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Author: Linnea and John

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This is not another therapy podcast. This podcast is secretly about friendship.

John and Linnea met at very strange times in their lives. A time where they came together from very different backgrounds and had to work on a big project together.

Through the years, they have gone from coworkers, to enemies, to friends, to podcast cohosts together.

Each week they choose a theme to talk about and chit chat and (sometimes) make art about the topic. They share their insights and get curious with each other.

Sometimes they bring on special guests (their friends) to chat about topics that are near and dear to their heart.

This is not a clinical therapy podcast, but more snippets of two friends talking about life, with growth as a key thread that gets woven within.

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In this episode John and Linnea do the hard things, and talk about it. John takes the lead on reading out the written questions, and Linnea does her best at not laughing at him. They talk about when their self-sabotage comes out, and discuss whether there are tell tale signs that it may pop up. They talk about the value of rest, and how sometimes pushing through isn't the answer. (Linnea has not quiet figures that one out yet, but give her time). Embarrassment comes up, as it always does, a side effect of getting out of your comfort zone. Linnea shares her new trick for helper her feel less embarrassed in various moments. (spoiler alert, it is very much about Fight Club). Shout out to Beaver Boxing in Ottawa for making space for Linnea. If you have ever sabotaged yourself and maybe still getting over it, this might be the episode for you.
In this episode John and Linnea exchange their most shareable failures. Cringe? Embarrassing? Questionable? Yep, we got you covered?Why? Because we know we learn from failure if you let it be so. We grown when we learn. So yeah, embrace failure if you can?The episode goes back to moving through the discomfort, and knowing that it is only temporary. It is ok to linger in the ick, but maybe we don't wanna stay there for long? Cause what comes after the ick, what comes after we do the thing we were avoiding? mysteryIf you are wallowing in self-pity/shame/guilt? This might be the episode for you.
In this episode John and Linnea meet with legendary maritime boxer, Arron Kinch. Boxing since age ten, this guys episode really backs some punch. Have you ever waited two weeks to seek out medical attention after breaking your back? Well we don't recommend it, and neither does Aaron, and he speaks from experience. Aaron is not only a tough fighter, but an awesome coach to many, of all ages and abilities?Think you are too old to start boxing, tell that to one of Aaron's athletes who started boxing in their 90's. Aaron teaches us that it is never to late to try something new.He also shows us the power of getting back up. Never stop fighting, cause you never know where you might end up.
In this episode, we sit down with the incredibly multi-talented Taylor. Honestly, it would probably take a full hour just to list all the things she’s accomplished. Taylor is a proud Mi'kmaw women, national wrestler, a wrestling coach, a talented multimedia artist, a brand ambassador, a natural storyteller, and a proud dog mom. She also happens to do a very convincing impression of male wrestlers. Oh, and she’s a TV show winner too — seriously.Taylor originally connected with John through the wrestling world, and in this conversation she shares stories from her journey in the sport, including making it to Worlds twice. Taylor speaks candidly about the role failure has played in her growth, and how resilience, persistence, and learning to get back up again are all part of the process.Throughout the episode, the idea of balance keeps resurfacing. Together, they explore the many ways people define health and success, and how sometimes the most important thing is simply returning to who we are at our core.Stay tuned for some shout-outs at the end.
Episode 40: Growth

Episode 40: Growth

2026-03-0159:16

In this episode, John and Linnea talk about the many aspects of growth. John shares his stories of his physical growth from scronny teenager to muscle man (with scronny teenager legs). They discuss what helps us grow (what stops growth) and stress the importance of community in keeping moment and consistency. They talk about learning, and challenges they have overcome. They get a tad vulnerable and weird. But hey, they have come far enough with the pod that they can do that now. This is the episode where they realize that they are no longer nervous before recording. When they are recording, they are having a good time. They feel confident and secure enough (even when reading out loud for the first time). We hope you have as much fun listening to this, as we did recording. <123 Thanks for sticking around.
In this episode John and Linnea discuss confidence. Or they try to at least. They go off book of course. Topics that surface in discussion included imposter syndrome and how each of them navigated the times in their lives when they were struggling to feel confident in their tasks. Take homes-encourage your friends and neighbours to Mae art-stay consistent, sometimes just showing up is all we have to do-the key to success is to have fun while working at it, and don’t be afraid to walk away-know that you can get past "the break"-confidence grows in discomfort**** yes please?
Episode 38-Kevin-Sode

Episode 38-Kevin-Sode

2026-02-0801:14:18

In this episode, John and Linnea connect with John's first wrestling coach. We hear stories of what John was like at the tender age at 16. Coach Kevin, avid traveller, writer, DND master, teacher turned therapist, shares his stories of writing and adventure, as he speaks therapeutic wisdom to all out listeners out there. In classic John and Linnea fashion, we go off our intended path of hearing all about Kevin's writing successes and we get lost in the discussion which inevitably covers all sorts of life's musings. Kevin has graciously shared some resources with us, which we will include. For those interested in his writing, check out his site, Lighter Than Paper, you will also find the link to his podcast there. https://www.lighterthanpapers.com/For DND/ DM inquires check out this link:https://www.northerndungeonmaster.com/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBExNXJFckdUalFGdXUwV1ZXanNydGMGYXBwX2lkEDIyMjAzOTE3ODgyMDA4OTIAAR6gVs0SjXJP0TT-pAkDKWQkGYGi4ZVfNJXcDpX2DGGL_mkjhaV0X5nOU9xYFw_aem_8-h45AJca_gOXLN8sCAuzgFor the link to his counselling practice check this out:https://www.meaningfulcounselling.com/Also, shout out to Ottawa's local print shop, Octopus Studio:https://octopusstudio.ca
In this episode John and Linnea talk about videos games, primarily from a player's perspective. They talk about their favourite videos, and how certain games ( Sims and Red Dead) that provide us with an alternative world and give them the chance to be other versions of themselves. They nerd out over early video games, and how it gave them a chance to connect and cooperate with friends. They dive into how video games can be helpful for us, but always ways when it can get less than healthy. Do you have a dream video game you would want to exist? What would it include?#earfirst
In this episode, John and Linnea each bring three pieces of art to share and discuss. Linnea makes a list of questions beforehand for them to use as inspiration. (Feel free to use them next time you ask your friends about their art!). Linnea and John both share pieces about their complicated and at times confusing relationship with the never changing landscape of technology and AI. And through their discussions, they find some alright aspects of technology. (Also, technology makes this podcast possible, so thanks for that I guess?)One of John's pieces is an homage to Linnea favourite movie. (Which we almost ironically talk more about then Tyler says we can....). Linnea shows off an altered book she has been working on, thanks a local (Kempville Ontatio) art therapist. (Painted Key). The questions mentioned are below: (Unedited, you'll have to figure out what we mean, lol)1-Describe your art to me, include as much (or as little detail as you wish)2-Where did the idea/inspiration come from?3-What was the process like?4-how is this similar/different from what you have made in the past, why do you think that.5-(We accidentally forgot this one, my bad)6-fav/least favourite part of this piece? Neutral?7-Does it evoke any feelings or emotions?8-Did you learn anything or gain any insights while making this?9-What questions or questions do you want people to ask when they see your art?/ how do you want people to interact with it?10-have any new insights been gained from having asked these questions?
In this episode we talk about New Years resolutions and goal setting. Can you guess which one of us is not a fan of resolutions?John gets enthusiastic about his Spanish lessons, and shares some of the art that he has been making. We chat about the thins that help and the things that slow us down.Linnea learn (relearns?) what smart goals are, but still sticks to her own way. John gives us a pep talk on sticking with goals, and encourages you to share what you want to achieve with your friends. How do you set goals? Do you even think goals are worth setting?Linnea commits to sharing art this year, so If you want some art, hit us up!Also, do you want to be a guest on our podcast? Give us a shout out! We wanna hear from you!
Episode 34: Capitalism

Episode 34: Capitalism

2026-01-1101:02:19

In this episode John and Linnea dive into the wild and at times sad world of capitalism. Fresh of the spending sprees of the holiday season, they sit and discuss their favourite(?) and least favourite parts of capitalism. Discussing their favourite local stores to shop at and support. John tries to sell people on Costco, and enthuses about the 1 dollar hot dog, which frank-ly, (hot dog pun!) we need more then ever. (And guess what, Linnea is not buying it)We share tales of our favourite ways to protest capitalism, and exchange experiences with some cool folks in the world who are fighting the system. John comes up with yet another business idea, providing interventions for billionaires, in hopes of filling the hole in their hearts with woodworking and meaningful connections. In the end, you might feel hopeless as the system is so large and beyond our control. Linnea finds comfort in making crafts (but what else is new?). This episode might not give you all the solutions but at least you are not alone.
In this episode, John and Linnea dig into their fears, curiosities, and complicated feelings about technology and the rapidly shifting digital world we’re all trying to live inside of. From flatchulent cows and climate anxiety to AI slop, algorithm fatigue, and the strange emotional weight of social media, the conversation moves between humour, discomfort, and genuine reflection. (Like how can I get more real cats in my reels?) We talk openly about the ways technology both connects and disconnects us, and how easy it is to feel overwhelmed, suspicious, or burnt out by it all.As always, art weaves its way into the conversation. We invite listeners to make art about their own experiences of navigating this weird technological landscape — the fears, the grief, the fascination, and the hope (if you can find any?)— as a way to process what words sometimes can’t quite hold.True to form, we also circle back to the importance of real-life connection. We gently (and not-so-gently) encourage people to engage with others IRL, with John making a strong case for shared physical space — including the underrated intimacy of simply existing in the same room temperature — as a key ingredient for meaningful connection.John opens the episode with the intention that listeners leave feeling a little more hopeful than when they arrived. While we don’t pretend to have answers or solutions, (or even knowledge on most of the things we yap about...) this episode offers curiosity, laughter, and a reminder that even in a hyper-digital world, being human together still matters.
In this episode, John and Linnea settle into the holiday spirit with a light exploration of the meaning and history of the winter solstice. We share some of our favourite holiday movies, from nostalgic classics to questionable cult picks, and debate which ones truly deserve a spot in the yearly rewatch lineup. Along the way, we reminisce about the weird, wonderful, and downright confusing Christmas gifts we’ve received over the years.We also talk about how holiday traditions shift as we grow older, what parts still feel grounding, and why certain rituals stick around. Of course, things get lively when we reveal our controversial favourite Christmas movies—prepare for strong opinions and unexpected choices. Cozy, curious, and full of laughter, this episode invites you to reflect on your own seasonal memories and maybe discover a new favourite holiday film to watch this year.
In this episode, we sit down with Johnny of Clay More Studios, a young East Coast artist known for his stunning painted landscapes and hands-on work with clay. Johnny shares how he first found his way into art and what keeps him committed to learning and growing as an artist. We talk about his exploratory, self-directed approach to creativity, curiosity, and skill-building. And, of course, no conversation would be complete without detours into Godzilla, Lord of the Rings, and the unexpected ways pop culture shapes creative inspiration.
Episode 30: Break-Ups

Episode 30: Break-Ups

2025-12-0739:08

In this episode, John and Linnea dive into the often heavy—and at times strangely universal—experience of breakups. With December 11th being the most common day to get broken up with, we wanted to release this episode for anyone who might (unfortunately) need a bit of extra support right now.Breakups are never simple. They touch every part of us: our routines, our self-confidence, our hopes, and sometimes our sense of who we are. In this conversation, we talk about the messy emotions that come with heartbreak, why it can feel so overwhelming, and the very human ways we try to make sense of it all.We also share grounding advice, creative strategies, and gentle reminders to help you move through the toughest moments. Whether you’re grieving the end of a relationship, reflecting on past heartbreak, or simply curious how others navigate the in-between, this episode offers compassion, humour, and a bit of perspective.Breakups are hard—but you don’t have to sit in those heavy feels alone.
In this episode we bring on Nico, a longtime friend of John and an ultra-distance runner who casually covers more than 100 kilometres at a time—basically the length of a small road trip. Nico now lives on Vancouver Island, arguably one of the best places in Canada to be a long-distance runner. He and his partner also host a podcast called PEP Talk, where they dive into all things endurance running.Nico shares stories of resilience, the dedication behind his craft, and what it truly takes—physically and mentally—to run distances most of us can’t even imagine. His grit and mindset leave Linnea in awe, while John (in classic John fashion) urges listeners to go for a run… or at least enjoy a nice outdoor walk if that’s more your pace.If you want to learn more about Nico, check out his coaching insta account
In this episode, we meet Nova Scotia’s very own C-Stile — a rapper, performer, and all-around hyper-fun good-time girl. She shares how music has shaped her life since childhood, the eclectic sounds she grew up with, and how she turned her dream of becoming a rapper into a reality. John talks about the kindness and encouragement C-Stile brings to the gym they both attend, and her enthusiasm and sweet energy shine throughout the episode.C-Stile opens up about her writing process and, at the end of the conversation, she shares her newest track — a Christmas song. The conversation leaves both John and Linnea glowing, inspired, and carried by C-Stile’s unmistakable shine.
In this episode, we connect with international filmmaker Antonio Herrera Trujillo. John (along with countless people across the internet) was captivated by a viral video Antonio filmed during an unexpected fight he witnessed in Madagascar. The clip sparked our curiosity, and we were eager to learn more about the person behind the camera.Antonio talks about how he first stepped into the world of filmmaking in his beloved oceanside town, a place known for its powerful winds and thriving wind-sport community. He reflects on how the landscape, the people, and the rhythm of coastal life shaped his creative eye.John dives into what makes Antonio’s videos so engaging and inspiring, and Antonio walks us through how he’s honed his craft—learning to capture the best shots, trusting his instincts, and teaching himself to edit with both intention and emotion.Our conversation left us energized, grateful, and ready to pick up our own cameras. Antonio reminded us that filmmaking isn’t only about dramatic moments; it’s also about staying open to everyday beauty, paying attention to the small details that surround us, and letting curiosity guide the lens.
In this episode, we welcome the delightful Art Therapist Taylor from Wellness Grove. Together, we explore some of the big—and sometimes heavy—feelings that surface in response to our changing climate. Taylor guides us through supportive, playful tools that can help us move through these emotions with care and creativity.We start by asking how climate-related feelings show up for people in their daily lives. From there, we unpack the differences between eco-grief, eco-anxiety, and a new term Linnea learned during the conversation: solastalgia. Taylor offers grounded definitions and shares how these feelings can be understood through both an emotional and creative lens.We also talk about the power of local action. What can ordinary people do in their neighbourhoods to ease eco-stress and build resilience? Taylor highlights simple, accessible ways to contribute, reminding us that community care and environmental care often go hand in hand.Before we wrap up, John brings in a dose of hope by sharing his own efforts to make thoughtful, sustainable choices. Taylor closes the conversation by reconnecting us to her lifelong love of nature and art making. She offers an open invitation for listeners to slow down, notice the natural world around them, and nurture a sense of appreciation and connection.
In this episode, we bring in Linnea’s good friend and former art school classmate, John. In addition to being a talented painter and ceramicist, John is also a passionate mental health advocate and a student in Carleton University’s Industrial Design program. He and Linnea have had countless conversations about how designers today are invited to engage with topics like sustainability and longevity.The intention behind this episode was to highlight the positive changes happening in the design world and lay some hopeful groundwork for our next episode, where we explore climate anxiety, grief, and other big feelings. But as often happens, the conversation took an unexpected turn — a little doom and gloom slipped in. Who would have guessed that talking about the environment could actually leave us feeling hopeful?In true Josiah (our other John) fashion, he swoops in with some uplifting thoughts, reminding us to do our best — and to trust that others are doing their best, too. How fun.
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