Introverted But Willing To Discuss Tori Amos

Calling all of our fellow setlist scholars and lounge lizards 🦎 👩‍🏫 🎹 We hear and feel your palpable excitement about Tori on tour right now, and honestly, we are still geeking out in real time as the setlists roll in each night too. So we thought we’d keep capturing that magic and excitement.Tonight, each of us has picked five songs that we desperately want to see Tori perform on the In Times of Dragons tour. As of now, a few shows in, none of these have appeared in the setlist yet—and we haven’t shared our picks with each other, so we’ll all unzip our religion down together.We’re going to loudly -perhaps delusionally- campaign for these songs, and maybe you can help us shout em from the rooftops in Tori’s direction along the way. Let’s close our eyes and imagine together what these fifteen songs could become—especially now that we have three insanely talented background vocalists adding layers and dimension in a way we’ve never really heard before.So buckle up, girls and boys, ’cause we’re driving the setlist tonight. If Jon Evans ever needs a night off as Musical Director, give us a ring…we’re cheap, cute and ready to go!

Welcome to Introverted but Willing to Discuss Tori Amos — the podcast for quiet thinkers, deep listeners, and anyone who has ever had a life moment soundtracked by a Tori Amos song.On Episode 3, Kristen, Matt and Joey discuss something that lives somewhere between ritual and road trip: Tori Amos on tour. Because a Tori tour isn’t just a series of concerts — it’s a living, breathing, moving cultural conversation. Songs shift, setlists breathe, old tracks reappear in new emotional colors, and every night becomes its own little universe.Whether you’ve followed Tori across cities and continents, caught a single unforgettable show, or watched the magic unfold from afar, touring is where the songs evolve — and where the stories begin.So in true introvert fashion, we’ll ease into it: the anticipation, the travel, the setlist surprises, the quiet community that forms in theater seats around the world, and what it feels like when those first piano notes hit the room and everything starts to vibrate. Tonight, on the eve of the In Times of Dragons world tour launch, we pre-game our version of the Super Bowl: Tori Amos on tour!

On our 2nd episode of season 3, we have the pleasure and privilege of being joined by the one and only Rod Thomas, better known as the iconique Bright Light, Bright Light, an artist, songwriter, producer, and DJ who has released five studio albums since 2012, his most recent being the UK top 10 selling Enjoy Youth from 2024. While being a fully independent artist, he has recorded with some of the music's biggest names, including Sir Elton John, Scissor Sisters, Justin Vivian Bond, Erasure, Madonna's backing singers, Nikki and Donna, and Ultra Naté. He has also toured the world as the opening act for Elton, Erasure, Ellie Goulding, and queen icon legend Cher. His love of 80s and 90s pop culture shines in his cinematic, colorful dance pop music, his remixes, and his DJ sets ranging from his weekly tea dance in New York City to Prides around the world and prestigious US institutions, MoMA and the Smithsonian. Most importantly, he is a self professed and very public Toriphile! And there's truly no one better than to deep dive Tori's fascinating and seemingly contradictory, but perhaps ultimately fitting relationship to electronica, synth pop and the strange boundless world of the remix. Welcome, welcome, Bright Light Bright Light.

For our Season 3 premiere we are going to zoom in on Tori’s relationship to cinema. I (Matt) have always been inspired by the movies, movies are my earliest memories. They were my first love, my longest relationship and for a long time, my bread and butter. On our season 2 episode featuring JPS JV asked him how he would describe Tori’s music. We see Tori as a great auteur, someone who creates worlds that are cinematic and immersive. In that respect, she is like the Martin Scorsese of singer-songwriters: a director who can handle any genre thrown at him, but still retains a certain quality that is unmistakably his and his alone. To be this kind of artist, at minimum, you have to at least know yourself inside and out and Tori proved with Little Earthquakes that she could articulate everything that was inside of her mind, her heart, her bones. She did this so early in life that she allowed herself the creative freedoms to blend those worlds for the rest of her career, and  explore narrative and character in a way very few singer-songwriters have. She became a sonic character actress sure, because she played all of the roles in her songs herself, but, in our view, she truly became a sonic auteur. The listener can see these stories visually as they experience the music sonically. Today we are cataloguing and contextualizing Tori Amos many dalliances with cinema, so no please join us as we launch Season THRAY.

A wise man (not really, it was just Matt Mazur) once said "Tori Amos invented sex," and in this season finale, we’re proving it. Whether she's falling in love in the snow or commanding the piano bench, Tori knows how to turn it up a notch. We’ve got a "DTF" playlist ready for you to enjoy the winter chill that bends. We’re introverted, we’re obsessed, and we’re ready to discuss the steamier side of Tori Amos.One Night Stand: TA DTF playlist

There’s not just one Tori Amos.There’s the mystical Tori. The one who whispers and stirs your soul with a single, dramatically drawn breathy sigh. Ethereal and enchanted. Imagine her as a church choir girl sun, faerie moon and a mermaid rising if you’re into astrology. Then there’s the sensual Tori. The one who moves like honey, undulating on the piano bench, eyes half-closed, turning her microphone into a… lover. Desire and divinity inhabit the same body, and she always finishes on top. ;) And then there’s the Tori who bares her teeth, growls, screams, and slams the keys. You have seen this tori in various forms. She’s the one who famously performed a song about her own assault while gripping a knife on stage.This Halloween, as the veil between worlds grows thin, we’re calling on that Tori– the one who kicked out the lady in the white shirt (does she fucking mind?). Because Scary Tori isn’t a costume. She’s a force of nature- part witch, part warrior- and she’s on a mission. This Tori channels something ancient through her piano and what she finds might even surprise her at times.So today, in honor of the season of shadows, we’re talking about Scary Tori: the power that makes you flinch… and then lean closer.

In this episode, we ponder what it means for a Tori Amos song to be “underrated.” Is “underrated” in this context even something definable? Or is it ultimately subjective and personal to the individual listener? Is a song underrated because Tori rarely or never performs it? Or is it a song that’s been played so many times that we’ve taken it for granted and can no longer hear the genius and the grit that went into its creation? Or perhaps it lives on a latter-day Tori record that’s less celebrated, less heard by the general public? In the spirit of our wildly successful – and a touch controversial – Best of Tori Amos episode, we bring to you The 20 Most Underrated Tori Songs. We repeated our very scientific method of each crafting individual lists of what we believe to be Tori’s most underrated tracks – from proper albums only; no bsides, no soundtracks, no covers, no seasonal music - tallying each song’s respective points and then ranking the ranking them in ascending order. The result is a playlist that spans many - but not all - of Tori’s records, chock full of gags, goops, gogs, and go-figures. Given how underrated we likely all agree Tori is in the broader history of contemporary music, this very episode may be the definition of a fool’s errand. Regardless, in the spirit of the woman we call Tori once calling herself an “ant fucker,” we are Introverted but willing to discuss Tori Amos’ most underrated songs.Playlists:20 Most Underrated Songs JVKKMM

Content warning: this episode briefly discusses DV and suicide. Please take care while listening.  “So what if you find you like to tango alone?" Tori Amos asks in the final moments of “Birthday Baby," the closing track of her 15th solo album Ocean to Ocean, released on October 21, 2021. An ode to the unexpected ways we collectively learned to both mourn and celebrate during the years-long isolation of the COVID-19 crisis, the song vacillates between a rousing eleven o'clock musical number and something a David Lynch character might sob inconsolably to while draped over a diner jukebox.  This juxtaposition is the essence of Tori, who has been masterfully weaving the familiar, strange, tender, and unsettling for over 30 years. What immediately distinguished Ocean to Ocean upon release from Amos’ previous records, though, was its timeliness, an album written and recorded during the most hopeless heights of a global pandemic, released into a world that had barely begun to scratch the surface of its shared trauma.  Never one to shy away from documenting her own emotional turbulence, Tori allowed Ocean to Ocean to wear its melancholy on its sleeve. It’s a record inspired and consumed by loss – loss of connection to others, loss of the self, loss of Tori's beloved mother Mary – and the process of trying to piece together both who we were before the storm and who we might become on the day after. The result is a tight, cohesive collection of songs that expertly articulates and somehow finds meaning in the deepest recesses of despair.  Ocean to Ocean is ultimately both a technical triumph -- Tori recorded virtually from her home studio in Cornwall, England with longtime collaborators Matt Chamberlain, Jon Evans, and John Philip Shenale (quite literally oceans apart) -- and a triumph of the spirit, Tori finding the artistic and emotional strength to recontextualize a year of losses into a record of rebirth.  So, stay with Joey, Kristen, and Matt as they unravel the gorgeous, generous fishing net that is Ocean to Ocean.  "Get Out of that Pain," a conversation between Joey and Tori for BOMB magazine: https://bombmagazine.org/articles/2020/05/06/tori-amos-resistance   Tiny Desk Concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SufUZu4h_m8  JV playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7zhxFp9ESB5WH9YuWY4Rpe?si=bedb114b0215415e KK playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2rFV8OAbjkRUsAx1sXBrFc?si=2b8a0878dcf6471c MM playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3Cf1JxCjkBhExAKP5ug4IC?si=ae970433a23e4377

We are honored to have a producer, composer, arranger, multi-instrumentalist, musical visionary in our presence. He's worked alongside some of the biggest legends in music history, and he also happens to be Tori Amos' longtime write or die right-hand man across many decades and many projects. Most recently, this dynamic duo collaborated on the wildly whimsical soundtrack that accompanies the New York Times best-selling children's book Tori and the Muses, please welcome our friend, the maestro, John Philip Shenale.We've heard you love our list making so we're coming at you with yet another list. This time it's the big one. It's our top 10 favorites list. NOT our best of, NOT our underrated. It's our favorites. So tonight you're in for real treat as we unveil our top tens alongside John Philip Shenale, who will be sharing his top 10 Tori Amos tracks that he did not work on. Maybe with a twist. We'll see.Our favorite top 10 Tori Amos songs:JPSJVKKMM

In this episode, we open the mailbag and dive into your burning questions. Will there be a 2026 tour? Is a new album on the horizon? We share our takes, speculate wildly, and cover the topics you most wanted to hear about. 

We’re doing things a bit differently as we welcome our very first guest for a very special episode, where we’ll attempt to scratch the surface of Tori’s complicated relationship with the media over the past three decades. We’ll explore not only how she’s been represented (and misrepresented) by an often unforgiving and unflattering press, but also the ways in which Tori’s intuition and perceptiveness allowed her to have the upper hand, talking circles around and discomfiting her inquisitors, and making clear that she wouldn’t back down from her ideals or be silenced by patriarchal standards -  way before it was cool or safe or, let’s be frank, not potentially career-ending to do so. Helping us to tackle this red-hot topic is a written and literal voice many of our listeners will be familiar with, both from the at once provocative and positively silly podcast Pot Psychology and his writing in The New York Times, Pitchfork, The Washington Post, Spin, Jezebel, and Gawker, among other publications. He also co-authors Slate’s sex advice column How to Do It. A true raconteur and renaissance man - Rich Juzwiak! Rich's latter day playlist made with love by Joey, Kristen, and MattRecent Pitchfork reassessment of Boys for Pele (2025)Q Magazine “Hips. Lips. Tits. Power." (1994)Rolling Stone review of Boys for Pele (1996)Rolling Stone cover story (1998)Tori on Roseanne’s talk show (1998)Tori on Rosie O’Donnell (1999)Tori on the Daily Show (1999)Tori on The View (1999)Rolling Stone Beekeeper review (2004)Stylus reviewTHR Full Oscar Songwriters Roundtable featuring Tori Amos, Justin Timberlake, John Legend, Alicia Keys, Sting (2016) Rick Beato interview (2024)

We are Introverted but Willing to Discuss Tori Amos, as always, but on this episode, we’re gonna need some thoughts and prayers because we’re going to talk about something else… sorta.No, we’re not giving a Father Lucifer bridge-style middle finger to our audience. We are instead going to share our playlists of music by other artists that remind us of our favorite Tori Amos music.Let’s face it: being a Tori fan isn’t always glamorous and cool. Sometimes we are judged. Sometimes we are called obsessive. Sometimes “people” don’t like us playing our girl on a speaker. But hey as Tori has famously said “I’m anchovies, if I were potato chips I could go a lot further.”Has anyone ever made fun of you for listening to Tori Amos? Not let you play your fave tune in a car on a road trip? We’ve made bulletproof playlists that you can use in those awkward moments when you can’t put your Tori on, but you need to get your Tori fix. We like to call it “Tori, Not Tori”. Let's talk about maybe some of our other favorite music … that reminds us of our real favorite music.⁠JV⁠⁠KK⁠⁠MM⁠

Greetings to the cowboys, the snakes, and the kin among us. Tonight we have a real southern tale to tell. Somewhere out past the cat’s whiskers and royal palm, where the air hangs heavy with history, there’s a sound—low, humming, ancient. Maybe it’s a siren calling from a forgotten Southern shore, or the echo of Datura blooming under an October moon. Or maybe—just maybe—it’s the land calling back.Tonight, we’re following that sound through Tori Amos’ most Southern-infused songs—the ones laced with heat, history, and a little bit of blood memory.Now, let’s put our alligator boots in the dirt. Yes, Tori was born in North Carolina, but she grew up in Maryland—Southern enough if you’re feeling generous, but let’s be honest, it’s not exactly Dixie. Still, this lizard woman knows the South. The places where time bends a little differently. Her Cherokee blood runs deep, and her family’s history is carved into the land like a story waiting to be sung. And yes, the song lines, they do indeed sing.Whether she’s summoning the turquoise serpents, calling out to the Merman in a rising tide, we’re mapping out a Tori playlist where the South isn’t just a place—it’s a feeling. And if we get lost along the way, well… we’ll just drive all night until we find our way back.So let’s go to her Southern land of gold. Just go. Tonight we are Introverted but willing to mess with a southern girl.Playlists:JVKKMM

Known for her dramatic intensity and often-dark, broodingly romantic compositions, Tori Amos has perhaps unfairly gotten a reputation for being very, very serious. To be fair, sometimes she is (and we love it!). However, contrary to popular belief, when you take a closer look, Tori also has an extremely funny side. Her particular tongue-in-cheek brand of wit often translates directly into key songs that provide moments of oppositional levity and sweet relief amidst some of her most emotionally-searing sonic landscapes. Tori Amos’ “Silly Songs” have always been a part of the fabric of her musical worlds and are well-documented, but they were officially named in 1996 with the release of several b-sides that directly contradicted the more bleak album tracks from the legendary Boys For Pele. Songs like “Graveyard”, “Toodles Mr. Jim”, and “That’s What I Like Mick (The Sandwich Song”) gave listeners a warm, welcomed glimpse of Tori’s slightly left of center sense of humor, while still fully highlighting her musical chops. Whether she’s almost running over an angel, smacking down George Bush Jr with a sassy “who’s your daddy?” or chatting up God to confess her foodie sins, it is important to remember Tori is not afraid to be a ‘lil silly (as beautifully evidenced in her most recent release: the whimsical new music for her New York Time best-selling children’s book Tori and the Muses). So keep your hoochie, program your sodas and join Kristen, Matt and Joey in the Faerie Workshop to explore the magical, playful world of Tori Amos’ Silly Songs, where laughter and joy are an inevitability, and where a wide variety of artisanal baked goods are essential to the narrative.MM playlistKK playlist JV playlist

Tori Amos’ expansive body of work over the past 30-plus years has covered most musical terrain. From confessional outpourings of emotion, to thunderously-programmed electronic beats, blips and whirrs, to stinging guitar-driven diatribes directed at the religious Right, Tori has become known as both an architect and an adventurer, as well as a consummate player. She has transcended the “singer-songwriter” or “girl with a piano” labels once assigned to her to become one of the most important figures in contemporary popular music. With hundreds of beloved, canonical songs under her belt, it would be a fool’s errand to try and discern what Tori’s 20 best songs of all time are, right? Well, friends, we are just crazy enough to try and grab that bull by the horns: On this episode, Kristen, Matt and Joey spend an enchanted evening testing their close knit friendship by voting with weighted, secret ballots that were cast to answer an impossible, eternal question: what are Tori Amos’ 20 BEST songs, ranked? We’re trying out a several new things on this episode, starting with the concept: we dont usually do ranking here, we rearrange or reimagine our playlists, but this time we dare to count down to the greatest Tori Amos track of all-time. The results are a wild ride. We also typically make three separate playlists for each episode, but tonight we have focused our dark powers to vote on and create one collaborative playlist that we voted on anonymously. Kristen and Matt react to the list reveal in real time, making for a raucous discussion about what exactly constitutes “the best of Tori Amos”. So please join us for a conversation that somehow miraculously doesn’t go off the rails and let us know in the comments what you think of our lil list…and also share your own! Remember, this is “best of” and not “favorite”. Good luck. 🙃Group playlist available on Spotify!

On a storied, starry night in Nashville, in 2023, Tori Amos stopped what she was doing, and asked the audience if she should release a record full of unreleased songs. While we don’t yet have an exact answer on the fate of this project, it got us thinking: what existing songs would we add to our own personal B-sides & Non-album tracks playlists? The possibilities are infinite! In this new episode, Joey, Kristen, and Matt kick off the second season of their podcast chatting about some of their favorite redheaded singer-songwriter’s most sought-after compositions and the complex history behind songs that have truly stood the test of time just as much as some of the songs on her albums. We are now ‘Introverted But Willing To Discuss Tori Amos…’ (formerly known as Messing with the Master: Tori Amos), but our mission remains the same: sharing our thoughts and experiences gained from a close 20+ year friendship that began with a shared passion for Tori’s work. So join us as we delve into the significance of her B-sides and Non-album tracks, and discuss how these tracks often hold a special place in the hearts of fans, thanks to the magical, unique storytelling that accompanies them. Listen to our playlists here: Listen to our playlists here: KK: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3sj1sXoE5855kThAx1f9Yp?si=b0940fd33d0c43f5 MM: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0L5iFktEcJ7MVrQ9CH8CNB?si=qYQ8Bqj6TymeHa3dUiYrDw&pi=u-0xtfRXDGSIuV JV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL8uVQiRVdY&list=PLyU7AGxcKJ1PkR8sEGhTRUJ_D7aRhHyM4 YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmSZiNt44k0&list=PLyU7AGxcKJ1OucEMokJ40YRlrcQhC7fPT

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It's a HOLIDAY (POSSE) BONUS! In this very special holiday episode of 'Messing With The Master', we delve into Tori Amos's holiday music across many decades, exploring her artistic evolution, personal memories of that amazing Midwinter Graces promo tour, and the significance of family in her work. We discuss the impact of Tori's upbringing and her respect for holiday traditions, while acknowledging that The Woman We Call Tori can rock the fuck out of anything, including Christmas music. Playlists: MM  KK JV

In terms of narrative, composition and sheer scope as a record, Boys for Pele is one of the most audacious “pop” records to come out of the 1990s. Make no mistake: despite its twisty narrative, mysteriously confrontational lyrics and non-traditional take on song structure, Pele was a considerable mainstream success, selling more than 2 million copies worldwide and going platinum in the United States. Part harrowing journey into darkness and fury, part coming to terms with the aftermath of a shattered psyche, Boys for Pele might actually be the anti-pop record. Ironically, Tori’s biggest-selling single off the record (her biggest-selling single of all time), was a club mix of the Southern Gothic tale of madness and revenge “Professional Widow” that focuses on the lyric “it’s gotta be big.” Those who entered into this disorienting, often sinister world expecting a four on the floor rave were instead greeted by a smoky, deeply-complex rumination on one woman’s singular version of The Blues. The album finds Tori in a fugue descending into a hallucinatory abyss of anger, despair and confusion; the cathartic kind that evokes the wrenching neurotic pain of a genteel Blanche Dubois cracking in A Streetcar Named Desire. Its roots are distinctly rooted in the deeply soulful, deeply-odd South that might have been written about by Flannery O’Connor or filmed by D.W. Griffith, which is reflected in the choices made for the album’s artwork: Tori appears as the guardian of ghostly, forgotten children much like Lillian Gish does in the 1955 film The Night of the Hunter. All of these works are both branded with the red-hot iron of righteous Christianity and haunted by the foul-smelling sulfuric specter of the Devil himself. It is that unholy and unsettling bilocation and brilliant intertextuality that marks a true literary work of genius, artistic masterpiece, or any consummate objet d’art, all of which are applicable lenses through which to view an intimate, intricate, and positively harrowing work such as Boys for Pele. Categorization is futile, but the ways in which Pele can be read are staggering. Playlists: KK MM JV

“I think the thing that just astounds me about Tori is that she can take a bit of something like a melody or harmonic sequence for some of these pieces that were the inspiration and create something truly her own, showing how truly powerful her own creative stamp is. I think of Night of Hunters as a 70-minute song with 30 pieces of music held together by 13 sets of interlocking lyrics. Now that’s composing! Tori was able to keep the narrative in my head at all times, very articulated and intricate. T would make sure I totally got it, explaining every facet and background info in just amazing detail. The story became flesh and blood, for me as it was for Tori. I have to confess that it was bliss working with T on Night of Hunters. We talked for at least one hundred hours about this record. The amount emotions and deliberations and ponderings and weighing was incredible. [This is] the most complex project I think I personally have worked on, from musical/dramatic perspective for sure, but what was evenheavier was the emotional investment — the dreams, the considerations of narrative. Every few bars mood changes slightly, very little is repeated. As far as style, and that would include harmonic choices and variations, melodies and variation, Tori has used this language since we first worked together. What has changed is her intensity, the refinement of this language, centering on the narrative. This , I think, is the driving force behind all of Tori”s music, and on this record for Deutsche Grammophon, she can use all of of her creativity, unbounded and without the restraint of ‘pop’ convention to make a extended multidimensional narrative, dramatic and compelling,and this includes her vocal and piano performances.” John Philip Shenale - Night of Hunters Composer, Arranger and Collaborator to Matt Mazur, 2011. Playlists: Joey Matty Kristen