Travis Makes Money

Eric, producer of the Travis Makes Money podcast, joins Travis in studio to break down how creator-led films are disrupting Hollywood’s old guard. He shares firsthand impressions from seeing YouTuber Markiplier’s horror film Iron Lung, highlighting why this low-budget, creator-driven project is such a big win for filmmakers, investors, and content creators looking to turn attention into real revenue. Eric’s enthusiasm and eye for story, audience behavior, and distribution make this conversation a must-listen for anyone serious about monetizing content at scale.​ On this episode we talk about: Why Iron Lung is “crazy good news” for the film industry and creators​ How Markiplier produced, wrote, starred in, and directed a profitable sub-$3M horror film​ The power of built-in distribution and preselling tickets through a loyal YouTube audience​ Why horror and action are often the smartest low-budget genres for indie filmmakers​ How creator–Hollywood crossovers (like Iron Lung and Happy Gilmore 2) are reshaping funding, casting, and IP strategy​ Top 3 Takeaways Creator-led projects with a passionate audience and clear distribution can outperform traditional studio films, even with a fraction of the budget.​ Horror and action films are often cheaper to make yet have broad appeal, making them ideal vehicles for indie and creator-driven projects.​ It’s no longer “YouTuber vs. actor”—creators who build real IP and care about the underlying story can unlock new paths into film, funding, and long-term opportunities.​ Notable Quotes “You have a film project that 4Xes on opening weekend—you have to start taking a look at that.”​ “What Hollywood is missing right now is what creators have, which is attention—unbridled attention.”​ “Get started doing something, because you never know what it’s going to end up being.”​ Connect with Travis: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell/ Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anne Cocquyt is a Silicon Valley operator, educator, and bestselling startup author who helps founders turn ideas into real businesses—fast. She’s the Founder & CEO of The Guild and The Guild Studio, an award-winning instructor at UC Berkeley, and a trusted advisor to accelerators around the world. In this episode, Anne breaks down how “vibe coding” and AI-powered tools are radically changing entrepreneurship—making it possible for anyone (even non-technical founders) to build MVPs, validate ideas, and reach market in days instead of months. On this episode we talk about: What “vibe coding” is and how non-technical founders can build MVPs in minutes Why traditional startup development (and million-dollar dev budgets) are becoming obsolete How AI is shrinking feedback loops and accelerating product-market fit The skills founders actually need in an AI-first world Practical ways to test ideas, validate demand, and market early-stage products Top 3 Takeaways You no longer need a big dev team or massive funding to launch—AI tools let founders build and iterate MVPs in days, not years. The real differentiator isn’t code anymore—it’s critical thinking, understanding users, and building something people actually want. Entrepreneurs who succeed will be “umbrella-skilled generalists,” able to build, test, market, and adapt quickly as technology evolves. Notable Quotes “Code is no longer a moat—the little dragon is the vibe coder.” “It’s not a question anymore if you can build it. It’s a question if you should build it.” “Unless you can wear multiple hats, it’s going to be very hard to defend just one skill.” Connect with Anne Cocquyt: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annecocquyt Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/annecocquyt Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annecocquyt Other: Website: https://annecocquyt.com The Guild Studio: https://letsguild.com  Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode is a solo deep dive with Travis, host of Travis Makes Money, breaking down how motivational interviewing—a communication method created by psychologists William R. Miller and Stephen Rollnick—can become a powerful tool for persuasion in business, sales, leadership, and personal growth. He shares personal stories, research-backed examples, and practical scripts that show how shifting from “convincing” to “uncovering” dramatically improves outcomes. On this episode we talk about: What motivational interviewing is and why most people persuade the wrong way. The real problem behind inaction: ambivalence, not lack of information. How addiction and healthcare studies prove this method works better than advice-giving. Using the 1–10 scale question and “Why is it not a two?” in sales conversations. Applying motivational interviewing with clients, employees, partners, and even your kids. Top 3 Takeaways People rarely change because you tell them to; they change faster when it feels like their idea, and motivational interviewing is designed to create that internal motivation. Asking precise questions like “On a scale of 1–10, how ready are you?” and “Why is it not a two?” pulls reasons for change out of the other person instead of pushing your arguments onto them. In sales and leadership, if you can explain someone’s problem back to them better than they can, they’ll assume you have the solution—so ask more questions, summarize clearly, and let them articulate their own standards and desired outcomes. Notable Quotes “Most people already know what they should do. The problem isn’t information, it’s ambivalence.” “People don’t change because