The Peterman Pod

This is Adam Ernst, a Distinguished Engineer at Meta (IC9) who’s built iOS infrastructure that has impacted the entire company. We talked about how his career grew, a major failed project of his, and everything he learned growing to that level.🔸 My keyboard project link: https://read.compose.llc/p/our-keyboard-design-reveal𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• YouTube: https://youtu.be/YA_OYJF3Mmw• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/meta-distinguished-eng-ic9-on-influencing𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:47 - His middle school company00:03:50 - His first project and promo at Meta00:10:03 - Why code review is undervalued00:12:42 - Senior Staff (IC7) promo story and project00:19:26 - His major failed project00:26:35 - How to handle a failed project00:29:04 - Thoughts on management00:31:35 - Technical depth vs breadth00:33:32 - IC9 expectations00:34:46 - Senior engineers he admires00:37:39 - Advice for his younger self00:39:52 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗔𝗱𝗮𝗺:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjernst/𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Ryan Olson grew from mid-level engineer (IC4) to a principal engineer (IC8) at Instagram through a series of famous projects. The most notable was when he was the lead iOS developer that built Instagram Stories. We discuss his career journey and learnings.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/instagram-principal-eng-ic8-on-building• Spotify: Episode link from Spotify after scheduling• YouTube: https://youtu.be/gpVETZnY9Y0• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835• Zuckerberg emails I mentioned:Twitter link: https://x.com/TechEmails/status/1944451283236303184Threads link: https://www.threads.com/@techemails/post/DMDi5IWpPyC𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:31 - Failing his FB interview00:03:27 - Interning /w future billionaires00:14:08 - Interview nerves tip00:16:37 - Early Instagram experiences00:34:08 - Building Instagram Stories00:45:03 - 1 promo per half to Staff (IC6)00:49:51 - Senior staff promo project (IC7)00:57:37 - IG labs & his principal promo (IC8)01:08:19 - Starting Retro and leaving big tech01:21:33 - Small teams hypothetical01:25:17 - Examples of talented individuals01:31:16 - Advice to his younger self01:34:45 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Retro (his company): https://retro.app/• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanolsonk/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanolsonk• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanolsonk/ • Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanolsonk𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

In this episode, I talked to "Asian Dad Energy" an anonymous big techie who was laid off after 25 years in the industry. We discussed his layoffs experience, his early career in engineering consulting, and the realities of big tech compensation.🔸 My keyboard project link: https://read.compose.llc/p/our-keyboard-design-reveal𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• YouTube: https://youtu.be/8bs6KmJX4_g• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ApCuf04MXv0nBRqKNLyiQ?si=bko-M46xQM2FHhTG6Vcy6Q• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/laid-off-from-big-tech-after-25-years𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:41 - His layoff story00:07:02 - Why he expects more layoffs00:09:42 - Tech consulting before big tech00:19:25 - Consultants shipping bad code?00:26:57 - Why do people dislike consultants?00:30:55 - Big tech compensation00:40:27 - When age impacted his flexibility00:42:04 - Why YouTube00:46:46 - Speaking advice for engineers00:49:09 - Advice for younger self00:49:35 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗶𝗺:• https://www.youtube.com/@AsianDadEnergy𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

In this episode, I talked to Nimit Sohoni, a Stanford PhD and AI Researcher at Cartesia who previously worked as a quant at Citadel. We discussed the differences between AI research and quant careers, including work-life balance and the value of a PhD in these fields. Nimit also shared what he's currently working on and offered advice for those looking to transition into AI research.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• YouTube: https://youtu.be/_jECS37M3dQ• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/stanford-phd-ai-researcher-and-quant𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:45 - Do you need a PhD?00:06:25 - Research taste and finding problems00:09:04 - Why become a quant00:12:01 - What quants do00:14:53 - How quants and SWEs collaborate00:16:29 - Quant vs tech culture00:26:39 - Quant firm tier list00:27:56 - Quant insider trading and perf culture00:30:53 - Going back to AI research00:35:08 - Who the top competitors are in voice AI00:39:22 - AI startups vs big labs00:42:08 - State space models vs transformers00:49:33 - AI labs: research or product?00:52:38 - Advice for SWEs who want to try AI research00:56:48 - Advice for younger self00:57:49 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗡𝗶𝗺𝗶𝘁:• Twitter/X: https://x.com/nimit_sohoni• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nimit-sohoni-68998854/• Cartesia: https://cartesia.ai/sonic𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

In this episode, I talked to Igor, a senior staff engineer who has worked at Meta, Google, and Cruise. We discussed his experience of wanting a demotion at Meta and the challenges he faced in that process.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• YouTube: https://youtu.be/i1iBweuOQI4• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/meta-senior-staff-ic7-engs-honest𝗘𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Igor's post: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7401415295409700864/𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:37 - Why he wanted a demotion00:07:32 - Why Senior Staff at Meta was different00:16:01 - Meta vs Google culture00:19:09 - Downleveling at Google00:23:17 - Why he's willing to be transparent00:25:11 - Best quality of life eng level00:30:42 - Senior Staff promo at Google00:42:27 - Mentorship stories00:43:11 - Biggest career regret00:46:46 - Advice for younger self00:49:06 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗜𝗴𝗼𝗿:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/igorts/• ML basics youtube videos he made: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVcptlT8D7DgN5FtLMFUdHb5pJXW1g0YL𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Laurent Charignon was a Staff engineer at Stripe, Airbnb, and Instagram with some experience in management as well. We discussed the unspoken rules you learn as a manager, how he transitioned, what good mentorship looks like, and advice for senior engineers who are stuck looking to grow to Staff.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/airbnb-staff-eng-on-how-to-not-get• YouTube: https://youtu.be/cgQY_1Uz2b8• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:44 - Joining Airbnb and transitioning to EM00:18:29 - Untold rules of calibrations00:23:50 - How to dispute bureaucracy00:29:54 - Airbnb culture00:31:36 - Leaving Airbnb for Meta00:35:56 - Uber TL at Stripe00:42:52 - How to scale yourself00:45:22 - What people get wrong in coaching00:52:58 - Why people get stuck at Senior eng00:57:24 - Most career impacting book00:58:39 - Advice for younger self01:00:27 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗟𝗮𝘂𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurentcharignon/• Personal Website: https://blog.laurentcharignon.com/• Twitter/X: https://x.com/lc2817𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Adrien Friggeri went from a new grad to a principal engineer (IC8) at Meta. He is the original TL who started Bento if you’re familiar with that infra at the company. He got to where he was through a series of promotions across different teams and projects. I interviewed him about everything he learned along the way𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/new-grad-to-principal-engineer-ic8• YouTube: https://youtu.be/2Sjzd9pt6Ts• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00 - Intro00:43 - First team at FB07:24 - Senior promo /w IG16:30 - Story behind Bento (Senior staff promo)25:33 - Taking on perf risk to start the project29:03 - Learnings from leaving big tech32:46 - Joining Clubhouse35:08 - Return to Meta (again)40:51 - Principal promo (IC8) and tips51:37 - Maximizing your luck /w people54:26 - Advice for younger self55:42 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗔𝗱𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/friggeri/• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adrien/• Personal Website: https://friggeri.net/𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Fiona Fung currently supports the Claude Code team at Anthropic and was previously a Senior Director at Meta. She grew quickly through the ranks at Microsoft and Meta before joining Anthropic. I interviewed her about what she learned along the way.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/anthropic-eng-leader-and-ex-senior• YouTube: https://youtu.be/b5-d8u-c99s• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00 - Intro00:38 - Impact vs team health03:04 - Managing managers for the first time05:31 - Advice on mentoring others06:55 - What you should use 1 on 1s for07:56 - Leaving Microsoft for Facebook10:59 - Microsoft vs Facebook culture12:01 - Why dogfooding is important 21:25 - Joining Anthropic27:23 - Feedback that changed her career28:43 - Advice for younger self29:14 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗙𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fionafung/𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Hi all, it's been such a fun project for me this year launching this podcast and trying my best to make the content as helpful as possibleAppreciate everyone who has taken the time to watch my videos and give feedback on how to make it betterIt wouldn't be the same without your support! Next year I plan to work hard to keep improving the content, see you in 2026𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00 - Intro00:50 - Meta Distinguished Eng (Philip Su)05:23 - Amazon Principal Eng (Steve Huynh)06:23 - Google Staff Eng by 28 (Ricky Lee)07:30 - Meta Staff Eng by 25 (Evan King)08:51 - Shopify Distinguished Eng (Ilya Grigorik)10:49 - Amazon VP (Ethan Evans)12:24 - Meta Senior Staff Eng (Dwayne Reeves)13:14 - CloudKitchens CTO, Ex Uber Senior Staff (Brian Attwell)13:55 - Instagram Principal Eng (Jake Bolam)14:42 - Uber Distinguished Eng (Joakim Recht)15:03 - Creator of Claude Code, Ex Meta Principal (Boris Cherny)15:45 - Outro

Rong Yan went from a frontline manager at Meta to a Senior Director at Snapchat in 3 years. I interviewed him to ask what led to that rocketship career trajectory in management. We went over how he job hopped into his first Director role and much more.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/frontline-manager-at-meta-to-senior• YouTube: https://youtu.be/BHlko_Mg-Jk• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00 - Intro00:46 - Joining Facebook03:06 - Moving up into a Director role05:09 - Director skill gaps15:31 - Domain knowledge & management18:45 - LA vs SF cultures20:48 - Senior Director growth at Snapchat22:43 - Evan Spiegel stories24:59 - Recruitment at higher levels32:05 - Career planning in hindsight34:08 - Biggest career regret35:33 - How much of growth is luck?38:19 - Advice for younger self41:53 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝗼𝗻𝗴:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rong-yan-2004692/• Personal Website: https://cs.cmu.edu/~yanrong𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Boris Cherny is the Creator of Claude Code but few people know his full career story. I interviewed him about everything he learned growing at Meta and for insights from his time building Claude Code at Anthropic. 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/boris-cherny-creator-of-claude-code• YouTube: https://youtu.be/AmdLVWMdjOk• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:59 - Starting at FB00:09:43 - Early side projects and book rec00:17:05 - Being under leveled00:18:55 - Staff (IC6) promo story00:25:19 - Proximity to leadership learnings00:29:36 - Scoping out work for 100s of engs00:35:31 - Senior Staff (IC7) promo story00:44:39 - How to find side projects00:50:45 - Principal (IC8) promo story00:54:20 - Building credibility in a new org01:04:23 - Joining Anthropic01:10:05 - Why Claude Code succeeded01:15:56 - Claude Code use outside of code 01:17:22 - What he thinks of competition01:22:57 - Advice for his younger self01:23:57 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗕𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bcherny/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/bcherny• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@boris_cherny𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Marius Schulz grew to a Senior Staff Engineer (IC7) at Instagram by redefining expectations three times (once for each promotion). We talked through each promotion and how he did it. There were also interesting learnings from when his promotion got blocked once even though he greatly exceeded expectations.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/instagram-senior-staff-eng-ic7-on• YouTube: https://youtu.be/OXJHfb_lZII• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00 - Intro00:55 - Choosing his specialty02:29 - Greatly exceeding expectations with no promo08:04 - Senior promo15:30 - Staff promo24:43 - Leverage and IC4/5/6 way of solving problems29:51 - Senior staff promo44:29 - Career planning past IC747:32 - Did IC7+ expectations scare him49:49 - Advice for his younger self52:29 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗶𝘂𝘀:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariusschulz/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/mariusschulz/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@marius.schulz• Personal Website: https://mariusschulz.com/𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Jayendra Jog left Robinhood and raised $35m to start his own crypto startup (Sei Labs). Before he left, he got jaded about software engineering career ladders yet was coasting through promotions at Robinhood. I asked him about how he did that along with a bunch of questions about when to leave your job, how to raise money, and what to expect as a founder.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/quitting-robinhood-and-raising-35m?open=false• YouTube: https://youtu.be/f4eeoetb8t4• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:54 - Big tech internships00:04:51 - Joining Robinhood00:07:58 - Big tech vs startups discussion00:10:16 - Getting jaded about Robinhood career growth00:16:04 - Coasting and getting promoted00:18:54 - Gamestop stories from the inside00:22:34 - Leaving Robinhood00:30:25 - Learnings from raising $35m00:34:07 - What value does crypto provide?00:37:47 - Learnings and when to leave00:40:41 - Advice for his younger self00:41:58 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗝𝗮𝘆:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayendrajog• X/Twitter: https://x.com/jayendra_jog• His Company: https://x.com/Sei_Labs𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Brian Attwell grew to Senior Staff at Uber by age 25. After that he left Uber to join CloudKitchens (Travis Kalanick’s current startup) and quickly became the CTO after his team doubled in size every 6 months. I asked him about how he did it. He also had a bunch of interesting takes about big tech and stories about Travis Kalanick and Steve Jobs. 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/cloudkitchens-cto-on-intelligence• YouTube: https://youtu.be/egNtHu4q-vI• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:01:26 - Growth to Senior Staff at Uber00:10:05 - Was it luck?00:11:45 - Interviewing for IQ00:18:02 - Intelligence and prioritization00:22:19 - How his team doubled every 6 months00:28:30 - Manager promos tied to scope00:39:13 - Amazon and Google brutal honesty00:43:39 - CloudKitchens behind the scenes00:50:24 - Biggest career regret00:54:17 - Travis Kalanick experiences00:56:01 - Most impactful advice received00:56:56 - Most impactful book for career00:57:53 - Advice for his younger self00:58:48 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗕𝗿𝗶𝗮𝗻:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-attwell/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/attwellbrian• CloudKitchens: https://cloudkitchens.com/careers/• CloudKitchens tech blog: https://techblog.cloudkitchens.com/𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Joakim Recht grew to a Distinguished Engineer at Uber and I asked him what it took to get there. We covered his full career including the project that got him promoted, what makes a great software engineer, and learnings from promo committees.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/uber-distinguished-eng-on-unfair• YouTube: https://youtu.be/feNh_ubBAMI• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0MX9PyeCzDhdlyRv6slwIX• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:56 - Distinguished promo project00:19:07 - How to grow your influence00:22:38 - Unfair promo story00:33:09 - On delegation00:39:05 - Why engs don’t trust management00:47:58 - Politics as he grew00:57:00 - How to pick mentees01:03:22 - Why he left Uber01:15:16 - Biggest Uber eng mistake01:20:15 - Uber scandals01:24:35 - Advice for younger self01:26:14 - Outro𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗝𝗼𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗺:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/recht/𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Ilya Grigorik grew to a Distinguished Engineer (VP-level role) at Shopify and I asked him what it took to get there. We covered his full career including the behind the scenes of his startup getting acquired by Google, his growth to Director at Google, and what it means to operate like a Distinguished engineer.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/distinguished-engineer-at-shopify• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0MX9PyeCzDhdlyRv6slwIX• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:45 - Thoughts on Waterloo00:04:36 - Starting his own company00:08:40 - Google acquisition story00:14:04 - Joining Google00:20:28 - Switching back to IC00:26:42 - Principal+ Engineering at Shopify00:40:09 - Career regrets00:44:53 - Top career-impacting book00:46:59 - Advice for younger self𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗜𝗹𝘆𝗮:• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@igrigorik• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/igrigorik/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/igrigorik• Personal Website: https://ilya.grigorik.com/𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

Bobby Holley went from an intern to the CTO of Mozilla Firefox. I asked him about everything he learned in that process. We cover his full career including some interesting stories on living through the browser wars and advice on career growth.𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/mozilla-firefox-cto-on-browser-war• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0MX9PyeCzDhdlyRv6slwIX• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗘𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• NYT article link: https://www.livemint.com/Industry/q2EjgGX6d5Ouwec479WSqM/For-Mozilla-Google-group-hugs-get-tricky.html• Mozilla VP twitter thread: https://www.computerworld.com/article/1722183/former-mozilla-exec-alleges-google-torpedoed-firefox-with-oops-excuses.html• Internal memo on writing: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1518xKjijjEWHQb6wZjAWJrUN8liZGGI9v5pRFr9eFHo/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.1gfr5hva69qx𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:00:00:00 - Intro00:00:57 - Starting at Mozilla00:04:57 - Browser wars history00:10:55 - Google relationship changing00:16:11 - Why work for free00:19:02 - Projects that drove his career00:33:12 - No performance reviews00:34:42 - Rust adoption00:43:33 - Career progression00:47:54 - Should you focus on promos00:57:14 - Distinguished promo rejection01:00:56 - Examples of distinguished engs01:10:54 - Advice for aspiring distinguished engs01:14:40 - AI browser wars01:26:32 - Biggest technical regret01:29:11 - Book that impacted his career most01:32:09 - Advice for his younger self𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗕𝗼𝗯𝗯𝘆:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbyholley• X/Twitter: https://x.com/bhology𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

David Fowler went from an intern to a Distinguished Engineer at Microsoft. That’s 11 different promotions all at the same company. I asked him about everything he learned by going through that process.𝗘𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/intern-to-microsoft-distinguished• YouTube: https://youtu.be/d8tRM8RJ52M• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:(00:00) Intro(00:53) Microsofts leveling system(03:17) Joining Microsoft(10:18) First successful project(16:22) Bootstrapping his own project(25:44) His principal promotion(37:10) His distinguished promotion(49:51) Engineers he looks up to(53:40) Expanding on his top tweets(1:05:20) Big company tip on reorgs(1:08:25) What keeps him at Microsoft(1:17:22) Microsoft culture after Satya(1:23:04) Career regrets and work life balance(1:29:51) Advice for his younger self𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗗𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗱:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidfowl/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/davidfowl𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗥𝘆𝗮𝗻:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpeterman

David Singleton was the CTO at Stripe for 7 years before he left to start /dev/agents. Prior to Stripe, he grew from a junior engineer to a VP at Google. I recently asked him about everything he knows about career growth and being an excellent engineering leader. We discussed how Stripe hired at scale without Leetcode, why he thinks all engineering leaders should write code, the book that impacted his career most and many more topics.Episode Links:• Transcript• Youtube• AppleTimestamps:(00:00:00) Intro(00:00:56) Before Google(00:06:34) Joining Google(00:12:56) Deciding to try management(00:24:15) How to decide on EM vs IC(00:28:58) Biggest gap in managing managers(00:34:21) The difference between VP and Senior EM(00:37:43) How to communicate well(00:46:14) How managers can scale themselves(00:51:17) How to build a new engineering site(01:01:21) What kept him at Google(01:03:57) The story behind joining Stripe(01:12:34) Comparing and contrasting cultures(01:20:55) How to set culture(01:29:25) Is Stripe too reliable?(01:33:48) Hiring at scale without Leetcode(01:38:06) Lessons learned working with Stripe's leadership(01:40:31) Why leave Stripe(01:44:55) How his AI startup plans to compete(01:48:46) Career reflections, regrets, what went well(01:54:03) Top book and habit that impacted his career(01:57:40) Advice for younger self(01:59:04) OutroWhere to find David:• If you are a builder: https://sdsa.ai/build• If you are very excited about what they are building and would consider joining his talent dense team, you can email David here: dps@sdsa.ai• X/Twitter: https://x.com/dps• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidpsingleton/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@davidsingletonWhere to find Ryan:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@petermanpodThis episode was produced with the help of SF Podcast Studio: https://www.sfpodcast.studio/

We hit 25,000 subscribers! 🎉🎉🎉Thanks so much to everyone who has supported my work, never thought we'd be here let alone this fastHad some spare studio time booked and figured I might as well use it as time for an FAQ episode. This episode is for anyone whose curious about some of the story behind the podcastFeeling very lucky, thank you all! 🙏Also if you have any feedback for me about the show and how to make it better, I'd love to hear it. Feel free to drop a commentTimestamps:(00:00) Intro(00:58) Story behind the podcast(05:30) Behind the scenes of the top episodes(10:06) Dream guest list (12:03) Learnings from podcasting (13:10) Balancing content with a full time job (14:28) Outro