Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor

Revenue Search is back after the Bittensor San Francisco event, and this episode is a first: a dual-subnet session with Yanez (SN54) and BitMind (SN34). Jose and Ken announce a partnership aimed at tackling the rapidly growing threat of deepfake-driven identity fraud—the kind of attacks that can bypass KYC, liveness checks, and even enable high-value social engineering scams.In short: Yanez produces high-fidelity, well-annotated synthetic identity/face data and attack vectors, and BitMind uses that to train and improve face-focused deepfake detection models via their subnet. They’ll take the combined “data + detection” stack to enterprise customers (financial institutions and identity providers), typically via licensing/usage-based deals, with both teams reinforcing that real-world revenue supports their subnets (including alpha buybacks into treasury) while keeping flexibility for future DeFi/treasury use.

This episode starts with Siam and Mark chatting about TAO going “more mainstream,” name-dropping Jason Calacanis’ interest and sharing Const’s reminder that TAO/Bittensor ultimately stands on Bitcoin’s groundwork. They briefly recap recent ecosystem happenings (Bitstarter’s TAO Ads launch for Subnet 21 and their upcoming San Francisco trip), then bring on a returning guest from Resi (Subnet 46) to share a major product expansion.Seby explains RESI as a real-estate “oracle” network: miners produce and the team verifies highly accurate property valuation models (already available via Chutes for cheap inference). The big update is RESI Finance, a lending/tokenization layer built on top of that oracle. The core idea: instead of slow/expensive “tokenize your whole house” structures, RESI tokenizes liens/charges (mortgage-like claims) because they’re standard, easier legally, and safer. They claim they’ve reduced tokenization overhead from roughly $2,000 and weeks to about $200 and ~2 days, with the fee covering real-world checks (title verification, signatures/DocuSign, notary, and recording the lien) before any tokens can be minted.They compare the model to Figure HELOC (a large mortgage-backed stablecoin business): investors deposit USDC into a vault and receive a receipt token, while homeowners borrow against home equity; loans are later bundled/sold (MBS-style) and fees/interest create yield. RESI’s version mirrors this: investors deposit USDC and receive an “rUSD”-style receipt token with target yield; homeowners either (a) sell small slices of property exposure and/or (b) borrow against tokenized property collateral at lower rates (e.g., ~5%). The “looping” concept is using cheap borrowing against a yielding property to lever returns (e.g., reinvest borrowed funds to lift effective yield toward 20–30%+), with the oracle’s live pricing enabling liquidations/risk control.

This hosts-only “Revenue Search” episode is a casual catch-up where Siam and Mark answer live chat questions and discuss Bittensor’s bigger picture. They explain that accepting fiat for subnet services doesn’t bypass alpha value—fiat typically routes into TAO and then through liquidity pools—and that long-term alpha appreciation depends on each subnet’s “alphanomics,” mainly revenue-funded buybacks and/or getting miners to lock up alpha (with Chutes and Hippias cited as strong examples). They then talk about why they pitch Bittensor as “not really crypto” to newcomers (it uses blockchain as a coordination/resource-allocation layer for AI), compare Bittensor’s growth vs Bitcoin, and touch on rehypothecation risks as markets mature.They also cover TaoFlow and subnet churn (registration cadence, deregistration “relegation,” and why they don’t want more than 128 slots yet due to chain bloat and diluted incentives), plus investing views like TAO vs a broad basket of subnets depending on how active you plan to be. A major section focuses on agents: Siam describes building his OpenClaw agent (“Gordy”) with SOPs and tools, and they argue agents will increasingly discover and use Bittensor services. That leads into Handshake as an agent payment/provisioning layer with “providers” (APIs/services) and “skills” (prebuilt workflows), plus efforts to reduce friction like gas issues. They briefly touch on Astrid Arena (agents competing in trading challenges), OTC/Bitstarter deal-making and onboarding new talent, and wrap with a few quick audience questions and upcoming Bittensor social events (London, then San Francisco).

This session begins with Mark and Siam chatting about a proposed new Bittensor “shorting mechanism” aimed at punishing malicious or gaming subnets by letting markets drive their alpha toward zero and trigger deregistration—while flagging obvious risks like self-shorting by subnet owners and the broader concern that changing market rules can make the ecosystem feel less investable. They then bring on Tommi from Subnet 79 (rebranded from “Taos” to “MVTRX”), who explains they’re building a state-of-the-art exchange for Bittensor dTAO/alpha tokens, paired with a sophisticated sandbox simulation framework (C++/Rust) where miners can test trading algorithms under many parallel, realistic limit-order-book simulations before deploying to live trading. The core problem they’re tackling is that alpha markets can be illiquid and risky—especially during “black swan” events—so they want to improve liquidity, reduce slippage, and enable larger players to manage/rebalance portfolios more efficiently using advanced order types and a dynamic incentive model that shifts rewards/fees between makers and takers depending on market conditions (e.g., paying makers more during crash-like imbalances to stabilize markets). On monetization, Tommi outlines two revenue streams: (1) exchange fees from live trading (a steady flow) and (2) selling high-fidelity simulated high-frequency/L3 order book data (chunkier, periodic revenue), with an expectation of beta access for miners and broader user/UI growth later in the year; he also notes revenue would likely be split between buybacks (roughly ~25–50%) and ongoing development rather than burning.

In this Revenue Search session, Mark and Siam open with a quick macro discussion about escalating conflict in the Middle East, the Strait of Hormuz risk, oil spikes, and how that could affect inflation, rate cuts, and global “printing” dynamics—then pivot to why war-time social media becomes a firehose of fake or misleading footage, setting up the day’s guest: Vericore (Subnet 70). Vericore is presented as “community notes on steroids”: miners research specific claims and return an auditable evidence trail with semantic scoring (e.g., supports/refutes a claim, confidence, and left/right leaning), intentionally surfacing varied and even conflicting sources to break echo chambers. The team explains how evidence quality is judged (cross-source corroboration, source weighting/whitelisting for reputable outlets and academic papers, and plans to back-test research once outcomes resolve), and how the product can plug into agent “harnesses” via API/Handshake so bots (including OpenClaw-style agents) can use it as an honesty/unbias layer. On monetization, they discuss charging per API call, building a personalized “Signal” product, lead-gen around prediction markets, and exploring a prediction-market fund/competition where a large share (at least ~50% or potentially all) of profits loops back into subnet token buybacks—while noting current bottlenecks are API speed/performance and structuring the fund, plus balancing building real product vs hype.

In this Revenue Search episode, Mark and Siam open with TAO-market chatter and why decentralized AI ≠ generic crypto before welcoming the team behind Subnet 65 to unveil the TAO Private Network (TPN) and its premium consumer app, WhaleSurf—a VPN/proxy stack built on Bittensor that emphasizes difficult-to-detect residential routes, unlimited devices, and perks, targeting crypto and active traders who struggle with platforms flagging datacenter IPs (e.g., MEXC, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video). They contrast this with incumbents like NordVPN and Surfshark, outline a developer-facing SOCKS5/HTTP proxy API for agents (think OpenClaw) and scraping, and explain monetization: creator-led acquisition, a higher-price-but-better-routing pitch, centralized billing via Stripe, and future subnet buybacks rather than selling emissions; 2,000 paying users would cover OPEX. The hosts also push clearer positioning (“for crypto/traders” dog-whistle copy), suggest testimonials, and note perks akin to Revolut; launch status is iOS/Android now with desktop coming, and a temporary 70% “WHALEWELCOME” code is mentioned.

In this Revenue Search episode, Mark and Siam swap notes on wrangling OpenClaw (shout-out to Mark Jeffrey successfully mining SN33) before welcoming Marc to unpack Numinous (SN6)—a forecasting subnet on Bittensor that rewards agent/miner code via category leaderboards (prediction markets, geopolitics, sports, macro) scored with Brier metrics and evolving from winner-takes-all to reward pools. He previews Eversight, a chat/UI and API for traders and hedge funds (think research companion for Polymarket) with subsidized API calls, planned buybacks and possible alpha lockups; integrations include Shoots, VeriCore, and future ties to Data Universe (SN13). A dashboard teaser shows top miners outperforming a Gemini baseline; Q&A covers event creation and horizons, anti-copy measures, and launch timing “this week,” all wrapped in the show’s usual banter.

In this session Siam and Mark banter about experimenting with a Mac mini/“Claude bot” and runaway token costs before interviewing Gustave from Mentat Minds about their non-custodial way to allocate TAO into Bittensor subnets via themed index baskets (e.g., prediction/inference), a “Sum of Subnets” product, price-weighted entries with optional monthly rebalancing, and a 9% fee taken only from staking yield; they cover validator selection, user mix, roadmap (more verticals and curated third-party strategies), and address questions on licensing and fees, while the hosts share a portfolio philosophy favoring asymmetric, lower-price subnets near dereg floors and monitoring chain-buy flows for rotation.

