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The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast

Author: Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir

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Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.
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Episode 58 finds Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir digging into Stoic philosophy through the accessible lens of Ryan Holiday, with a practical focus on leadership and daily life. Drawing from Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, James Clear, and others, they explore Holiday’s three core pillars—journaling, reading, and stillness—as tools for self-examination rather than self-expression. Kristen shares how writing helps her slow down thinking, confront reactivity, and gain clarity, while Sylvia connects Stoic practices to small, consistent actions that build well-being over time. Together, they emphasize that leadership growth doesn’t come from grand gestures, but from simple, disciplined habits practiced daily—inviting listeners to pick just one pillar and start.
Bad Ass Dallas Daddy

Bad Ass Dallas Daddy

2025-12-1937:04

In this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Sylvia Moir and Kristen Ziman bring in producer Ted Madden to talk about habits, discipline, and the small actions that shape behavior. Inspired by James Clear’s ideas about systems over goals, the conversation explores how real change comes from consistent choices rather than sudden breakthroughs. They share personal examples — from workout routines to two-minute cold plunges — to show how leaders can build resilience through steady, intentional practice.
Adam Grant Thruple

Adam Grant Thruple

2025-12-0740:33

In this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, former police chiefs Sylvia Moir and Kristen Ziman talk about their experience at the World Business Forum 2025, where speakers left them energized in different ways. Brené Brown’s message about turning values into action anchors the discussion, and they note how Adam Grant’s outlook on growth and curiosity pushed their thinking further. They also describe how Seth Godin’s ideas gave them a fresh angle on leadership. The hosts share personal moments when being open felt risky but necessary, and they explain how honest conversations and value-driven decisions build trust and strengthen teams.
Sweet Home Chicago

Sweet Home Chicago

2025-10-0336:07

In this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir explore the challenges leaders face when social and political controversies land at their doorstep. Using Jimmy Kimmel’s recent cancellation, a Chicago suburb’s flag-lowering dispute, and the famous Tempe “Dump Starbucks” incident, they discuss how leaders decide when to speak up, when to stay silent, and how to engage their teams during polarizing events. Their key message: leaders must give people a voice—without surrendering the responsibility to lead—and communicate their reasoning with courage, transparency, and respect.
In Episode 54, Kristen and Sylvia explore the art of delegation and the pitfalls leaders face when balancing control with trust. They unpack the spectrum between micromanaging and perfectionism, sharing how true leadership comes from empowering others with autonomy and mastery. By entrusting projects and allowing space for growth, leaders not only free themselves to focus on vision but also cultivate the next generation of decision-makers.
In Episode 53 of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, Kristen and Sylvia explore what it means to face the inner battles that hold us back—fear, self-doubt, and imposter syndrome. Through reflection and shared insights, we talk about how courage isn’t something you carry alone; it grows stronger in community. Together, we unpack how bravery, humility, and persistence can help us keep moving toward what’s right, even when it’s hard.
Nobody loves conflict, but it’s part of leadership. In this episode, Kristen and Sylvia dig into the idea of “conflict intelligence” — the ability to understand, navigate, and even use conflict to make teams stronger. They share stories from their own time in leadership, unpack why building trust before conflict matters, and talk about how leaders can regulate their own emotions when the heat is on. You’ll hear how leaning into tension (instead of avoiding it) can turn disagreements into opportunities for growth, connection, and innovation.
Syliva Moir and Kristen Ziman dig into the topic of Joy. When we find it at work, we usually think of it as a fortunate byproduct of loving our job and our co-workers. But our chiefs encourage us to seek it out, to schedule it. Joy is something we should make an effort to find, not wait for it to find us.
In this engaging conversation, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir explore the complexities of leadership transitions, the reasons leaders may overstay their welcome, and the importance of self-reflection and ego management. They discuss the challenges of recognizing when it's time to step down, the impact of identity on leadership roles, and the necessity of preparing successors to ensure organizational growth. The dialogue emphasizes the need for introspection, agency, and the courage to ask difficult questions about one's role and contributions.
 What does shoplifting a face mask, climbing on a school roof, and grounding your own kid have in common? Accountability. In this episode of the Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, we explore how lessons from our childhood mistakes and parenting decisions shape our leadership philosophies today. We’re not talking about punishment — we’re talking about redirection, realignment, and responsibility. Get ready for stories, laughs, and hard truths.
In this episode, Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir tackle the uncomfortable but important question facing leaders: are we making decisions based on what's best for the organization or what's simply easiest for us?Drawing from personal experiences in law enforcement leadership, they explore how "comfortable" choices—those based on familiarity, loyalty, and social proximity—can often undermine growth, diversity of thought, and long-term success. With references to Daniel Kahneman’s concept of “cognitive ease,” the hosts challenge leaders to build teams of truth tellers, embrace discomfort, and consciously evaluate whether their hiring and promotional decisions are rooted in true merit or unconscious bias.
I Forgot to Be Afraid

I Forgot to Be Afraid

2025-05-3032:57

In this episode, Sylvia shares a powerful story about bungee jumping in New Zealand—and how, in the moment afterward, she realized she had forgotten to be afraid. That simple phrase becomes the thread that runs through the entire conversation. Kristen takes it a step further, asking a thoughtful question: Is it really a "fear of failure" - as they saying goes - or a fear of how people will judge us after we fail? This honest and meaningful dialogue explores what it takes to face fear and move forward. We hope you enjoy listening as much as we loved recording it.
Hope > Trust?

Hope > Trust?

2025-05-2026:52

Kristen and Sylvia discuss a counterintuitive study that suggests that employees value Hope over Trust from their employers. What do they make of this, and how many off-ramps do they take to discuss other topics?
Employees aren’t quitting—they’re disengaging. They’re showing up, but they’re not present. It’s called The Great Detachment, and it’s killing productivity, morale, and innovation. In this episode, Sylvia and Kristen break down why employees are checking out, what leaders are getting wrong, and how to fix it. Spoiler: it’s not about perks—it’s about purpose, recognition, and trust. If you want a team that actually cares, you have to earn it. Tune in for real talk, tough truths, and actionable strategies to bring your workforce back to life. The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast—because shiny leadership isn’t enough.
Coconut Milk

Coconut Milk

2025-03-0733:03

Sylvia and Kristen are back with another episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, and this time, they’re tackling one of the biggest leadership pitfalls—thinking you’re being clear when you’re not.It all started with what seemed like a simple request, but quickly turned into confusion and frustration. That moment became the perfect metaphor for leadership: when leaders have a vision but don’t communicate it well, their teams are left guessing.In this episode, Sylvia and Kristen break down why assumptions lead to misalignment, how leaders unknowingly create obstacles for their teams, and what it really takes to turn vision into action.Want to lead with clarity instead of confusion? Tune in to this episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast.
Our episode begins with Sylvia offering meditation advice that Kristen can get behind, and along the way we learn that bison walk into a snowstorm because they instinctively know they'll get through it faster that way. 
42. The Reboot

42. The Reboot

2025-01-1601:03:43

We haven't posted a podcast in a while. Life got in the way, but every obstacle is an opportunity. The result is Episode 42, The Reboot.
Kristen & Sylvia visit with Chris Hsiung, a former police chief and founding board member of "The Curve," a non-profit created with the goal of modernizing police culture from within the profession.
Michael Koonce is the president of H2 Strategics and a pro at helping customers adopt hydrogen as an alternative clean fuel that is profitable and good for the globe. He is known for aiding customers with whole solutions not just a single piece of equipment or delivery. His work ethic, positive attitude, business acumen and holistic approach teaches leaders on various enterprises about becoming indispensable. He is not just a global success, he is a pilot, a chef, and a darn good cribbage player.
Kristen & Sylvia discuss narcissism, how it can benefit leaders (in small doses) and how to handle leaders who have it.
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