The Atomic Construction Podcast

In this brutally honest solo episode of Atomic Construction, host Kevin Hohe drops the guest list and opens up about one of the worst projects he’s ever run — and what it taught him about leadership, failure, and how to handle chaos when everything goes wrong.From lost anchors to angry emails, Kevin walks listeners through the anatomy of a “bad job,” sharing what it’s like to be the small contractor caught in the crossfire of miscommunication, poor planning, and blame. But more than a story about mistakes, this is a conversation about accountability, about how to lead with humility, how to reset a broken relationship, and how to tell the difference between a good project manager and a bad one.Because at the end of the day, as Kevin says, every construction project comes down to people, and there are only two kinds: Randy, the collaborative leader who takes ownership and helps everyone win, and Billy Bob, the finger-pointer who makes sure everyone else takes the fall.In this episode• What to do when a project goes completely sideways• How to repair trust with clients and GCs after failure• Why collaboration beats litigation every time• The hidden power of taking total ownership• How to spot whether you’re working for a “Randy” or a “Billy Bob”• Why the best jobs are often the ones you don’t takeA candid, hard-earned masterclass in leadership from the field, packed with real stories, painful lessons, and the kind of truth most builders are too proud to admit.Stay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this solo episode of Atomic Construction, host Kevin Hohe takes the mic to talk about one of the toughest and most overlooked parts of the construction industry: people and culture. With no guest lined up, Kevin uses the time to reflect on the mission behind Atomic Construction, the growing skills gap, and how the trades can reclaim pride, purpose, and profitability.Drawing on two decades in the industry and lessons from growing Complete Fence from a five million to a hundred million dollar business, Kevin breaks down what makes great teams thrive and why culture is not a buzzword but a daily practice. From defining company values to firing high performers who do not align with them, he explores how to build a workplace that attracts, inspires, and retains the best talent in the trades.In this episode• Why the construction industry is facing a major skills gap• How to build purpose into blue collar work• The difference between values written on a wall and values lived every day• Why culture should be your company’s strongest foundation• Lessons from growing a business and failing forward• How to create opportunity for people willing to work and grow• Why authenticity, grit, and shared purpose define great teamsKevin closes with a challenge to every tradesperson and business owner: invest in culture, live your values, and build better together.Stay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin Hohe sits down with Dan Wheeler, founder of River City Fence and host of The Fence Industry Podcast, to talk about grit, growth, and the lessons learned from four decades in the trades. What begins as a conversation between two builders turns into an honest exploration of evolution, from running family businesses to shaping an entire industry through curiosity and community.Dan shares how he turned his father’s small town fence company into a multi crew operation while producing more than 500 podcast episodes and helping others grow along the way. Together, Kevin and Dan unpack what it means to lead by example, the tension between craftsmanship and entrepreneurship, and how the trades can reclaim the respect they deserve.In this episode:• Why being the best builder is not the same as being the best business owner• How curiosity and networking sparked the first fence industry podcast• The power of evolving from hands on work to leadership• Why mentorship and community matter more than competition• What it means to build something that lasts, on site and in lifeStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this laugh-filled episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin Hohe sits down with two of his favorite teammates, Tony and Dale - affectionately known as the goon squad - to talk about the people behind the fences. What starts as a casual chat quickly turns into a story of reinvention, grit and humor inside a growing construction company that refuses to take itself too seriously.From IT desks and mortgage offices to muddy yards and million-dollar builds, Tony and Dale share how they made the leap into construction, why culture matters more than polish and how their light-hearted video series Fence Levity is helping reshape what people think construction looks like. Expect jokes, honesty and plenty of heart.In this episode• How two non-builders became construction professionals• What it takes to change industries and find purpose again• The birth of Fence Levity and how humor drives connection• Why authenticity beats perfection in business and leadership• Building a company culture where people actually like showing upStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kevin and Kyle are back together on Atomic Construction after a few weeks away, and this conversation is a reminder of why they make such a strong team. Kyle shares what life has been like balancing newborn chaos at home with leading multiple high-stakes construction projects, and how he is learning that life moves in seasons. He talks about what it takes to deliver complex builds under pressure, the safety wins his team has celebrated, and why trust is the real foundation of any successful project.Kevin opens up about the cultural challenges of scaling his own company, the lessons in leadership he is living out daily, and the balance between hitting financial goals and building a workplace people love. Together they explore the unconventional realities of building core and shell structures while designing interiors on the fly, the two-in-a-box leadership model at Leighton, and how clarity between project managers and superintendents can make or break a job.Kyle also takes Kevin inside his Notion setup — a project operating system that centralizes roadblocks, risk logs, procurement, and leadership dashboards in one place. He explains why moving beyond spreadsheets gave him a two-hundred percent productivity boost and why a second brain is essential for managing growth and big vision.This episode is a mix of personal updates, practical tools, and honest reflections on leadership, culture, and the future of construction.In this episode• Kyle on newborn life and leading major projects under pressure• How Leighton’s two-in-the-box model keeps PMs and Supers aligned• The importance of trust in unconventional project delivery• Kevin’s story of transforming numbers and now rebuilding culture• Why clarity on risk, roadblocks, and roles matters more than perfect plans• How Kyle uses Notion as a project operating system and second brain• Lessons on productivity, conflict resolution, and leadership in constructionStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kevin Hohe sits down with financial strategist Patrick Shurney to talk about the numbers behind building a thriving construction business. Patrick shares how understanding seven key financial metrics can transform contractors from simply working harder to actually building wealth.Patrick explains why contractors often underperform despite high revenue, and how shifting mindset, tightening bookkeeping, and creating a clear roadmap can help business owners scale sustainably. He emphasizes the importance of knowing your numbers, having a three year plan, and seeking outside perspective to avoid blind spots.The conversation also touches on mentorship, the realities of coaching, and the balance between execution and strategy. Patrick reminds us that success is less about grinding and more about clarity, action, and building systems that last.In this episode• The seven numbers every contractor needs to track• Why most construction businesses leave profit on the table• The role of mindset in breaking through financial ceilings• How good bookkeeping can change the trajectory of a company• The difference between a coach, a bookkeeper, and a fractional CFO• Why action beats perfection when it comes to financial planning• Patrick’s favorite client success stories and what they teach usStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kevin’s first solo Atomic Construction episode lays out a clear mission for the trades: elevate respect for craft, make entry simple and dignified, bridge the skills gap through mentorship, and fight for specialty contractor rights. He previews data driven gear reviews, a trades first merch line, and a practical eight step playbook for scaling a specialty business.Kevin’s eight step starter playbookDecide if you truly want to own a business and whyRead and keep learningFind mentors who have done what you want to doTest with a side hustle before you jump fullyStart with the end in mind and map the destinationChoose your pace, measured or fast, and own the tradeoffsWatch common pitfallsLead flowFirst hires vs subcontractingAccounting, legal, insurance, and real job costing8. Scale with intentMission, purpose, vision that attract talentHire well, set expectations, exit quickly when neededBuild tolerance for mistakesBurn the boats when it is time and keep swingingBooks he recommendsTractionRocket FuelPeople Are Idiots and I Can Prove ItTen Times is Easier Than Two TimesWho Not HowGood to GreatStart With WhyPast Atomic Construction episodes to cue up16 - Scott Kaplan on specialty growth18 - Paul Wendy on unions in Chicago20 - Megan Shapiro on contracts and protecting subs8 and 9 - Dave Destur and Lisa Pacal She Builder series5 - Joel Spalding Ten times easier than two times in real lifeStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin Hohe is joined by Megan Shapiro, construction attorney, partner at Rudoslavich Shapiro, and founder of Construction Contract Coach. Megan takes us through her journey from criminal law to finding her passion in construction law and why she chose to represent the trades when so many lawyers side with GCs, owners, or insurance companies.Megan breaks down the realities of civil litigation, the pitfalls of insurance-appointed counsel, and how the system often stacks the deck against subcontractors. She also shares practical strategies for reviewing and redlining contracts, explains her OWN framework for negotiation, and makes the case for why trade contractors hold more power than they realise at the bargaining table.This is a candid, eye-opening conversation about law, fairness, and what it takes to protect your business in a litigious industry.Key Takeaways:How Megan carved out a career in construction law despite early pushbackWhy she believes most subcontractors underestimate their negotiating powerThe difference between insurance-appointed defense attorneys and true construction attorneysHow to spot red, orange and yellow flags in contracts and use them strategicallyWhy retention is one of the most harmful practices in constructionThe importance of proactive business setup, not just reacting when things go wrongWhy treating trades as true partners is the only way forward for the industryMegan’s story is proof that contracts are not just paperwork, they are tools of leverage, protection and empowerment.Stay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this powerful episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin Hohe welcomes veteran and business owner John La Giglia, co-founder of Chicago Fire Protection. From serving in Iraq and Afghanistan to co-founding a company that now employs nearly 100 people, John’s story is one of grit, perseverance and the power of community.John shares how his military service shaped his leadership, how the Helmets to Hard Hats program helped him transition into the trades and why integrity and camaraderie matter just as much as skill on the job site. He opens up about starting a business with his brother-in-law from his in-laws’ computer room, pushing through near financial collapse, and what it takes to keep growing while staying true to your values.This conversation is a reminder that construction is more than concrete and contracts. It is about people, purpose and leaving the world better than you found it.Key Takeaways:How military discipline and leadership translate into business successThe role of Helmets to Hard Hats in creating opportunities for veteransWhy grit, sacrifice and family support are crucial for entrepreneursThe importance of mentorship and creating career paths for young people in the tradesIntegrity and respect as the foundation of long-term success in constructionWhether you’re in the trades, leading a team or building your own business, John’s story will inspire you to push through challenges and focus on what really matters.Stay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin is joined by Paul Wende, Business Manager of Chicago’s Local 63 Ironworkers Union, for a no-holds-barred conversation about the real state of the trades. From navigating outdated perceptions of unions to expanding fence work across the country, Paul brings sharp insight, heart, and a healthy dose of grit.Together, they unpack:The surprising truth behind union “mob” mythsWhy fence work is the most underestimated trade in constructionHow contractors and unions can (finally) work as partnersWhat "right to work" really means—and why it mattersAnd how Local 63 is reshaping the path from high school to high-paying union careersWhether you’re boots-on-the-ground or behind a desk, this episode pulls back the curtain on the politics, power, and people shaping the construction world.Stay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Atomic Construction Podcast, Kevin Hohe sits down with Sean Du Fosse for a raw conversation about the real challenges that come with building a meaningful career in construction. Together they dig into what it means to build resilience, why having a clear sense of purpose matters when times get tough and how asking better questions can make you a stronger leader.From navigating tough decisions to finding the grit to keep going when projects, and life, don’t go to plan, Sean’s insights remind us that construction is about more than tools and concrete. It’s about the people who choose to show up, push through and build something better every day.Takeaways:Sean’s journey through fear, uncertainty and professional growthHow purpose keeps you steady when projects get challengingWhy grit and resilience are non-negotiable in the construction industryThe power of asking better questions on and off the job siteHow to find meaning in the everyday grind of the tradesWhat good leadership looks like when you’re facing tough callsWhy community and support make the difference when things get hardLessons learned from failures and what they teach about moving forwardBuilding a culture where honesty and courage thriveSean’s advice for young tradespeople and leaders who want to build betterStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Atomic Construction Podcast, Kevin Hohe and Kyle Nitchen sit down with Scott Kimpland for an honest conversation about what it really takes to lead well in the construction industry.Scott shares stories from his career, the lessons he’s learned about putting people first, and why culture is the backbone of any successful project.Kevin, Kyle and Scott dig into the everyday challenges that leaders face on site, from aligning teams to managing conflict, and why clear communication and genuine care can make all the difference. They also touch on what the industry still gets wrong about leadership and how the next generation can raise the bar by focusing on trust, accountability and respect.Whether you’re managing your first crew or running a multi-million dollar build, this conversation is a reminder that good construction isn’t just about bricks and budgets, it’s about people.Takeaways:Scott’s early days in construction and what shaped his leadership styleWhy culture beats strategy when it comes to team performanceHow to align project goals with people’s strengthsThe importance of clear, honest communication on every jobLessons on handling conflict without damaging trustHow to balance productivity with people’s well-beingWhat younger leaders need to know about accountability and respectWhy investing in people pays off more than any short-term fixScott’s thoughts on what the construction industry still needs to get rightPractical advice for leaders who want to build better and lead with heartStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Atomic Construction Podcast, Kevin Hohe talks with Cesar Barbosa about his inspiring journey from being a Mexican-American immigrant to becoming a successful electrician and founder o of NuLife Power Services. Cesar shares how trade education, discipline and faith shaped his path, and why he believes mentorship is the key to lifting up the next generation of tradespeople.They discuss the practical challenges of building a business in the trades, the importance of updating aging solar systems and how Cesar’s company is bridging technical solutions with community impact. This conversation is also a call for unity, reminding listeners that in a divided world, we need bridges and walls, profit and purpose, and above all, people who give back.Takeaways:Cesar’s story from immigrant roots to electrical business ownerTrade education can open doors to strong, fulfilling careersHard work and discipline matter more than shortcutsEntrepreneurship in the trades brings real challenges and real rewardsMentorship helps young people succeed in construction and electrical workFaith is at the heart of Cesar’s business and life philosophyCommunity support fuels growth, personally and professionallyNu Life Power focuses on fixing and upgrading aging solar systemsCesar believes unity and understanding are vital in a divided worldContinuous learning and self-improvement keep tradespeople moving forwardStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Atomic Construction Podcast, Kevin Hohe sits down with Austin Schmitz to unpack his journey through the construction industry. Austin shares how curiosity, grit, and a willingness to learn helped him build a meaningful career in an industry where every day brings new challenges.They talk about the power of mentorship, what good leadership really looks like on a site, and why mistakes can be the best teachers if you stay open to growth. Austin reflects on the realities of the modern construction industry, how teamwork holds projects together, and what advice he’d give to the next generation stepping into the trades.Takeaways:How Austin got his start in constructionThe importance of showing up and doing the work wellLessons learned on site that shaped his leadership approachWhy mentorship matters in building a career in constructionBalancing project demands with people managementLearning from mistakes and turning them into strengthsWhy curiosity and adaptability keep you growingStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this conversation, Kevin and Kyle discuss various aspects of the construction industry, focusing on project updates, the importance of building a construction community, and the principles of lean construction. They explore the challenges faced in the industry, the need for efficient project management, and the significance of establishing core values that align with lean practices. The discussion emphasizes the necessity of reducing waste and maximizing value in construction projects, while also addressing the cultural shifts required to implement these changes effectively.Takeaways:The construction industry is currently facing significant challenges related to project management and efficiencyBuilding a community for construction professionals can help elevate the industry as a wholeLean construction focuses on reducing waste and maximizing value in projectsEstablishing core values that align with lean practices is essential for successThe importance of continuous improvement and communication in construction projects cannot be overstatedCreating a clean and organized work environment is a fundamental step towards lean practicesIncentive-based contracts can foster collaboration and trust among project stakeholdersThe construction industry needs to shift from a fear-based mindset to one focused on value and collaborationEducation and resources on lean construction are crucial for industry professionalsThe vision for a construction community aims to reach millions and transform the industryStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInRead about the Toyota Production System here,And let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin Hohe and Kyle Nitchen dive into the official launch of Project OS; a custom-built Notion template designed specifically for the construction industry. Project OS addresses a long-standing gap in the tools available for efficient project oversight and team coordination.Kyle shares the inspiration behind the product, how years of hands-on project management led to its development, and why Project OS could be a game-changer for construction professionals. They unpack the features, discuss the pricing model, and explore how this tool empowers project managers and operations executives to gain visibility, structure their work, and streamline their workflow, without relying on complex ERP systems.Whether you're running a single build or juggling multiple projects, this episode offers insight into how digital tools like Project OS can help construction teams move faster, stay aligned, and build better.Takeaways:Atomic Construction Group has launched Project OS, a Notion-based project resource tool.Project OS is designed to fill a gap in construction project management systems.The template is user-friendly, customizable, and ideal for small-to-mid-sized teams.The tool supports multi-project visibility and clear task organization.It’s not an ERP — it’s a lightweight, flexible solution for PMs and execs.Kyle developed Project OS based on his extensive personal use of Notion.The platform helps streamline communication, tracking, and deliverables across teams.Project OS is part of Atomic’s mission to improve how construction gets done.Kyle’s vision is to empower leaders in the field with better, smarter tools.Stay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin Hohe sits down with Peggy Aschenbrenner to trace her bold journey from the world of healthcare leadership into the fast-paced construction industry. Peggy shares how a strict upbringing and a strong work ethic shaped her early career, her experiences leading through the chaos of COVID-19, and why she ultimately made the leap into construction. They explore what it takes to lead with values, adapt across industries, and build a workplace culture that empowers people to thrive. From ethical challenges in healthcare to scheduling challenges in construction, Peggy’s story is one of resilience, reinvention, and purpose.Key TakeawaysPeggy’s disciplined childhood instilled responsibility and independenceShe worked multiple jobs and graduated college earlyTransitioned from sales to leadership roles in healthcareCOVID-19 reinforced her need for change and values-driven leadershipHer husband played a key role in supporting her demanding careerMoving into construction gave her new energy and opportunityShe believes people in construction are generous with knowledgeStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Atomic Construction, Kevin Hohe and Kyle Nitchen dive into what it really means to lead, at work and in life. They talk about the power of vision, the mental load of always being “on,” and how knowing your purpose (your ikigai) can lead to a more fulfilling career and a healthier mindset.Kyle opens up about welcoming his second child and the lessons that came with stepping back and trusting his team. Together, they explore the balance between leadership and management, the emotional discipline required to disconnect, and why redefining wealth beyond money might be the secret to long-term success in the construction industry.This conversation is packed with reflections on personal growth, resilience, and the importance of creating space; for your team, your goals, and your own mental health.In this episode, we cover:The challenges and rewards of stepping away from projectsWhy empowering your team is key to sustainable leadershipHow to create margin in life for what really mattersThe mental health pressures in construction—and how to navigate themHow to define success in a way that works for youThe concept of ikigai and why purpose fuels performanceHow “time wealth” can be more valuable than financial wealthUsing money as a tool, not the goalWhy growth mindset matters more than perfectionBuilding a meaningful life by knowing what’s “enough”Stay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Atomic Construction Podcast, Kevin Hohe sits down with Lisa Pickell, CEO of Orren Pickell Builders and a powerful voice in the construction industry.Lisa shares her journey from growing up in a family business to becoming a leader in her own right - driven by curiosity, a passion for design, and a deep respect for the trades.Together, they explore the real challenges facing the construction industry today, from generational disconnects to unrealistic client expectations. Lisa opens up about the importance of early communication, mentorship, and empathy, and why being part of someone’s home-building journey is both a responsibility and a privilege.Whether you're leading a team or just starting out, this episode is a masterclass in thoughtful leadership and the evolving role of women in construction.In this episode, we explore:Why curiosity and external experience matter, especially in a family businessThe powerful impact of mentorship in shaping careersWhat it means to earn trust in high-stakes projectsWhy budgeting and early alignment with clients are make-or-break momentsHow empathy, assertiveness, and communication define great leadershipThe ongoing evolution of the construction industry and its workforceLisa’s experience as a docent at the Chicago Architecture CenterThe opportunities and challenges for women in the trades todayWhy design is about more than buildings, it's about improving livesWhat younger generations need to hear about careers in constructionStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Atomic Construction Podcast, Kevin Hohe sits down with David Dastur of Jensen Halstead, an architectural firm with roots going back to 1868. David shares insights into the world of healthcare and senior living design, the unique challenges of working in highly specialized sectors, and why effective communication between architects, engineers, and contractors is critical for a successful project.From budgeting and design fees to the intricacies of stormwater detention systems, David breaks down what it really takes to move a project from vision to reality. The conversation also explores the evolving nature of the construction industry, the need for better education and leadership, and why designing spaces that improve lives is more important than chasing iconic status.This is a conversation for anyone who’s ever wondered what happens before the first shovel hits the ground, and why teamwork makes all the difference.In this episode, we explore:The legacy of Jensen Halstead, a firm with roots back to 1868Why healthcare and senior living design requires a specialized approachThe architect’s role as the quarterback of the design teamWhy collaboration with engineers and contractors is essentialUnderstanding design fees and project budgets—$14M for an outpatient building is just the startThe typical design timeline (4-6 months) and the realities of paperwork and productivityWhy designing for people matters more than designing for prestigeHow mindset, leadership, and team dynamics shape outcomesThe importance of education and social awareness in the industryDavid’s personal journey—how passion and perseverance fuel a career in architectureStay connected:Kevin Hohe | LinkedInAnd let us know what you think with our feedback form.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production.Produced by Pineapple Audio Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.