy, listening, and standing with the marginalized, offering hope and healing through authentic Gospel living. This is a conversation that challenges us to confront difficult truths while remaining committed to transformation and love.

Episode 029 – Reboot: Combating The Issue Of Staff Turnover In this special Reboot edition, we revisit one of the most relevant and enduring challenges in ministry: staff turnover. Originally recorded as part of The Church Podcast with co-host John Rinaldo, this episode (#115)—first aired at the start of 2020—dives into the systemic and personal reasons why turnover remains one of the most pressing issues in the Church today. Chris and John explore the deeper implications of high turnover rates, especially among younger ministry leaders, and ask tough questions about how parishes and dioceses can better support, invest in, and retain good people. Drawing from years of ministry experience, they break down the key causes of turnover—low pay, burnout, lack of clarity or purpose, toxic team culture, and inadequate leadership support. They also offer tangible, pastoral strategies to combat the cycle of constant transition, such as: Clarifying expectations and vision Promoting a team-based (not siloed) staff culture Prioritizing professional development Modeling sustainable work habits Encouraging ownership of the issue across the entire parish community Whether you're a pastor, diocesan leader, or lay minister, this rebooted episode is a timely and challenging reminder: solving the turnover crisis requires all of us. For more show notes visit us at thechurchpodcast.org

In this engaging and heartfelt episode, Christopher Wesley sits down with longtime Catholic speaker and ministry leader Mike Patin for a conversation that blends wisdom, humor, and real talk about what it means to endure in ministry. From crawfish boils in Louisiana to car rides that double as prayer time, Mike shares how decades in the Church have shaped his approach to leadership, storytelling, and spiritual health. The two explore how to stay grounded in the long haul of ministry, what authentic accountability looks like, and how the shift from "being engaging" to "engaging others" has transformed Mike’s work. Whether you're a new youth minister or a seasoned pastoral leader, this conversation offers a roadmap for spiritual sustainability and community-rooted leadership. For more visit our show notes at thechurchpodcast.org

In this episode, Christopher Wesley sits down with Jason Kidd and Rick Grinstead from Alpha USA for an honest and energizing conversation about what real evangelization looks like today. Drawing on their decades of experience in parish and diocesan ministry, Jason and Rick share how Alpha has transformed their understanding of outreach—not as a program to push, but a culture to cultivate. Together, they unpack how radical (and even “unreasonable”) hospitality can lower barriers to faith, why evangelization starts with listening without judgment, and how creating space for real questions leads to real transformation. They share practical steps parishes can take to begin building a culture that welcomes the unchurched and equips leaders to accompany others. Plus, hear how a tattooed party host became the perfect Alpha emcee—and why you should probably leave the theologians off the mic. If you're a ministry leader wondering how to shift your culture from programmatic to personal, or you’ve ever asked “What’s next after Alpha?”—this conversation is for you.

Join me, Christopher Wesley, on The Church Podcast for Episode 026, where I sit down with Chris Bartlett, president of Ablaze Ministries. In this engaging conversation, we explore the concepts of radical hospitality and shadow optimism within the church. Chris shares his insights on why apathy poses a greater threat to the church than heresy and emphasizes the importance of active evangelization. We discuss how radical hospitality involves creating welcoming spaces, even if it means being uncomfortable, to foster deeper connections and engagement in the liturgy. Whether you're a ministry leader or a faithful listener, this episode offers valuable perspectives on how we can all contribute to a more vibrant church community. Tune in to learn how we can do church better together.

In this episode of The Church Podcast, titled "Your Podcast Episode Title Here," I sit down with my friend Nick Stein, the international director for Bon Secours Young Adults. We dive into his journey with the Sisters of Bon Secours and explore the global impact of Pope Francis's papacy. Nick shares insights from his international experiences, highlighting the diverse ways the church operates around the world. We also reflect on Pope Francis's legacy, particularly the significance of the document Christus Vivit, which emphasizes the importance of young people's voices in the church. Join us as we discuss the challenges and opportunities in youth ministry and how we can continue to build bridges between generations. Don't forget to visit thechurchpodcast.org to catch up on past episodes and share your thoughts.

SUMMARY In this engaging episode, Christopher Wesley sits down with Ray Chang, Executive Director of the TENx10 Initiative, to talk about the future of the Church and the bold goal of reaching 10 million young people over the next 10 years. Ray shares how his global upbringing, ministry background, and work in higher education led him to champion a collaborative movement for youth discipleship. Together, they explore the urgent challenges churches face—burnout, programming fatigue, lack of diversity—and how embracing contextual, relational, and collaborative ministry can reinvigorate the Church. Ray emphasizes that sustainable change requires discernment, shared leadership, and a willingness to reimagine our models without discarding what’s sacred. Listeners will hear reflections on the Future Focus Church framework, ministry “machines,” church hierarchy, spiritual nourishment for Gen Z, and why real transformation happens not through content alone, but through authentic community. Takeaways TENx10 is a collaborative effort to help 10 million young people make faith matter in the next decade. Ray's passion for youth ministry grew out of seeing faith drift in college students and the need to go younger. The Future Focus Church framework focuses on young people, kingdom diversity, and loving our neighbors. Churches often operate like machines, leading to unnecessary burnout and unsustainable programming. Ministry leaders need time and space to reflect and reassess what’s truly essential. Change must be approached slowly, thoughtfully, and in community—especially for new leaders. Hierarchy isn’t inherently bad—it can provide safety, accountability, and theological grounding when done well. Collaboration across differences invites deeper discernment and innovation in ministry. Trends fade. Transformation is relational, contextual, and Spirit-led. Young people long for a Church that is a reliable source of spiritual nourishment in both dry and abundant seasons.

In Episode 023 of The Church Podcast, I sit down with my friend Noah Gilchrist from Damascus Ministries to explore the transformative power of evangelization through personal encounters. Noah shares his compelling journey from a cradle Catholic upbringing to a life-changing retreat experience that ignited his passion for ministry. We dive into the challenges he faced, including the loss of his father, and how these experiences fueled his mission to bring hope and faith to others. Join us as we discuss the culture of bold evangelization at Damascus, where daily encounters with Christ inspire a new generation of missionaries. Don't miss this inspiring conversation that highlights the power of faith in overcoming life's trials.

In Episode 022 of The Church Podcast, I sit down with Laura Roland, a certified Catholic motivation coach, to explore the roots of burnout in ministry and how to reframe our motivations. Laura shares her journey from Catholic educator to motivation strategist, emphasizing the importance of understanding our unique design and calling. We discuss the Motivation Code Assessment, a tool that helps individuals and teams discover what truly drives them, fostering a more fulfilling and peaceful life. Laura explains how living by design means embracing how God has uniquely wired us, leading to greater joy and less burnout. Tune in to learn how to align your work with your personal vocation and live more authentically in your ministry. Don't forget to visit thechurchpodcast.org for more insights and subscribe for future episodes.

In this episode of The Church Podcast, I sit down with Jack and Faustyna Waters to explore the dynamic of navigating marriage and ministry together. As a newly married couple deeply involved with Heart is Nails Ministry, Jack and Faustyna share their inspiring journey from conversion experiences to embracing a life of evangelization. Jack discusses his transformative encounter with faith as a teenager and how it led him to Heart is Nails, where he now serves as the men's community life coordinator. Faustyna shares her path from high school campus ministry to joining Heart is Nails, drawn by its mission to create a world where no one suffers alone. We delve into the challenges and blessings of balancing marital life with their shared passion for ministry, offering insights into living a life of faith and service. Join us for this heartfelt conversation.

In this powerful and heartfelt episode, Marcia Lane-McGee takes us on her journey from a shy young woman to a bold and confident voice in the Catholic Church. She shares her conversion story, the influence of her cultural background on her faith, and what it was like to co-author her first book. Together, we dive into themes of identity, community, and cultural expression in worship—drawing from Marcia’s lived experience as a Black Catholic and her role in youth ministry. She reflects openly on grief and loss, recounting the profound impact of losing both her brother and uncle within a short period, and how her faith was tested and reshaped in the process. We also explore the importance of embracing one’s cultural identity within the Church and the call for greater diversity and acceptance in worship spaces. Marcia speaks candidly about the power of vulnerability, the need for authenticity in ministry, and how bringing your whole self to the table builds deeper, more meaningful community. In the final stretch of our conversation, Marcia shares insights on productivity, mental health, and her favorite media—from lighthearted shows to thought-provoking reads. She offers a challenge for the Church: to lean into discomfort, listen more deeply, and lead with compassion. This episode is a reminder that leadership rooted in authenticity and empathy has the power to transform lives. For more go to https://thechurchpodcast.org

In this engaging conversation, Shannon Wimp Schmidt shares her journey into ministry, the impact of youth ministry, and the importance of cultural expressions within the Catholic faith. They discuss the challenges of writing their book 'Fat Luther, Slim Pickens,' including addressing the legacy of slavery and the need for hope in their narratives. The conversation emphasizes the significance of reclaiming ethnic expressions of faith and the stories of marginalized communities in understanding the broader narrative of the church. In this conversation, Christopher Wesley and Shannon Wimp Schmidt explore the intersections of culture, faith, and youth ministry. They discuss the importance of understanding diverse cultural backgrounds, the need for storytelling in faith practices, and the significance of centering underrepresented voices in ministry. The dialogue emphasizes humility in leadership, the systemic issues within the church, and the personal identities of those in ministry. They conclude with reflections on hope for the church's future and practical advice for new ministers.

Join me in this episode of the Church Podcast as I speak with Cooper Ray, the director of strategic partnerships for Newman Ministry. We discuss the challenges young adults face when transitioning from high school to college, the importance of parental support in maintaining faith, and the mission of Newman Ministry to connect students with Catholic campus communities. Cooper shares insights on best practices for campus ministers, advice for new ministry leaders, and his hopes for the future of the church, emphasizing resilience and the need for a strong faith foundation. For more go to https://thechurchpodcast.org

Join me, Christopher Wesley, on The Church Podcast as I dive into the world of relational ministry with the next generation alongside Deacon Bob Rice. In Episode 017, we explore the importance of building genuine relationships within youth ministry and how it extends beyond traditional youth groups. Deacon Bob Rice, a professor at Franciscan University and a permanent deacon, shares his journey from youth ministry to teaching and his passion for evangelizing young people. We discuss the critical role of empathy in connecting with today's youth and the responsibility of the entire parish in fostering a youth-friendly environment. Discover insights from Bob's new book, Sharing the Gospel with Our Lives, and learn how to inspire and empower your community to engage with the next generation. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that challenges and encourages us to rethink our approach to ministry.

Summary In this conversation, Christopher Wesley sits down with Kristen Fisher, the executive director of Enkindle Catholic, to discuss the evolving landscape of family ministry within the Catholic Church. They explore Kristen's journey into ministry, the importance of family in faith formation, and the challenges faced by parishes in engaging parents and creating meaningful community connections. Kristen shares innovative approaches to family ministry, emphasizing the need for parishes to focus on making disciples rather than merely ensuring compliance. The discussion highlights the vital role of parents as primary catechists and the necessity of fostering genuine encounters with Jesus in the lives of families.

Summary In this episode of the Church Podcast, host Christopher Wesley speaks with Christina Lamas, the Executive Director of the National Federation for Catholic Youth Ministry (NFCYM). They discuss Christina's journey from diocesan ministry to her current role, the vision and initiatives of NFCYM, and the importance of empowering young voices in ministry. The conversation also addresses the challenges faced in youth ministry, the significance of mental health awareness, and the need for self-care among youth workers. Additionally, they explore the role of parents in youth ministry and the importance of engaging them in the faith formation of their children. Christina shares her insights on leadership, the future of the church, and her personal practices for maintaining balance in her life. Takeaways Christina Lamas transitioned to NFCYM after a significant invitation. The importance of stability and community when making career changes. NFCYM has a legacy of over 40 years in Catholic youth ministry. Young people are increasingly stepping up in leadership roles. There is a need for innovation in ministry to meet current challenges. Mental health awareness is crucial in youth ministry. Self-care practices are essential for youth workers to avoid burnout. Engaging parents is vital for the success of youth ministry. Christina emphasizes the importance of dreaming big in ministry. No young person should feel unloved or unnoticed in the church. Sound Bites - "Self-care is top of mind."

Katherine Angulo invites us into her sacred journey, intertwining personal stories with profound insights into the heart of ministry. This episode isn't just a conversation; it's an invitation into the deeper realms of faith and the challenges of dedicating oneself to a spiritual vocation. We begin by exploring the transformative power of personal invitation. It's more than just a gesture; it catalyzes spiritual awakening and deeper faith. She shares how simple acts of reaching out can have monumental impacts on individuals, guiding them toward a more profound connection with their faith. We dive into the realities—divisions within parishes, the weight of multiple assignments, and the quest for unity. Yet, at the heart of her message is a beacon of hope: the indispensable need for rest and the strength found in peer support. It's a reminder that even shepherds need a flock of their own. Katherine addresses the trials church leaders endure. From the necessity of humility to leaning on God's unwavering support, she paints a picture of resilience and dedication. The conversation shifts to the power of community—how creating support networks can serve as a foundation for growth and resilience among church leaders. In an honest reflection, Katherine discusses the importance of setting boundaries and acknowledging self-worth within the ministry. From negotiating fair salaries to standing up for one’s value, she shares her journey towards recognizing her worth, offering a powerful message for new and seasoned ministry leaders alike. Key Takeaways: - The power of personal invitation in deepening faith. - The critical need for rest and community among pastors. - The role of humility and God's support in overcoming leadership challenges. - The importance of self-worth and negotiation for ministry professionals. - The hopeful future of the Church, marked by new ministries and the spiritual growth of its youth. Follow Katherine: Thriving In Ministry with McGrath Institute: https://thrivinginministry.org/grantees/projects/university-of-notre-dame-mcgrath-institute/ Recommended Books: Choosing Forgiveness: Unleash the Power of God's Grace - Father Thomas Berg and Dr. Lock The Heart of a Disciple - Robert McCarty Enhance Your Listening with The Church Podcast + and ++ Subscriptions Dive deeper into your ministry journey with our premium subscriptions. Enjoy episodes your way, with added benefits to enrich your experience. The Church Podcast + | $3/month Ad-free episodes Early access The Church Podcast ++ | $6/month All the benefits of + Producer credits on video episodes 10% off next custom t-shirt order from 4 Marks Printing Subscribe Today Elevate your podcast experience and support our mission to do church better. Visit thechurchpodcast.org and join our community of dedicated listeners. A Little From Our Sponsors SHOP SOCK RELIGIOUS: Evangelize with funny Catholic shirts and epic saint socks that you can buy at sockreligious.com GET CUSTOM GEAR for your next ministry event from our partner 4 Marks Printing. They make ministry and evangelization easier! Visit 4marksprinting.com/churchpod for more.

In this episode, Christopher Wesley and John Rinaldo discuss the reboot of the Church Podcast. They reflect on their previous episodes and their commitment to recording early in the morning. John shares his journey and the shifts he has made in his ministry career. They discuss the importance of growth and networking in ministry and how to foster community engagement. They also explore the role of education in shaping future leaders and how the church can support these efforts. Finally, they talk about the need for professionalism and growth in ministry and answer the final five questions. In this conversation, John Rinaldo shares insights and advice on effective calendar and task management, recommended books, worst ministry or leadership advice, advice for new ecclesial ministers, and hope for the church. Enhance Your Listening with The Church Podcast + Dive deeper into your ministry journey with our premium subscriptions. Enjoy episodes your way, with added benefits to enrich your experience. The Church Podcast + | $6/month Ad-free episodes Early access Producer credits on video episodes 10% off next custom t-shirt order from 4 Marks Printing Subscribe Today Elevate your podcast experience and support our mission to do church better. Visit thechurchpodcast.org and join our community of dedicated listeners. A Little From Our Sponsors SHOP SOCK RELIGIOUS: Evangelize with funny Catholic shirts and epic saint socks that you can buy at sockreligious.com GET CUSTOM GEAR for your next ministry event from our partner 4 Marks Printing. They make ministry and evangelization easier! Visit 4marksprinting.com/churchpod for more.

Summary Charlotte McCorquodale, co-founder of Ministry Training Source, discusses the challenges and joys of pastoral leaders serving young Catholics. She highlights the need for pastors and ministry leaders to be on the same page regarding expectations and measuring success. McCorquodale emphasizes the importance of listening to the community's needs and sharing the stories of young people to inspire and recruit others. She also mentions strategies such as weekly video podcast messages and utilizing technology to engage and impact the community. The conversation explores the importance of building relationships with young people and the shift towards smaller, more intimate youth ministry models. It also highlights the need for support and formation for pastoral ministry leaders. The guest shares her insights on the future direction of youth and young adult ministry, emphasizing the importance of collaboration and sustainable models. The conversation concludes with advice for new ecclesial ministry leaders and a message of hope for the Church. Takeaways Pastoral leaders face challenges in justifying their role and dealing with an expectations gap. Listening to the needs of the community is crucial for effective ministry. Sharing the stories of young people can inspire and recruit others. Strategies such as weekly video podcast messages and utilizing technology can engage and impact the community. Building relationships with young people is crucial in youth ministry There is a shift towards smaller, more intimate youth ministry models Pastoral ministry leaders need support and formation There is hope for the Church through the dedication and love of pastoral leaders Sound Bites: "Pastoral leaders of youth and young adult ministries are a conundrum of joy-filled ministers serving in a bleak post-COVID mission field." "The decline of youth ministry and youth ministry leaders may lead to a decline in ministry leaders in general." "Getting people on the same page about measuring success is critical." Charlotte Recommends: Wired to Series by Britt Andreatta Follow Charlotte: Ministry Training Source Enhance Your Listening with The Church Podcast + Subscription. Dive deeper into your ministry journey with our premium subscriptions. Enjoy episodes your way, with added benefits to enrich your experience. The Church Podcast + | $6/month Ad-free episodes Early access Subscription to M2GO Producer credits on video episodes 10% off next custom t-shirt order from 4 Marks Printing Subscribe Today Elevate your podcast experience and support our mission to do church better. Visit thechurchpodcast.org and join our community of dedicated listeners. A Little From Our Sponsors SHOP SOCK RELIGIOUS: Evangelize with funny Catholic shirts and epic saint socks that you can buy at sockreligious.com. Use CHURCHPOD and get 10% off your purchase. GET CUSTOM GEAR for your next ministry event from our partner 4 Marks Printing. They make ministry and evangelization easier! Visit 4marksprinting.com/churchpod for more. MYM MERCH: Show off some humor and what you do with awesome t-shirts from Marathon Youth Ministry’s Store. Visit HERE to see what we have.