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Chronicle Founder Nik Kunkel joins CoinDesk's Kate Irwin on Markets Outlook to unpack their new report that found over $12 billion in tokenized assets falling short on transparency. Kunkel breaks down the five pillars every tokenized asset needs to meet, why roughly 70% of the assets reviewed don't clear the bar, and what real-time, verifiable proof-of-asset data means for institutions like BlackRock, BNY Mellon and Galaxy racing to bring trillions onchain.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Niklas Kunkel Joins Markets Outlook
02:21 - Chronicle's New Report: Tokenization's Hidden Problem
03:50 - $12.3B Exposed: 70% of Tokenized Assets Fail the Test
06:12 - The Five Pillars Every Tokenized Asset Needs
08:18 - How to Achieve Proof of Asset
10:47 - Why Risk Isn't Priced In
12:57 - BlackRock, BNY Mellon and the Road to Real-Time Regulation
Transform Ventures CEO and author of "Bitcoin Supercycle” Michael Terpin joins CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook to explain why he believes the bear market is over and "Bitcoin winter," the long climb back to the top, has officially begun. Terpin lays out his path to $120K by late next year, why 2028-29 could bring a rare collision of presidential and stock market cycles, when he sees million-dollar bitcoin, and why he believes an altcoin supercycle is coming too.
Plus, GSR’s Managing Director of Asset Management Andy Baehr on why fixed income, not equities, will be the real catalyst that takes tokenization mainstream.
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This episode is brought to you by Grayscale, the world's largest digital asset-focused investment platform. Grayscale's mission is to make digital asset investing simple and open to every investor. Learn more at grayscale.com.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Michael Terpin Joins Markets Outlook
01:02 - Bitcoin Winter Is Here: Why the Bull Market Has Begun
02:40 - The Four Seasons of Bitcoin, Explained
04:45 - The Path to $120K Bitcoin
06:02 - Does the AI Trade Make This Cycle Different?
07:34 - When Bitcoin Breaks From Risk Assets
08:52 - The 2028-29 Cycle Collision
10:39 - Why Million-Dollar Bitcoin Needs a Supercycle
12:58 - Brand New Rails: Why Fixed Income Beats Equities for Tokenization
16:12 - Million-Dollar Bitcoin by 2037?
17:45 - 95% Mined: The Coming Supply Shock
18:38 - 28M Millionaires, 21M Bitcoin: What the Market Is Missing
19:44 - What Happens When the Last Bitcoin Is Mined?
20:52 - The Coming Altcoin Supercycle
22:53 - Memecoins Meet Tokenized Stocks
Nikhil Chandhok, Chief Technology and Product Officer at Circle, joins CoinDesk Contributor Kate Irwin on Markets Outlook the day Arc mainnet goes live. