The Unbroken With Sam Davis

How long should rehab last? It’s one of the most common questions families ask when they are trying to help a loved one with addiction. In this episode, Sam sits down with Eric Button, Executive Director of Burning Tree Lodge in Austin, Texas. Eric is also a graduate of the Burning Tree program himself — and his story is one of the most powerful examples of long-term recovery you’ll hear. Eric shares the journey from: • Meth addiction• Eight pages of arrests• Two felony probations• A life completely out of control …to long-term recovery and now helping others rebuild their lives. Eric and Sam also discuss: • What long-term treatment actually looks like • Why many people relapse after short stays in rehab • The role of family in recovery • The power of surrender in addiction recovery • What makes the Burning Tree model different • Post-admission interventions and family boundaries Eric’s story is proof that recovery is possible — even for the person who has tried everything. If your family is struggling with addiction, this conversation may give you hope and direction. This episode is brought to you by Burning Tree Programs. Burning Tree Ranch – Kaufman, Texas. Long-term, progress-based treatment for chronic relapse. Burning Tree Lodge – Austin, Texas. Insurance-based treatment focused on building a long-term recovery foundation. Learn more:https://www.burningtree.com If you or someone you love is struggling with addiction, visit: Intervention On Call https://www.interventiononcall.com Free family support meetings are held weekly. Subscribe for more conversations about addiction, family recovery, and intervention. #howlongshouldrehablast #longtermrehab #addictiontreatment #addictionrecovery #recoveryeducation #familyrecovery #sobriety #intervention #12steprecovery #addictionhelp

Alyssa Fountain is the Chief Marketing Officer at Surfside Recovery Services on the coast of southern New Jersey.  She is proud to work alongside her husband, the Founder & CEO, as they operate a nationally recognized long-term, adventure based program for men.  Their approach is rooted in the neuroscience that acknowledges physical movement rewires the brain and develops a greater sense of purpose in life.  Alyssa's role with Surfside is fluid and deeply fulfilling, often spearheading special projects, overseeing all aspects of marketing, and working collaboratively with admissions, operations, and direct care teams.  A woman in long term recovery since 18, Alyssa believes that recovery is possible, sustainable, and deeply rewarding.  Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN                                                       SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

JASON CHANE is the owner of Augustine Recovery located in St. Augustine, Florida. https://www.augustinerecovery.com/ Augustine Recovery- (904)217-0480 Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly     MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN     SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Brook McKenzie, LCDC & CEO of Burning Tree Programs.  Burning Tree is the nation's only long-term treatment program dedicated exclusively for chronic relapse. Brook is the author of "You're Waiting On You", a go to resource for families struggling with addiction. You can order your copy here: https://amzn.to/3J3uD7e For more information about Burning Tree, please visit their website using this link: https://www.burningtree.com/ Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN                                                       SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

JASON CHANE is the owner of Augustine Recovery located in St. Augustine, Florida. https://www.augustinerecovery.com/ Augustine Recovery- (904)217-0480 Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly     MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN     SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN                                                       SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

JASON CHANE is the owner of Augustine Recovery located in St. Augustine, Florida. https://www.augustinerecovery.com/ Augustine Recovery- (904)217-0480 Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly     MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN     SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Brook McKenzie, LCDC & CEO of Burning Tree Programs.  Burning Tree is the nation's only long-term treatment program dedicated exclusively for chronic relapse. Brook is the author of "You're Waiting On You", a go to resource for families struggling with addiction. You can order your copy here: https://amzn.to/3J3uD7e For more information about Burning Tree, please visit their website using this link: https://www.burningtree.com/ Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN                                                       SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Are we all addicted? Not just to substances—but to our phones, technology, stimulation, and constant distraction. In this episode of The Unbroken, Jason Chain and I start with a national conversation sparked by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who described addiction as a spiritual injury. From there, the discussion widens. We examine how rapid technological advancement has reshaped the human nervous system—how constant connection has quietly produced deeper disconnection, isolation, and loneliness. Many people now experience withdrawal not from substances, but from silence, stillness, and being alone with their thoughts. This episode explores: • Whether addiction exists on a spectrum that now includes technology • Why modern life increases anxiety, loneliness, and emotional fragmentation • How “withdrawal” shows up when phones and stimulation are removed • The difference between chemical addiction and spiritual disconnection • What real spiritual transformation looks like in a hyper-distracted world This is not an anti-technology rant. It’s a grounded conversation about what happens to humans when speed outpaces meaning—and why recovery, in any form, requires reconnection at a deeper level. Sponsor This episode is sponsored by Augustine Recovery 🔗 Learn more: https://www.augustinerecovery.com The Unbroken Podcast focuses on addiction, family systems, recovery, leadership, and what it actually takes to rebuild a life—without blame, slogans, or shortcuts.

JASON CHANE is the owner of Augustine Recovery located in St. Augustine, Florida. https://www.augustinerecovery.com/ Augustine Recovery- (904)217-0480 Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly     MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN     SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Jeff Hatch is a man defined by resilience and transformation. A former NFL player, Ivy League graduate, federal felon, and man in long-term recovery, his remarkable journey has been featured in three documentary films and earned him the President's Volunteer Service Award. Today, Jeff serves as a certified High Performance and Personal Transformation Coach and does National Business Development for Eagle Creek Ranch Recovery. Based in Vancouver, WA, he dedicates his life to helping others find recovery and reach their fullest potential. Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN                                                       SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

When Kathy Wrenn’s son became addicted, she refused to accept helplessness. Instead of giving up, she got educated, built structure, and changed how her family responded. Kathy Wrenn is a mother from Richmond, Virginia whose son struggled with addiction. While many parents are told they “can’t control it” and are handed catchphrases about “tough love,” Kathy took a different path. She asked a different question: “What can I do?” In this episode, Kathy shares: • What she changed in the family system • Why she questioned common addiction advice • How she got her husband on the same page • What structure looks like in real life • What families get wrong when they think “support” means “rescue” Today, her son has been sober nearly 8 years, and Kathy now helps other families through a support structure she operates in the Richmond area. She was also recently featured in a documentary highlighting family recovery. This conversation is about education, leadership, and refusing to stay powerless when someone you love is struggling with addiction. Sponsored by Free family support meetings every week for families navigating addiction. Private family coaching also available. Get support here: https://interventiononcall.com/live-f...

JASON CHANE is the owner of Augustine Recovery located in St. Augustine, Florida. https://www.augustinerecovery.com/ Augustine Recovery- (904)217-0480 Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly     MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN     SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. Thomas McCollum shares his personal journey with addiction and how sobriety has transformed his life.  The Intervention On Call team are happy to welcome Thomas as our newest provider.  You can find his bio and book an appointment with Thomas on our website. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN                                                       SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

This episode breaks down the mindset of the chronic relapser and what it actually takes to reach someone who seems unwilling or unable to stay sober. Sam Davis sits down with Jesse Earwood, now COO of Burning Tree Programs, who once lived that exact cycle himself. Jesse shares his personal journey from repeated relapse to long-term recovery, and what finally changed. Together, they unpack: • Why chronic relapsers don’t respond to traditional treatment • The thinking patterns that keep people stuck • The difference between wanting sobriety and being willing to change • What families misunderstand about repeated relapse • Why long-term, progress-based care is often necessary • What it really takes to help someone who is “reluctant to recover” This is a must-watch for families who feel like they’ve “tried everything” and professionals working with treatment-resistant cases. About Burning Tree Programs Burning Tree is a long-term, progress-based treatment program specializing in individuals who struggle with chronic relapse and resistance to traditional recovery approaches. Learn more about Burning Tree Programs here: https://www.burningtree.com/?utm_camp... If your loved one keeps cycling through treatment and relapse, this conversation explains why — and what may finally help.

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN                                                       SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Brook McKenzie, LCDC & CEO of Burning Tree Programs.  Burning Tree is the nation's only long-term treatment program dedicated exclusively for chronic relapse. Brook is the author of "You're Waiting On You", a go to resource for families struggling with addiction. You can order your copy here: https://amzn.to/3J3uD7e For more information about Burning Tree, please visit their website using this link: https://www.burningtree.com/ Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services. FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction. Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Melissa Brown works in behavioral health leadership and has firsthand experience with a major issue most families don’t even know exists: In Virginia, “barrier crimes” can prevent someone with a criminal record from working in direct care roles inside behavioral health and addiction treatment — even when that person is stable in recovery and qualified to serve. And here’s the reality: Some of the most effective people helping addicted individuals today are people who’ve lived it. Recovery often comes with a checkered past — but these laws can permanently block people from the very work that helps others heal. In this episode we talk about: • What Virginia “barrier crimes” are • Why these restrictions limit the treatment workforce • How this system can unintentionally hurt recovery outcomes • Second chances vs. public safety • What families, providers, and policymakers should be thinking about If your family is in crisis and needs help right now: 👉 https://interventiononcall.com/ Join our free family support meetings: 👉 https://interventiononcall.com/live-f...