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Hosted by Jared Correia, Legal Late Night is a weekly, pop culture-infused romp through the latest & greatest business management ideas and technology tips for lawyers, featuring engaging guests, and constructed in the format of an old school television variety show.
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Jared Correia dives into March Madness, breaking down his top five most impactful NCAA Final Four tournaments of all time. From Texas Western breaking Jim Crow-style recruiting in 1966 to the legendary Magic Johnson vs. Larry Bird showdown in 1979, Jared explores the history of college basketball's biggest stage.Next, Jared sits down with Daniel Steinberg, the Founder and CEO of Lawbrokr. Daniel shares his journey from building partnerships at Clio to launching his own legal tech startup. He opens up about the difficult reality of startup pivots, explaining why Lawbrokr shifted away from a consumer-attorney marketplace model to become a dedicated B2B digital intake and marketing solution.In this interview, we cover:The Lawbrokr Pivot: Why the unit economics of building a legal marketplace broke down, and how listening to customer data saved the company.The "Leaky Funnel": Why law firms need to stop obsessing over raw website traffic and start focusing on actual web traffic conversion.The Human Element: Why the vulnerability of legal consumers means intake processes can never be 100% automated by AI.Agency Partnerships: How Lawbrokr partners with marketing agencies to optimize conversions and prove ROI for law firms.Finally, in the Counter Program, Jared puts Daniel's accounting background to the test in a ridiculous new trivia game called "Boats and Hoes," inspired by the movie Step Brothers.Learn more about Daniel and Lawbrokr.Check out our YouTube ChannelFind more great content at Legal Broadcasting CompanyAnd connect with Jared on LinkedIn.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: The Best NCAA Final Fours
(05:27) - #5: The 1991 Rocky Four Final Four (Duke vs. UNLV)
(07:43) - #4: The 1982 Final Four (Jordan vs. Ewing)
(11:12) - #3: The 1957 Final Four (UNC's Triple Overtime Wins)
(12:09) - #2: The 1966 Final Four (Texas Western Breaks Jim Crow Recruiting)
(15:33) - #1: The 1979 Final Four (Magic vs. Bird)
(20:58) - Interview Start: Meet Daniel Steinberg of Lawbrokr
(21:57) - Using ChatGPT as a New Parent
(24:26) - Daniel's Background: From Tech Sales to Clio Partnerships
(30:57) - The Impetus for Launching Lawbrokr
(32:32) - The Hard Pivot: Why the Marketplace Model Broke Down
(37:37) - Lawbrokr Today: Digital Intake and Web Traffic Conversion
(38:22) - The Biggest Law Firm Mistake: Ignoring Web Conversions
(42:21) - Why Legal Intake Will Always Need a Human Touch
(45:45) - Partnering with Marketing Agencies
(47:16) - The Value of the Legal Conference Circuit
(48:46) - What's Next: Lawbrokr Anywhere & Data Transparency
(51:58) - Counter Program: Boats and Hoes Trivia
(01:02:11) - Outro & This Week's Playlist
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Jared Correia breaks down a massive shift in the legal industry: the rise of Management Services Organizations (MSOs). As private equity finds new ways to invest in the legal space without violating ethics rules, Jared explains how MSOs are restructuring law firms and why every owner needs to pay attention.Next, Jared is joined by the coolest guest in LLN history, Owen Hemsath (aka Owen Video), CEO of Acceleratus Media. Owen shares his journey from a 10-year stint as a waiter to becoming a YouTube and video marketing powerhouse.In this interview, we cover:Why YouTube is King: Why lawyers should focus on the YouTube/Instagram "one-two punch" rather than chasing TikTok trends.The "One Good Thing" Rule: Stop overcomplicating your marketing. Learn why focusing on consistent video content is the best way to build your brand.Scripting for Authenticity: How a proper video structure (beginning, middle, and call-to-action) actually allows your true personality to shine.Stop Gatekeeping: Why the best strategy is walking clients through the legal processes they fear, rather than creating boring commercials.Finally, in the Counter Program, Jared tests Owen’s knowledge of his adopted home state in a hilarious game of "S* Utahns Say,"** covering everything from "Fry Sauce" and "Jello Salads" to "NCMOs" (Non-Committal Make-Outs).Learn more about Owen "Video" Hemsath and Acceleratus MediaSubscribe to our YouTube Channel.We're actively growing our new podcast network, so check in to find amazing new content.And check out this week's Spotify Playlist.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: The Modern Day Guild Structure
(01:53) - Subverting the Ethics Rules: The Rise of ABS and MSOs
(03:03) - How Private Equity is Funding Law Firm MSOs
(04:05) - The Pros: Practicing at the Top of Your License
(05:01) - The Cons: Hollowing Out the Value of Law Firms
(06:51) - Interview Start: Meet Owen Hemsath (aka Owen Video)
(08:35) - The Steve Jobs Wardrobe & On-Camera Branding
(10:27) - The Origin of "Owen Video" & Avoiding the Paparazzi
(12:09) - The Origin Story: From Waiter to Multimedia Expert
(15:51) - Why Video is the Ultimate Social Media Dominator
(17:43) - Don't DIY: Why You Need a Content Strategy
(19:35) - Scripting for Authenticity: Start, Middle, Stop
(22:19) - The YouTube/Instagram One-Two Punch
(24:23) - Long-Form vs. Short-Form: What Works Best?
