Social Currency with Sammi Cohen

For the first time in its history as a public company, Peloton turned a profit. After years of billion-dollar losses, the fitness brand posted $63 million in net income this fiscal year. Just three years ago, it was a punchline. Today, Sammi unpacks how Peloton went from pandemic darling to cautionary tale and back again. She revisits the crash that wiped out $40 billion in market value, founder John Foley's exit, and the Sex and the City reboot that turned a Peloton bike into a plot device. Then, she breaks down the turnaround strategy led by CEO Peter Stern, the former Apple executive who built his career on subscriptions, not hardware. Sammi walks through the bets that got Peloton back in the black: aggressive price increases and cost cuts, a viral ad campaign starring Heated Rivalry's Hudson Williams, a global partnership with Spotify, and a new push into commercial gyms. Plus, she explains why the stock dropped more than 11% on the day Peloton announced its historic profit, and what that says about whether Peloton is really back. Follow Sammi Cohen on Instagram Subscribe to the Social Currency newsletter Here's What Sammi Covers Today: 00:00 Peloton's First Profitable Year 01:50 Partner Message - Mercury 02:50 From $50 Billion to Punchline 03:45 John Foley's Exit and the 87% Wipeout 04:15 The Pandemic Bubble Cautionary Tale 04:55 Enter Peter Stern, Peloton's Apple Hire 05:45 The Four-Pillar Turnaround Plan 06:15 Price Hikes and Cost Cuts 07:30 The Heated Rivalry Ad That Went Viral 08:15 The Spotify Partnership 08:58 Peloton's Commercial Gym Bet 09:55 The $63 Million Turnaround 10:25 Partner Message -Mercury 12:45 Why the Stock Fell Anyway 13:15 A Shrinking Subscriber Base 14:40 How to Show Social Currency Some Love Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nearly a billion people open Snapchat every month, and almost half a billion use it every single day. Fifteen years after Evan Spiegel and his co-founders launched the app, formerly known as Peekaboo, out of a Stanford dorm room, Snap is betting its next decade on something you wear on your face. This week, Sammi sits down with Snap co-founder and CEO Evan Spiegel to talk through the evolution of the company, how he thinks about being one of the most copied products in social media, and Specs, the $2,195 AR glasses more than a decade in the making. He explains why he sees the copying as a compliment to great design, why hardware is a much harder bet for competitors to follow than software, and what convinced him a decade ago that computing needed to move off screens and into the world. Evan also breaks down the viral meme that introduced Specs to a mainstream audience, how the company thinks about privacy on a device built to record, and why Spotlight, Snap's video feed, has become one of its fastest growing products by rewarding authenticity over AI generated content. He shares his prediction for what Snap looks like in 2036 and his take on the ongoing debate over minimum ages for kids on social media. Toward the end, Evan gets personal, talking about parenting four kids in a world full of screens, what his wife Miranda Kerr has taught him about skincare, and the story behind his family's donation to an organization that relieves medical debt. Follow Sammi Cohen on Instagram Subscribe to the Social Currency newsletter Here's What Sammi Covers with Evan: 00:00 Evan Spiegel's Social Currency 03:42 How Snapchat Started as "Peekaboo" 05:57 The Insight That Turned It Into a Messaging App 08:47 Being Social Media's Most Copied Product 11:06 What Evan Still Signs Off On at Snap 12:32 The Decade-Long Bet on AR Glasses 16:05 The Timeline for Mass Adoption of Specs 17:05 Evan's Live Reaction to Sammi Trying Specs 20:47 Why Specs Are Priced Like a Computer 22:29 The Viral Meme That Introduced Specs to the World 23:58 How Specs Are Designed Around Privacy 27:35 Why Spotlight Is One of Snap's Fastest-Growing Products 33:00 Evan's Prediction for Snap in 2036 37:42 Evan's Take on the Social Media Age-Gating Debate 41:22 Parenting Four Kids in a World Full of Screens 41:29 What Miranda Kerr Taught Him About Skincare 43:31 The Story Behind the Undo Medical Debt Donation 46:03 Lightning Round 49:37 Listener Question: Staying Motivated Building Hardware Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How does a scrappy startup beat Amazon when Amazon copies your product, undercuts your price and slaps its own name on it? According to Square co-founder Jim McKelvey, you don't. Except, once in a while, someone does. This week Sammi revisits one of her favorite conversations ever recorded for Social Currency: her sit-down with Jim McKelvey, the artist-turned-entrepreneur who co-founded Square (now Block) with Jack Dorsey. Jim opens with the story of how he once stripped down in a trade association's office just to get a meeting, and explains why getting someone's attention is always the real first step in any pitch. He breaks down why he intentionally designed Square's original card reader to work poorly, and how that "flaw" turned millions of small business owners into free advertisers for the brand. Then, Jim tells the almost unbelievable story of how Square survived Amazon's attempt to copy and kill its business with Amazon Register, why he studied history to understand how rare that survival really was, and how a conversation with Southwest's Herb Kelleher led him to write his book, The Innovation Stack. Jim also opens up about his years as an independent director of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, what he learned living through zero interest rates, the pandemic and the Silicon Valley Bank collapse, and how the role reshaped his politics. Plus, he explains why his media venture Invisibly failed to save journalism despite cracking the monetization problem, and details his newest venture, Fast Trials, an attempt to slash the cost of FDA drug trials so more life-saving drugs can make it to market. Follow Sammi Cohen on Instagram Subscribe to the Social Currency newsletter Read Jim McKelvey's blog and check out his book, The Innovation Stack Here's What Sammi Covers with Jim: 00:00 Jim McKelvey's Social Currency 02:03 Why Sammi Is Revisiting This Episode 05:09 The Striptease That Landed a Six-Figure Deal 08:00 Why Getting Attention Comes Before Any Pitch 11:01 Why the Square Reader Was Designed to Not Work Well 14:23 Respecting Your Audience's Attention 17:56 Why Jim Doesn't Use Social Media 19:00 The Power of the Pause 20:22 The Real Origin Story of Square 24:32 How Square Survived Amazon's Attempt to Kill It 28:04 The Commandment From Herb Kelleher That Became a Book 32:11 Why the Rules of Innovation Are Different 36:27 The Hardest Part of Doing Something New 37:28 Serving as an Independent Director of the Federal Reserve 40:22 What the Fed Taught Jim About Political Neutrality 42:19 The Allergic Response to Ideas That Don't Fit 43:22 Why Invisibly Failed to Save Journalism 47:04 The Monetization Model That Actually Worked 49:26 Jim's New Venture: Fast Trials 54:31 Advice for Building in Regulated Industries 58:08 Jim's Don't-Do List 59:48 Social Currency Corner: Tipping Culture 01:02:20 A Listener Question on the Future of Fintech Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A federal judge just ordered an ice cream company to hand over nearly $24 million because their pint looked a little too much like someone else's. Today, Sammi breaks down the case of Van Leeuwen versus Rebel Creamery, a lawsuit that is about way more than ice cream. She explains how Van Leeuwen's pastel packaging, designed by the firm Pentagram in 2016, became one of the most valuable assets in the company's business and helped drive a nearly 50% jump in sales velocity. Then she unpacks how keto ice cream brand Rebel launched with strikingly similar packaging, despite a buyer warning them beforehand that it looked like a ripoff. Sammi digs into the legal concept of trade dress, which protects the overall look and feel of a product rather than any single design element, and explains why the court sided with Van Leeuwen. She also covers the idea of "reverse confusion," why Rebel's missing design paperwork sank their case, and how the judge's finding of bad faith unlocked a massive damages award under the Lanham Act. Finally, Sammi shares why this case matters for every founder and brand builder today: in an age where AI can replicate any aesthetic instantly, the real competitive advantage isn't the look itself, it's being able to prove you own it. Follow Sammi Cohen on Instagram Subscribe to the Social Currency newsletter Here's what Sammi covers today: 00:00 The $24 Million Ice Cream Lawsuit 00:59 Partner Message: Mercury 02:16 Van Leeuwen's Origin Story 02:44 The Pentagram Packaging Redesign 03:34 How the Design Became the Brand 03:50 Enter Rebel Creamery 04:17 The Wegmans Warning 05:00 Van Leeuwen Files Suit 05:25 What Is Trade Dress? 06:06 Proving Consumer Confusion 06:46 The Concept of Reverse Confusion 07:10 The Paper Trail That Won the Case 07:46 Rebel's Missing Evidence 08:25 The Judge's Bad Faith Ruling 08:34 The Good Faith Remote User Defense 09:10 How Rebel's Profits Became the Damages 09:50 The $23.8 Million Verdict and Redesign Order 10:16 Partner Message: Mercury 11:26 Why Provable Ownership Matters in the AI Era 11:47 The Founder's Takeaway 12:30 How to Show Social Currency Some Love Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan Clancy's resume includes NASA, Google and Nextdoor, an unlikely path to becoming CEO of one of the biggest live streaming platforms in the world. This week, Sammi sits down with Dan to unpack what actually makes Twitch different from every other social platform: a community that survives even when the algorithm doesn't. Dan explains why he still streams himself as "DJ Clancy" (despite never once DJing), what that experience taught him about belonging that he couldn't have learned any other way, and why Twitch's average watch time of 73 minutes says more about human connection than any growth metric. He breaks down how creator monetization actually works, why gift subscriptions often outperform tipping, and the advice he gives anyone intimidated by starting their first stream. Then, Dan gets into why platforms like YouTube have tried and failed to poach Twitch's top streamers, what's still defensible about Twitch a decade after everyone copied the format, and how he thinks about AI as a creative tool rather than a threat to authentic connection. Plus, he opens up about the songwriting career he only discovered in his fifties, the identity boxes we build for ourselves, and the life advice he shared with Sammi that she says she'll be thinking about for a long time. Follow Sammi Cohen on Instagram Subscribe to the Social Currency newsletter Follow Twitch: twitch.tv Check out TwitchCon: twitchcon.com Here's What Sammi Covers with Dan: 00:00 Dan Clancy's Social Currency 02:29 From Theater Major to Tech Executive 04:35 What Theater Taught Dan About Leadership 08:30 Streaming as "DJ Clancy" 10:10 What Live Streaming Taught Dan About Community 12:05 The Pitch to a First-Time Twitch Viewer 15:00 Comparing Twitch to Bingeable TV and "Cheers" 15:40 The Power of Horizontal Connections 18:04 Twitch's Core Demographics 19:30 How Twitch Differs From TikTok and YouTube 23:10 How Creator Monetization Actually Works 26:10 Advice for Streamers Just Starting Out 28:00 Short-Form vs. Long-Form Content Strategy 28:51 Why Collaboration Drives Growth on Twitch 29:46 Why Gaming Is a Co-Creation Activity 30:50 Balancing Online Community With Real-World Connection 33:10 What Still Makes Twitch Defensible 36:00 Could Twitch and Amazon Build Social Commerce? 38:25 How AI Fits Into Live Streaming 42:50 Why Every Tech Revolution Comes Back to Connection 46:00 Dan's Songwriting Journey and Breaking Out of Old Boxes 49:08 Dan's System for Embracing Failure 52:26 Cori Marchisotto, e.l.f. and Brands on Twitch 56:44 Listener Question: Supporting Twitch's Volunteer Moderators Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices