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Author: Chip Conley

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The Midlife Chrysalis is a one-hour podcast hosted by Chip Conley, bestselling author of Learning to Love Midlife and founder of MEA (Modern Elder Academy). Chip and his high-profile guests – including Maria Shriver, Hoda Kotb, Elizabeth Gilbert, Michael Franti, and more – dive into raw, vulnerable conversations about the profound transitions they’ve experienced in midlife.

Listeners get a rare look at how even the most successful individuals have to navigate life’s pivotal changes – and gain practical wisdom they can apply in their own lives for a more fulfilling and purposeful next chapter.
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Eleven years after losing her husband, the pain has changed. The love hasn’t.Dr. Lucy Kalanithi, physician and widow of Paul Kalanithi, author of When Breath Becomes Air, joins Chip Conley for a deeply personal conversation about grief, caregiving, uncertainty, and building a meaningful life after profound loss.Drawing on her experience as a wife, mother, caregiver, and doctor, Lucy shares what more than a decade of living with grief has taught her:Why death doesn’t necessarily end our relationship with someone we loveHow grief changes over time, even when the love remainsWhy caregivers need permission to ask for help and protect themselvesHow losing Paul changed the way she cares for patients and their familiesHow to live with uncertainty when there are no clear answersWatch the full episode for a moving perspective on love, loss, and what it means to keep living when life changes forever.Timestamps:(04:14) Lucy Kalanithi’s Story(05:20) When Breath Becomes Air(06:40) Staying Connected After Loss(13:20) How Grief Changes Over Time(14:18) Advice for Living With Grief(16:04) How Loss Changed Her as a Doctor(18:44) The Reality of Caregiving(21:06) What Caregivers Really Need(23:45) Living With Uncertainty(27:33) Finding Acceptance in the Unknown(31:42) Serenity, Courage, and Wisdom(35:05) Raising a Child After Loss(38:13) Wisdom Bumper StickerLearn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/Be part of the conversation at the End Well Conference in Los Angeles on November 12, where Lucy Kalanithi and Chip Conley will take the stage to explore how we can live, care, and face life’s biggest transitions with greater meaning.Learn more and get tickets: https://endwellproject.org/end-well-2026/#LucyKalanithi #PaulKalanithi #WhenBreathBecomesAir #Grief #LifeAfterLoss #LoveAfterLoss #Bereavement #Caregiving #LivingWithLoss #Mortality #Uncertainty #Acceptance #MidlifeWisdom #ChipConley #MidlifeChrysalis
Jonathan Rauch had reached the top of his career, yet each year he felt less satisfied. Then came the loss of his parents, his job, and a startup he had tried to build. To his surprise, his sense of contentment began to grow.Rauch is a journalist and the author of The Happiness Curve, The Constitution of Knowledge, and Cross Purposes. He joins Chip Conley to explore what his personal experience and research reveal about getting older, and why the future looks more troubling for younger adults.In this conversation:Why achievement does not always bring the happiness we expectWhy life satisfaction often rises after 50, even through setbacksWhy young adults’ loss of hope concerns RauchWhy free speech alone is not enough to establish what is trueHow wisdom helps us navigate conflict, and why it can be taughtWatch for an honest, thought-provoking conversation about happiness, truth, and the value of staying curious throughout life.Timestamps:03:49 Seeing what others miss06:59 The midlife happiness curve10:31 Why life can get better after 5012:21 Why young adults are losing hope15:49 How society knows what is true20:57 Wisdom in an age of disinformation24:53 Advice for the next generation26:34 Staying curious as we ageLearn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/#JonathanRauch #ChipConley #TheHappinessCurve #HappinessAfter50 #MidlifeHappiness #AgingWell #LifeSatisfaction #YoungAdultHappiness #Wisdom #Truth #Disinformation #ConstitutionOfKnowledge #ModernElder #MidlifeWisdom #Curiosity