they’re convinced; they change because they feel understood and they allow themselves to articulate the truth.” “Stop pitching and start pulling—talk less, ask better questions, and let them talk themselves into change.” Connect with Travis: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell/ Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode, Travis and his producer Eric riff through classic quotes from figures like Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison, Jim Rohn, Epictetus, and even the Joker’s mom, using each line as a launchpad to talk about money, time, self-education, and what opportunity really looks like in real life. They blend humor, movie references, and personal stories to challenge conventional wisdom and show why rethinking your relationship with learning, work, and wealth is essential if you want to build a life you actually enjoy. On this episode we talk about: Why “time is money” is incomplete and why time is actually more valuable than money How Warren Buffett illustrates the tradeoff between wealth and years of life The difference between formal education and self-education (and why school can make you hate learning) What opportunity really looks like, and why it usually shows up disguised as hard work and skill-building Stoic ideas about wealth, wanting less, and why money is a terrible master but an excellent servant Top 3 Takeaways Time is your most valuable asset, more important than money or status, and no amount of cash can buy back lost years. Self-education, driven by curiosity and discipline, is what creates real fortunes and career breakthroughs—especially once you realize school barely scratched the surface. Opportunity rarely appears as a dream job handed to you; it shows up as hard work, skill development, and adding value long before any big payoff. Notable Quotes "Time is the most valuable asset that we have, so it's actually greater than money." "Most people think education stops, but everything in my career started when I realized I didn’t know anything and had to go learn it myself." "People have this idealistic version of what opportunity looks like, but lack of opportunity is not what stands between you and success." Connect with Travis:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell• Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/travischappell• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell• Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ian Stanley is a veteran online entrepreneur and one of the most respected email copywriters in the game. He built his reputation writing copy that has generated millions in sales, then used that skill to create a lifestyle business that funds his love for travel and stand-up comedy. In this episode, Ian breaks down how he went from broke college kid clicking on sketchy “make money online” offers to becoming the go-to guy for email copy—and how that one decision to master a single skill changed everything. On this episode we talk about: How Ian made his first $118.34 online during a college final—and why that moment convinced him he’d never need a “real job” again The decision to go all-in on email copywriting while everyone else tried to do everything and stayed broke Why your early 20s shouldn’t be “grind only” and how you actually lose the skill of having fun if you over-optimize for hustle Using a “learn while you earn” job in your 20s to get paid to acquire rare skills and see real numbers, ad spend, and data from the inside How Ian helped scale companies from low to mid eight figures by obsessing over copy, email, and split tests The reality of pursuing art (like stand-up) vs. business—and how money buys you the freedom to go all-in on the thing you actually love Whether copywriting will still matter in an AI world and how to use AI without outsourcing your thinking Why writing is still the foundation of all great communication, speaking, and content—even if AI tools can draft your first version The trap of trying to automate yourself out of all “hard work” and why you only get paid for the work you don’t want to do Top 3 Takeaways Master one valuable skill first—like copywriting or email marketing—before you try to build a complex business. Depth beats dabbling, especially early on. Your 20s are for both: have fun and develop skills. If you sacrifice fun completely, you risk becoming successful but miserable; if you sacrifice skills, you stay stuck. AI is a powerful amplifier, not a replacement for thinking. The winners will be those who understand good marketing, strategy, and ideas—and then use AI as a tool, not a crutch. Notable Quotes “Everybody online was trying to do everything and they were all poor. I decided I’d just get really good at copywriting.” “If you’re in your 20s, you should be able to drink until 4 a.m., wake up at 7, and still get good work done. That’s the time to do it all, to have fun.” “You only get paid for the work you don’t want to do. If you outsource the one thing that actually matters in your business, what are you even here for?” Connect with Ian Stanley: Instagram (Comedy): https://www.instagram.com/ianstanleycomedy Instagram (Business/Marketing): https://www.instagram.com/almostpassiveincome Email List & Resources: https://getonmyfuckinglist.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this solo episode, Travis shares hard-won lessons from Paulo Coelho’s classic book The Alchemist and connects them to entrepreneurship, parenting, and the journey of building a meaningful life and business. He distills years of publishing over 1,500 podcast episodes, reading 200+ books, and countless hours of listening into a focused breakdown of why the adventure—not the outcome—is what truly matters. On this episode we talk about: What The Alchemist is really about and why it resonates with entrepreneurs The concept of a “personal legend” and how it applies to your goals and dreams Why settling for a “good enough” life keeps you stuck and resentful How to think about risk, comfort, and the closed fist vs. open hand mindset Parenting as preparation: helping your kids face struggle, fear, and their own adventure Top 3 Takeaways If you are not willing to risk what you have for what you want, you will probably never get it. Settling for a “good enough,” dream-adjacent life slowly turns into resentment toward people, opportunities, and the belief that there’s not enough out there. The real treasure is who you become on the journey—whether in business or parenting—and your job is to engineer struggle, growth, and adventure, not just comfort. Notable Quotes "If you're not willing to risk what you have to get what you want, then you probably won't get it." "It's not about having the thing. It's about who you become along the way of pursuing the thing." "The adventure is what makes life worth living." Connect with Travis: • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell • Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/travischappell • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell • Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis Chappell and producer Eric dive into whether "being good with money" can actually trap you in poverty by over-prioritizing frugality over life enjoyment. They debate Dave Ramsey-style saving vs. smart risks, using real stories like driving cars into the ground and delaying dream purchases until it's too late. On this episode we talk about: Trading mental health for frugality—driving 260k-mile cars as a "badge of honor" that backfires The Porsche 911 regret story: Waiting until 70 to buy your dream car, only to trade it with 2k miles Balance over extremes: Don't YOLO into debt, but don't delay family trips to Europe for "cash-only" rules Giving early and often—tips, GoFundMe, or urges—not rigid 10% church rules or corrupt nonprofits Why tipping feels best (direct impact) vs. tipping culture's annoying expectations at movie theaters Make more money as the real solution: Enjoy now and secure your future without sacrifice Top 3 Takeaways Frugality becomes toxic when it sacrifices mental health—buy the reliable car or family trip if you can afford it now, not at 72. Give generously when led to (tips, personal causes), not from guilt or rigid formulas; build the habit early regardless of income. Money's only value is what you exchange it for—prioritize experiences and peace today while protecting tomorrow by earning more. Notable Quotes "You don't want to wait till you're 72 to drive your dream car, because it's not as fun to drive when you're 72 as it is when you're 41." "If you don't build the habits when you have almost no money, you're probably not going to do it when you have some money." "Money is only useful for the things that you exchange it for." Connect with Travis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/travischappell Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at http://gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ashley Herd is the founder of Manager Method, former Head of HR North America at McKinsey & Company, national keynote speaker, top 10 business podcast host, and a LinkedIn Top Voice who has trained over 250,000 managers. With a background that spans law, HR, and corporate leadership across global companies like McKinsey and Yum! Brands, Ashley brings a rare blend of practical wisdom and real-world empathy. Her new book, The Manager Method, provides a simple, powerful framework—Pause, Consider, Act—to help managers lead with confidence, avoid burnout, and create high-performing teams. On this episode we talk about: How Ashley made her first dollar as a Subway “sandwich artist” and the lessons it taught her about leadership Why she left a high-profile role at McKinsey to build her own leadership training business The surprising similarities between corporate leaders and front-line managers How social media helped her reach millions with practical management advice Ashley’s three-step “Pause, Consider, Act” framework from her book The Manager Method What it’s really like to write and publish a book with Hay House Top 3 Takeaways Great management isn’t about titles or degrees—it’s about practicing empathy, communication, and self-awareness. Social media can democratize leadership training, giving valuable education to people at every level. Pausing before reacting—whether as a leader, coworker, or entrepreneur—can turn a difficult moment into a growth opportunity. Notable Quotes “The smartest people in the world often need practical training just like everyone else.” “Whether it’s a McKinsey partner or a McDonald’s manager, everyone deserves access to good leadership training.” “Sometimes the hardest thing about leadership isn’t knowing what to do—it’s taking a breath before you do it.” Connect with Ashley Herd: LinkedIn: Ashley Herd on LinkedIn Twitter/X: @managermethod Instagram: @managermethod Website and Book: managermethod.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform.  Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis Chappell delivers a solo masterclass on gaining influence—the essential skill for entrepreneurs, networkers, and anyone looking to close more deals or build authority. Drawing from Robert Cialdini's Influence, his podcast booking agency that hit $1M in 8 months, and years of relationship-building, Travis shares three proven paths to become undeniably influential without gimmicks or scams. On this episode we talk about: Why "be interested, not interesting" is half the networking equation—becoming a person of interest first "Badass bullets": How unique accomplishments (ultras, stadium tours, epic feats) make you a must-interview guest Value = influence: Give practical advice, entertainment, or insights to earn trust and obedience Examples from Gary Vee, MrBeast, and The Rock—how consistent value creation turns into massive business wins The power of frequency over volume: Short-form consistency builds long-term trust faster than you think Top 3 Takeaways Become a person of interest—stack unique life experiences (adventures, feats, stories) so others evangelize you naturally. Deliver value relentlessly; it doesn't have to be profound—entertainment or quick wins create loyal followers who act on your word. Stay consistent over time; frequency breeds trust, turning one-off interactions into lifelong influence. Notable Quotes "Value equals influence. The more value that you give, the more influence that you have." "People who do really interesting, cool things... become the evangelists for them just by very nature." "Be interested, not interesting... [but] being interesting is actually still a really valuable piece of the equation." Connect with Travis Chappell: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/travischappell Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell Other: travismakesmoney.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at http://gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis Chappell teams up with his longtime friend and collaborator Eric for a fun, unfiltered episode of the Travis Makes Money podcast. Eric reads provocative quotes from thinkers like Naval Ravikant and Benjamin Franklin, challenging Travis to agree or disagree with context from his own life and business journey. Packed with laughs, banter, and real talk on fame, education, saving vs. earning, and designing your own life path.​ On this episode we talk about: Travis's massive nicotine stash and why he has a year's supply in his desk drawer​ How close friendships lead to knowing each other's stories too well (door-to-door sales, anyone?)​ Agree/disagree: "Life is a single player game" – owning your path without overvaluing others' opinions​ Agree/disagree: "You want to be rich and anonymous, not poor and famous" – podcast micro-fame vs. nightmare celebrity​ Agree/disagree: "The overeducated are worse off than the undereducated" – why street smarts often beat degrees​ Roasting Ben Franklin's "A penny saved is a penny earned" – earn more, don't obsess over coupons​ Top 3 Takeaways You're the main character in your own "single player game" – question inherited paths and design a life that fulfills you, not others' expectations.​ Aim for "rich and anonymous" over fame; meaningful connections with a niche audience build sustainable businesses without public life hassles.​ Focus on earning more money rather than extreme frugality – redirect "coupon-clipping" energy into income generation for real freedom.​ Notable Quotes "You're the only person that has to wake up every day and be you."​ "Spend that free time figuring out a way to make extra money and you don't have to worry about where you fill up."​ "Would you rather be right or would you rather be successful?"​ Connect with Travis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell​ Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/travischappell​ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell​ Website: https://www.travischappell.com ​ Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at http://gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mikey Margolin is the founder of Etho Wellness Club, a social platform that's thrown 33 wellness events in Las Vegas in just eight months, drawing thousands with cold plunges, saunas, movement, music, and brand partners like Ever Bowl. Growing up in Vegas' party culture, he left a sports betting job to build healthier social spaces after battling drugs, alcohol, and gambling personally. Now he's creating the "third space" locals crave—fun without vices—while turning community demand into a scalable wellness ecosystem. On this episode we talk about: Why Vegas' traditional nightlife (partying, gambling, drugs) isn't sustainable, and how Mikey spotted demand for healthy social events blending music, movement, and recovery. His personal rock bottom in the gambling industry that forced him to quit and go all-in on Etho as his only path forward. Highs of massive community support (33 seamless events, inbound brand partnerships) vs. lows of thin margins and labor-intensive operations. Tactics for high-volume events: build a visionary team, keep marketing simple (flyers at gyms, word-of-mouth), and let great experiences drive organic growth. How post-COVID population booms and mindset shifts from California/Texas transplants are making Vegas ripe for wellness as the new "capital" of health. Top 3 Takeaways Start with community over business models—throw grassroots events to test demand, gather feedback, and let partnerships/revenue streams emerge organically (like Mikey's Puma/Lululemon deals). Overcome "closed fist" fear by surrendering to the mission; opportunities like venues and sponsors appear when you create real value first, even if margins start slim. Build the "third space" people crave (beyond home/work): accessible wellness clubs for daily hangs, not elite/exclusive, to foster belonging and health without vices. Notable Quotes "Why does it always have to be the healthy ones sacrificing? Let's create environments where healthy behavior is celebrated." "Everyone believed in what we were doing, but 'how will this pay the bills?'—we surrendered, threw the first event, and doors opened we never imagined." "Vegas is shifting: casinos' gambling/drinking numbers are down because people want healthier, happier lives." Connect with Mikey Margolin: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethomikey/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/justlikemikey/?hl=en Website: ethoclub.com (events, email list) Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this solo episode, Travis breaks down how to “cut the line” in life and business using the same principle behind amusement park fast passes. Drawing from his own journey—from hating long lines to hacking his way into faster growth—he explains the mindset and identity shifts that let you skip years of unnecessary waiting. If you’ve ever felt stuck, behind, or like success is taking too long, this episode lays out a practical roadmap to move quicker toward the life and income you actually want.​ On this episode we talk about: Why Travis always buys the Fast Pass at theme parks and how that applies to life and money​ The power of changing your identity before your actions and habits​ Why valuing time over money is a critical shortcut to success​ How expanding your comfort zone unlocks your next level​ Reframing fear from rejection and embarrassment to long-term regret​ The importance of upgrading your circle to people who’ve “been there, done that”​ Top 3 Takeaways Change your identity first. Decide who you are (reader, runner, entrepreneur, leader) and let your actions follow that new identity instead of waiting for evidence before you believe it.​ Value time more than money. Money is only useful for what you exchange it for, and using it to buy back time is one of the fastest ways to accelerate your growth.​ Upgrade your environment—your comfort zone, your fears, and your circle. Getting around people ahead of you can save you months or years of trial and error with a few simple “tweaks.”​ Notable Quotes “We have a psychological desire to act in consistency with who we believe ourselves to be.”​ “If you’re not actively using your money to buy back your time, you’re probably using both ineffectively.”​ “Would you rather be right or would you rather be successful?”​ Connect with Travis Chappell: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell​ Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/travischappell​ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell​ Website: https://www.travischappell.com​ Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at http://gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis and producer Eric break down a viral tweet questioning Dave Ramsey's $200M net worth and "no debt" advice, revealing why he's likely worth over a billion and how he built a debt-free empire preaching timeless financial basics. On this episode we talk about: A tweet claiming Dave Ramsey got rich selling "no credit card" advice he never followed himself. Ramsey Solutions' massive scale: 10M EveryDollar app users, $300M+ annual revenue, $300-400M in paid-off real estate. Why similar apps (TrueBill/Rocket Money) sold for $1.275B, proving Ramsey's hidden billionaire status. How to vet advice from "sellers" like coaches/authors without dismissing all profitable wisdom. The power of repeating simple truths (like "spend less than you make") for decades like Ramsey or Gary Vee. Top 3 Takeaways Practice beats preaching. Ramsey lives debt-free, owns everything outright, and scaled to billions without outside capital—proving his advice works at massive scale. Question financial incentives, but don't auto-discount. If someone's advice only makes them richer via high-ticket coaching, probe deeper; low-price scalability (books/courses) is often more legit. Boring repetition builds empires. Dave's said "spend less than you earn" for 30+ years; Gary Vee's hammered social/content for 20—find your core truth and repeat relentlessly. Notable Quotes "Dave Ramsey didn't get to $200 million by never using a credit card... He got to $200 million by selling that idea to you."  "EveryDollar is a multi-billion dollar company. Rocket Money (TrueBill) sold for $1.275B with 10M users—Ramsey owns it 100% debt-free." "He's been preaching the same message for 30 years and still debt is at an all-time high... but he's made a big dent for tons of people." Connect with Travis: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell/ Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Charles Steel spent two decades at top-tier firms like Goldman Sachs, The Carlyle Group, and Ares Management, working closely with management teams to build companies and deploy capital at scale. He later advised Tony Blair in Jerusalem, chaired Save the Children UK, and most recently authored The Curious Mind of Elon Musk: Nine Ways He Thinks Differently, where he dissects how the world’s most driven entrepreneur approaches risk, purpose, and problem-solving. Across finance, policy, and philanthropy, Charles brings a rare, multi-angle perspective on how big money and big ideas actually get made. On this episode we talk about: How a hectic teenage restaurant job taught Charles camaraderie, stoicism, and the confidence that “we’ll figure it out and get paid by the end of the day.” The path from a middle-class upbringing and studying history at Cambridge to landing at Goldman Sachs and learning what true excellence looks like. Why he wishes he’d fed his curiosity more at university—and how he’s become a student again later in life. The workload and culture at elite investment banks in the late ’90s, and the tradeoffs of chasing excellence at 80–100 hour weeks. How curiosity pulled him from private equity into advising Tony Blair in the Middle East and chairing Save the Children UK. Why Elon Musk is so hard to categorize and the three “ingredients” Charles believes truly explain him: existential anxiety, hyper-rational engineering, and unusual creativity. How Musk reframes risk, probability, and failure—and what regular entrepreneurs can learn from that mindset. Why embracing your “strangeness,” feeding your curiosity, and doing intricate, carefully made work can be a powerful (and profitable) life strategy. Top 3 Takeaways Curiosity is not just about asking questions; it’s about caring enough to explore deeply, cross disciplines, and stick with difficult, intricate work long enough to make something truly valuable. Elon Musk’s advantage isn’t just IQ or work ethic—it’s the way he reframes risk, failure, and the future as a range of possible outcomes he can influence by backing himself and acting boldly. You don’t need to copy Musk to benefit from his thinking; you can apply the same principles by betting on yourself, embracing hard problems, and leaning into what makes you different instead of trying to be “normal.” Notable Quotes “At Goldman Sachs, I learned what excellence really was.” “I wanted to understand what really drove him—what drives the most driven person in the world.” “Don’t worry so much about being normal. Embrace your differentness.” Connect with Charles Steel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charles-steel-3804397b/ Twitter/X: https://x.com/crasteel Other: Website – https://charlessteel.com (links to his book The Curious Mind of Elon Musk: Nine Ways He Thinks Differently and other work) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis delivers a solo masterclass on the "Credibility Code," sharing the top five proven ways he's used to build massive trust in his personal brand and business, even when he wasn't the "best" at what he did. Drawing from his own journey, he explains why the most successful people often win through perception and proof rather than just skill alone.​ On this episode we talk about: The "celebrity effect" and why credibility often trumps raw talent in getting business.​ Why PR and publications are still the lowest-hanging fruit for instant third-party validation.​ Building a massive library of testimonials and case studies tailored to different customer avatars.​ Creating high-volume content and guest appearances to overwhelm skeptics with evidence.​ Associating with "undeniable" influencers (like Shaq) to borrow their trust and skyrocket your brand.​ Top 3 Takeaways Stack social proof relentlessly. Don't just add one or two testimonials—build a library matching every possible customer scenario so prospects see themselves in your results.​ Volume creates conviction. Flood Google with your name through guest spots, podcasts, and backlinks until anyone researching you finds overwhelming evidence you're legit.​ Associate to accelerate. Share the stage with "Shaq-level" names in your niche; their endorsement transfers instant trust, often more powerfully than PR logos alone.​ Notable Quotes "The people who got the most business were not necessarily always the best at what they did. They were just the ones who were well known for doing it."​ "If anybody researched who I am... you're going to find so much volume... it's going to be overwhelming... that you can't avoid the idea that I'm credible."​ "Nike spends tens of billions a year in endorsements. They're basically just buying trust with their ideal audience. That's all it is."​ Connect with Travis: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell/ Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis is joined in the studio by his producer Eric for a fun but honest conversation about body image, fitness culture, and what it really means to optimize your life for long‑term health and happiness instead of just aesthetics. Together they unpack a viral Arthur Brooks clip about why the “happiest men over 40 are 25 pounds overweight,” and connect it to money, family, and the pressure to perform. On this episode we talk about: How a viral Arthur Brooks clip reframes what “healthy” and “happy” actually mean after 40. Why extreme fitness goals can quietly become another form of unhealthy obsession or body dysmorphia for men. The trade‑offs behind bodybuilding, steroids, TRT, and chasing the “movie superhero” physique. Balancing physical health with relationships, shared moments (like pizza night), and being present with your family. Applying the same optimization idea to money, careers, and success so you don’t sacrifice your whole life for one metric. Top 3 Takeaways Optimize across your whole life, not just one metric. Abs, money, or career status are only a few variables in the bigger equation that also includes relationships, spiritual life, joy, and service, and over‑optimizing one can wreck the others. Chasing an “ideal body” can become as dangerous as chasing money for its own sake. When your identity is tied only to a look or a number on the scale, you start making unhealthy sacrifices that actually move you away from true health and happiness. Enjoy the process and the people, not just the result. Whether it is eating carbs with your family on a trip, sharing dessert at grandma’s, or having a slice of pizza with your spouse, those small moments often matter more than perfect macros or picture‑perfect abs. Notable Quotes “You have to optimize across more than one variable. You have your abs, joy in your relationships, and spiritual transcendence—all different variables you’re trying to optimize simultaneously.” “To pursue the result at the expense of your personal health along the way is the opposite reason most of us started doing this in the first place.” “Money only solves your money problems, but it is easier to solve the rest of your problems when you’ve got money in the bank—so let’s solve that one first.” Connect with Travis: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell/ Other: travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All‑In‑One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform, and get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Cameron Herold is the mastermind behind the exponential growth of hundreds of companies worldwide and is often called the CEO Whisperer. He’s the founder of the COO Alliance and the Invest In Your Leaders training program, and the former COO of 1-800-GOT-JUNK?, where he helped scale revenue from 2 million to 106 million in just six years. He’s also the author of several influential business books, including Vivid Vision and Free PR, and hosts The Second in Command podcast. On this episode we talk about: How Cameron’s first “business” at seven years old collecting and reselling coat hangers sparked a lifelong entrepreneurial journey. Why entrepreneurial thinking (spotting opportunities, selling, leading, problem-solving) matters for every kid—even if they never start a company. How to practically “raise entrepreneurs” by letting kids run real mini-businesses without helicopter parenting. The difference between being an entrepreneur and being entrepreneurial, and why not everyone is wired to be a founder (and that’s okay). Cameron’s Vivid Vision framework, why most mission statements fail, and how to actually get your team aligned around the future. How founders can regain clarity when their original vision no longer fits, and where to turn when you feel “stuck” strategically. Why real relationship-building beats old-school “networking,” and how to put yourself in the right rooms with the right people. How to think about media and podcasts using the “digital trifecta” so every interview or feature keeps paying dividends for years. Top 3 Takeaways Raising entrepreneurial kids is less about forcing them to start companies and more about giving them reps in leadership, sales, negotiation, problem-solving, and time management—without rescuing them every time they struggle. A Vivid Vision is a detailed 3–5 page description of what your company looks, feels, and acts like three years in the future, and your job as a founder is to communicate that picture clearly and repeatedly so others can help build it. Media appearances (press, podcasts, features) only matter if you actively repurpose, promote, and reshare them; the long-term leverage comes from what you do with each “log on the fire,” not from the hit itself. Notable Quotes “We don’t need to raise our kids to be entrepreneurs, but we do need to raise them to be entrepreneurial.” “The Vivid Vision is a four- or five-page description of what every part of your company looks like, acts like, and feels like three years from now.” “It’s not about what podcast you’re on; it’s what you do with that podcast afterwards.” Connect with Cameron Herold: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/coo-alliance/ Twitter/X: https://x.com/CameronHerold Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameron_herold_cooalliance Other: Website – https://cameronherold.com (includes links to books, COO Alliance, Invest In Your Leaders, and his Second in Command podcast) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this solo episode of Travis Makes Money, host Travis Chappell shares strategies from his "Explode Your Network" course on crafting balanced networks across success levels—basement (beginners), first-story (peers), second-story (slightly ahead), and cloud-level (ultra-successful). He explains how unbalanced networks breed complacency or ego traps, and reveals how to design "houses" of relationships for health, finance, and fulfillment. On this episode we talk about: Building a well-rounded network across four levels: helping those behind you, collaborating with peers, learning from those slightly ahead, and tapping abundance mindsets from the ultra-successful. Dangers of unbalanced networks—like complacency when surrounded only by beginners or limited advice from those just ahead who secretly root against your surpassing them. Crafting specialized "houses" for life areas (health, finance, fulfillment) with tailored relationships at each success ladder level. How your environment shapes your habits, beliefs, and actions—curate podcasts, social media, and inputs to redesign yourself without physical relocation. Starting content like podcasts to contribute to beginners while accelerating your own growth through teaching. Top 3 Takeaways Balance your network across success levels to avoid stagnation, ego-driven limits, or irrelevant advice—help those behind, peer effectively, learn selectively, and seek top-level abundance thinking. Design multiple "houses" of relationships for health, wealth, and fulfillment to build well-rounded success, not just one-dimensional