Mark and Siam return after a break with a surprise guest: Shaq from Ridges. They recap Davos/AI House meetings (Chris, Etienne, Max), then explain how they partner with Bitstarter to vet code and teams (Quasar as the first collab, later incubated by Const). They’ve been buying/minting slots—including freshly minted subnet 99 (“99 Problems”)—and are actively placing strong teams. Shak joins to unpack the Ridges × Latent Holdings move: not an exit from the tensor but a “full-stack” combo to speed shipping (tensor + incentives + product/GTM), keep beta quality high, and aim for an end-to-end “wow” launch that can go viral. Lesson learned: don’t run two-week “announcement of an announcement” hype cycles. DSV signals conviction with another 700 TAO into Ridges. The hosts then update on Astrid: they acquired and rebranded the TauFi bridge (“Astrid Bridge”), which earns ~$1–2k/day in fees; Astrid will use multiple incentive mechanisms (Bridge, Vault liquidity sink, and Arena) and gradually rebalance emissions as features harden. On network mechanics, they like the current cap + dereg pressure; new subnet price decay is now ~1.7 TAO/hour (so new regs about weekly), which keeps builders accountable. Exploit’s flagship event moves from the U.S. to a likely Canada date in Sep/Oct, with a smaller meetup still happening—DSV will attend. Quick shout-outs: Mark Jeffrey’s “State of TAU”; Synth’s API (they’re auto-trading Polymarket and adding equities—DSV’s wiring it up); Vericore (decentralized “Community Notes”); Shoots serverless compute showing solid payments/buybacks; LeadPoet passing 1M intent leads; and Score’s momentum (Sky Sports splash, Monaco demo, senior hires). They close by inviting subnet owners to come on Revenue Search and urging the community to funnel promising teams to DSV/Bitstarter.

Mark and Siam kick off the first Revenue Search of 2026 and bring on Felix from subnet 91, Tensorprox. A decentralized “bouncer” layer that sits between clients and servers to stop DDoS and bad traffic while keeping legitimate requests flowing; it onboards in minutes (auto-detects ports), is paid in fiat, bills in 15-minute increments (~$0.07; roughly $200/month for 100 Mbps), and aims to be more resilient than centralized providers like Cloudflare/AWS via miners distributed across multiple clouds. Felix outlines target customers (infrastructure/GPU providers, web3/crypto projects, AI startups), referral-based sales, possible OpenAI marketplace distribution, near-term scaling (effectively unlimited with IPv6), and a plan to channel revenue—after taxes/OPEX—into TAO/alpha buybacks held in a treasury that stakes and shares rewards with loyal holders. Longer term, Tensorprox will add higher-margin app-layer security (WAF, bot management, data validation) and potentially host always-on services from other subnets; the hosts encourage outreach to subnets hit by DDoS.

The hosts open with travel/gossip (Mark dialing in from Dubai) and a firm PSA about why they won’t confirm wallet/subnet rumours, They then bring on Yoav, Garrett and Gyles from Tensor Group to debut tao.com, a rebuilt Bittensor wallet (iOS live now; Android targeted for Q1) that makes onboarding dead simple: fiat/TAO toggles, in-app TAO purchase via Coinbase Pay (debit or Coinbase), one-tap staking (abstracts “root/validators”), biometric Secure Enclave keys, clean portfolio/history, and rich subnet pages (stats, team, roadmap, news, search/sort) designed to drive conviction; UK rollout awaits FCA tweaks while US users can update today, CSV export/desktop and Ledger-style “power user” features are planned, and subnet teams will be able to self-manage profiles and potentially promote content; the group discusses growth levers (recommendations, short founder videos, category labels, “did-you-know” hooks), a playful idea of tiny “starter alpha,” and a serious unmet need for institutional/custodial support so PLCs can hold alpha, with Tensor saying they’re self-funded (validator/mining), now raising to scale the broader tao.com/Tensor stack.

Mark and Siam open with a candid TAO update (over-levered loans due, price drawdown, macro notes on TGA and QT) then bring on Akshat from Dippy, who explains Dippy as an AI-friend entertainment app (~8.6M users, ~1 hr/day engagement) adding tap-to-video (not real-time yet) and imminently voice calls; Dippy now runs all text inference on Bittensor SN-4 (Targon) via a six-figure deal and is pivoting SN-11 into a fast, cheap media-inference “studio” (deterministic TensorRT pipeline), currently serving ~2% of Dippy images with plans to ramp to 100% and open a self-serve API; they’ll resume consistent SN-11 alpha buybacks by redirecting $5–10k/month formerly spent on centralized providers, outline 18+ moderation/privacy measures, note revenue of ~$40–60k/month while prioritizing retention and future in-message ads, and share a longer-term vision for interactive “generative worlds,” plus team hiring and platform constraints (Android feasible “Jarvis,” iOS restricted).

Mark and Siam join Max (Score / Subnet 44) for an update on Score’s shift from “just sports” to a broad computer-vision platform: they’ve built a new incentive mechanism that uses VLMs to generate pseudo-ground-truth and run twin tracks—an open, verifiable Hugging Face competition and a private client track—driving rapid gains toward a football “gold line” benchmark. Score’s first featured client, cricket strategist Nathan Leamon (Cards), explains how Score will replicate/extend Hawkeye-style ball-tracking from standard broadcast footage and power decisions from scouting/auctions through in-game tactics. Max outlines real-world uses beyond sport (petrol forecourts, retail, fruit grading, car washes), a 60-day trial motion to win enterprise data and contracts, and the upcoming “vision GPT” product where an agent reads video, recommends/dispatches models as subnet tasks, and ties revenue to ALPHA via a burn-and-mint “scoronomics” loop. The team notes a fresh DSV/Astrid-127 OTC with Score, and—crucially—Score’s first recurring five-figure invoice, underscoring real revenue traction.

A lively Revenue Search with guest Greg “Rizzo” unveiling two big threads: first, Subnet 45’s partnership with Talisman to turn its crypto wallet into an AI-augmented “smart” wallet—miners pull sentiment/relevance signals (e.g., via Subnet 64 and Data Universe), users set voice/dictation trading triggers (DCA, limit/TP/SL, on-chain events), with security handled via smart contracts and ledger/iOS support; revenue flows from tool usage and a share of Talisman trading fees earmarked for buy-and-burn. Second, Rizzo + DNA are forming a community-driven, NASDAQ-listed Digital Asset Treasury (target size ~$300M): subnet owners can contribute ALPHA for locked 3–5 year treasury holdings and receive equity, easing sell-pressure; an “Avengers” advisory group of OGs will guide treasury deployment while validator ops and Subnets 20/45 serve as revenue-generating businesses. The session closes with Q&A on copy trading, detailed on-chain metrics/triggers, onboarding newer subnets, and candid takes on TAOFlow’s implications for research subnets.

A live, on-location Revenue Search featuring LeadPoet, a Bittensor-powered subnet/product that automates outbound sales by crowdsourcing high-quality leads from miners, validating them, and selling them to clients—initially via sales agencies for scale. The model gates access by burning alpha, creating a flywheel (more demand → larger reward pool → tougher competition → better data → more demand) and plans to evolve from selling leads to booking meetings. Early pricing spans self-serve subscriptions, volume API, and enterprise deals, with strong emphasis on data quality, anti-gaming validation, and eventual conversion-based miner rewards via CRM integrations. Beta opens in December with an open-source qualification agent; early access targets January, with comparisons to Apollo highlighting fresher, re-validated data and broader coverage through permissionless miners.

After a short hiatus, Revenue Search returns with Crucible Labs: Ala and David explain why Crucible exists: do the unglamorous, high-leverage work the foundation can’t—validate and allocate, build research and investor materials (via Unsupervised Capital), ship a TAO-native wallet with an auto-allocator and Ledger support, and incubate/accelerate stronger subnets. A big theme is governance and speed: DTO changed incentives quickly by design; true decentralization is the destination, but right now rapid, iterative tweaks are vital to keep a permissionless system healthy. Their near-term North Star is onboarding capital and talent through clarity and tooling, not hype: make staking/allocating simpler, abstract complexity, and help investors and builders see where value accrues.They’re bullish that Bittensor is an “anything-incentive layer,” not just AI—and expect breakout products (e.g., dev-tools like Ridges) to pull mainstream attention and capital far more than explanations of emissions.

This Revenue Search spotlights Subnet 32 “It's AI,” an AI-text detector focused on education. Founder Sergey demos a clean web app that flags AI-written passages, highlights “AI-impactful” tokens, and generates shareable reports; it also offers plagiarism checks, batch scanning, API/Moodle/Zapier integrations, with Canvas coming. Citing a new, large unified benchmark (to be presented at an AI-in-education conference), It's AI claims top average accuracy (AUC ~0.92) versus GPTZero and others. The team targets universities with B2B plans while running low-cost miner inference; early revenue (~$2k/mo) comes mostly from enterprise subscriptions. Hosts push a go-to-market pivot: niche hard into higher-ed, raise enterprise pricing, personalise outreach to ~4k U.S. institutions, and avoid “poacher vs. gamekeeper” branding conflicts with student tools.

This Revenue Search features Subnet 113 (Taonado)—a non-custodial, Tornado-style privacy mixer on the Bittensor EVM. Users deposit fixed denominations (starting with 1 TAO, with 10/100 TAO pools planned), receive a secret note, and later withdraw to a fresh wallet to break linkability; miners simulate realistic flows to deepen the anonymity set and earn the subnet’s alpha. Revenue comes from ~2.5–5% mixing fees (plus gas) and “APY harvesting” by staking idle shielded capital, with an intent to auto buyback-and-burn the alpha. Contracts are a hardened Tornado fork, validation/scoring runs on-chain (no standalone validator), and the team is bootstrapping ~5,000 TAO liquidity to enable larger pools while advocating privacy-by-default across Bittensor.

This Revenue Search jumps into a deep-dive with Bitcast (Tom & Will). Bitcast pitches itself not as an agency but a decentralised ad tooling layer that lets brands brief creators at scale, with AI verifying message-fit and rewards tied to real attention (watch time/eyeballs via official platform data), not vanity metrics. They share traction to date (hundreds of Bittensor videos, ~hundreds of thousands of views, big watch-time) and the blockers they’ve been fixing: a no-code miner (optional, 5% fee) to onboard non-technical creators, a social-proofed website + multilingual outreach, and a scalable “ad read” model where brands pre-fund a budget that creators draw down from—so spend can flex and is linked to measured outcomes. Near term, revenue supports the ALPHA token (currently buyback/burn), with ~40–50 TAO/month cited today and ambitions to tap much larger Web2 budgets.Will unveils Bitcast’s X (Twitter) integration: map a niche (starting with Bittensor) and compute an influence score using an endorsements graph (quotes/retweets/mentions; PageRank-style). A rolling top ~150 become eligible to mine; entry requires endorsements from those already inside, discouraging bots and low-signal spam. Quality > quantity: limited posts per brief, payouts weighted by who endorses your tweet, and brands can target specific niches/languages (e.g., dev-productivity, infra, other crypto-AI communities). Onboarding is dead simple: paste a wallet, tweet a one-time code, you’re connected. TikTok (different incentive design) comes next, followed by a self-serve ad portal so brands can set budgets, launch, and see results. Q&A covers collusion risks (mitigated by breadth/weights), creator incentives (APY/education; fiat off-ramps likely later), and expansion beyond crypto.

Siam kicks off by revealing a commissioned Bittensor artwork (“Michealeagτao”) he’s gifting to Const, then he and Mark run a no-guest AMA. They cover near-term market timing (expecting the bigger move into late-2025), the risk to compute subnets if TAO fell sharply (miner exodus) versus a healthier ecosystem at higher TAO, and how funding really follows credible, revenue-led plans (examples: Targon, sundae_bar, Shak recycling ~$1.4M into growth). A big chunk focuses on the TAO halving: pools fill more slowly so volatility rises for thinner subnets; historically halvings are “nothing-burgers” day-of, with the impact compounding over time.They dig into alphanomics: buyback-and-burn is simple but building a digital asset (alpha) treasury that compounds—and can be borrowed against—is often stronger. Siam runs quick yield math (e.g., Apex’s high APY) to show how accumulating alpha can 4–12× holdings over a few years even before price moves. They expect more “captive demand” models (hold alpha for access), validators and front-ends to package subnet services, and ultimately a power-law leaderboard (S&P-style concentration). DSV’s approach: partner for the long term, avoid short-term rotation, prioritize force-multiplying subnets (e.g., Hippius storage, LeadPoet leads) and real revenue. They close with basics on DSV (min ~$50k; regulated) and promise more Revenue Search sessions.