Being the person who saves the day feels good. But letting someone else do it can make you a better leader.MEA founder Chip Conley joins Derek Gehl to talk about one of the hardest changes in his career: moving from hero to coach. Chip shares how he is learning to step back, trust his team, and make room for others to lead.Why having all the answers can hold your team backHow asking questions helps others grow into leadersWhy purpose matters as an organization gets biggerHow to build something that can thrive without youWhat leadership can become in your next chapterWatch the full episode to hear Chip’s candid take on letting go and leading with greater wisdom.Timestamps:(00:00) Intro(02:30) From Hero to Coach(04:39) Bill George and Purpose Driven Leadership(07:40) Learning to Lead Together(10:06) Servant Leadership(11:20) Finding Meaning in Work(12:31) Leadership as a Practice(14:19) Building Culture Across an Organization(16:09) Building an Organization That Thrives Without You(18:25) Your Next Chapter of Leadership(22:48) The Bill George Workshop(25:17) A Leadership ExperimentLearn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/Listen to the podcast episode with Bill George, CEO of Medtronic: https://youtu.be/M9PuSyubTB0#ChipConley #Leadership #LeadershipDevelopment #WiseLeadership #MidlifeLeadership #ServantLeadership #FounderLeadership #LeadershipCoaching #Mentorship #PurposeDrivenLeadership #OrganizationalCulture #BillGeorge #ModernElder #WisdomWednesdays #TeamLeadership
Success can look impressive on a résumé and still leave you wondering who you really are.At 76, Harvard Business School professor and former Morgan Stanley executive Thomas DeLong is rethinking some of the biggest lessons he has learned about leadership, courage, relationships, and success. In this conversation with Chip Conley, he reflects on:Why letting go of control can deepen relationshipsHow to move from image management to essenceWhy vulnerability is a powerful form of courageHow inherited success scripts can define the path we followWhy later life is about investing wisdom, not just retiringFrom family and leadership to identity and aging, DeLong shares the hard-earned lessons that have changed how he sees himself and the people around him.Watch now for a deeply personal conversation about letting go, finding courage, and defining success on your own terms.Timestamps:(02:40) Letting Go of Control(04:31) Building Closer Relationships(07:20) Vulnerability With His Daughters(09:35) Courage and Self-Doubt(13:00) Courageous Life Decisions(16:45) From Image to Essence(20:44) Changing Leadership at Morgan Stanley(23:38) The Parable of the Sadhu(26:04) Measuring a Meaningful Life(30:58) Investing Wisdom in the Next Decade(34:00) Sing Loudly and in Harmony(36:10) Breaking Free From the Success Script(38:36) A New Definition of SuccessLearn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/Watch Chip’s Soul Biography, created by filmmaker Nic Askew: MEAWisdom.com/Soul#ThomasDeLong #ChipConley #MidlifeChrysalis #HarvardBusinessSchool #Leadership #RedefiningSuccess #PersonalGrowth #SelfAcceptance #Vulnerability #Courage #LettingGo #MidlifeWisdom #AuthenticLeadership #LifeLessons #HealthyAging
Sometimes the most powerful way forward begins by doing less.Filmmaker Nic Askew has spent more than two decades capturing what happens when people stop performing and simply allow themselves to be seen. Through his Soul Biographies, he has discovered a different way of approaching connection, identity, and life itself.In this episode, Nic explores:Why “starting with nothing” can reveal what effort cannotHow stillness creates space for the soul rather than the ego to leadWhy doing less can help us truly see and connect with othersHow letting go of control can reveal what comes next in lifeIt’s a fascinating conversation about soul, human connection, and learning to let life lead.Watch the full episode and discover the power of starting with nothing. Timestamps:(03:24) Discovering Filmmaking at Midlife(04:18) Picking Up a Camera(08:54) A Calling Out of Nowhere(12:14) Starting With Nothing(16:53) The Soul Biographies(17:32) Speaking From Ego vs. Soul(19:17) Letting Life Lead(23:48) Stillness Before Action(28:13) Truly Seeing Others(31:07) Deepening Connection(37:34) Filming the MEA Community(42:13) Seeing Beyond the Persona(46:51) Nic’s Life Wisdom The Soul of MEA, the link is: MEAWisdom.com/SoulLearn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/#NicAskew⁠ ⁠#SoulBiographies⁠ ⁠#Midlife⁠ ⁠#MidlifeTransformation⁠ ⁠#PersonalGrowth⁠ ⁠#SelfDiscovery⁠ ⁠#AuthenticLiving⁠ ⁠#LifePurpose⁠ ⁠#HumanConnection⁠ ⁠#Stillness⁠ ⁠#SoulWork⁠ ⁠#MidlifeWisdom⁠ ⁠#LetLifeLead⁠ ⁠#Presence⁠ ⁠#MEA
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