(27:25) - Why Owen Left TikTok (Despite 100M Views)
(29:37) - ROI vs. Vanity Metrics: Designing Shows, Not Just Videos
(31:45) - Building Video Confidence from Scratch
(36:53) - Stop Gatekeeping Your Knowledge (And Stop Fearing Competitors)
(38:41) - The Move to Utah: The Second Hollywood
(41:54) - Counter Program: S*** Utahns Say
(43:33) - Utah Slang: Fry Sauce
(45:33) - Utah Slang: Sloughing Off
(46:34) - Utah Slang: Dirty Soda
(48:25) - Utah Slang: Oh My Heck
(50:06) - Utah Food: The Jello Salad
(51:24) - Utah Food: Funeral Potatoes
(52:49) - Utah Slang: The Jockey Box
(54:53) - Utah Slang: NCMO (Non-Committal Make-Out)
(56:53) - Outro & This Week's Playlist
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Jared Correia challenges law firms to move beyond boilerplate policies and embrace a tech-centric approach to process management. Later, he sits down with Matt Rubin, the "Mr. Marketing" himself, to discuss the volatile history of SEO and why Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) is set to absorb 30% of the search market by the end of the year.In this episode, we cover:The Procedural Challenge: Why your law firm's manual shouldn't just be a "dusty shiv" for HR emergencies, but a living guide yoked to your technology stack.Matt Rubin's Rollercoaster Career: From making millions in mortgage marketing to working as a $13/hour leasing consultant during the 2008 crash, and eventually founding his own agency with two (soon to be three) patents.The Future of Search: How AEO and AI tools like Gemini and ChatGPT are changing discovery for lawyers.Personalized Advertising: Why dynamic ads tied to your CRM data are the ultimate competitive advantage for small firms.Finally, stay tuned for the "Shitty Olympics" in our Counter Program, where Jared tests Matt's knowledge of bizarre historical Winter Olympic sports like Ski Ballet and Skijuring.Learn more about THE Mr. Marketing, Matt Rubin.Subscribe to our YouTube Channel.We're actively growing our new podcast network, so check in to find amazing new content.And check out this week's Spotify Playlist.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro: Policies and Procedures Manuals
(01:25) - The "Dusty Shiv": Moving Beyond Boilerplate Policies
(02:27) - Rebuilding Procedures Around Your Technology Stack
(03:24) - Documenting Automation, Email, and Even the Candy Dish
(04:24) - Process Management: The Key to Productive Onboarding
(06:14) - Interview Start: Meet Matt Rubin of Mr. Marketing
(08:07) - The Origin of the "Mr. Marketing" Nickname
(10:01) - Career Volatility: Millions in Mortgages to $13/Hour
(13:23) - Navigating Google’s Animal Updates (Panda & Penguin)
(16:40) - Dynamic Content Optimization: Matt’s Patents
(18:02) - AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) vs. Traditional SEO
(18:42) - Why AI Search Will Absorb 30% Market Share This Year
(19:47) - Why Advertising Still Trumps Passive Search
(21:54) - The Role of Google Reviews in the Buying Decision
(23:40) - Why You Can’t Automate Human Emotion in Reviews
(28:35) - Personalized Advertising: The Future of Real-Time Ads
(34:19) - Marketing War Stories: The Russian Mob and 3 AM Calls
(38:32) - Counter Program: The Shitty Olympics (Winter Edition)
(40:26) - Real or Fake? Military Patrol and Ice Pogo
(42:44) - The Reality of Ski Ballet and Ski Jouring
(45:33) - Synchronized Snow Angels & Frozen Pole Vault
(46:50) - Bandy: Russian Hockey with Balls
(48:16) - Outro & This Week's Olympic Playlist
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Jared Correia takes us on a psychedelic tour of Memphis before diving into the complex world of tax optimization for business owners. First, in the monologue, Jared recaps his "mind-f***" trip to Graceland. From the Jungle Room’s porcelain monkeys and a bright yellow-and-black TV room to Elvis’s Gatorade-stocked private jets, Jared explains why the King’s estate is essentially "Redneck Disney World"—a 14-acre compound built to the god of capitalism. Then, Jared sits down with Megan Robin, owner of Megan Robin Law. Megan holds an LLM in Tax Law and explains how she fills the "multidisciplinary gap" for law firm owners. In this interview, we discuss:The Conventional Retirement Trap: Why aggressive 401k saving might not make sense for high-earning "knowledge workers" who peak later in life. The CFO Gap: Why your $500-per-return accountant likely isn't providing proactive tax strategy. Real Estate vs. Wall Street: The hidden conflict of interest in Assets Under Management (AUM) fees and why your advisor might be steering you away from property investments. Niching for Lawyers: Why Megan focuses on the unique entrepreneurial mindset of law firm owners. Finally, stick around for a new segment: "Taxing Myths and Legends." Jared tests Megan on the weirdest taxes in human history. Find out which are real—from the Ancient Roman urine tax to the 19th-century Ohio squirrel scalp tax. Learn more about Megan Robin.Subscribe to our YouTube Channel.And check out our unique Spotify playlist for this episode.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Travels with Jared in Search of America
(03:12) - Rolling up to Graceland: Staggering Cultural Relevance
(04:02) - "Redneck Disney World": 14 Acres of Rock and Roll
(04:54) - Inside the House: The Jungle Room & Porcelain Monkeys
(06:32) - The Mind-F***: Graves off the Pool & Private Jets
(08:15) - Pink Cadillacs, Jumpsuits, and Lilo & Stitch
(09:11) - The TCB Band (Taking Care of Business)
(11:31) - Interview Start: Megan Robin, Queen of Tax Planning
(13:26) - Origin Story: Inspired by a Farm-Born Grandmother
(14:44) - Why Get an LLM in Tax? Real-World Tangible Results
(17:19) - Fusing Personal Finance & Tax Optimization
(19:28) - Elementary School Currencies: The Unemployable Entrepreneur
(21:19) - Niching Down: Why Tax Law for Attorneys?
(22:57) - The Discovery Call: Incentives, P&Ls, and Fit
(25:35) - Tax Myth #1: The Trap of Post-Tax Retirement Vehicles
(28:14) - Tax Myth #2: Your Accountant is Transactional, Not a CFO
(30:08) - Tax Strategy During Government Disarray
(33:37) - Scaling Laws: When Systems Break at $1M
(35:04) - Vulnerability & Money: Stocks, Bonds, and Honesty
(37:39) - Real Estate & The Hidden Risk of AUM Fees
(41:26) - Counter Program: Taxing Myths and Legends
(47:12) - Real or Fake? The Roman Urine Tax
(48:22) - Peter the Great’s Beard Tax
(50:31) - The destructive Ohio Squirrel Scalp Tax
(51:47) - Medieval England’s Window Tax
(53:41) - Outro & The Elvis Spotify Playlist
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Jared explores a metric every law firm should track: NPS. Plus, we take a deep dive into the changing landscape of legal talent.First, in the monologue, Jared breaks down the concept of NPS (Net Promoter Score). He explains how to categorize your clients into promoters, passives, and detractors to accurately gauge brand loyalty. He also delivers a harsh reality check: the average law firm has an NPS of 25, meaning clients view lawyers with the same enthusiasm as airlines and wireless carriers.Next, Jared sits down with Jay Harrington, a Partner at Latitude Legal. Jay shares his incredible career journey, from starting as a corporate bankruptcy lawyer at Skadden right after 9/11 , to opening a small firm during the 2009 GM and Chrysler bankruptcies , and running a legal marketing and consulting agency for over a decade.In this interview, we discuss:Flexible Legal Talent: Why law firms and corporate legal teams are turning to contract and project-based lawyers to build "elastic capacity" without fixed headcount risks.The Modern Attorney: How top-tier lawyers are using the "gig economy" to transition between career phases, work remotely, or gain better work-life balance.Onboarding Success: The key steps law firms must take to effectively onboard contract attorneys, from setting guaranteed hours to having meaningful work ready on day one.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program segment: "Jay and the Harring-Tones". Jared tests Jay's music knowledge by asking him to complete the next line of famous songs from artists like Dr. Dre, The Proclaimers, Cyndi Lauper, and Vanilla Ice.Learn more about Jay Harrington and Latitude Legal.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.And check out this episode's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Understanding NPS (Net Promoter Score)
(01:36) - The NPS Scale: Promoters, Passives, and Detractors
(03:43) - The Truth About the Average Law Firm NPS
(07:01) - Interview Start: Jay Harrington (Latitude Legal)
(10:07) - Starting at Big Law (Skadden) During 9/11
(12:59) - Opening a Small Firm During the 2009 Financial Crisis
(16:18) - Running a Legal Consulting & Marketing Agency
(18:09) - Joining Latitude Legal & The Rise of Flexible Legal Talent
(24:19) - Why Top-Tier Lawyers Are Turning to Contract Work
(29:49) - How Law Firms Should Onboard "Gig" Attorneys
(37:17) - Counter Program: "Jay and the Herring Tones" Lyric Game
(39:38) - Dr. Dre Trivia
(41:41) - The Proclaimers Trivia
(45:15) - Cyndi Lauper Trivia
(47:48) - Vanilla Ice Trivia
(50:28) - Conclusion & Outro
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Jared Correia takes us on a musical journey before subjecting a legal tech CEO to the unforgiving "Wheel of Justice."First, in the monologue, Jared adds another entry to the "Perfect Album" series: Paul McCartney's Ram (1971). Jared explains why the post-Beatles breakup era was McCartney's absolute prime, why Ram is essentially McCartney's "Taylor Swift album" (full of diss tracks aimed at John Lennon), and why you need to listen to the bizarre genius of "Percy Thrillington."Then, we flip the script. Instead of a traditional interview, Jared brings on Matt Spiegel, CEO and founder of Lawmatics, for a full-length round of the Wheel of Justice. Jared spins the wheel, and Matt answers whatever random questions come up.In this chaotic and insightful interview, we discuss:Legal Tech Adopters: Why "arrogance-driven fear" is the biggest hurdle keeping lawyers from adopting new technology.The AI Bubble: Matt's take on why many current AI products are just "glorified ChatGPT wrappers," and why the real future of legal tech is in "agentic platforms."Law Firm Marketing: The single biggest mistake lawyers make when spending money, and the two KPIs you must track (Cost Per Lead & Cost Per Customer).Random Chaos: Matt's apocalypse survival plan (it involves stealing a $200 million LA mansion), the sentimental value of the original Game Boy, and the "Death Row Last Meal" question featuring a very specific fast-food French fry.Tune in for 10 rounds of the Wheel of Justice with one of legal tech's brightest minds!Learn more about Matt Spiegel and Lawmatics here.Subscribe to our YouTube channel.And check out this episode's Spotify playlist.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: The Perfect Album Segment Returns
(02:10) - Why Paul McCartney is the Best Solo Beatle
(06:54) - McCartney's Prime: 1967 to 1971 (Sgt. Pepper to Ram)
(12:38) - The Genius of Ram: A Track-by-Track Breakdown
(14:28) - Diss Tracks: "Too Many People" & The Feud with John Lennon
(23:02) - The Weirdness of Percy Thrills Thrillington
(25:25) - Interview Start: Matt Spiegel & The Wheel of Justice
(27:39) - Spin 1 (Play 60): The Super Bowl & Hating the Patriots
(31:01) - Spin 2 (Luddite Vibes): Why Lawyers Fear Technology
(34:16) - Spin 3 (The Last of Us): Matt's Apocalypse Survival Plan (The Iron Man Lair)
(38:39) - Spin 4 (Sentimental Value): Game Boys & Sony Discmen
(42:07) - Spin 5 (Road Trip): The Craziest Legal Tech Conference Story (Chicago 2011)
(46:45) - Spin 6 (Golf): Handicaps, The Farms, & Austin Country Club
(49:33) - Spin 7 (Captain KPI): The Only Marketing Metrics That Matter
(52:45) - Spin 8 (Eddington): The AI Bubble & "Agentic" Software
(56:29) - Spin 9 (Drive-In): The Death Row Last Meal & McDonald's Fries
(59:19) - Spin 10 (Uptick): The Best Tip for Growing a Law Firm
(01:01:23) - Conclusion & Outro
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Jared looks ahead to the future of AI and interviews a legal tech veteran turned law firm owner.First, in the monologue, Jared breaks down the three AI terms every lawyer needs to know going into 2026: Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), Small Language Models, and Agentic AI. He explains why these technologies are critical for automating workflows and keeping your firm competitive.Then, we are joined by Joyce Brafford, owner of the Joyce Brafford Law Firm. Joyce shares her journey from HR and legal tech sales to launching her own estate planning practice. She reveals how she used ChatGPT to build her entire business plan, from revenue projections to SOPs.In this interview, we discuss:The Sales Advantage: How a background in cold calling and trade shows gave Joyce a leg up in acquiring clients.The Tech Stack: Why Joyce chose WealthCounsel and CosmoLex to run a high-capacity solo practice.AI as "Manifestation Software": Why Joyce doesn't see AI as a competitor, but as a cheerleader that validates ideas (even the dumb ones).Pricing Strategy: Setting rates based on personal financial needs rather than market comparison.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "Cryptid Corner." Jared and Joyce explore the world of crypto-tourism. They rate destinations like the Loch Ness Center, the Mothman Museum in West Virginia, and the Roswell UFO Museum. Is Bigfoot an interdimensional being? Tune in to find out.Learn more about Joyce.Subscribe to our show on YouTube.Check out this episode's Spotify Playlist HERE!We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: 3 AI Terms for 2026
(01:55) - Answer Engine Optimization (AEO)
(02:50) - Small Language Models & Notebook LM
(03:56) - Agentic AI: The Future of Automation
(07:08) - Interview Start: Joyce Brafford
(08:50) - From HR to Bar Association to Legal Tech Sales
(14:30) - Why Start an Estate Planning Firm? (Horses & Control)
(16:39) - How Sales Experience Helps Lawyers Close Clients
(19:52) - The Solo Life: Shared Office Space vs. Virtual
(24:24) - Using ChatGPT to Write a Business Plan & SOPs
(26:21) - The Tech Stack: WealthCounsel & CosmoLex
(29:44) - Setting Rates & "Manifestation Software"
(35:51) - Counter Program: Cryptid Corner & Crypto-Tourism
(39:52) - Loch Ness Monster: A Hard Pass
(41:44) - International Cryptozoology Museum (Maine) & Interdimensional Bigfoot
(43:19) - The Mothman Museum & Bridge Collapse Lore
(45:49) - Roswell UFO Museum & The Fish Truck
(48:10) - Tennessee Cryptid Campout: Sound Alchemy
(50:26) - Conclusion & Outro
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Today, Jared Correia tackles the nightmare of the overflowing inbox and interviews one of the most dynamic managing partners in the legal industry.First, in the monologue, Jared breaks down strategies for Email Management. He discusses the "Getting Things Done" (GTD) method, the difference between subfolders and relational databases, and why sharing inbox passwords is a security nightmare. He also recommends tools like Superhuman, Fixer, and Zendesk to help attorneys reach the elusive Inbox Zero.Then, we are joined by An Ruda, CEO and Co-Managing Partner of Bartko Pavia LLP. A shares her unconventional path to the law, which began after a failed interview at a radio station where she didn't know how to use Microsoft. She discusses her "free-range" mentorship under Clyde Hutchinson—which included climbing into a train engine—and her 20-year partnership with her current mentor.In this interview, we discuss:"Special Friends" vs. "Homies": An’s unique hierarchy of workplace relationships and why you can't assign a mentor.Radical Transparency: Why Bartko Pavia sends every employee a "total compensation statement" to show exactly what it costs to run the firm.The DEI "Third Rail": An explains why she refuses to put DEI on her website, why she believes most big law initiatives are performative, and how she empowers associates to sign and argue their own motions.The "Human Premium": Why AI makes human judgment a luxury product and how the firm is implementing tools like Billables AI and ConnectAI.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "JD or OG." Jared tests An's knowledge of the streets vs. the courts. Can she tell the difference between a quote from a famous lawyer and a lyric from a rapper?. Plus, hear the story of how A landed a client by rapping in a fur vest.Learn more about An Ruda at Bartko Pavia LLC.Subscribe to our show on YouTube.Check out this week's Spotify playlist here.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Escaping Email Hell
(01:38) - Inbox Organization: Subfolders vs. Relational Databases
(03:06) - The GTD Method & AI Email Tools (Superhuman, Fixer)
(06:10) - Interview Start: An Ruda (Bartko Pavia LLP)
(07:41) - Origin Story: The Failed Radio Station Interview
(12:05) - Mentorship: Clyde Hutchinson & Climbing Train Engines
(15:36) - A 20-Year Mentorship & The "Bridgerton" Courtship
(18:48) - An's Theory: Special Friends, Homies, and Mentors
(23:27) - Measuring Productivity & Total Compensation Transparency
(27:13) - The DEI Discussion: Why "Performative" Initiatives Fail
(32:36) - Empowering Women & Associates to Sign Motions
(37:01) - AI Strategy: Humans are the "Premium Product"
(40:00) - Implementing Legal Tech: Billables AI & ConnectAI
(41:47) - Counter Program: "JD or OG" (Lawyer vs. Rapper Quiz)
(50:36) - Conclusion & Outro
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Jared Correia welcomes a true legal tech legend for a record-breaking three-segment appearance.First, Jared and Larry Port (founder of Rocket Matter) crack open a new entry in the "Perfect Album" series: Tom Petty's Full Moon Fever (1989). They debate the merits of the album's solo status, the genius of Jeff Lynne's production, and whether "Free Fallin'" is actually a good song or just California propaganda.Then, in the main interview, Larry discusses life after his successful exit from Rocket Matter. He reveals his new venture, WaySpark, a career coaching platform designed to help young people navigate a volatile labor market shaped by AI, the "silver wave" of retirements, and the decline of white-collar hiring. Larry explains why interpersonal skills are the new currency and why he advocates for the "Family Dinner Test" when choosing a career path.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "Hard Work." Jared tests Larry's career coaching expertise with a quiz on bizarre historical and futuristic jobs. Is a "Quantum Janitor" a real thing? What about a Victorian "Pure Finder" who collects dog feces? Tune in to find out!Check out Larry's podcast Dream Job Cafe.Subscribe to our show on YouTube.Check out this week's Spotify playlist here.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & The "Perfect Album" Segment
(02:06) - Is Billy Joel's The Stranger His Best Album?
(05:58) - Tom Petty's Full Moon Fever: A Solo Masterpiece?
(08:28) - "Free Fallin'" and California Envy
(14:30) - The "Attention CD Listeners" Easter Egg
(19:20) - Larry's Perfect Album: Smashing Pumpkins & U2
(24:16) - Interview Start: Larry Port (WaySpark)
(26:07) - The Emotional Reality of Exiting Rocket Matter
(28:37) - The Art of Napping: Strategies for Post-Exit Recovery
(32:13) - Volunteering: Big Brothers Big Sisters & Platelet Donation
(36:21) - Pickleball Strategy: The 6'3" Advantage
(40:03) - Introducing WaySpark: Career Coaching for the AI Era
(44:04) - The "Silver Wave" & The Shortage of Skilled Labor
(47:04) - The Internship Panic & College Admissions Stress
(53:14) - Why Soft Skills & Relationships Are Future-Proof
(58:37) - The "Dream Job Cafe" Podcast & The Family Dinner Test
(01:04:53) - Counter Program: "Hard Work" (Real vs. Fake Jobs)
(01:05:24) - Chronological Architect & Quantum Janitor
(01:08:20) - Dog Food Taster: Would You Eat It?
(01:10:23) - Resurrectionist (Body Snatcher)
(01:11:53) - Pure Finder: The Victorian Dog Poop Collector
(01:13:54) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia takes us back to the turn of the century for a wild travelogue before diving into the future of law firm profitability with Nancy Jeng.First, Jared opens the vault for "Travels with Jared: Chapter 514." He recounts a debaucherous trip to Montreal in July 2001 to see the Red Sox play the Expos. The story features a missing toothbrush, a "McPoule" incident at 3:00 AM, and the legendary at-bat of Rich "El Guapo" Garces at Olympic Stadium. Then, we are joined by Nancy Jeng, co-founder of Billables AI. Nancy shares her journey from the advertising industry—where she suffered through the same timekeeping pains as lawyers—to launching a legal tech startup. She explains how Billables AI uses advanced machine learning to not just track time, but to automatically generate narrative entries, assign billing codes, and capture work across multiple devices. In this interview, we discuss:The "Spotify Wrapped" of Work: How wide adoption of timekeeping AI gives firms data on exactly how they spend their time (meetings vs. email vs. deep work). Recovering Lost Revenue: How automated tools help lawyers capture 10-30% more billable time that usually slips through the cracks. Training the AI: Understanding how the system learns from "explicit" signals (billing guidelines) and "implicit" signals (your editing habits). Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "Woman vs. Food." Jared tests Nancy (a cookbook author!) on her knowledge of bizarre world cuisine. Is "Glacier Charred Moss" a real dish from Iceland? What about "Tarantula Tempura"? Tune in to find out. Learn more about Billables.ai.Subscribe to our show on YouTube.Check out this week's Spotify playlist here.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Travels with Jared in Search of Canada
(02:02) - Red Sox vs. Expos: The 2001 Interleague Series
(02:55) - The Toothbrush Incident & The Hotel Housekeeper
(04:29) - Meeting Mike Lansing & Joe Kerrigan at the Bar
(06:13) - The "McPoule" (McChicken) & The American Tourist
(07:54) - The Legend of Rich "El Guapo" Garces
(12:21) - Interview Start: Nancy Jeng (Billables AI)
(13:14) - UT Austin Nostalgia: Vince Young & Kevin Durant
(17:04) - PTSD from Advertising Time Sheets
(19:15) - Why Timekeeping is Harder for Lawyers
(21:54) - How Billables AI Works (Generative Narratives)
(25:02) - Training the AI: Implicit vs. Explicit Signals
(28:20) - The "Spotify Wrapped" of Law Firm Data
(31:51) - Future Features: Pre-Bills & Profitability Analytics
(34:08) - Integrations: Microsoft 365, Clio, & More
(36:52) - Nancy's Cookbook: A Very Asian Guide to Taiwanese Food
(40:52) - Counter Program: "Woman vs. Food"
(41:59) - Peru: Cuy Chactado (Fried Guinea Pig)
(43:30) - Mexico: Huitlacoche (Corn Smut)
(44:26) - Japan: Shiokara (Fermented Viscera)
(46:24) - Iceland: Glacier Charred Moss?
(47:29) - Cambodia: Tarantula Tempura
(48:38) - Persian Gulf: Saffron Steamed Silkworm?
(50:15) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia provides a strategic roadmap for small law firm growth and explores the bold journey of launching a new personal injury brand.First, Jared shares his "Growth Roadmap" for small law firms. He breaks down the five key pillars of scaling a practice: choosing the right technology, implementing process management, developing a hiring protocol, analyzing granular profitability, and diversifying your marketing beyond referrals.Then, we are joined by Rob Hartigan, founder of LionHart Injury Law. Rob shares his "origin story" of moving from Boston to Atlanta to support his wife's dream job and launching his own firm in a new market. He discusses the risks of leaving a partnership, the strategy behind creating a unique brand name instead of "Hartigan & Associates," and how he secured a $6 million settlement within his first 18 months. Rob also reveals his secrets for "intentional networking" and why he believes most lawyers are "bad at marketing" on social media.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "The Wheel of Justice." Jared spins the wheel to ask Rob random questions—from his preference for Westlaw's AI features to the "craziest referral" he's ever received (involving a car vs. a tree). Plus, find out why Rob thinks cats are superior to dogs and hear his near-miss encounter with Robert Kraft.Learn more about Lionhart Injury Law.And be sure to subscribe on YouTube.Find our Spotify playlist for this episode here.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Growth Roadmap for Small Law Firms
(02:12) - Selecting the Right Legal Technology & AI
(03:43) - Process Management: Workflows & KPIs
(05:27) - Staffing: Hiring Protocols & Retention Strategies
(06:58) - Financial Management: Granular Profit Analysis
(07:50) - Marketing: Moving Beyond Referrals
(10:40) - Introducing Guest: Rob Hartigan (LionHeart Injury Law)
(11:32) - The Origin Story: Moving to Atlanta & Launching Solo
(14:14) - Financial Runway: How to Budget for a PI Firm Launch
(16:49) - Branding Strategy: Why "LionHeart" Instead of "Hartigan & Associates"?
(19:41) - The "Trailer" Launch Video & Social Media Strategy
(22:08) - Intentional Networking: Building a Referral Engine
(26:26) - Expanding Marketing: SEO, Websites, and Avoiding "Bad Marketing"
(30:07) - "Lawyers in the Wild": Launching a Video Podcast
(36:23) - Choosing a Tech Stack: Filevine, LeadDocket, & Arctrieval
(40:11) - Counter Program: "The Wheel of Justice"
(43:00) - Eating a Peach: Why Atlanta Beats Boston Weather
(45:03) - Westlaw vs. Lexis: Using AI for Legal Research
(46:52) - Cats vs. Dogs: Rob's Controversial Pick
(50:54) - "Mad Money": Rob's $6 Million Settlement Story
(53:09) - "Referral Madness": The Guy Who Sued a Tree
(55:54) - Shredding: The Hardest Songs to Play on Guitar
(01:00:19) - Speed Bump: A Robert Kraft Sighting in Seaport
(01:04:07) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia says goodbye to an '80s-inspired era and says hello to the future of high-precision advertising.First, Jared dives into the massive series finale of Stranger Things 5. He breaks down the Duffer Brothers’ landing of the plane, from Will Byers’ cathartic coming-out moment to the controversial "plot armor" of the main cast. He also previews the new HBO It prequel series, Welcome to Derry, and discusses why Bill Skarsgård’s Pennywise is the definitive version of the character.Then, we are joined by Rob Simpson, CEO and Founder of Waverider Communications. Rob shares his systematic "One Cup of Coffee" approach to networking that has sustained his business for 14 years. He also provides a deep dive into Streaming Advertising (Microcasting)—explaining how law firms can now target specific demographics and zip codes on platforms like Hulu and Paramount+ for a fraction of the cost of traditional broadcast TV.Finally, stay tuned for the Counter Program: "Holidays on Holiday." Jared tests Rob’s bullshit detector with a list of real and fake winter holidays. Does National Emo Day actually exist? Is there a festival for the souls of dead whales? Find out!Learn more about Waverider Communications.Check out this week's Spotify playlist.And be sure to subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro: Stranger Things & "It" Prequels
(01:05) - Stranger Things 5: Spoilers & Season Breakdown
(04:51) - Character Development: Why Vecna and Will Byers Matter
(10:42) - The Finale: Lore vs. Characters
(13:51) - Welcome to Derry: Stephen King’s New Prequel Series
(16:02) - Pennywise is Back: Bill Skarsgård’s Performance
(18:13) - Introducing Guest: Rob Simpson (WaveRider Communications)
(19:05) - Sales 101: The "Mashed Potato Ear" Era of Cold Calling
(22:26) - "One Cup of Coffee": A Better Way to Network
(26:16) - Client Genealogy: Analyzing Where Your Business Comes From
(28:47) - Selling Yellow Pages & The Opening Night of the WB
(34:00) - From Corporate Sales to Entrepreneurship: The Avengers Model
(38:10) - Advertising on Streaming: Hulu, Paramount+, and Beyond
(40:23) - Microcasting: Targeting Specific Demographics
(44:09) - Own Your Zip Code: Competing with Morgan & Morgan
(47:54) - Content Production: Making High-Quality Commercials
(51:13) - Counter Program: "Holidays on Holiday"
(52:43) - The Festivus Pole
(53:51) - The Feast of the Long Shadow
(56:19) - The Festival for the Souls of Dead Whales
(57:51) - Zamenhof Day & The Global Esperanto Community
(59:13) - Is National Emo Day Real?
(01:00:57) - International Optimists Day
(01:01:48) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia breaks down the shifting landscape of law firm marketing for 2026 and dives deep into the world of legal education with clinical supervisor Leticia Leal. First, Jared shares his monologue on the rise of AI Search Optimization (AEO). He explains why content marketing and short-form video are more critical than ever as AI begins to infiltrate traditional search engines. He also challenges lawyers to look beyond Google Ads and explore alternative platforms like Reddit, Twitch, and LinkedIn to capture a younger client base. Then, we are joined by Leticia Leal from the University of Houston Law Center. Leticia shares her journey of becoming a lawyer in both Brazil and Texas, explaining the fundamental differences between civil law and common law systems. We discuss the "roach-free" University of Houston immigration clinic, how AI is (and isn't) being used by law students, and the "internet famous" status she achieved through her creative LinkedIn content. Finally, don't miss the Counter Program: "Duo Lingo." Leticia helps Jared (who is Portuguese but can't speak the language) translate famous pop culture phrases into Brazilian Portuguese—from Die Hard one-liners to Seinfeld references. Learn more about Leticia Leal here.Check out this week's Spotify playlist.And be sure to subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Marketing Strategies for 2026
(01:05) - The Infiltration of AI in Search Results
(02:10) - Why Content Marketing is More Critical Than Ever
(03:13) - Short-Form Video: TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube 0
(05:07) - Alternative Ad Platforms: Reddit, Twitch, and Facebook
(08:11) - The Necessity of CRMs for Tracking ROI
(10:07) - Introducing Guest: Leticia Leal (U of H Law Center)
(11:56) - Practicing Law in Brazil vs. the United States
(15:07) - From Personal Trainer to Clinical Supervisor
(20:53) - Balancing Law with Being a Dance Instructor
(23:42) - Going Viral: Leticia’s LinkedIn Strategy
(28:55) - Founding the National Brazilian Bar Association
(32:38) - The Importance of Law School Clinics for Students
(38:49) - AI in the Clinic: Are Students Scared to Use It?
(44:40) - Job Prospects for 3Ls in the Houston Economy
(48:07) - Counter Program: "Duo Lingo" (Portuguese Lessons)
(52:15) - Translating Saturday Night Live & Die Hard
(55:54) - Translating Seinfeld & Boss Baby
(01:00:36) - Translating Forrest Gump
(01:02:56) - How to Ask to Ride a Capybara in Brazil
(01:06:32) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome back to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia explains how to predict your law firm's financial future and explores the cutting edge of AI-driven patent law.First, Jared shares his favorite year-end activity: Revenue Projections. He breaks down exactly how to reverse-engineer your financial goals by analyzing average case values, setting "stretch goals," and using data to spot dangerous trends in your business before they spiral.Then, we are joined by Massyl Mallem, CEO and Co-Founder of PatentPlus AI. Massyl, a chemical engineer turned legal tech founder, explains why "humans are bad at patent searching" and how his autonomous AI system, AutoPat, is winning competitions by invalidating "troll patents" that human experts couldn't crack. He also introduces the "10-80-10 Rule" of AI automation: humans handle the strategy (first 10%) and the decision-making (last 10%), while AI does the heavy lifting in the middle.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "Con Man." Jared tests Massyl's local knowledge of the "shittiest of the New England states"—Connecticut. From "package stores" to the Hartford Whalers, find out if Massyl is a true nutmegger or just a poser.Learn more about Massyl Mallem on LinkedIn.Learn more about PatentPlusAI.Enjoy this week's Spotify playlist here!Subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: How to Make More Money
(01:05) - Why You Need Revenue Projections (Stop Guessing!)
(02:58) - The "Reverse Engineering" Method for Law Firm Goals
(06:27) - Handling Contingency Fee Projections & Settlement Values
(10:50) - Introducing Guest: Massyl Mallem (PatentPlus AI)
(12:22) - Why Startups Are for Learning, Not Getting Rich
(13:46) - From Chemical Engineering to Intellectual Property
(19:47) - Winning "Patent Troll" Bounties with Unified Patents
(21:46) - The Third Option: Autonomous AI Patent Searching
(25:28) - The "10-80-10 Rule": How AI & Humans Work Together
(28:55) - Can AI Hallucinate in Patent Search? (The "Incapable" Argument)
(30:57) - The USPTO Backlog & "Vibe" Patent Applications
(36:06) - Will There Be AI Lawyers in the Future
(37:35) - Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu & Chess: The Lawyer's Sports
(39:27) - Counter Program: "Con Man" (Connecticut Trivia)
(41:30) - "Grinders" vs. Subs: The Sandwich Debate
(42:52) - What is a "Package Store"?
(43:52) - I-95 vs. The Merritt Parkway
(45:38) - The Hartford Whalers & "Brass Bonanza"
(48:56) - Where Did the Gilmore Girls Live?
(50:32) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome back to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia dives into the dark side of holiday cinema, explores the intersection of law and theater, and gets schooled on Broadway musicals.First, Jared presents his list of Weird Christmas Movie Characters, from Mr. Hankey the Christmas Poo (South Park) and the Heat Miser (The Year Without a Santa Claus) to the deeply disturbing Flasher Gremlin and the "penis cancer in human form" insult from The Holdovers.Then, we are joined by the father-daughter duo Keith Shannon (Paralegal Instructor at Central Piedmont Community College) and Kara Shannon (NYC Actor). They discuss their own podcast, Fourth Row Center, and the unique challenges of their respective industries. Keith explains why paralegals might actually have more job security than lawyers in the age of AI, while Kara reveals why the acting community is fiercely anti-AI.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program where the Shannons take over! They grill Jared with Broadway Trivia, forcing him to guess which musicals are real (is Bat Boy: The Musical a thing?) and even tricking him into singing a show tune.Connect with Keith Shannon on LinkedIn.Learn more about Kara Shannon on Backstage.And subscribe to their podcast here.Take a very brief tour of Jared's favorite show tunes in this week's playlist!Subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Weird Christmas Characters
(01:05) - The Underrated Thad Stone (The Family Stone)
(03:02) - Mr. Hankey the Christmas Poo (South Park)
(04:15) - The Darkest Christmas Special (Black Mirror: White Christmas)
(06:40) - The Flasher Gremlin (Gremlins)
(08:29) - Klaus: The Best Animated Christmas Movie?
(10:15) - Queer Icons: Heat Miser & Snow Miser
(12:09) - In Defense of Home Alone 3
(13:02) - The Holdovers & Paul Giamatti's Best Insult
(16:36) - Introducing Guests: Keith & Kara Shannon
(18:12) - The Fourth Row Center Podcast
(21:20) - Keith's Vaudeville Past (Jim Varney & Welcome Back Kotter)
(28:35) - From Lawyer to Paralegal Instructor
(32:15) - Why Paralegals Are Embracing AI (And Lawyers Aren't)
(35:33) - Why Actors Hate AI: The "AI Actor" Controversy
(37:53) - How Lawyers Should Work with Paralegals (Don't Be a Dick)
(44:01) - Legal Ethics Lesson: Into the Woods & Moral Relativity
(49:20) - Counter Program: The Shannons Take Over
(50:36) - Jared Sings! (A Musical Inside His Brain)
(53:01) - Broadway Trivia: What Qualifies as a "Broadway" Theater?
(55:10) - The Actors' Equity Association
(56:05) - The Book of Mormon vs. Titanique
(59:03) - Patti LuPone's Famous Audience Meltdown
(01:03:16) - Pop Stars Writing Musicals (Cyndi Lauper vs. Dolly Parton)
(01:04:27) - Real or Fake Musical Plots? (Bat Boy vs. UFOs)
(01:07:22) - Jared Finally Sings "There's No Business Like Show Business"
(01:08:32) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome back to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia explores the dark storytelling of 1970s folk music, the cutting edge of AI legal research, and the ultimate battle of the "Steves."First, Jared debuts a new segment: Artist Profiles. He dives deep into the discography of Harry Chapin, the "Geoffrey Chaucer of 70s pop." Jared analyzes Chapin's "story songs" like Cat's in the Cradle and Taxi, and makes a case for why the 12-minute epic Sniper (about the 1966 UT Austin shooting) is his masterpiece.Then, we are joined by Steve Tover, CEO of LexSphere and AnyLaw. Steve breaks down the massive consolidation in the legal research market (Fastcase, vLex, Clio) and what it means for small firms. He discusses the rise of AI-enabled legal research, why current AI is the "worst we will ever see," and how new hallucination checkers are essential for lawyers. He also answers the burning question: Is AI a bubble?Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "Too Many Steves." Jared forces Steve to choose between famous pairs of Steves, from Steve Jobs vs. Wozniak to Steve Martin vs. Stevie Nicks.Learn more about Steve Tover at Lexsphere.com.Get ready to cry into your with our latest Spotify Playlist!Subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & New Segment: Artist Profiles
(00:20) - Chapter 2
(01:04) - Harry Chapin: The "Lost" Legend of the 1970s
(03:03) - Chapin's "Story Songs": Cat's in the Cradle & Taxi
(07:07) - The Deep Cuts: WOLD, Sniper, and 30,000 Pounds of Bananas
(13:50) - The Real Story Behind Sniper (Charles Whitman)
(17:59) - Introducing Guest: Steve Tover (LexSphere & AnyLaw)
(19:17) - What is LexSphere? (Data for AI Companies)
(21:45) - Market Consolidation: vLex, Fastcase, and Clio
(23:17) - AI Summaries, Holdings, and the "AI Shepardizer"
(28:21) - Will AI Replace Associates? (The Hallucination Problem)
(37:00) - The "Hallucination Checker": Validating AI Citations
(39:39) - Will Consumers Use AI Instead of Lawyers?
(42:06) - Is AI a Tech Bubble? (Valuations vs. Utility)
(44:30) - Advice for Law Students: "Be the Early Adopter"
(47:16) - Counter Program: "Too Many Steves"
(49:21) - Steve Jobs vs. Steve Wozniak
(49:47) - Steve Martin vs. Stevie Nicks
(51:23) - Steve Irwin vs. Steve McQueen
(52:32) - Steve Nash vs. Stevie Wonder
(54:15) - Steve Carell vs. Steve Aoki
(56:06) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia tackles the necessary evil of meetings, the rise of the "social media legal influencer," and the burning questions everyone wants to know about their lawyer.First, Jared shares his monologue on law firm meetings. He argues that while everyone hates them, they are essential for managing teams. He breaks down the only three meetings your firm needs: the Daily Standup, the Case Review(modernized with software!), and the Metrics Meeting.Then, we are joined by Haitham Amin, Principal Attorney at Amin Law in San Francisco. Haitham shares his journey from a public defender representing unlicensed painters to building a thriving private practice in Family Law and Personal Injury. He discusses how he hired his first associate (profitably!), his aggressive use of AI to streamline tasks and remove emotion from communications, and his side hustle as a content creator who writes, directs, and produces his own viral legal skits.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "People Also Also Ask." Jared quizzes Haitham on the weirdest Google search queries associated with his name and the legal profession, including the existence of the "Magic 5 Lawyers" and whether Kim Kardashian is actually an attorney.Learn more about Haitham Amin at Amin Law and check out his Youtube for some of his videos.Tune in to our latest Spotify Playlist!Subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: The Meeting About Meetings
(01:51) - The Daily Standup: 6 Minutes to Remove Bottlenecks
(02:38) - The Case Review Meeting: Don't Look at Every Case!
(03:27) - The Metrics Meeting: Aligning Firm & Personal Goals
(06:54) - Introducing Guest: Haitham Amin (Amin Law)
(08:32) - From Public Defender to Private Practice (Solano vs. Marin)
(10:58) - Translating for Family at the Immigration Lawyer's Office
(13:56) - The "Legal" Encounter with ICE (Why Haitham Avoided Immigration Law)
(18:19) - Hiring the First Associate: Moving from "Vibes" to Profit
(21:00) - Using AI to Remove Emotion from Angry Emails
(26:07) - What is a "Social Media Legal Influencer"?
(30:16) - The "Macy's Fraud" Skit: A True Story from the 80s
(37:21) - Defining Success on Social Media (It's Not Just Views)
(39:42) - Counter Program Intro: "People Also Ask"
(41:34) - Do Lawyers Make $500,000 a Year? (The $10 Croissant)
(43:35) - Who is the Greatest Lawyer of All Time? (Johnny Cochran vs. Lincoln)
(45:52) - Who are the "Magic 5 Lawyers"? (Superhero Movie Pitch)
(47:27) - Is Kim Kardashian a Lawyer? (The Baby Bar Explained)
(51:04) - Is "Lawyer" a Stressful Job? (Soccer & Yoga)
(55:37) - Conclusion & Outro
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Welcome back to Legal Late Night! In this episode, host Jared Correia covers everything from the cutting edge of AI to the absurdity of internet shopping.First, Jared dives into his monologue on the new wave of AI-enabled web browsers like ChatGPT's Atlas and Perplexity. He explores the massive potential for creating agents across your web-based work, but also warns lawyers about the serious data security risks of exposing client info in an "AI-enabled environment."Then, we are joined by Ruby Powers, founder of Powers Law Group and Powers Strategy Group. Ruby shares her incredible journey from starting a firm during the Great Recession to owning her own office building (which she calls her "Orchard"). She discusses the chaotic state of immigration law, her new focus on habeas corpus cases, and her strategies for law practice management, including her new book and the "Power Up Your Practice" podcast. She also gives a candid take on why law students and attorneys are still hesitant to adopt AI tools in their daily work.Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: "Just How Broke Am I?" Jared and Ruby play a game where they guess the prices of the internet's weirdest products, from a toothpick crossbow and a two-person mozzarella costume to a real-life diesel-powered battle robot.Learn more about Ruby Powers at Powers Law Group and Powers Strategy Group.Tune in to our latest Spotify Playlist!Subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: The Rise of AI-Enabled Web Browsers
(02:08) - The "Nesting Doll" of AI Agents in Your Browser
(03:10) - The Data Security Risk: Exposing Client Info to AI
(05:55) - Introducing Guest: Ruby Powers (Powers Law Group)
(08:13) - The "Law Firm Orchard": Owning Your Own Office Building
(09:40) - Ruby's Swag Game: Hand Sanitizers & Huge Books
(12:07) - Conference Strategy: How to Choose Where to Go
(15:11) - The Chaos of Modern Immigration Law (Habeas & Mandamus)
(17:32) - "Living Off Caffeine and Hope": The Reality of Immigration Practice
(20:34) - Why Ruby Started Powers Strategy Group (Books, Podcasts & Retreats)
(23:40) - Why Jared Hates Retreats (But Ruby Loves Them)
(26:37) - Are Law Students & Lawyers Actually Using AI?
(31:16) - Counter Program Intro: "Just How Broke Am I?"
(46:18) - Conclusion & Outro
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In this episode, we're going international (sort of) with a double feature from the Great White North.First, Jared delivers a fiery monologue on DC Bar Ethics Opinion 391. He breaks down why the Bar is finally cracking down on lawyers making deals with the government that limit their practice. Jared connects the dots to "Trump's dirty deals" and explains why attorneys need to stand up for the rule of law against fascism.Then, we are joined by Stuart Rudner, managing partner of Rudner Law, and Mark Robins, CEO of Lawyer Locate. They discuss:Why Canada is not the "51st State" when it comes to employment law.Mark's past life as a Private Investigator riding around doing surveillance at age 10.The origin story of Stuart's podcast, Fire Away (and why his daughter gets credit for his book title).Why lawyers need to stop obsessing over perfection and "just do it" when it comes to content.Mark's heated rant on why trying to measure exact ROI for legal social media is often a "scam".Finally, stick around for the Counter Program: Match Game Canada Edition. Jared quizzes Stuart and Mark on famous Canadians—from Bret "The Hitman" Hart to William Shatner—and their favorite NHL teams.Learn more about Stuart Rudner on his website or catch his podcast on YouTubeAnd connect with Mark Robins through LawyerLocate.ca or LegalTube.ca and his podcast.Tune in to our latest Spotify Playlist!Subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: DC Bar Ethics Opinion 391
(03:04) - The "Dirty Deals": Conflicts of Interest & Government Lawyers
(05:02) - Jared’s Take: Fascism, Democracy, and the Rule of Law
(10:33) - Introducing the Canadians: Stuart Rudner & Mark Robins
(13:56) - World Series Talk: Blue Jays vs. Dodgers (Mark is Salty)
(17:20) - Stuart Rudner: Employment Law & L.A. Law Inspirations
(21:02) - Mark Robins: Growing Up as a Private Investigator
(24:16) - The Fire Away Podcast Origin Story
(31:47) - Why Video is Essential for Podcasting (YouTube Stats)
(36:45) - The "One Minute Tip" Strategy for Lawyers
(40:48) - Mark’s Rant: Why Social Media ROI is a "Scam"
(43:14) - Counter Program: Match Game Canada (Hockey Trivia)
(47:16) - Bret "The Hitman" Hart & The Calgary Flames
(50:47) - William Shatner & The Montreal Canadiens
(55:23) - The Ottawa Senators & The "Melnick Curse"
(58:38) - Conclusion & Outro
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First, Jared shares his monologue on Taylor Swift's 12th studio album, The Life of a Showgirl. He breaks down why he's a "True Swifty," critiques the Jack Antonoff production, and presents his complete Top 12 Track Ranking—from his least favorite song about the Blake Lively drama to his #1 pick, the title track.Then, Daleele Alison, CEO of Rooks DM, joins the show. Daleele explains his company's goal ("to go far") and how they help law firms tackle pain points like onboarding and data collection by implementing AI and automation. He stresses his "process first, technology second" philosophy and gives a rundown of the Microsoft Power Platform tools (Power BI, Power Automate) that firms underutilize.Finally, Michelle Falanga, an Emmy-winning voiceover actress, shares her unique career path, which involved 23 years of improv and murder mystery shows. Michelle discusses her favorite niche projects (like narrating Drum Corps world championships), her thoughts on AI voice cloning, and the emotional "gut punch" of having clients replace her with AI.Learn more about Daleele and RooksDM.And follow Michelle's career on her website.Tune in to our latest Spotify Playlist!Subscribe on YouTube.We're grateful to be supported by CallRail, Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer.Learn more about CallRail.Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer.(00:00) - Intro & Monologue: Jared, The True Swifty
(02:01) - Taylor Swift's Discography: Folklore to Reputation
(18:52) - Introducing Guest: Daleele Alison, CEO of Rooks DM
(19:32) - What Does "Rooks DM" Mean?
(21:03) - Rooks DM's Service: AI & Automation for Law Firm Efficiency
(23:24) - Advisory Services: Current State, Future State, and Virtual Work
(24:55) - Philosophy: "Process First, Technology Second"
(26:52) - Underutilized Microsoft Tools
(28:53) - Deep Dive: The Microsoft Power Platform (Power BI, Automate, Apps)
(30:15) - Copilot Use Cases: Work Data vs. Web Data
(32:11) - Custom AI Agents for SOPs and New Hires
(35:42) - Why Attorneys "Keep F***ing Up Their Technology"
(36:22) - How to Find a Good Legal Tech Consultant
(38:02) - Introducing Guest: Michelle Falanga, Emmy-Winning Voiceover Actress
(39:38) - Michelle's Connection to Daleele Alison
(40:19) - Michelle Shows Off Her Emmy
(42:48) - The Path to Voiceover: Improv and Murder Mysteries
(44:29) - Getting Voiceover Parts (Pay-to-Play Sites and Direct Marketing)
(46:04) - Favorite Projects: Narrating Drum Corps Monologues
(49:35) - The AI Problem: Voice Cloning and Emotional Delivery
(52:59) - Michelle's Other Work: Children's Book Author
(54:11) - Michelle's Podcast: Real Talk Tuesdays
(56:38) - Conclusion & Outro
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