wins. Own your environment: virtual inputs like podcasts and YouTube become your outputs, giving you control over who you become even without changing locations. Notable Quotes "They're rooting for you to be successful until you hit the limit that makes you then more successful than they are." "If your environment is what controls who you're going to be and you have control over your environment, then ultimately you have control over the person that you're going to be." "The inputs that you have will eventually become your outputs." Connect with Travis Chappell: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/travischappell Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell Other: https://travischappell.com (travis@travischappell.com) Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this episode of Travis Makes Money, Travis and his producer Eric break down a wild new headline: top TikTok creator, Khaby Lame, reportedly selling his company and full AI likeness rights—face, voice, and behavior—for a staggering $900 million. They riff on what that means for creators, the ethics and upside of licensing your digital twin, and how AI is reshaping content, Hollywood, and the value of attention. Along the way, they veer into everything from Japanese conglomerates that make both bulldozers and magic wands to why practical filmmaking still matters in an AI-saturated world. On this episode we talk about: Khaby Lame’s rise from 2020 pandemic creator to 160M+ TikTok followers and a $900M likeness deal What it really means to authorize your face, voice, and behavior for AI “digital twin” use The difference between using AI as a tool (editing, simulation) versus fully replacing human talent How AI content, deep fakes, and fake “news” clips are eroding trust in what we see online Why practical filmmaking tricks and imperfect, human moments still matter more than flawless AI shots Top 3 Takeaways The value of attention is exploding, and top creators can now monetize not just sponsorships and licensing, but their entire digital twin for generational wealth. There’s a huge ethical and creative gap between using AI to support production (editing, simulations) and using it to fully replace human performers, likenesses, and original work. For most creators and entrepreneurs, the actionable move is simple: consistently create and publish, because you have no idea how valuable your personal brand and IP might become in a few short years. Notable Quotes “He sold his likeness for $900 million. I don’t even know what to say. That breaks my brain.” “Churches are businesses and evangelizing is marketing and sales—but this AI likeness deal is like selling your soul on hard mode.” “If you’re not creating content, you could be missing out on $900 million. You never know what one simple idea might turn into.” Connect with Travis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/traviscchappell Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell Website: https://travischappell.com Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis is joined by fractional CFO Pam Jordan, who helps entrepreneurs understand their numbers and build profitable, sustainable businesses. Pam brings a data-driven lens to the Travis Makes Money podcast P&L, breaking down exactly how the show generated $450,000 in 2025 and what that really means after costs and profit margins.​ On this episode we talk about: How the Travis Makes Money podcast generated $450,000 in 2025 and the three revenue streams behind it (ads, coaching, concierge growth services).​ Why ad and sponsorship income made up 70% of revenue and how aggressive publishing (up to 2–3 episodes per day) drove those results.​ The role of podcast coaching as a 14% revenue stream and how Travis helps entrepreneurs launch and grow shows that drive business.​ Concierge growth services (16% of revenue) and how getting booked on other podcasts can lead to clients, book deals, and big opportunities.​ The true cost structure of the podcast (30% direct production costs, 20% advertising) and why a 35% net operating income makes this a healthy media business.​ Top 3 Takeaways You can build a real, profitable income directly from a podcast, but it typically takes years, consistent content, and a strategic approach to revenue (not just downloads).​ Publishing more frequently—paired with dynamic ad insertion—can dramatically increase total monthly impressions and sponsorship revenue, often faster than trying to grow downloads per episode.​ Podcasting is more than ad dollars; it’s a business development engine that creates content, sharpens communication skills, builds relationships, and can lead to coaching, services, and other high-margin offers.​ Notable Quotes "For 2025, Travis Makes Money podcast brought in $450,000, and 70% of that was ads and sponsorship income."​ "It proved a really big thing to me, which is that it is possible to turn the podcast itself into a full-time income."​ "It's not what you make that matters, it's what you keep."​ Connect with Pam Jordan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamjordan/​ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PamjordanCFO/​ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pamjordancfo​ Other: Website – https://pamjordan.com​ Travis Makes Money is made possible by High Level – the All-In-One Sales & Marketing Platform built for agencies, by an agency. Capture leads, nurture them, and close more deals—all from one powerful platform. Get an extended free trial at gohighlevel.com/travis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices