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Day 13 of the Kouri Richins trial brought a major turning point: after a morning of tense legal arguments, cross-examination of lead detective Jeff O’Driscoll, and a failed defense motion to dismiss the case, both sides rested — and the defense did so without calling a single witness. In this episode, we break down the final day of testimony, including the fight over the so-called suspicious GIFs, the defense’s attempt to introduce evidence suggesting Eric once asked for fentanyl, and the prosecution’s effort to reinforce the strength of its investigation. We also unpack what O’Driscoll admitted investigators still don’t know — including exactly how, when, or in what dose Eric ingested fentanyl — and why the missing hydrocodone bottle remains such a frustrating loose end. But the biggest shock came at the end: after weeks of hinting at alternate explanations, experts, and unanswered questions, Kouri’s defense rested without presenting any evidence at all. Now, with no defense witnesses and no testimony from Kouri herself, the case heads straight into closing arguments. Sponsors: First Day Life Inc.: Our listeners get up to 57% Off AND a Free Gift with code hidden at ⁠https://FirstDay.com ⁠ Jones Road Beauty: Use code HIDDEN at ⁠https://jonesroadbeauty.com⁠ to get a Free Shimmer Face Oil with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day 12 of the Kouri Richins trial brought major moments in court as lead investigator Jeff O’Driscoll finally took the stand, Carmen Lauber returned for more questioning, and prosecutors introduced some of the case’s most talked-about evidence yet. In today’s recap, we break down the ongoing battle over Carmen’s jailhouse interviews, the defense’s attempt to challenge her credibility, and why that cross may not have landed as hard as expected. Then the focus shifts to Detective O’Driscoll, who walked jurors through how the homicide investigation developed after he took over the case. We also get into the children’s grief book Kouri promoted after Eric’s death, the evidence suggesting it may have been ghostwritten, and the shocking revelation that investigators say Kouri’s own mother sent a copy to police. Prosecutors also introduced text messages about the book, Kouri’s marketing plans, and her goal to sell 100,000 copies. And that’s not all. Jurors also heard about discrepancies in phone records, how investigators zeroed in on Carmen Lauber, what was found during the search of her home, and the jailhouse interviews that prosecutors say helped build their case. Then came one of the day’s biggest moments: the recorded jail calls between Kouri and her family, followed by the infamous “Walk the Dog” letter read aloud in court. We also break down the handwritten notes, timelines, texts, and journal entries shown to jurors — including Kouri’s written account of the night Eric died. This episode covers: • Carmen Lauber’s return to the stand • Detective Jeff O’Driscoll’s testimony • Kouri’s grief book and ghostwriter evidence • The anonymous package sent to police • Jailhouse interview clips played for jurors • Recorded calls with Kouri’s mom and brother • The “Walk the Dog” letter • Cross-examination highlights and what the defense is pushing back on As always, we’ll separate what happened in court from what stood out most — and talk through what may matter most as the state nears the end of its case. Sponsors: First Day Life Inc.: Our listeners get up to 57% Off AND a Free Gift with code hidden at https://FirstDay.com Jones Road Beauty: Use code HIDDEN at https://jonesroadbeauty.com to get a Free Shimmer Face Oil with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty Mint Mobile: Shop Mint Mobile plans at https://mintmobile.com/HIDDEN —new customers get 3 months of 5GB for $45 upfront ($15/mo); taxes and fees extra, see https://mintmobile.com for details. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Day 10 of the Kouri Richins trial brought emotional testimony, forensic analysis, and a few moments of real courtroom tension. Eric Richins’ longtime friend and business partner Cody Wright took the stand, describing Eric as a hardworking father, loyal friend, and successful businessman while also facing tough questions from the defense about finances, hunting violations, and past drug rumors. Jurors then heard from a forensic document examiner who testified that a key signature attributed to Eric “probably” was not written by him and appeared to be a simulated forgery. Later, the court played the 911 call from the night Eric died, raising new questions about the timeline and response. The jury also heard from lead investigator Jamie Woody, who revealed that Eric’s sister told police that Eric had previously warned Kouri might kill him, a statement that shaped the early direction of the investigation. Finally, veteran private investigator Todd Gabler detailed the independent investigation that ultimately flagged Kouri’s hundreds of contacts with alleged drug dealer Carmen Lauber. From forgery allegations to the chilling 911 call and a heated cross-examination, Day 10 added several new layers to the state’s case. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. John has been busy keeping up with everything happening in the Kouri Richins trial, and he is finally ready to weigh in! From the bodycam, to the texts, to the recorded calls- what does it all say about Kouri Richins? About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, we break down the powerful and heartbreaking new statements from Russell and Eve Franke, the two youngest survivors of the Franke family abuse case, as they speak directly to lawmakers about the Utah bill they believe could have saved them. We revisit the rise and fall of the 8 Passengers family, the disturbing influence of Jodi Hildebrandt, and the horrifying abuse that was happening behind closed doors long before Russell made his desperate escape on August 30, 2023. But this story is no longer just about what happened — it’s about what failed. Eve reveals that police and child welfare workers were at the door for months but legally couldn’t get inside, and both children are now pleading for passage of the Gavin Peterson Bill, a measure meant to close the gap that can leave abused children trapped with no way out. Their words are raw, direct, and devastating — and they force all of us to confront a painful question: why are children still being asked to save themselves? About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

** This episode was recorded live. It contains lots of profanity repeated from court evidence, and heard in audio played by the court. Day 9 of the Kouri Richins trial delivered some of the most dramatic moments yet. For the first time, jurors heard recorded phone calls made by Kouri herself — conversations captured while she was in custody where prosecutors say her own words may reveal key contradictions. The jury also heard testimony from a coworker and close friend who claimed Kouri once said it might be easier if Eric were dead, a statement the defense fiercely challenged with prior interview recordings. Meanwhile, several of Kouri’s longtime friends — her so-called “ride-or-dies” from junior high — took the stand, offering a deeply personal look at Kouri’s life, marriage, and behavior after Eric’s death. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

*This episode was originally recorded live. Day 8 of the Kouri Richins trial delivered the moment everyone knew was coming — the paramour took the stand. In this episode, we break down the emotional testimony from Josh Grossman as jurors watched intimate text messages between him and Kouri play out on a courtroom screen, including declarations of love, dreams of a future together, and one chilling message sent the morning Eric Richins died. We walk through the texts, the tears on the witness stand, and what prosecutors appear to be building around motive. Plus, we hear from the paramour himself after he reached out to Hidden True Crime mid-livestream. Sponsors: For 50% off your order, head to ⁠https://DailyLook.com⁠ and use code HIDDEN. Visit ⁠https://www.aspcapetinsurance.com/HIDDEN⁠ to explore coverage. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, we break down one of the most technical — but potentially revealing — days of the Kouri Richins trial. Day 7 focused almost entirely on the finances, as a forensic accountant walked the jury through thousands of records showing mounting debt, bounced checks, payday lenders pulling daily payments, and what prosecutors say was a financial situation spiraling out of control in the months before Eric Richins’ death. We slow everything down and explain the complicated money trail step-by-step — from the HELOC and failed house flips to the Midway mansion deal, tax filings, and the $1.3 million in life insurance that was quickly spent after Eric died. And as we mark March 3rd — the night Eric likely died — we take a moment to remember the father of three at the center of this case before unpacking the testimony that prosecutors say points to motive. Sponsors: For 50% off your order, head to https://DailyLook.com and use code HIDDEN. Visit https://www.aspcapetinsurance.com/HIDDEN to explore coverage. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day six of the Kouri Richins trial was a digital deep dive — and it seriously challenged the defense’s accidental overdose narrative. In this episode, we unpack explosive Google searches about wiping iPhones, retrieving deleted texts, life insurance payouts, prisons, and FBI electronic analysis — alongside hundreds of deleted messages and app-based communications that vanished during the critical January–March 2022 window. We break down the minute-by-minute phone movement the night Eric died, the 87-minute Valentine’s Day gap on Eric’s device, and the cell tower data tying Carmen and Robert Crozier’s movements to key dates. Plus, we finally watch Crozier’s original police interview — and what he says there doesn’t entirely match his testimony on the stand. From forensic pathology with Dr. Erik Christensen to motive testimony about prenups and financial fear, today was layered, technical, and heavy. And when you zoom out? The digital breadcrumbs paint a picture the jury can’t easily ignore. Follow our Kouri Richins Coverage Gossip Rumor and Innuendo Interview About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day five of the Kouri Richins trial wasn’t about pills — it was about credibility, motive, and whether the state’s star witnesses are starting to unravel. In this episode, we break down the intense cross-examination of Carmen Lauber, whose timeline of alleged drug purchases shifted under pressure, and the stunning testimony of Robert Crozier, who flatly told the jury he never sold Carmen fentanyl — only oxycodone. From immunity deals and paused drug court to pricing arguments, conflicting affidavits, and whether detectives shaped key details over time, the math suddenly isn’t mathing. The prosecution tried to steady the ship on redirect, but with inconsistent memories, evolving statements, and a second dealer contradicting the fentanyl narrative, the courtroom energy shifted in a way that could change everything. Sponsors: Blissy: Wake up with clearer skin, smoother hair, and cooler sleep—use code HIDDEN for an extra 30% off at https://blissy.com/HIDDEN OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with code hidden at https://oneskin.co #ad About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kathy from Gossip, Rumor and Innuendo is here to talk all things Kouri Richins with Lauren. Sponsors: Blissy: Wake up with clearer skin, smoother hair, and cooler sleep—use code HIDDEN for an extra 30% off at https://blissy.com/HIDDEN Nurture Life: For 55% off your order, head to https://NurtureLife.com and use code HIDDEN55. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today began with measurements, missed vehicle searches, and questions about why key evidence only appeared after private investigator tips — but everything shifted when the witness the jury has been waiting for finally took the stand. In this episode, we break down continued cross-examination of crime scene tech Chelsea Gipson, including what wasn’t searched, what wasn’t tested, and why investigators returned to the home nearly ten times. Then we dive into the explosive testimony of Carmen Lauber — the woman the state says sourced the fentanyl. From immunity deals and deleted messages to alleged cash drops, Maverik meet-ups, and the “Michael Jackson stuff,” the jury heard detailed claims tying Kouri to multiple pill purchases. But the defense came hard on credibility — highlighting shifting memories, prior inconsistent statements, incentives to cooperate, and whether Carmen’s story evolved under pressure. We also address the unexpected juror sketching incident that led to someone being removed from the courtroom. Day four was messy, intense, and credibility-driven — and cross-examination isn’t over yet. Sponsors: Oneskin: Get 15% off OneSkin with code hidden at https://oneskin.co #ad Beam Dream:  Get the sleep you deserve with up to 35% off Dream. Just click https://shopbeam.com/hiddentruecrime and use code TRUECRIME at checkout. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day three of the Kouri Richins trial was unexpectedly short — but not before one stray comment triggered an immediate sidebar and a direct instruction to the jury to “put it out of their minds.” In this episode, we break down the moment a reference to “jail calls” prompted the defense to move to strike it, why the judge stepped in, and whether it could realistically impact the trial. We also unpack the cross-examination of crime scene tech Chelsea Gipson, including what was never photographed, what was never tested — most notably the hydrocodone bottle — and why that detail could become a key defense talking point. Even on a short day, the strategic moves inside that courtroom mattered. Sponsors: Gusto: Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/HIDDEN and get three months free when you run your first payroll. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day two of the Kouri Richins trial brought sharp challenges from the defense as they zeroed in on timeline discrepancies, crime scene procedure, and what law enforcement did—and didn’t—document that morning. We break down tense cross-examinations of first responders, powerful EMT testimony about Eric’s unusual body position, and the critical autopsy findings confirming a toxic level of fentanyl—while the manner of death remains officially undetermined. We also unpack the nuanced toxicology details, including alcohol in gastric contents and untouched naltrexone, and why those points could matter strategically for the jury. If you want the clearest, most thorough breakdown of what happened in court today, we’ve got you covered. Sponsors: Gusto: Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/HIDDEN and get three months free when you run your first payroll. Nurture Life: For 55% off your order, head to https://NurtureLife.com and use code HIDDEN55. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After nearly four years of twists, motions, and relentless speculation, the trial of Kouri Richins is finally underway—and day one did not disappoint. In this episode, we break down the explosive opening statements from both sides in the death of Eric Richins, who was found with five times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system inside the couple’s Utah home. Prosecutors allege a calculated murder fueled by financial collapse, a secret boyfriend, life insurance policies, and a “fresh start” motive—laying out damning text messages, deleted phone data, alleged pill purchases, and claims of a staged 911 call. The defense counters with a dramatically different narrative: a grieving widow, a flawed investigation, mishandled evidence, family interference, and a manner of death still officially listed as undetermined. From emotional testimony by Eric’s father and sister to tense cross-examinations about trusts, life insurance, divorce plans, and who really controlled the narrative from day one, we walk you through every key moment of testimony, the body cam footage, and the battle over what happened between 9:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m. This is where the state must prove its case—and where reasonable doubt takes center stage. Sponsor: Rula: Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts at Rula for just $15 per session with insurance at https://www.rula.com/HIDDEN #rulapod About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As the trial of Kouri Richins approaches, we’re breaking down everything you need to know before opening statements begin. In this deep dive, we walk through the timeline of Eric Richins’ death, the alleged fentanyl poisoning, financial motives, the children’s book written after his passing, key evidence prosecutors say they have, and what the defense is expected to argue. From text messages and insurance policies to the forensic findings that led to charges, this episode lays out the full case so you’re fully prepared for trial coverage. If you’ve been following the Kouri Richins case—or are just getting caught up—this is your complete, start-to-finish breakdown before court begins. Sponsors: Rula: Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts at Rula for just $15 per session with insurance at https://www.rula.com/HIDDEN #rulapod Miracle Brand: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made—go to trymiracle.com/HIDDEN and use code HIDDEN to claim your free 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

An 11-year-old cheerleader travels to Las Vegas for what should have been a weekend of bright lights, big routines, and hard-earned dreams — and never makes it to the competition floor. Hours after being reported missing, Addi Smith and her mother, Tawnia McGeehan, are found dead inside their hotel room. But how did a years-long custody battle, allegations of parental conflict, recent family loss, mounting pressure inside the cheer world, and whispers of mental health struggles converge into something so unthinkable? In this episode, we carefully walk through the confirmed timeline, the court history, the warning signs — and the difficult psychological questions that linger. Because behind the headlines is a young athlete who showed up to compete… and a story that forces us to ask: how did we get here? Sponsor: Miracle Brand: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made—go to trymiracle.com/HIDDEN and use code HIDDEN to claim your free 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

He watched it happen live. On a weekday afternoon in suburban Illinois, Adam Stewart opened his security app and saw a man rush into his garage behind his wife just before the door shut. Minutes later, 41-year-old Ashley Stewart was found unresponsive inside their Oswego home. In this episode, we break down the January 27, 2026 attack — the surveillance footage, 911 call, alleged GPS tracking device, prior police responses, and the divorce and bankruptcy proceedings that were unfolding just days before. Sponsor: Rula- Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts at Rula for just $15 per session with insurance at https://www.rula.com/HIDDEN #rulapod About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mike King is here to discuss the ongoing case of Nancy Guthrie. Mike's new podcast Gardens of Evil: Inside the Zion Society Cult, can be found on Apple, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts. Sponsors: Mint Mobile: Switch to Mint Mobile and get unlimited premium wireless for just $15/month for a limited time at mintmobile.com/HIDDEN. Avocado Green Mattress: Go to https://AvocadoGreenMattress.com/HIDDEN to check out their mattress and bedding sale. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices