Outlaws with TS Madison

Messy Monday? Meet Talk Your Sh!t Tuesday! This week, Maddie chops it up with writer, actor, sexual/mental wellness advocate, and fellow iHeart podcast host Brandon Kyle Goodman! Reunited for the first time since the GLAAD Award nominated Logo Legend special where BKG and friends gave Maddie her flowers, they’re picking up right where they left off. Brandon’s talking all things gay, nonbinary, and polyamorous… and what it’s like to navigate those identities in today’s political climate.  Madison and Brandon reflect on their intersecting identities of being Black, queer, and trans, and how those identities show up in the entertainment industry. Brandon shares the joy of working on “Big Mouth,” a show which they say championed the importance of diversity of all kinds in the writers room. But shows like “Big Mouth” are more often the exception than the rule, and Hollywood still has a lot of work to do to make sure everyone is seen and heard– on screen AND in the writers room. Brandon shares pivotal moments from their own life, including how “Sister Act 2” inspired their creative journey and how their mom became a Born Again Christian, sparking Brandon’s villain era. But, as they remind us, sometimes you need to be the villain in someone else’s eye in order to live your authentic life. In a time when there’s incredible pressure to conform, Brandon asks us, who would you be if society never got its hands on you? To hear more from Brandon Kyle Goodman, check out Tell Me Something Messy on the iHeartRadio app, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ask and you shall receive! This week’s guest is our #1 most requested—by a landslide—LUENELL! Amid her nonstop touring schedule, she blesses the "Outlaws" studio to chop it up with TS Madison, and listen… we’re already nominating this episode for the "Outlaws" Hall of Fame. First, Luenell dives into her roots in small-town Arkansas and why she goes by just one name. From there, the conversation takes off: her wild bank robbery story (and how she got caught), a brief stint as a sex worker, why she was unable to watch Princess Diana’s funeral, overcoming addiction, and the surprising ways prison taught her to appreciate life’s little things. We also get a behind-the-scenes look at her illustrious comedy career, working with fellow legends like Adam Sandler and Eddie Murphy—whether that’s hanging upside down on a stripper pole or voicing cartoon characters with the "Hotel Transylvania" franchise. Plus, Luenell spills on reconciling with Leslie Jones while filming "Coming to America 2." Madison and Luenell also unpack Hollywood’s brutal beauty standards, how a surprise FaceTime from Rihanna landed her a Savage X Fenty modeling gig, and how that experience paved the way for her (now retired) OnlyFans. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, we’re joined by the Queen of Melrose herself, Cosmo Lombino! Owner of Cosmo's Glamsquad, Cosmo & Donato, and Fashion Whore, Cosmo has styled everyone from celebrities to the girl next door– and of course, our host TS Madison! Maddie and Cosmo reminisce on their first meeting in one of Cosmo’s shops 15 years ago… and the shoes Maddie still needs to pick up… Cosmo’s bringing Melrose to the studio, with a Medusa-esque headpiece perfect for Madison. And let’s hear it for the kimono! Could we be seeing an on-site Outlaws styling sesh in the future?? From fur coats one week to food stamps the next, Cosmo gets into her Scorsese-esque childhood in the Bronx. Maddie asks the big questions like, can you be a crime boss and a Jehovah’s witness? And of course, we dive into the story of her family’s move to California, which went viral in 2024.  Family is a big theme of this episode, as Maddie and Cosmo share their own journeys with their families and why it’s important for parents to love their gay children. God loves his girls and God loves his gays– don’t get it twisted!  "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, TS Madison is joined by YouTube royalty– actress, model, philanthropist, and mother of 3 (cats), Gigi Gorgeous! Maddie starts the conversation by coaching Gigi on how to talk her shit! She IS that bitch! The pair talk about the early days of YouTube, and how being in the right place at the right time led to Gigi’s iconic billboard on Sunset Boulevard. Maddie talks about admiring Gigi as one of the ORIGINAL rich trans girls on the Internet, and seeing her as a model of success early on in both of their careers. But it’s not all LA sunshine and lipgloss– Maddie and Gigi get into the nuances of being trans icons, from the competition within the community to the pressures to be the perfect role model to the extra barriers trans women of color must face. The girls get into navigating dating, chasers, and how the community keeps itself safe! We get a glimpse into some key moments in Gigi’s life– including how she went from being a diving champion to a makeup guru, her villain era as what she dubbed “the city gardener”– and of course, being detained and nearly imprisoned in Dubai.  And for the first time in “Outlaws” history, for Ban it, Bitch, we’re banning a ban: Gigi says young broke trans girls deserve the right to shoplift! "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We’ve got a true queer power couple in the studio today: THE Raven-Symoné and Miranda Maday, co-hosts of the hit podcast Tea Time! Raven’s been in the spotlight since diapers, but don’t get it twisted – Miranda is every bit a powerhouse herself, with an Emmy to boot. Nothing’s off-limits in this conversation. We’re tackling the biggest (and girthiest) questions about strap-ons: Raven wants to know, why pink? Madison counters, why not? And are “flesh-tone” strap-ons outdated—or still the ultimate hipwear?? Raven gets candid about growing up under the Disney microscope, the pressures around gender identity and presentation, and how meeting Miranda changed everything. In just 38 minutes, this episode covers so much ground—from why entertainers get paid so much, to what it’s like navigating private pain while in the public eye, to why the powers-that-be are so terrified of social media. And of course, what it actually means to represent the LGBTQ+ community (or as they call it: the Labiquita!) as public figures. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For this episode of Outlaws, TS Madison is joined by the QUEEN of comedy herself, Mo’Nique! These girls go way back, and Mo’Nique shares a story about her and Madison’s first interview together. The pair talk about their respective journeys to stardom and navigating Hollywood as plus sized girls. Whether your trans or cis, there’s a lot of pressure to change who you are, but Mo’Nique isn’t having it. She reminds us that the public fell in love with THE TS Madison as she is, loud, live, and in COLOR! Next, Mo’Nique spills about her relationship with her husband Sidney Hicks, and how she fell in love with her best friend. She talks about how this relationship has opened up new ways of seeing herself, and what she deserves– and what we all deserve from love! And of course, neither our host or our guest today shies away from controversy– sometimes on opposite sides. We get a peak behind the scenes at how TS Madison helped reconcile Mo’Nique and Lee Daniel’s working relationship. And we’re all winning because of it! Could we see more TS Madison-facilitated reunions in the future? Could we see a conversation between Mo’Nique and Oprah? Or Tyler Perry? Mo’Nique and Maddie say the door is open! "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

With a multifaceted career both onscreen and behind the camera, Orlando Jones is the definition of a storyteller. And he’s no stranger to being called an outlaw– from "Mad TV" to Mr. Nancy, Orlando’s been shaking things up since the 90s!  To start off, Orlando tells TS Madison about his evolution in the entertainment industry. An early adapter of mobile media content, Orlando’s media company won the first ever virtual reality Emmy Award. Next, they get into the nuances of centering Black voices in entertainment– storytelling is a powerful tool, and Orlando wants to see more stories by and for Black America!  And of course, we have to get into the “American Gods” of it all. Madison thanks Orlando for his work shaping the show’s iconic, Mr. Nancy– not only playing the character on screen but developing the character in the writer’s room as well! The pair talk Mr. Nancy’s iconic monologues, the show’s reimagining of spirituality and mythology…and of course get into the details of Orlando’s controversial firing from the show– which prompted fan backlash and boycotts of the show’s third (and ultimately final) season. That’s not all– in an exclusive moment, Orlando Jones reveals he’s just finished a Mr. Nancy novel! Could we see a role for TS Madison if (and when) it’s ever adapted for the screen??? "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on Outlaws, we’re bringing you the iconic Miss Lawrence! From Housewives to slaying the real estate game, this episode spotlights Black queer excellence. TS Madison and Miss Lawrence share their love for each other, as two groundbreaking voices of reality TV.  Miss Lawrence talks his sh!t, with a previous career as one of the most sought after hairstylists in Atlanta which then laid the groundwork for his eclectic career in the entertainment industry. Madison and Lawrence dish on the public perception of flamboyant Black queens and the expectations that they will not succeed– which makes it even more important to celebrate their wins! Both of these icons have changed the way Blackness, queerness, and femininity are seen on and off screen– and their work is paying off! The duo delve into the highlights of Miss Lawrence's career– from his “Villain era” of pushing his team towards greatness, to the chance encounter that inspired him to close his salon and move onto bigger and brighter things, to working together on Bros and maybe a future project on the “sacrifices of the boot”… We’re then treated to a surprise facetime call and Maddie’s showstopping rendition of Happy Birthday for Miss Lawrence’s niece. And for this week’s Ban It, Bitch, Miss Lawrence is taking on Hookah bars (he’s saving all our voices, y’all!) In times like these where some are trying to erase Black and queer history, it’s now more important than ever to uplift voices like Miss Lawrence, that embody the abundance, excellence, and greatness we’re all capable of. We’re here and we’re not going anywhere!  "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teresa Josephine Marie Fortenberry 🫱🏻‍🫲🏾Thunderstorm Madison.  We’re mixing it up today with the internet’s favorite good Southern Christian girl, Terri Joe. Terri’s here to share the word of the Lord with TS Madison, and how she navigates the world as a true child of God amidst abominations like vampires, welfare, hair dye, and pork chops. Terri shares stories from growing up in Bon Temps, Louisiana, including her…unique conversion therapy method, granted to her by God. Over the years, Terri Joe has cured many a hommaseggsyuhs (except for her nemesis Saucy Santana) and her work is far from over! Unfortunately, Terri Joe had to leave unexpectedly mid-interview, but the phenomenal Kelon Campbell steps in to take over the rest of the episode! Madison shares her love for the success of Kelon’s alter ego and how sharing the stage with Terri Joe has been a longtime dream! Kelon reflects on how Terri Joe came to be, taking the stage with Madonna, and going live with legends (Doja Cat!). We get into everything from the night he was escorted by security out of Shawty Bae’s birthday party, to the upcoming TERRI JOE MOVIE in the works! Did y’all know that was happening?! Madison encourages Kelon, as an Outlaw and as one of the seeds of her garden, to speak on his accomplishments with a little more pride moving forward – because if you can't celebrate yourself, how in the hell you gonna celebrate somebody else?! AMEN. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

BRETMAN ROCK has entered the chat! Bretman joins Maddie all the way from Hawai'i. We kick things off with a conversation on gender identity and B’s experiences growing up in Hawai‘i as a non-binary Filipino kid. Bretman shares how being raised among cultures where mahu and bakla are not only respected but revered helped him embrace the entire spectrum of gender identities. Madison opens up about her own experiences and ongoing learning regarding nonbinary identities. Then, as always, TS Madison asks her guest to talk his shit – and BABY, Bretman understood the assignment. Millionaire at 18? Check. Living his ancestors’ greatest dreams? Check. Peacocks in the backyard? Check. Bretman shares his origin story at a Wal-Mart, and Maddie helps him unpack his genuinely jawdropping villain era (trust, you HAVE to hear this one…!!!). We cover so much in this one: influencer “shelf-lives,” family trauma, bottoms who don’t use Pure for Men, generational healing, and why tourists in Hawai’i should NOT pet the seals!!! This is the crossover episode you didn’t know you needed. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

TS Madison is joined by the legend, the mother, the trendsetter, the seed planter, Maddie’s future presidential pick– Laverne Cox! Laverne is the DEFINITION of a trailblazer, as the first trans woman to grace the cover of Times Magazine, British Vogue, Cosmo, Essence, and so much more. And she’s not kicking down the ladder– Laverne says the best part of fame is getting to inspire and create space for up-and-coming trans and queer artists. She may be the first when it comes to nominations and accolades, but she will NOT be the last! Two pillars of trans media, Laverne and Madison discuss breaking into the entertainment industry as Black trans women, and the double standards and setbacks that are all too common. Laverne talks about her own journey waitressing in New York for years and almost getting evicted before reaching career success with Orange Is The New Black– and now executive producing and starring in her own TV series, Clean Slate. And there's no question why Maddie wants to see this TV star in office– Laverne talks gender theory, from reading Judith Butler and bell hooks in college, to what it means to be a trans person in 2025. Laverne provides insight into how the patriarchy demonizes trans women and cis women alike, why intersectionality is important, and breaks down the dangers of Project 2025 for all of us. It’s not an easy time, as trans and queer folks face more and more political attacks every day. But it’s voices like Laverne’s that remind us of our power. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Last week, Madison talked with Monét X Change, so it’s only fitting that today we have the other half of “Sibling Rivalry” on the pod– it’s “RuPaul’s Drag Race” Season 8 winner, Bob the Drag Queen! Drag superstar, comedian, Madonna’s MC– Bob’s adding “author” to an already impressive resume, with his new book "Harriet Tubman: Live in Concert!" But before getting into that, Madison and Bob talk Drag Race, douching etiquette, sobriety, and concealed carry– if you needed another reason not to mess with Maddie. Bob talks about his lifelong obsession with Harriet Tubman and everything she accomplished in her long life. Bob shares his favorite photo of Harriet looking regal as hell in her 90s and the book’s heartfelt dedication to Bob’s late mother, as well as anecdotes from his research. Manifestation is a big theme in this episode– from historical examples to personal ones. These are southern girls, so we’re mixing scripture and spells– from reflecting on Harriet Tubman’s spirituality, to on-air-manifesting Madison’s next collab. And Bob talks about getting a glowing review from his favorite performers of all time– is the key to meeting your heroes getting them tattooed on your body? Or maybe just a mood board… "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, Madison is joined by “Drag Race” alum, the one and only Monét X Change! To start off, we’re talking about the gender spectrum– she, her, he, him, they, them, and whatever else you want to throw in there. The ladies have a cross-general conversation about how expectations of gender identity and presentation have changed. Monét talks about her pronouns in and out of drag, and deep questions such as, to boob or not to boob? Doth the position maketh man (or woman)?  Next we’re going nuclear– we all know Maddie doesn’t play and she doesn’t pull any punches. Monét’s villain era inspires today’s target… a certain blond haired talk show host who thinks she can hate on the trans community and still love the Ru girls. Okay… Like Madison says, if you don’t want to go nuclear, don’t press the button! This episode is bringing you big topics– like the importance of voting rights– and even bigger questions. Like, what the f*ck is a caramel macchiato?? Is New York really worth the winters? When will Madison become a regular judge on “Drag Race”? And will we see Madison follow in Monét’s footsteps as a future star of “The Traitors”??? "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

He’s a Libra, he’s successful, he’s amazing, he’s a trendsetter…a bad bitch all around, in this episode TS Madison is joined by the Material Gworl himself, SAUCY SANTANA! They discuss the impact of growing up watching "Real Housewives of Atlanta" and "RuPaul’s Drag Race" MADE Saucy Santana, exploring makeup as a teenager, swapping gender expectations for authenticity, and Maddie shares her own experience transitioning at 17.  Doesn’t matter if you’re he/him, she/her, they/them, this episode is for the GWORLS! Madison and Saucy talk intersectionality, fighting back against prejudice from within their own communities. We’re all in the fight to tear down white supremacy together!  Next, we get into Santana's villain era, his days reading bitches on twitter, how fame changed that, and also, we learn about the moment when Maddie realized she had become an elder.  "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

She’s a winner, baby! TS Madison is joined by the legendary Rupaul’s Drag Race Season 13 winner… it’s Symone! The duo jump immediately into it, and 'it' we mean a crash course on the astrological science of good sex, and the art of giving commands—and the sorcery doesn’t stop there. This episode is like an hour-long affirmation: we're vision-boarding with words, commanding the universe to deliver our “gots,” declaring “I AM!,” and stepping into the spirituality of queerness. It’s all about the Word, honey! The conversation then turns to the Ebony Enchantress’s journey from Arkansas to the main stage of RuPaul’s Drag Race. (Fun fact: Season 13 wasn’t just her winning season—it was also the first time Maddie sat on the judging panel.) She recalls what it felt like, from that side of the table, to watch the rising star walk the runway for the very first time. Together they reflect on RuPaul Andre Charles’s impact—not just on their own lives, but on the entire world—then bond over life’s ups and downs, those moments of feeling entirely lost, and the breakthroughs that promised brighter tomorrows. When Symone opens up about her lowest point, Maddie delivers an unforgettable pep talk, reminding her (and all of us) that it’s never about where you start; it’s always about where you go. Grab your tissues, y’all! We’re laughing, we’re crying, and we’re immediately queuing up a re-watch of RPDR Season 13!!! "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

TS Madison welcomes Drew Afualo to Outlaws—TikTok’s undisputed roast queen, New York Times best-selling author of "Loud" (the first Samoan woman to ever make that list—clock it!!!), Forbes 30 Under 30 Creator & Social Media cover star, and host of not one but two hit podcasts: "The Comment Section" and "Two Idiot Girls." After getting fired from the NFL, Drew picked up her phone and built a following 9 million strong, proving definitively that there is in fact an audience who, like her, absolutely does not f*ck with racism, homophobia, transphobia, or misogynistic men with egos as fragile as their hairlines—who would’ve thought?!  Together, Maddie and Drew are holding men’s nuts to the fire. They talk Samoan matriarchy, “meat checks,” TERFs, what it’s like to be told “you’re prettier in person,” and the Uber driver who remembered Drew's voice from the last time she was in his car and told a man to go f*ck himself. Also, they reflect on why they’ll never be “above” replying to hateful comments, no matter how high the star soars. Drew gives Maddie her flowers, and Maddie is certain she’s just met her long-lost twin. Hold up—have you started the episode yet?? What are you waiting for?! It’s time for an hour of loud, live, and in color SISTERHOOD. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

TS Madison is kicking off Pride Month with real talk and revelations in this special episode with none other than Representative Jasmine Crockett. Maddie has questions and SHE WANTS ANSWERS! And as seemingly one of the only Dems raising their voice, the Congresswoman from Texas is here to guide us. We all know that Maddie doesn’t sugarcoat it, and neither does Representative Crockett – she’s always gonna give it to you plain.  They talk about the haters, the hypocrites, and the healing we all need. And another thing – how did we get to this “oops” moment, where people are surprised by what’s going down? The "Find Out Phase" is in full effect, but we also get into how we can fix things and the question on everyone's minds: "Will we be okay?" Rep. Crockett gives us the hope we need. It's about to be Losing Season for the Haters! Let us know what you think!  Give us a rate/review/subscribe and stay tuned for more – this is only our fourth episode. "Outlaws" is truly just getting started!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

TS Madison and THE Wayne Brady meet for the first time in person and the vibes are as immaculate as Wayne’s outfit (by the way, full episodes are now on YouTube too for our visual learners). Wayne TALKS HIS SHIT like the 5-time Emmy Award winner that he IS — and proceeds to explain the concept of “Outlaws” better than we ever could! They get into it all: what pansexuality means to Wayne, growing up Caribbean American and seemingly too Black for the white folks but not 'Black enough' for Hollywood, the way in which him and Maddie each turned jokes into passports, and that time Whitney Houston was booed at the Soul Train Awards. Also, they reflect on the feeling of being overlooked by the very institutions that are supposed to celebrate you (NAACP, BET, Essence, Atlanta Pride… yes, we’re naming names). Maddie drops a monologue on surviving the system by monetizing confusion, and Wayne recounts his absolutely legendary audition for "Snakes on a Plane." At one point, TS Madison auditions to play Audrey II from "Little Shop of Horrors" and we think we may need to start a campaign to make this happen for real?! Wayne and Maddie share a kindred connection – and we wish we could've kept this episode rolling for another hour. We need more! A buddy comedy? A musical? Wayne AND Maddie in "Little Shop" together?! Maddie Mob, you're in for an hour of real talk and revelations. How are y'all liking the show so far? Who are your dream guests? Are you following us on social? Have you reviewed/subscribed/etc. to all the things? Let’s lock in y’all – this podcast is just getting started!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on "Outlaws," it's... a Femininomenon! A what?! A FEMININOMENON. Today, our host TS Madison is joined by your favorite artist’s favorite artist and your favorite drag queen’s favorite drag queen. Chappell Roan—Grammy Award winner and visionary Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl behind “Pink Pony Club” and “Good Luck, Babe”—joins forces with her drag mother Sasha Colby, winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race Season 15 and the celebrated 2012 Miss Continental. Together, the Hawaiian queen and Midwest princess form the most iconic mother-daughter duo since Miss Mary and TS Madison. Today they’re pulling up to Auntie Madison's place for some overdue family time in a shimmering, shade-filled, and unforgettable episode of "Outlaws"—only our second ever!  Madison opens the show with heartfelt gratitude, bestowing “Niece” status upon Chappell for doing what you're supposed to do in big spaces: speak up, show up, and advocate fiercely for LGBTQIA+ visibility. Meanwhile, Sasha receives her flowers as Madison recalls binge-watching her pageant tapes and knowing—when she saw her strut onto the Drag Race Main Stage—“Those girls in the back better be ready!” This is the best crossover event to hit Queer Media since Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande held space with Tracy Gilchrist. This episode has it all: Sasha recounts sneaking into Venus Nightclub in Hawaii and witnessing Miss Continental trailblazers like Yoshiko Oshiro, instantly thinking, "Sign me up!!!" Chappell reflects on the day she realized she could sing (and her parents’ adorably Midwestern response). The trio bonds over religious guilt, forbidden blue eyeshadow, and the sacred act of setting boundaries. There’s an impromptu duet of “The Christmas Song.” There’s a karma spell. And apparently, there are plans for a "Continental Night" where Sasha’s pulling out the VHS tapes?! We're not going to ask for an invite—because in this house we respect boundaries—but if y’all want to go live for 2 minutes so we can live vicariously... we wouldn’t be mad. And finally, Madison launches her new favorite segment: "Ban It, Bitch!" While certain politicians try to ban drag shows, LGBTQ+ books, and the very existence of transgender people, we’re flipping the script, because all that energy could be redirected toward the things that really gotta go. We're looking at you, cork shoes! Fish photos on dating apps! Pop Crave?! Ban it. Nothing is safe from the Outlaws gavel—and you might want to check your comment section etiquette before Madison checks it for you. Special thanks to Chappell and Sasha for saying yes and making the time to appear on "Outlaws" amidst their busy schedules—and doing so before we’d even dropped an episode. “Casting Karma Spells” is the blueprint for everything we hope this podcast can be: an hour of real talk with chosen family, where we can each shed our armor and own our stories. We simply couldn’t have made this episode without the hardworking teams behind these legends, along with our partners at iHeart. "Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The mic is ON and MOTHER is HERE. TS Madison kicks off Outlaws with Ms. Tina Knowles—fashion icon, businesswoman, and, now, the New York Times #1 bestselling author of Matriarch. They look back on what inspired Ms. Tina to finally write her book, the moment she knew her children were destined to be superstars, the queer legacy of Uncle Johnny, the poignant stories behind the names Beyoncé and Solange, and a July 29th revelation that moves Ms. Tina, and all of us, to tears. From nights out at Galveston's Kon-Tiki Club to divine signs from ancestors—this is a can’t-miss premiere episode that marks the powerful debut of "Outlaws" and the arrival of TS Madison as one of the great interviewers of our time. Get cozy. Get into it. And get "MATRIARCH" by Tina Knowles. Outlaws is proud to be a part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.