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Lauren and Chanler are back with a full celebrity outline and a much needed break from the heavier Epstein deep dives. They talk through the internet’s latest pop culture moments, from Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds’ very public date night to Timothée Chalamet accidentally angering art world. Then they get into the internet’s obsession with Ballerina Farm, Meghan Markle’s latest business pivot, and why certain celebrity narratives just refuse to leave the timeline.Timestamps:(00:10:10) 👩🏼‍❤️‍💋‍👨🏻 Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds PDA — staged kissing photos, the internet’s reaction to the couple, and narcissists in love(00:20:04) 🎬 Timothée Chalamet vs Ballet and Opera — the Variety interview clip, artist identity debates, and why the arts community is not amused(00:28:59) 👶 Ballerina Farm Baby No. 9 — pregnancy reveal, the cinematic protein ad, and the internet’s endless fascination with Hannah Neeleman(00:37:20) 🥛 Raw Milk and Internet Conspiracies — Ballerina Farm backlash, lifestyle discourse, and why the conversation keeps spiraling(00:53:57) 🍯 Meghan Markle’s As Ever Brand — Netflix stepping away, luxury jam prices, and what the future of Meghan’s lifestyle empire might look like(01:02:08) 👑 The Sussex Strategy — Meghan and Harry’s latest moves, royal style tours, and why their public image keeps shiftingAthletic Greens: Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/apologists to get their best offer on your first subscription order.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Revolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartnerMacy’s: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In Part 1 of our Epstein Files deep dive, we unpack the unsettling story of how Jeffrey Epstein rose from a Brooklyn math prodigy to one of the most connected—and controversial—figures in elite circles. We trace the key moments that built his fortune and influence, from Wall Street to his powerful relationships with billionaires like Les Wexner and Leon Black. Along the way, we examine the mysterious circumstances surrounding Ghislaine Maxwell’s entrance into his life and the early warning signs that followed Epstein for decades. Finally, we break down the first major investigation, the shocking sweetheart plea deal that allowed him to avoid serious consequences, and the strange chain of events that ended with his death in federal custody. This episode lays the foundation for the darker details to come in the rest of the series. TIMESTAMPS00:00 🔎 Why We’re Covering the Epstein Files03:40 🧒 Epstein’s Early Life in Brooklyn05:20 🏫 Dalton School & the First Red Flags06:30 💰 Wall Street Break: Bear Stearns09:40 📄 Resume Lies & Early Manipulation11:00 📈 Rise to Wealth and Power15:30 💸 The First Known Financial Scams19:00 👔 Les Wexner and the Billionaire Connection24:40 🏦 Leon Black and Epstein’s Financial Empire26:30 🏝️ Epstein’s Properties and Global Lifestyle27:00 👑 Ghislaine Maxwell’s Background & Father’s Mysterious Death36:00 🤝 Maxwell and Epstein Form Their Partnership39:40 ⚠️ The First Criminal Investigation (Palm Beach)41:30 ⚖️ The Secret Non-Prosecution Agreement44:00 🚔 Epstein’s Shockingly Lenient Jail Sentence46:00 🎥 Hidden Cameras and Alleged Blackmail53:40 ✈️ The 2019 Arrest at Teterboro Airport55:50 🔍 FBI Raids and Evidence Seized01:01:00 🕵️ The Suspicious Breakdown in Jail Safeguards01:02:30 ⚰️ Epstein’s Death and the Questions That Remain01:04:00 🔮 What We’ll Cover in Part 2EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Caraway: Visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/POP and take an additional 10% off your next purchase.HERS: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at https://www.shopify.com/pop Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler kick off with fresh sister banter from snowy New YorkCity. They get into recent RHOBH drama (including Rachel Zoe’s standout moments), surprising cast confessions, and the type of reality TV honesty that hits harder than expected. The girls also answer listener questions on money, dating, and celeb news before teeing up a fan-favorite deep dive on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. for anyone ready to romanticize the 90s all over again.timestamps:(00:00:00) ❄️ Blizzard in New York — storm chaos, DoorDash delusions, and being trapped inside(00:10:00) 🥚 Grocery Store Lies — bougie eggs exposed, food marketing scams, and trust issues(00:16:48) 🍸 RHOBH Hamptons Trip — Kyle Richards, Dorit Kemsley, and why this episode felt vintage(00:20:30) 👠 Rachel Zoe Era — effortless cool, cast chemistry, and why her scenes hit different(00:23:09) 🧘‍♀️ Manifestation Discourse — Amanda’s money mindset, side-eyeing wellness gurus, and Bravo delusion(00:28:20) 💔 Dinner Confessions — Denise Richards and Erika Jayne open up, vulnerability on camera, and hard truths(00:38:14) 🧠 Eric Dane & James Van Der Beek — gone too soon, GoFundMe discourse, and medical reality checks(00:44:27) 💒 Taylor Swift Wedding Theories — aesthetics, vibes, and why expectations are already sky-high(00:47:58) 💳 Money Habits Reset — credit card debt, spending tricks, and small mindset shifts(00:51:56) 💌 CBK & JFK Jr. Deep Dive — why Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. still haunt the culture(01:01:14) 👑 American Royalty — JFK Jr.’s upbringing, public expectations, and living in a permanent spotlight(01:15:40) 🕶️ Carolyn’s Mystique — privacy, fashion mythology, and how her image became the moment(01:21:59) 💼 Meeting the Kennedys — media pressure, Ethel Kennedy’s questions, and the cost of being watched(01:33:44) 🗞️ Engagement Fights — paparazzi culture, narrative-making, and Carolyn vs the Kennedys(01:56:17) 🕊️ The Plane Crash — John’s need to fly, Carolyn’s fear, and a dark nightEarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout.Revolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartnerSKIMS: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/pop #skimspartnerBooking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler debrief the emotional chaos of Valentine’s Day. They react to Ryan Murphy’s Love Story and Taylor Swift’s latest music video. They also unpack the Apple Martin rumor mill, vent about the lack of movement in the Nancy Guthrie case, and the very public CEO cheating scandal.timestamps:(00:01:16) 💘 Valentine’s Day Reality — low-stakes relationship fights, prefix menu hell, and date-night movie choices(00:16:00) 📺 “Love Story” Premiere — first reactions, Carolyn Bessette hairology, JFK Jr., and modern attempts to recreate an era(00:34:40) 🎶 Taylor Swift’s New Video — mixed reactions, obvious references, and when visuals change how a song lands(00:41:59) 🧒 Apple Martin Rumors — viral bullying allegations, nepo baby narratives, and responding to internet lore(00:47:43) 🕵️‍♀️ Nancy Guthrie Update — stalled investigations, public tips, and investigation frustration(00:49:32) 🍼 Rumer Willis’ Single Mom Talk — privilege discourse, burnout, and what “having it all” actually looks like(00:57:46) 🚨 CEO Cheating Scandal Update — viral concert fallout, crisis PR optics, and staged paparazzi moments(01:01:05) ✨ Bronwyn Newport’s New Chapter — moving forward, fresh romance energy, and post-divorce confidence(01:03:11) ✈️ Brooks Nader’s Travel Disaster — food poisoning on a flight, intrusive travel fears, and worst-case scenarios(01:06:55) 🍾 RHOBH Recap — Dorit & Mauricio tension, Hamptons vs. LA energy, and group dynamics shiftingEarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Athletic Greens: Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/apologists to get their best offer on your first subscription order.HERS Weight Loss: Visit https://forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you.Marley Spoon: Head to https://www.MarleySpoon.com/offer/POP for 45% off your first order and free delivery. #marleyspoon #mymarleyspoonQuince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Booking.com: www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler open with peak psychosis-energy banter before diving into a week that somehow manages to be both unserious and extremely heavy. From Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl moment and Kendall Jenner’s courtside energy to a gutting breakup announcement, and the latest on the Epstein files and Prince Andrew, the girls unpack how pop culture, power, and PR spin collide in real time.timestamps:(00:03:10) ✨ NYC Dating Maintenance — spray tans, beauty labor, and what “keeping up” actually looks like(00:11:40) 👑 Meghan Markle Yacht Rumors — House Inhabit claims, old photos resurfacing, and narrative control(00:18:08) ⚖️ Epstein Files Overwhelm — document dumps, psychological whiplash, and why this story hits differently(00:24:30) 🧠 Female Orgasms — Northwestern scientists, different reactions, and hallucinations (00:29:20) 💔 Britani Bateman & Jared Osmond Split — breakup montages, public grief, and moving on in real time(00:35:15) 🏈 Bad Bunny’s Halftime Show — Spanish-language performance, cultural pride, and internet backlash(00:37:59) 🤝 Kendall Jenner & Hailey Bieber Reaction Cam — being the supportive friend in the stands(00:38:54) 💘 Alix Earle & Tom Brady Return — St. Barts rumors, Super Bowl sightings, and why this feels bigger than a fling(00:40:51) 🚨 Savannah Guthrie Family Update — new videos, ransom notes, and the search intensifying(00:59:00) 👑 Charles Kicks Out Andrew — Royal Lodge removal, public pressure, and palace damage control(01:00:03) 🏰 William & Kate Respond — carefully worded statements, victim language, and what’s left unsaid(01:12:19) 📺 RHOBH — Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks revisit old wounds, Alexa’s wedding venue becomes a flashpoint, and loyalty lines get redrawnEarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app!Macy’s: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now!Caraway: Visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/POP and take an additional 10% off your next purchase.Marley Spoon: Head to https://www.MarleySpoon.com/offer/POP for 45% off your first order and free delivery. #marleyspoon #mymarleyspoonRevolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartnerPlease note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week Lauren and Chanler spiral into one of the wildest news cycles of the week. From a chilling breaking-news story involving Savannah Guthrie’s family, to Bella Hadid’s chaotic night out in Texas, Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola Peltz’s full-moon crystal era, and influencer engagement drama that feels ripped from a parody script. The girls unpack grief, fame, money, and the internet’s favorite pastime: making everything messier than it needs to be.timestamps:(00:00:00) 📺 Dying for Sex Obsession — Michelle Williams, Jenny Slate, and why this Hulu show has cracked Chanler open (00:05:35) 🚨 Savannah Guthrie’s Mom — missing-person fears, police updates, and the internet’s darker theories(00:14:41) 🐎 Bella Hadid & Adan Banuelos Chaos — dive-bar dancing, arrest news with mugshot, and viral video “analysis”(00:26:22) 🔮 Brooklyn & Nicola Moon Rituals — crystal ceremonies, luxury ranch stays, and billionaire vibes(00:29:30) 🧿 The Nicola Peltz Problem — wedding fallout, hot sauce offers, crystals for crystals, and family friction(00:34:26) 🎬 JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette Biopic Buzz — trailer reactions, nostalgia bait, and Ryan Murphy expectations(00:37:40) 💑 Timothée Chalamet Asked About Kylie Jenner — marriage questions, PR headlines, and why fans read too much into everything(00:39:38) 🏎️ Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton Rumors — Cotswolds sightings, PR speculation, and elite-circle whispers(00:45:29) 🎉 Taylor Goes Low-Key — after-party energy, fan footage, and strategic absence discourse(00:50:44) 👗 Chappell Roan Grammys Look — sheer gowns, nipple discourse, and shock-value fatigue(00:59:00) 💍 Danielle Bernstein Breakup — influencer engagement collapse, hot mic rumors, and prenup dramaEarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app!Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS HERS Weight Loss: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you.Marley Spoon: Head to MarleySpoon.com/offer/POP for 45% off your first order and free delivery.Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this emergency episode, we dive head-first into newly released discovery that blows the Justin Baldoni vs. Blake Lively saga wide open. We break down Jenny Slate’s deposition (and the actual footage that backs it up), unpack Blake and Ryan’s behind-the-scenes power plays with Hollywood royalty, and read the absolutely unhinged emails sent to Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Plus: Sony executives vent privately about Blake, Ryan Reynolds sends the most try-hard text imaginable to Colleen Hoover, and we revisit the Brooklyn Beckham wedding chaos with fresh context. Buckle up — this one is messy, revealing, and extremely Pop Apologists. ⏱️ Timestamps & Chapters00:00 🎬 Intro & why this is an emergency episode01:00 🧩 Where the Baldoni vs. Lively case stood before the new docs02:00 👀 Quick pop culture detour: Brooklyn Beckham wedding drama update03:00 💃 DJ Fat Tony speaks out — what actually happened at the wedding06:00 😬 Why Nicola Peltz running out crying is the real tell08:00 🧠 What this says about family dynamics & long-standing tension10:00 📂 Back to the main event: Justin Baldoni vs. Blake Lively, Part 911:00 🧾 Jenny Slate deposition — why this changes everything13:00 💬 “Hot” / “Sexy” comments explained (and why they mattered)16:00 🎥 The on-set footage everyone’s been arguing about19:00 😐 Blake’s micro-expression & Baldoni’s reaction21:00 🚩 “Missed the sexual harassment training” — unpacking the fallout23:00 ⚖️ Jenny Slate describes her own uncomfortable experience26:00 😵 First-day power dynamics & why she didn’t speak up28:00 📝 Jenny texts her agent: “Justin and Jamie freak me out”31:00 🧨 “Ted Talk feminist” vs. on-set reality33:00 📉 How the vibe on set deteriorated after pushback35:00 🤝 Blake + Jenny texts during filming — corroboration in real time38:00 🧠 Big take: how both sides can be right (and wrong)41:00 🎭 Sexual harassment vs. creative overreach — drawing the line43:00 📨 Blake & Ryan text Matt and Lucy Damon46:00 🧳 Vacation hijacked for movie notes 😭49:00 🧠 “Politically it’s cleaner if you log into my account”52:00 💀 The dead-father comments & cult accusations55:00 📧 Blake’s email to Ben Affleck (yes, that Ben)58:00 😬 “Don’t hang up” — ex-coded energy1:01:00 🎥 Begging for notes from Hollywood royalty1:04:00 😵 Desperation, delusion, and ego collide1:07:00 🏢 Sony executives’ private messages leak1:09:00 💣 “She did it to herself” — epic-level stupid decisions1:12:00 ❄️ “Bizarrely unhirable” & Eva Mendes-era predictions1:15:00 📱 Ryan Reynolds texts Colleen Hoover1:17:00 🤡 Maximum try-hard energy1:19:00 🧠 Final thoughts: power, ego, and scorched-earth strategyEarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout.Marley Spoon: Head to MarleySpoon.com/Offer/POP for up to 25 FREE meals.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.SKIMS: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/pop #skimspartnerBooking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brooklyn Beckham breaks his silence in a shocking statement accusing David and Victoria Beckham of manipulation, betrayal, and a wedding moment gone horribly wrong. We unpack every claim, the money and power dynamics underneath it all, and what this feud reveals about celebrity family brands. Plus: Ben Affleck politely dismantles a Real Housewives fantasy, and why this week feels like a golden age for gossip historians.01:10 🌴 Chanler’s Guana Island tripBeach glow, anniversaries, and luxury overload.12:45 ✈️ Customs chaosA shocking airport mistake.Brooklyn Beckham Feud14:35 💥 Brooklyn breaks his silenceWhy this statement changes everything.16:45 🧠 Celebrity narratives vs. truthWhat we think we know — and don’t.18:30 📜 Reading the statementSetting the stakes.20:45 👗 Wedding dress dramaVictoria Beckham vs. Valentino.24:45 💰 The Beckham name & moneyControl, contracts, resentment.29:30 🛟 Brooklyn’s safety netMarriage, wealth, and leverage.33:00 🩸 “Not blood, not family”The night-before-the-wedding fight.36:45 🕺 The mother–son danceThe most disturbing allegation.40:00 👀 Witnesses & deleted commentsQuiet confirmations.44:00 🎥 Netflix red carpet tensionCold shoulders and body language.47:30 👑 Victoria Beckham & controlPower shifts inside the family.50:00 🐕 LA fires & the dog rescueBrand over empathy.52:30 🤔 Trauma or entitlement?Where sympathy fractures.55:30 🧩 Final Beckham analysisWhat feels real — and what’s next.Pop Culture Roundup57:04 🎬 Ben Affleck & Lisa BarlowA Housewife claim meets reality.59:00 😶 “I don’t know her” energyBen’s polite takedown.01:01:30 📱 Lisa doubles downWhy this is elite Housewives behavior.01:04:00 🏁 Closing thoughtsWhy none of this is over.EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Caraway: If you visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/POP you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase.Quince: Go to http://www.Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

timestamps:(00:00:00) 🎄 Charleston Christmas Card Scandal — a viral family card, a lawyer husband, and a six-year marriage detonated in public(00:09:45) 💉 Kendall Jenner vs. Reality — “no plastic surgery,” Accutane nose theories, and why the internet isn’t buying it(00:22:19) 🏈 Sydney Sweeney & Scooter Braun — “disrespectful” athlete DMs, female independence, and relationship red flags(00:26:34) 🧾 Brooklyn Beckham Cuts Off His Parents — David & Victoria’s legal notice, Instagram blocks, and family warfare by lawyer(00:36:00) 🏆 Golden Globes Chaos — Nikki Glaser’s monologue, Leonardo DiCaprio jokes, and thirsting over Michael B. Jordan thirst(00:45:15) 💋 Kylie Jenner & Timothée Chalamet — body language, lip-reading culture, and why everyone can’t stop watching them(00:50:28) 🍸 RHOBH: Sutton vs. Jennifer Tilly — sobriety, sensitivity, and a friendship that goes sideways fast(00:55:32) 🧥 Kyle Richards & Dorit Kemsley — PK drama, loyalty lines, and what “neutral” really means(01:00:05) 👠 Rachel Zoe Enters the Chat — unexpected warmth, fashion without the cruelty, and why she’s winning them over(01:02:46) 💎 The Amanda Problem — crystal flexing, “I belong in any room,” money talk, and a new housewife archetypeEarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Athletic Greens: Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/apologists to get their best offer on your first subscription order.Dime Beauty: Head to DimeBeauty.com and get 20% off your first order with code PODCAST20.HERS Hair: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

timestamps(00:00:00–00:06:00) 👗 “Tits out” & Family optics — the Nader sisters, dressing sexy around your parents, and inherited modesty culture(00:06:01–00:12:30) ✈️ Lxury travel truths — honeymoon hotel comparisons, Cancún bookings, and when the dream experience almost collapses(00:12:31–00:19:45) 🎬 Hugh Jackman, Sutton Foster & Kate Hudson — work-husband rumors, jealousy optics, and calling the paparazzi on yourself(00:19:46–00:29:15) 🧡 Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner — award-speech soft launches, “partner” discourse, and why Kylie is actually out of his league(00:29:16–00:35:55) 🕵️ Club Chalamet obsession — fandom gone feral, parasocial ownership, and what happens when a stan gets too close(00:35:56–00:40:50) 🧾 Carole Radziwill & Ghislaine Maxwell — the framed photo mystery, social-circle denial, and what “not knowing” really means(00:40:51–00:41:55) 💎 Dorit & PK fallout — the Birkin comment, public bitterness, and why exes with rude comment are the real red flag(00:41:56–00:46:15) 🚨 Denise Richards & Aaron Phypers — GoFundMe drama, eviction headlines, custody leverage, and emotional manipulation(00:46:16–00:56:00) 🎤 Eras Tour: Marjorie — family legacy, backstage illness, Andrea Swift lore, and a jaw-dropping ring story(00:56:01–01:05:30) 💫 Gracie Abrams vs. Sabrina Carpenter — fangirl energy, reverence for Taylor Swift, and who understood the assignment(01:05:31–end) ❤️ the final show — Travis Kelce’s letter, “love of my life” timing, burnout, and what it means to finally be readyHero Bread: Go to https://www.hero.co and use code POP at checkout.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.SKIMS: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/pop #skimspartnerBetter Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

As we close out 2025 and head straight into divorce season, Lauren & Chanler are joined by their favorite recurring guest — their dad, a longtime divorce attorney — for one of your most-requested annual episodes.From Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce’s hypothetical prenup to Golden Bachelor drama, Real Housewives breakups, and messy celebrity divorces, Dad breaks down what actually matters legally (and what’s pure Hollywood fiction).Plus, we answer listener questions on:Prenups vs. no prenupsWhat really happens after 10 years of marriageSubstance abuse, gambling, and domestic violence in divorceWhy mediation without a lawyer can go very wrongRed flags to watch for when dating divorceesIt’s informative, unfiltered, funny, and slightly unhinged — exactly how we like to ring in the New Year. 🥂⚖️⏱️ Timestamps00:00 — Welcome to divorce season 🎄➡️💔01:45 — Introducing Dad (and why listeners love him) 👨‍⚖️❤️04:00 — Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce: billionaire prenups explained 💍💰08:30 — Do you really need a prenup? 🤔📜12:45 — When prenups backfire emotionally 😬15:10 — The 10-year marriage rule (myth vs reality) 🔟⚖️18:40 — Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban’s sobriety clause 🧾🚫🍷22:15 — Golden Bachelor divorce + protecting kids’ inheritances 👴💍27:00 — Kyle Richards & Mauricio: separation dates explained 🏠📅31:30 — Vocational evaluations & “fake unemployment” 💼📉34:45 — Divorcing someone with a drinking problem 🍺🚫39:10 — Dating before divorce: does the court care? 💔➡️❤️41:45 — Trusts, inheritances & when kids get paid 💼👨‍👩‍👧44:30 — Higher-earning wives & alimony fears 💸⚖️47:20 — Red flags when dating divorced men 🚩👀49:40 — Secret gambling & breach of marital trust 🎰🚫52:30 — Why mediation without a lawyer is dangerous ⚠️📄55:10 — Emotional abuse vs physical abuse in divorce 🧠⚖️57:00 — Final advice, family love & New Year send-off 🥂❤️Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 at checkout for 20% off your order.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Functional Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health.Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now!HERS Hair: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you.Drip Drop: Go to dripdrop.com and use promo code POP for 20% off.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Merry Christmas, Global Elites 🎄 We’re bringing back one of the most unhinged, accidentally iconic episodes in Pop Apologists history. Originally recorded two years ago, Olive Oil & Blood is a time capsule of early-era Lauren and Chanler.First released January 5, 2022.timestamps:(00:00:00) ☕ Caffeine & the Will to Live — post-holiday dread, coffee as medicine, and existential morning spirals(00:05:05) 🍪 Failed Business Fantasies — fresh homemade cookies, startup delusion, and entrepreneurial reality checks(00:10:20) 🧳 Family Visit Trauma — parents in nyc, outdoor dining chaos, and first impressions with ben(00:18:55) 🚕 Mom on the Streets — flirting, micro-aggressions, and being unjaded in new york(00:23:10) 🤠 Yellowstone Discourse — cowboy fantasies vs. reality, cringe dialogue, and farmer-core exposure therapy(00:29:20) 📸 Celebrity Body Politics — david foster, katharine mcphee, and why the caption was the real problem(00:37:45) 💍 Men Behaving Badly — steve lodge, bravo engagements, and patriarchy fatigue(00:39:45) 🧠 Sunday Scaries — millennial work dread, weekend anxiety, and emotional preparation rituals(00:43:50) 🍳 Domestic Reset — cooking resolutions, grocery ambition, and false confidence(00:46:35) 🫒 Olive Oil & Blood — the grocery bag breaks, the fall, the injuries, and instant regret(00:53:00) ❤️ Acts of Service — why the chaos was (almost) worth it and a rare tender momentSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

(00:08:30) — The End of an Era docuseries drops(00:12:24) — The Southport attack segment: Taylor struggles to speak, prepares to meet victim’s families, and absorbs unimaginable grief.(00:18 :00) — Inside the Eras Tour bonus checks: nearly $200M distributed, dancers’ lives changed, and industry norms shattered.(00:21:00) — Dancing is hard: Taylor learning choreography by lyrics, rehearsing with Florence, and spotlight-sharing done right.(00:24:38) — Travis Kelce check-in: the post-London call, Vienna anxiety, and quiet relationship intimacy on display.(00:28:40) — Night time routine: after-concert-ritual, avoiding drug addiction, and crazy sleep schedule.(00:35:00) — Andrea Swift moments: emotional containment, post-tragedy comfort, and the ultimate emotional backbone.(00:36:00) — Surprise guests and backstage vibes: Ed Sheeran appearances and deeply questionable green-room furniture.(00:39:00) — RHOBH whiplash: Kyle & Mauricio’s separation, sad flirting, and sterile bachelor-pad décor.(00:49:48) — Amanda enters RHOBH: Money Queen branding, manifestation courses, and immediate group tension.(00:57:4 0) — Megan King custody update: CPS involvement, medication issues, and a genuinely dark Bravo headline.(01:00:45) — Bronwyn & Todd: open-marriage confusion, emotional whiplash, and new beginnings for BronwynClean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 at checkout for 20% off your order.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Cozy Earth Direct: Head to https://www.cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off!Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Britani Bateman joins Pop Apologists for a raw, funny, and emotional deep dive into fame, family estrangement, Mormon roots, and her headline-making relationship with Jared. She opens up about rebuilding her bond with daughter Olivia, navigating public criticism, and the reality of dating on reality TV. Britani also breaks down the now-infamous plane incident in chilling detail, including firsthand reactions from flight attendants and passengers. After the interview, Lauren and Chanler unpack Bethenny Frankel’s controversial Architectural Digest feature and viral clapback. The episode wraps with major celebrity updates including Alix Earle, Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau, and Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner.01:00 — Britani Bateman Joins ❄️02:30 — Fame & Fan Reactions 📸04:00 — Mormon Movies & Acting Roots 🎬05:30 — Vulnerability & Online Criticism 💬07:00 — Daughter Olivia & Estrangement 👩‍👧09:30 — Divorce, Remarriage & Faith ⛪️11:00 — The Jared Relationship Update 💔➡️❤️13:30 — Breakups, Apologies & Healing 🛠️15:30 — Jared’s Reputation with the Cast 👀17:00 — Donny Osmond & Mormon Celebs 🎤20:00 — Singing, Flirting & Viral Chaos 🎶💄25:00 — The Plane Incident Begins ✈️🔥29:00 — Crying, PTSD & Seatmate Witness 👨‍✈️33:00 — Meredith’s Story & Viewer Reactions 🎭35:00 — Why SLC Is Peak Bravo 🏔️🍿37:00 — Mormon 3.0 & Returning to Church 🔄38:30 — Where to Find Britani Online 📱🔥 After Show Pop Culture Rundown40:00 — Bethenny’s AD Home Reveal 🏡43:00 — Neutral Decor vs Airbnb Chic 🛋️46:00 — Chevron Wallpaper & Cabana Room 🌊49:30 — Bethenny Clapback & Real Estate Flex 💰53:30 — Market Timing vs Design Talent 📊55:00 — Alix Earle & Braxton Breakup 💔57:30 — Fame, Youth & Dating Pressure 🌟59:00 — Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau Go Public 💕01:01:30 — PDA, Politics & Side-Eye 👀01:03:30 — Timothée & Kylie Red Carpet 🧡01:06:30 — Club Chalamet & Fan Culture 🕵️‍♀️01:09:00 — Parasocial Obsession Talk 🧠01:12:00 — Celebrity Stalking Line Debate 🚨01:14:30 — Pronunciation Fails & Callouts 🗣️01:17:30 — Fact-Checking the Podcast ✅❓01:20:30 — Taylor Swift Domain Confession 🌐01:23:30 — Pop Culture Burnout Chat 🫠01:26:30 — Social Media Spiral 📲01:29:00 — Reality TV as Escapism 📺01:31:30 — Final Hot Takes 🔥01:35:00 — Listener Feedback 💌01:38:00 — Wrap-Up & Sign-Off 🎤✨Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 at checkout for 20% off your order.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off.Athletic Greens: Head to https://drinkag1.com/APOLOGISTS to get the welcome kit, a Morning Person hat, a bottle of Vitamin D3+K2, a AG1 Flavor Sampler and you’ll get to try their new sleep supplement AGZ for free.DripDrop: Go to https://dripdrop.com/ and use promo code POP for 20% off your first order.Functional Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Wayfair: https://www.Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home.Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

01:00 — Why Millennials Are Obsessed with Lily Again 🌸🎧Context-setting for her career resurgence and West End Girl.02:00 — Lily’s Turbulent Upbringing 🏚️➡️🎬Council housing, financial struggle, divorced parents, and early industry proximity.04:00 — Nepo Baby? Well-Connected? Both? 🤷‍♀️✨Exploring Lily’s privilege vs. hardship.01:01:00 — The Cheating Revelations + Owning Her Story 💔📖Lily explains why she disclosed everything in her memoir ("I'm sleeping with prostitutes…").01:02:00 — The Sobriety Era: Parenting, Presence & Stability 🌱👩‍👧Her reflections on missing the highs but finally feeling grounded.01:03:00 — Lily + David Harbour: Raya Match to Marriage ❤️🔥Their connection, his quotes about her presence and vibrancy.01:08:00 — The Open Marriage Era & Internet Reactions 👀💬You revisit your past TikTok takes + new empathy after learning her story.01:09:00 — Critics Weigh In: The Guardian & Rolling Stone 🌟🎵Five-star reviews and why West End Girl hits emotionally + musically.01:10:00 — Favorite Tracks & Lyrical Moments 🎶✨“Dallas Major” stuck in your heads, the dignity lyric from “Let You Win.”01:11:00 — Final Thoughts + Swiftie Detour (Because of Course) 🫶🐍All roads lead back to Taylor; closing the deep dive.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren interviews Melissa Coleman (“Mrs. Derm”), a no-BS skincare voice married to renowned dermatologist Dr. Patrick Coleman. Mrs. Derm reveals her minimalist routine, Retin-A secrets, melasma fix, why EU sunscreens leave the U.S. in the dust, and her unfiltered takes on plastic surgery and celebrity facelifts.00:00 — Why Skincare Feels So Confusing: Setting the Record Straight 🎙️A warm intro + what this episode will actually teach you (and why it matters).00:14 — The Real AM Routine: What You Should Use (and What You Should Ditch) 🧴Simple, effective steps for every skin type — no 12-step nonsense, no marketing fluff.00:26 — Fine Lines, “Smoker Lines,” and the Truth About Genetics vs. Habit 😮‍💨Who gets them, why they happen, and what can actually reduce them.00:28 — Can You Start Retin-A Later in Life and Still See Results? 🚭✨Melissa’s own late-start Retin-A story — proof it’s never too late.00:29 — What Retin-A Really Does: Texture, Pores, Pigment & Tightness 🧪A science-backed breakdown of what improves, what doesn’t, and how long it takes.01:14:00 — The Ageless Woman Story: What Monthly Peels Can Achieve 😳✨A real example of jaw-dropping skin transformation — and what was behind it.01:15:00 — Peels vs. Lasers: When Each One Works Best 🔥A roadmap for choosing the right treatment for clarity, texture, or anti-aging.01:36:00 — LED Masks: What NASA Actually Studied vs. What Instagram Sells You 🚫💡Cutting through the hype: when (and if) LED truly does anything.01:41:00 — Exosomes: The $3k Treatment People Regret Most 💸The split-face experiment that exposed whether they actually work.02:13:00 — Celebrity Facelift Discourse: Emily Blunt & the Internet’s Double Standard 💬🔥Why women get dragged online for procedures — and Melissa’s viral take.02:14:00 — Why Many Women Keep Their Cosmetic Surgery Private 👀A candid look at judgment, safety, and privacy in the beauty world.02:28:00 — The “Mask Slipping” Aging Theory: A Simple Way to Understand Facial Aging 🎭A visual analogy that explains what’s falling, shifting, and why treatments work.02:29:00 — Final Advice: What to Focus on at Any Age 👋✨Her practical, no-BS roadmap for skincare, treatments, and aging gracefully.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

(00:00:00) — Airline rage: JetBlue snacks, Delta trauma, and Biscoff as a war crime.(00:03:30) — Zach Bryan’s sobriety post + Brianna Chickenfry déjà vu.(00:11:05) — Queen Camilla’s “weight loss” gaffe + hypnotist diets of the British elite.(00:17:10) — Meghan Markle’s Harper’s Bazaar profile: duchess announcements & jam philosophy.(00:26:40) — The NYT surrogacy scandal: forged signatures, Zoom fraud, and 15 children.(00:37:12) — Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Jessi, Jordan’s TikTok blackmail, and a chaotic marriage.(00:41:55) — Meghan King loses custody: the strange CPS timeline.(00:44:16) — Bill Belichick at 24-year-old girlfriend’s adult cheer nationals + Jordon Hudson’s glam.(00:47:33) — RHOSLC: Todd & Bronwyn’s surreal open-marriage convo.(00:53:40) — Britani vs. Jared: creek fights, wedge heels, and fifth-grade flirting.(00:56:00) — Lisa & John Barlow: marriage unraveling on camera.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

(00:00:00) – Layla Joins the Show: Season 3 reactions, Jessie confrontation setup, and Marciano bombshell fallout.(00:05:12) – The Kiss, the Cialis & the Lie Detector: Jessie’s texts, Jordan overhearing everything, and why Marciano’s Botox face wasn’t giving anything away.(00:10:24) – Demi vs. The Villa Timeline: The accusations, the confusion, the face-times, and why the girls felt emotionally manipulated.(00:15:36) – Is There a Layla & Demi Friendship Left?: Layla breaks down boundaries, cordial coexistence, and the moment she stopped believing Demi’s version.(00:26:00) – Whitney and Layla on Dancing With the Stars: How Whitney’s season arc shifted, why she ran to St. George, and where friendships stand now.(00:31:12) – Filming Logistics & The Reality of MomTok Fame: Five-day shooting weeks, who films the most, why kids stay off camera, and protecting boundaries.(00:36:24) – The Mormon Community, Image Management & Garments Era: Initial backlash, cultural shifts, and how converting helped Layla during a dark chapter.(00:41:36) – Hair Journeys, Identity & Reclaiming Self-Image: Layla’s switch to a new hairstylist, the emotional weight of fitting in, and the sweetest glow-up.(00:46:48) – Sex, Orgasm Taboo & Mormon Girlhood: Vibrators, sexual shame, becoming orgasmic, and the DMs that poured in after Layla opened up.(00:52:00) – Taylor, Dakota & the Endless Loop: Did Dakota hook up with a “friend”? Did he hook up with Leanne? (No.) Their impossible chemistry examined.(00:56:12) – Post-Interview Chat: Lauren and Chanler grace us with their presence and chat about the weekly topics.(01:10:50) – BravoCon Energy & The Return of Flipping Out: Jeff Lewis is coming back, Chandler battles loyalty to Heather McDonald, and the girls debate the greatest shows on Bravo.(01:14:50) – Wendy Williams: Conservatorship, Not Dementia: The reveal that Wendy doesn’t have dementia, $200k Uber Eats bill, and how banks flag erratic spending.(01:20:00) – The Tina Brown Era Returns: Why Tina is core to Pop Apologists history, her NYT interview, and why they’re obsessed.(01:26:00) – Queen Elizabeth Shielding Prince Andrew: How the late Queen’s loyalty shielded Andrew, creating an environment where he stayed safely tucked behind palace walls even as pressure mounted.Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com (http://cleansimpleeats.com/) and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com (http://earlybirdcbd.com/) and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off.Cozy Earth Direct: Head to https://www.cozyearth.com (http://cozyearth.com/) and use our code POP for 40% off!Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com (https://www.progressive.com/) to see if you could save on car insurance.Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST (http://quince.com/APOLOGIST) for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app!Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com (https://www.macys.com/) or in stores now!Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off your next gift at https://www.uncommongoods.com/podcast/pop!Wayfair: https://www.Wayfair.com (https://www.wayfair.com/) Wayfair. Every style. Every home.Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler are back, and the delusion is in-season. From Golden Bachelor heartbreak to Kardashian conspiracies, the girls spiral through the week’s most unserious chaos — with morally corrupt pranks, PR flops, and billionaire birthday parties galore.Lauren kicks things off with a sick-in-the-head deep dive into Gerry Turner’s memoir (yes, the Golden Bachelor himself) and her impassioned “Justice for Theresa” movement. The sisters unpack Lauren’s morally bankrupt auntie era and Pookie & Jett’s Hermès-themed first birthday party for Paloma. Lastly, the sisters break down Kris Jenner’s 70th bash — complete with appearances from Jeff Bezos, Meghan Markle, and Kim K’s TikTok vlog.They also dive into the All’s Fair premiere, Kim’s alleged bar exam failure, Shay Mitchell’s controversial kids’ skincare line, and a Taylor Swift wedding theory that might just send the internet into cardiac arrest.(00:00:00) — Tuesday confessionals, NYC weather updates, and prepping for the Layla interview.(00:03:42) — Lauren’s Golden Bachelor memoir deep dive + the “Smoothies for Theresa” merch moment.(00:09:15) — The $20 prank that turned Lauren into a morally bankrupt auntie.(00:14:50) — Pookie & Jett’s Hermès birthday: the influencer-industrial complex strikes again.(00:22:11) — Kris Jenner’s 70th birthday: Jeff Bezos hosting, Harry & Meghan’s attendance, and Kim K’s party vlog.(00:27:39) — Meghan Markle pregnancy rumor + Kim’s post-party photo dump drama.(00:33:08) — Kim fails the bar exam: ChatGPT-coded announcement + “future lawyer” jokes gone wrong.(00:40:25) — All’s Fair review: Kim’s camp masterpiece + the unrealistic “ass-out” suit.(00:52:19) — Shay Mitchell’s kids’ skincare line and the unhinged influencer logic behind it.(00:59:34) — Taylor Swift’s rumored bridesmaids list + wedding speculation spirals.Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off.Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app!Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now!Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off your next gift at https://www.uncommongoods.com/podcast/pop!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren’s back from a 24-hour flu, a hangover, and a full-blown moving meltdown — and somehow lived to tell the tale. Meanwhile, Chanler holds down the fort (and books an exclusive with their celebrity sister, Courtney Grow). Before Chan interviews Courtney, the girls dive in to a couple of headlining stories. From Hugh Jackman’s ex plotting a bombshell tell-all, to David Harbour’s cringe Esquire interview, to Prince Andrew finally being stripped of his titles — the girls cover every messy man making headlines this week.They also get into Meghan Markle’s latest Page Six rumor, the Vanderpump Rules reboot that nobody asked for, and the rise and fall of The Row’s “cool girl” mystique — before Courtney joins for a deep dive on Botox, luxury retail horror stories, and why she’s done being treated like gum on someone’s shoe.(00:00:00) — Lauren’s weekend from hell: hungover move, the flu, and Kagen’s “water safety training.”(00:08:27) — Deborra-Lee Furness’ revenge memoir: Hugh Jackman fallout + “shop that tell-all, baby.”(00:11:44) — David Harbour’s Esquire interview, Lily Allen’s comeback, and the “artist excuse” for adultery.(00:15:33) — Millie Bobby Brown’s harassment claim against David Harbour + Netflix’s silence.(00:34:57) — Prince Andrew stripped of royal titles: why the palace only acts when it’s self-preservation.(00:40:10) — Vanderpump Rules reboot: why lightning never strikes twice.(00:46:19) — Courtney Grow joins: Botox, Sculptra, and exosome intel.(00:54:00) — The Row drama: influencer backlash, jelly shoe horror stories, and sample-sale delusion.(01:08:00) — Luxury retail icks: “oh honey, we don’t messenger to Brooklyn.”(01:10:00) — Marriage after four kids: sex, exhaustion, and staying connected.FTC:Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order.EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off.Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app!Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Nature’s Sunshine: 20% off your first order plus free shipping. Go to http://naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout.Quince: Go to http://Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now!Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.