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Legal growth insights from Jon, Marc, and the industry's top tier legal & marketing professionals.
Two veteran legal marketers, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux, dive into the business of law, mass torts, and the future of plaintiff-side firms.
From marketing strategy and technology to candid conversations with top trial lawyers, marketers, and industry leaders, this podcast unpacks what’s really driving growth and change in the legal world.
Honest, practical, and a little irreverent—perfect for attorneys, marketers, and anyone curious about where the business of law is headed.
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Key TakewaysWhy Reyes Law eliminated television advertising after spending nearly $200MHow a cost per kept case model changes law firm marketing economicsThe digital channels currently driving personal injury case acquisitionHow lead generation partners fit into a high-volume firm strategyWhy Reyes Law keeps marketing fully in-house while outsourcing techHow the firm is cautiously testing AI inside a large legal operation
Key TakeawaysWhy the social media addiction trial against Meta may be trending toward a plaintiff verdictHow the UK warning on semaglutide could strengthen weight loss drug injury claims in the U.S.What the upcoming Daubert hearings mean for the future of the hair relaxer MDLThe 90 day opt out window in the Roundup Missouri class action and what firms must do nowHow regulatory warnings and expert testimony shape mass tort litigation timelines
Key TakewaysThe three bucket framework for deciding where AI belongs in a law firmWhy the real divide is between AI users and AI power usersHow AI can summarize multi-hour meetings and generate action plansThe security concerns law firms should evaluate before adopting AI toolsHow AI platforms integrate with case management systemsWhy the broader AI ecosystem from Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic matters for legal technology
Key TakeawaysWhy the Daubert ruling excluded four key experts in the baby food MDLHow the social media addiction trial could influence future platform litigationThe new PFAS order requiring fact sheets, medical records, and exposure proofWhy courts may begin dismissing PFAS cases that fail compliance deadlinesWhat the 1,000 case surge in Depo Provera filings signals for law firmsHow upcoming bellwether trials could shape the trajectory of this MDL
How LSOs and MSOs work without violating rules on non-lawyer ownershipWhat opportunists ask for first (“How do I control the lawyers”) and why it dies thereThe first functions to move into an MSO: finance, IT, people and culture, recruiting, trainingWhy intake consolidation is risky when “local” is part of the brand promiseA practical way to think about non-trackable marketing spend without pretending attribution is cleanA billboard test framework using geography and postal code tracking - and why it still may not change decisions
How the proposed $7.3B Roundup class action could cap attorney fees at 22% for cases signed after February 17, 2026Why resolving future, undiagnosed Roundup claims may be a strategic win for defendantsWhat Zuckerberg’s testimony revealed and how his courtroom performance may influence jurorsHow Meta’s 2018 internal communications on addiction risk strengthen the plaintiffs’ narrativeWhy J&J’s effort to sideline Beasley Allen reflects a broader defense strategy in legacy mass tortsWhat the upcoming Bair Hugger trial in Texas means for applying pressure on 3M
Key TakewaysWhy the first 500 cases are your cheapest and how to capitalize on that windowHow to structure a social team by platform instead of generic rolesWhy firms should spend 20 percent of media budgets on creativeHow influencer collaborations can generate $1,000 cost per case at scaleWhy hiring outside legal, especially from auto retail, creates a data edgeHow connected TV and branded search protect long-term growth
Key TakeawaysHow Hair Relaxer’s numerosity and maturity keep it at #1 and what dates matter nextWhy Uber’s $8.5M verdict matters after a prior zero verdict and what a “2-3 more trials” path signalsWhat Roundup’s April 27 Supreme Court oral argument date could do to intake strategyThe Roblox arbitration push and the consent issues that may decide early motion outcomesWhat to watch in weight loss drug MDLs: 3,000 GI cases now and likely bellwethers next yearHow to interpret a $250K talc bellwether inside a 70,000-case MDL
Key Takeaways• The Social Media Addiction Trial focuses on product design and algorithm mechanics, not simply content moderation.• Attorney Matthew Bergman argues that social media platforms were built to maximize engagement through dopamine-driven behavioral design.• Section 230 immunity is central to the legal battle over platform accountability.• Expert testimony compares social media addiction to alcohol, tobacco, and drug dependency.• Internal documents allegedly reveal repeated decisions prioritizing engagement and profit over safety.• Many of the proposed safety changes could reportedly be implemented quickly and at scale.• The outcome of this trial could reshape social media regulation and Big Tech accountability in the United States.
• The Uber verdict establishes agency liability without punitive damages • Lyft MDL in Northern District of California may move faster due to Uber roadmap • Social media addiction trial focuses on product design, algorithm targeting, and causation • Defense strategy mirrors the pharma playbook by disputing science and blaming plaintiffs • Beasley Allen disqualified from 3,600 talc cases in New Jersey state court • Active talc trial in Philadelphia could increase settlement pressure on J&J
Snap settled. TikTok settled. Jury selection resumes.The social media addiction trial everyone has been talking about is officially underway and opening arguments could begin within days.In this week’s episode of Tort Talk, Jon, Marc, and mass tort attorney Joe Fantini break down what’s happening in real time and what it could mean for Big Tech litigation going forward.We also cover:The formation of the Roblox MDL and what the next 3–6 months will look likeWhy Lyft sexual assault appears headed toward consolidation alongside UberThe Cartiva toe implant litigation and whether a smaller docket can still justify an MDLWhy Missouri courts refused to pause Roundup cases ahead of the Supreme Court appealWith new MDLs forming, major settlements unfolding, and trial calendars moving, pressure is building across multiple fronts.This is your fastest way to stay current on mass tort developments shaping 2026.Subscribe for weekly updates.#MassTorts #SocialMediaLawsuit #Roundup #MDL #LegalNews————————— Contents of this video —————————00:00 – Intro00:08 – Social Media Addiction Trial Update01:16 – Trial Timeline + What Happens Next02:47 – Roblox MDL Leadership Appointments04:47 – Lyft Sexual Assault MDL Formation05:42 – Cartiva Toe Implant Litigation07:33 – Roundup: Missouri Refuses to Pause Cases08:52 – Settlement Pressure & What to Watch09:23 – Outro
Wall Street money is entering personal injury like never before… buying firms, buying leads, and squeezing margins.In this episode of The Jon & Marc Podcast, we sit down with Michael Saile (co-founder, managing partner, and trial attorney at Cordisco & Saile, just outside Philadelphia) to talk about what it actually takes to grow a firm in 2026 and beyond, when big-budget competitors can drop into your market overnight.Michael breaks down the firm’s recent growth, why brand is the only real moat, how community relationships led to major cases after a local catastrophe, and why he believes the future belongs to firms that build real trust, real presence, and real litigation strength.If you’re a firm owner trying to scale without losing your culture or you’re watching the industry change in real time, this one is a must.————————— Contents of this video —————————  00:00 – Introducing Michael Saile02:46 – The Evolution of Cordisco & Saile05:41 – Balancing Leadership and Casework08:45 – Community Engagement and Brand Building11:24 – The Importance of Goodwill in the Legal Industry14:22 – Sponsorships and Community Support17:19 – The Evolution of Marketing Strategies18:26 – Preparing for Future Growth in Personal Injury Law20:35 – Building a Brand in a Competitive Landscape22:16 – The Role of Content Creation and Community Engagement27:59 – Investing in Leadership and Strategic Planning32:00 – Balancing Work and Family Life
Mass torts are moving fast… faster than most people have seen in years.Live from the National Trial Lawyers Summit in Miami, Jon, Marc, and Joe Fantini break down a rare moment in mass tort litigation: multiple high-stakes trials happening at the same time, across social media addiction, Paraquat, Roundup, talc, Uber sex abuse, and more.From surprise settlements to bellwether trials already underway, this live Tort Talk episode covers what’s happening right now, and what it means for plaintiffs, firms, and the future of mass tort litigation.If you want a real-time snapshot of where mass torts are headed in 2026, this is the episode.