The Fifth Gait Podcast

How much weight can a horse safely carry? In this episode of the Fifth Gait Podcast, we sit down with equine scientist and certified trainer Johannes to discuss one of the most debated topics in the Icelandic horse world: rider weight and horse welfare.Johannes recently defended his master’s thesis at Hólar University, where he studied horse-to-rider body weight ratios in Icelandic horse sport. His research collected data from riders and horses at the World Championships, giving rare insight into how rider weight, horse conformation, training level, and workload all interact.In this conversation we dive into the science behind rider weight limits, common misconceptions about how much weight Icelandic horses can carry, and why the conversation is far more complex than a simple percentage rule.Johannes also shares what surprised him most during the research process, the challenges of collecting data from elite riders, and how science can support — rather than criticize — riders and trainers.We also explore the future of Icelandic horse breeding and horsemanship, including whether horses should be bred bigger, how conformation affects weight carrying capacity, and why education and research are critical for maintaining our social license to operate in equestrian sport.If you’re passionate about Icelandic horses, equine science, training, and horse welfare, this episode offers an in-depth look at one of the most important conversations happening in the horse world today.Topics Covered:Horse and rider weight ratios explainedWhat the science actually says about how much weight horses can carryData collection at the Icelandic Horse World ChampionshipsCommon myths about rider weight limitsHorse conformation and weight carrying abilityThe future of Icelandic horse breedingWhy equine research matters for the future of horsemanshipSubscribe for more conversations about Icelandic horses, training, breeding, and equine science.SUBSCRIBE to our YouTubeFOLLOW on InstagramFOLLOW on Facebook

In Episode 14 of The Fifth Gait Podcast, we kick off the new year with an honest, reflective conversation about the past, present, and future of Icelandic horsemanship. Recorded on our way to Iceland for a sales horse trip, this episode dives into our biggest lessons from 2025, what we’re most excited about in 2026, and how our businesses, training goals, and perspectives as horse people are evolving.We discuss the growth of our students, workshops, and competitive journeys, along with a major shift: stepping intentionally into Icelandic horse sales and what ethical, community-driven horse sales should look like in the U.S. market. We also explore larger themes shaping the horse industry today — from the value of real, in-person experiences to personal responsibility, horse welfare, practical care practices, and the future of horsemanship beyond scores and rankings.This episode is a thoughtful look at where the Icelandic horse community is headed, why ownership matters, and how curiosity — not shame — can move our industry forward.Topics covered:Icelandic horsemanship in 2026Reflecting on 2025 highlights & student successEthical Icelandic horse sales & importing horses from IcelandBuilding strong horse-and-rider partnershipsLiberty training & bridleless competitionWorkshops vs clinics in horse educationHorse care, welfare, and practical managementThe future of horsemanship beyond competition scores🎧 Whether you’re an Icelandic horse owner, trainer, competitor, or lifelong student of horsemanship, this episode offers grounded insight and forward-thinking conversation.Watch on YouTubeFollow on InstagramFollow on Facebook

In Episode 13 of The Fifth Gait Podcast, we sit down with one of the most influential voices in the Icelandic horse world: Þorgeir Guðlaugsson. Known as an international sport judge, writer, educator, innovator, and respected Icelandic horse historian, Þorgeir brings decades of insight into the development of Icelandic horse sport, judging methodology, training philosophy, and the future of our community.From his childhood on a farm with over 200 horses, learning from his legendary grandfather, to becoming one of the most recognized judges across Europe and the United States, Þorgeir shares extraordinary stories, lessons, and perspectives that every rider, trainer, breeder, and judge can learn from.We explore: • How Þorgeir’s early experiences shaped his philosophy on horsemanship • The psychology of horse training and maintaining the horse’s spirit • Becoming an international sport judge — and why he never wanted to quit • Objectivity vs. subjectivity in sport judging • Biomechanics, gait analysis, and the future of measurement-based judging • Why Icelandic horse welfare is leading the equestrian world • The strengths and flaws in today’s competition system — and how to improve it • The forgotten history of Icelandic horses in America (1880s–1920s!) • What riders misunderstand most about judging • The future of five-gait competition and pace tests • The importance of community, cooperation, and preserving our sportThis is one of the deepest, most insightful conversations we’ve had on the podcast — packed with wisdom, history, and forward-thinking ideas that will challenge the way you look at Icelandic horses, training, and competition.If you are passionate about the Icelandic horse, this episode is simply unmissable.WATCH on YouTubeFollow on InstagramFollow on Facebook

In Episode 12 of The Fifth Gait Podcast, we sit down with Virginia — USIHC President, Icelandic horse breeder, certified trainer, former professional opera singer, and lifelong equestrian. From competing as a show jumper and running a bustling boarding barn to discovering the magic of Icelandic horses, Virginia shares her inspiring journey through the horse world and beyond.We dive into:Her transition from the opera stage to the stableHow she fell in love with Icelandic horsesBuilding thriving riding schools & growing the Icelandic community in the U.S.The role of leadership, mentorship, and positive energy in horsemanshipBreeding goals for the future of Icelandic horses in AmericaDeveloping trainers, education, and youth involvement in the USIHCThe importance of harmony, partnership, and listening to your horseWhy horses are better than therapy — and how they bring out the best in usVirginia also shares her insights on Icelandic culture, traveling to Iceland, attending the World Championships, and the future of U.S. Icelandic horse breeding and sportWhether you’re passionate about Icelandic horses, equestrian education, dressage, breeding, or simply pursuing joy in partnership with horses, this episode will inspire you to keep growing, stay curious, and enjoy the journey.Watch on YouTubeFollow on InstagramFollow on Facebook

In this episode, we sit down with Hulda Geirsdóttir—international FEIF judge, Icelandic horse breeder, journalist, and radio host—to explore her multifaceted journey through horsemanship and media. Hulda shares how she blends storytelling and horses, her path from Iceland to Colorado State University, and the creation of her legendary stallion Frister frá Feti syndicate. We dive deep into her philosophy on judging, horse welfare, and the future of sport competition, plus her reflections on community, education, and the evolving “social license” of horse sport. Whether you’re a dedicated Icelandic horse enthusiast, a judge in training, or passionate about ethical horsemanship, this conversation offers wisdom, humor, and heart from one of Iceland’s most respected voices.Watch it on YouTubeFollow on InstagramFollow on Facebook

In this episode of The Fifth Gait Podcast, hosts sit down with Iceland-based trainers Jessie Huijbers and Hörður Óli Sæmundarson of Gröf Farm to explore the art and science of Icelandic horse training. They share their journeys from the Netherlands and Iceland to Hólar University, discuss their systematic approach to starting young horses, and explain why discipline, lightness, and clear communication are key to balanced, confident mounts. The pair also dive into breeding philosophy, preserving five-gait genetics, the influence of legendary Vatnsleysa bloodlines, and how to produce reliable, honest horses suited for both competition and everyday riders. Listeners gain rare insight into modern Icelandic horsemanship, training ethics, and the evolving future of horse breeding and welfare.SUBSCRIBE to our YouTubeFollow us on InstagramFollow us on Facebook

In this episode of The Fifth Gait Podcast, we sit down with Patrick Sullivan of Gamilah Unbridled, a renowned liberty trainer and brideless rider best known for his incredible cross-country ride from California to Kentucky on his horse Gamilah. Patrick shares how he discovered liberty horsemanship, the lessons he’s learned from rescue horses, and why freedom within boundaries builds deeper trust and connection.We dive into:How Patrick’s journey into liberty training began and why it reshaped his approach to horses.The role of faith and core values in his horsemanship and business.The unique strengths (and challenges) of working with Icelandic horses compared to other breeds.Insights from rescue horse rehabilitation and what owners can do to prevent horses from ending up in rescues.Why true liberty is about giving horses freedom to think while still providing structure.Whether you’re passionate about liberty training, interested in Icelandic horses, or simply want to hear inspiring stories of partnership between horses and people, this conversation is packed with practical wisdom and heartfelt reflections.👉 Tune in and discover why Patrick believes liberty is the foundation for all disciplines—and how it can transform the way we connect with our horses.Watch us on YouTubeFollow us on InstagramFollow us on Facebook

In Episode 8 of The Fifth Gait Podcast, we sit down with Gumundur “Mummi” Arnarsson—renowned Icelandic horse trainer, riding teacher, and founder of Ástund Saddles. Mummi shares his journey from growing up in the stables of Reykjavík to building one of the most respected saddle brands in the world. We dive deep into saddle design, saddle fit, and the balance between tradition and innovation in Icelandic horsemanship. From training young horses to protecting equine health through better tack, this conversation offers valuable insights for riders, trainers, and equestrian entrepreneurs alike. (Apologies for the audio as the Microphones had died after recording Episode 7)Watch it on YouTubeFollow us on InstagramFollow us on Facebook

In this episode of The Fifth Gait Podcast, we sit down with Gudmar Petursson—renowned Icelandic horse trainer, educator, and founder of Hestaland in West Iceland. Gudmar shares his journey from being a young competitive rider in Iceland to building a career in the United States, where he helped introduce the Icelandic horse to a wider audience. We explore his insights on the differences between U.S. and Icelandic horsemanship, the challenges of promoting a unique breed abroad, and the lessons learned from his legendary stallion. Gudmar also dives into the deeper value of trekking across Iceland—how it transforms riders, strengthens the horse-human connection, and reconnects people with nature. Whether you’re passionate about Icelandic horses, curious about cross-cultural horsemanship, or interested in the future of equestrian practice, this episode offers a rare perspective from one of the most influential voices in the Icelandic horse world. 🎧 Listen now to discover: The biggest strengths and weaknesses of U.S. vs. Icelandic horsemanship How Icelandic horses went from “aliens” in America to a recognized breed The role of trekking in shaping better riders and deeper horse partnerships Gudmar’s philosophy on horsemanship, tradition, and innovationWatch us on YouTubeFollow us on InstagramFollow us on Facebook

Importing an Icelandic horse is a once-in-a-lifetime experience, but it comes with unique challenges—from vaccines and hoof care to acclimating to trees, bugs, and even fly spray. In this episode, we share 10 key considerations every new owner should know to help their horse transition smoothly from Iceland to a new home.Drawing from years of experience assisting with imports, we cover:Decompression and settling in after travelVaccination protocols and quarantine best practicesDaily management differences between Iceland and abroadHow to introduce imports to fly spray, hoses, and large riding arenasWhy trees, branches, and new landscapes can be overwhelmingHoof care and shoeing practices for imported horsesManaging summer eczema and environmental changesWhether you’re preparing to import your first Icelandic horse or want to better support one already adjusting, this conversation is packed with practical insights, empathy, and real-world advice.👉 Subscribe for more episodes on Icelandic horse care, training, and culture.Subscribe to our YouTubeFollow us on InstagramFollow us on Facebook

In this episode, we dive deep into the 2025 Icelandic Horse World Championships—an event that only happens every two years and brings together the best horses and riders from around the globe. From surprising results and inspiring team performances to controversial judging calls, we take a hard look at what stood out most this year.We break down:Team Iceland’s dominance and the culture behind their successThe shoe-loss controversy in the F1 finals and its impact on resultsShank bits: why shorter shanks are trending, the biomechanics behind them, and whether they’re really “less severe”Confusing walk scores and what judges may actually be rewardingFascinating data on the ages of top competition horses—many thriving into their teens and twentiesInspiring rider stories, from seasoned veterans to record-breaking pace competitorsIf you’re passionate about Icelandic horses, international sport, and thoughtful horsemanship, this episode is packed with insights, debates, and celebrations from the 2025 World Championships.Watch us on YouTubeFollow us on InstagramFollow us on Facebook

In this week’s episode, we had the honor of interviewing Oðinn Örn Jóhansson, FEIF Breeding Judge, Breeding Show Ring Master, animal welfare officer for Matvælastöfnun, and genius pace horse breeder. We talk about the current status of Icelandic horse breeding- what could be better, what should concern us, and what we can celebrate as good progress. We also talk about what it means to be sensitive to your horse’s welfare & how the reality of good animal care practices is doing the best you can, with what you have. Please enjoy this conversation- and let us know what you think!Subscribe to our YouTubeFollow us on InstagramFollow us on Facebook

In today’s episode, we are interviewing Robin Guernsey, creator & manager of the world famous social media account, I Am Glytja. Robin is witty, creative and particularly talented at making content that makes people smile - all by documenting the daily shenanigans of her six personal Icelandic horses. We have the privilege of diving deeper into how her account came to be, the value she believes horses can offer all people, and we answer some of the most common questions she gets from her followers, about Icelandic horses. We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we enjoyed recording it, and afterwards, check out all of the heartwarming content Robin is sharing on her social media account, IAmGlytja.Visit our WebsiteFollow us on YoutubeFollow on InstagramFollow on Facebook

Welcome to the Fifth Gait Podcast:We have thrown around the idea of a podcast for years - but we finally made it happen, stuck in the truck together on a 10-hour road trip home from a horse show.Our passion is the Icelandic horse - and all aspects of the worldwide community that surrounds this breed. Here, we come together as equestrian professionals to share our hardest lessons, biggest wins and our future hopes in Icelandic horsemanship.Our conversations aim to educate, inspire and grow all people like us, who love Icelandic horses - from enthusiasts and amateurs, to trainers, competitors and field specialists.In this second episode, Mackenzie will be interviewing Carrie… asking her the same series of questions Carrie asked Mackenzie in the first episode. Along with Carrie’s accomplished history in Icelandic horses, she has a unique background in Liberty horsemanship as well… so please enjoy this conversation as we dive a little deeper into horse behavior, the future of horse training, and everything in between.YoutubeInstagramFacebook

Welcome to the Fifth Gait Podcast:We have thrown around the idea of a podcast for years - but we finally made it happen, stuck in the truck together on a 10-hour road trip home from a horse show.Our passion is the Icelandic horse - and all aspects of the worldwide community that surrounds this breed. Here, we come together as equestrian professionals to share our hardest lessons, biggest wins and our future hopes in Icelandic horsemanship.Our conversations aim to educate, inspire and grow all people like us, who love Icelandic horses - from enthusiasts and amateurs, to trainers, competitors and field specialists.Today, we will be sharing with you our very first episode; where I (Carrie) interview my dear friend, colleague, and partner in these podcast adventures - Mackenzie Durbin. These questions dive deep into career origin stories, good ole shop talk, and an emphasis on training and real, day-to-day work. And finally, questions centered around the future of horsemanship and how we see the industry evolving. Please enjoy this episode, getting to know Mackenzie, and join us as we embark on this podcast Journey.YouTubeFacebookInstagram