————————— Contents of this video —————————00:00 – Live from NTL Miami00:45 – Social Media Addiction Trial Update02:30 – Will Meta Settle Before Testimony?03:10 – The New Era of Mass Torts05:00 – Paraquat Settlement Update06:30 – How Much Time Is Left for Paraquat Cases?07:20 – Roundup Awaiting Supreme Court Decision08:50 – Environmental Mass Torts to Watch10:30 – Talc Litigation Update11:50 – Uber Sex Abuse MDL Trial13:10 – Other Mass Torts Gaining Momentum15:45 – Depo MDL Moving at Record Speed16:45 – NTL Miami Conference Buzz19:45 – Politics, the Supreme Court & Tylenol22:15 – AI, Software & the New Vendor Landscape24:00 – Final Takeaways from Tort Talk Live
After months of waiting, the Mass Tort docket is officially in motion.In this week’s Tort Talk, Jon Robinson, Marc Rioux, and Joe Fantini break down a rare convergence of major developments across multiple MDLs and state court proceedings, from the Supreme Court’s decision to take up the Roundup preemption appeal to an unusually heavy slate of trials now underway.Topics covered in this episode include:The Supreme Court’s decision to hear the Roundup preemption appeal and what it means for plaintiffs moving forwardWhy multiple mass tort trials happening at the same time is so unusual — and why it mattersThe first bellwether trial underway in the Uber Sex Abuse MDL and what the evidence is showing so farA new talcum powder trial against Johnson & Johnson beginning in Philadelphia Court of Common PleasThe first MDL bellwether trial kicking off in the Paragard litigation after years of delayJury selection set to begin in the closely watched Social Media Addiction trial and what to watch as it unfoldsEarly signals from the Character AI settlement and how it could impact related litigationWith pressure building across the Supreme Court, MDLs, and state courts, this episode captures a pivotal moment as mass tort litigation enters a highly active phase.Subscribe for weekly Tort Talk updates covering the most important rulings, trials, and trends shaping the mass tort landscape.————————— Contents of this video ————————— 00:00 – Intro: A Rare Moment of Trial Activity in Mass Torts00:26 – Supreme Court Takes Up the Roundup Preemption Appeal02:08 – Uber Sex Abuse MDL: First Bellwether Trial Underway03:13 – Talcum Powder: New J&J Trial Begins in Philadelphia04:52 – Paragard MDL: What to Expect From the First Bellwether Trial06:13 – Social Media Addiction Trial: Jury Selection and Key Issues07:27 – Character AI Settlement and Broader Implications08:40 – Closing Thoughts and What’s Ahead at NTL Miami
Legal marketing is changing fast and 2026 is going to force a real reset.In this episode of The Jon & Marc Podcast, Jon Robinson and Marc Rioux break down what they see coming next and what law firms should start doing now to stay ahead.They dig into the shift away from traditional TV and radio toward streaming, social, and podcast advertising, why consumers are already burned out on AI, and why human connection is about to matter more than ever in intake and client experience.The conversation also covers consolidation across law firms, legal tech, and agencies, the growing role of private equity, and why rankings, traffic, and impressions are no longer the metrics that matter. In 2026, it comes down to leads, cases, and building a real brand people trust.If you run a law firm or lead legal marketing, this episode will help you understand where things are headed and how to adapt before the market forces it.————————— Contents of this video —————————  00:00 – Why Legal Marketing Is About to Change00:37 – Introduction and 2026 Marketing Outlook01:02 – The Shift From Traditional TV to Streaming and Social08:47 – AI Fatigue and the Return of Human Connection11:37 – Why Google Gemini Will Lead the AI Race13:56 – Consolidation Across Law Firms, Tech, and Agencies20:31 – The Death of Vanity Metrics23:11 – Full Funnel Marketing Becomes the Standard26:13 – Transparency and Legal Advertising Regulation27:38 – The Rise of the Influencer Lawyer29:15 – Final Thoughts and What Comes Next
After a slow start to 2026, the Mass Tort docket is heating up fast.In this week’s Tort Talk, Marc Rioux and Joe Fantini break down a packed slate of major developments shaping the year ahead, including rare Supreme Court action, an important bellwether trial, and mounting pressure on defendants in ongoing litigation.Topics covered in this episode include:The Supreme Court’s decision on the Boy Scouts bankruptcy settlement appeal and what it means for survivor compensationWhat to watch next as the Supreme Court considers whether to take up the Roundup preemption appealThe first bellwether trial underway in the Uber Sex Assault MDL and why this case mattersThe EPA’s announcement that it is reassessing the safety of Paraquat and how that review could impact litigation and potential settlementsWith pressure coming from the Supreme Court, the EPA, MDLs, and state courts, 2026 is shaping up to be a pivotal year in mass tort litigation.Subscribe for weekly Tort Talk updates covering the most important rulings, trials, and trends in the mass tort world.————————— Contents of this video ————————— 00:00 – Intro and What’s Driving Mass Tort Momentum in 202600:45 – Supreme Court Decision on Boy Scouts Bankruptcy Appeal02:25 – Roundup Appeal: What the Supreme Court May Do Next04:00 – Uber Sex Assault MDL: First Bellwether Trial Underway05:08 – Paraquat: EPA Reassesses Safety of the Herbicide06:56 – Closing Thoughts and What to Expect Next in 2026
What happens when a trial lawyer stops overthinking and just hits record?In this episode, Marc sits down in Los Angeles with Harry Nalbandyan, partner at Levin & Nalbandyan and host of Harry Handles It, to talk about the real value of content creation for lawyers (hint: it is not “becoming an influencer”).They get into why podcasting is a cheat code for communication, leadership, and relationship-building, plus what changes when your firm scales from a scrappy team to 115 people. Harry shares hard-earned lessons on hiring, culture, developing A-players, and why the best leaders focus on making everyone around them better.If you’ve been sitting on an idea, waiting until it’s perfect, this conversation is your reminder: Just handle it.————————— Contents of this video —————————  00:00 – Introduction01:34 – Inception of 'Harry Handles It' Podcast03:57 – Mastering Communication Skills11:43 – Content Creation Strategies for Lawyers17:02 – Harry’s First Podcast Episode (Lessons Learned)21:08 – Leadership and Team Dynamics in Law Firms28:39 – Structuring a Multi-Practice Law Firm30:25 – Recruiting and Retaining Top Talent33:53 – The Importance of Culture and Transparency38:41 – Freeing Yourself Up as a Leader and Investing in Capacity42:29 – The 10-80-10 Principle for Leadership & Developing Talent45:43 – Final Thoughts on Leadership and Growth
In the first episode of the year, Jon Robinson, Marc Rioux, and Joe Fantini kick off January Power Rankings, counting down the Top 10 mass torts your firm should have on its radar.This month brings a major shakeup: Roundup falls from the top spot and there’s a new #1 to start the year. We also cover key inflection points coming fast, including Science Day in Hair Relaxer, bellwether trials in Uber Sex Abuse and Social Media Addiction, and a potential Supreme Court decision that could shape Roundup’s trajectory in 2026.If you’re building or managing mass tort inventory, this is the quick, tactical overview to start the year.————————— Contents of this video ————————— 00:00 – Tort Talk is back: January 2026 Power Rankings begin00:30 – #10 Toxic Baby Food: MDL expert ruling could change everything01:30 – #9 Talcum Powder: largest active tort, bellwether pressure and 2026 settlement prediction02:54 – #8 GLP-1 Weight Loss Drugs: vision loss vs GI injuries, case-count outlook and next steps04:54 – #7 Roblox: new MDL, qualifying injury questions, and long-term exposure06:18 – #6 Depo-Provera: FDA warning update weakens preemption argument07:42 – #5 Uber Sex Abuse: bellwether trial next week and causation issues08:56 – #4 Roundup: Supreme Court watch and why it slid this month10:51 – #3 Social Media Addiction: early 2026 bellwethers and mounting pressure on Big Tech12:33 – #2 Video Game Addiction: California JCCP momentum and settlement rumors13:44 – One to Watch: Bair Hugger (3M) and rising trial pressure14:58 – Wait and See: Tylenol appeal and possible revival15:35 – #1 Hair Relaxer: Science Day and the new top-ranked mass tort16:33 – NTL Miami preview: live Tort Talk + Jon & Marc Podcast
Asbestos litigation is one of the most demanding areas of plaintiff law. The timelines are urgent. The clients are gravely ill. The competition is intense.And no firm handles more mesothelioma cases than The Gori Law Firm.In this episode of The Jon and Marc Podcast, filmed live at MTMP, Sara Salger and Chris Layloff reveal how Gori became one of the top asbestos filers in the country and what it really takes to win these cases at scale.Tune in and learn:How Gori scaled from 16 team members to nearly 200Why mesothelioma cases move faster than most mass tortsHow lung cancer claims fit into the asbestos landscapeWhy talc exposure reshaped the litigationThe real economics behind seven-figure mesothelioma casesHow to intake and fast track a case before it is too lateIf you want to understand asbestos litigation, build a mesothelioma practice, or partner with the leaders in this space, this episode gives you the blueprint.————————— Contents of this video —————————  00:00 – Introduction00:42 – Meet Sara Salger and Chris Layloff from The Gori Law Firm02:54 – Growing from 16 staff to 200 and 7 offices04:17 – How Gori recruits and trains legal talent06:56 – The state of asbestos litigation in 202508:38 – Why every case is individually litigated12:53 – The race against time with terminal clients19:35 – The growing cost and competition for mesothelioma cases22:46 – How to properly handle an asbestos intake24:51 – Why Gori sends lawyers into the living room28:13 – How Gori acquires asbestos cases29:51 – Recommendations for building a referral network31:44 – Talc and the new wave of asbestos exposure34:14 – Understanding a mesothelioma diagnosis36:21 – Implications of the link between talc and mesothelioma38:10 – Asbestos litigation outside of the United States42:08 – Why a third of mesothelioma victims never pursue claims44:47 – Final advice: You need specialized partners in asbestos
Which moments made people pause instead of scrolling?In this special edition of The Jon & Marc Podcast, we’re breaking down the 10 moments from 2025 that sparked the biggest conversations, strongest reactions, and most meaningful takeaways for law firm owners, marketers, and operators.This short-form highlight episode pulls 10 standout clips from 10 different episodes, each focused on a real issue firms are navigating right now, from conferences and content to AI, community, and mass tort litigation.If you missed an episode this year or want a sharp recap of what’s shaping the plaintiff bar heading into 2026, this is the place to start.————————— Contents of this video ————————— 00:11 – Dave Thomas: The real value of legal conferences01:33 – Hunter Garnett: Why authentic content works02:13 – Jerry Zhou: AI, law firm data, and responsible use03:26 – Jon & Marc: Why Google is going to win in search04:17 – Trudy Emlaw: Personalization, human touch, and what doesn’t scale05:08 – Mike Bonamarte: Using AI to strengthen closing arguments06:34 – Rob Levine: How law firms actually make more money07:44 – Cassidy Lewis: Competing with national firms at the local level09:17 – Eddie & Chuck Farah: A Rolling Stones–inspired marketing campaign10:35 – Rick Meadow: Mass torts, video game addiction, and what’s coming next
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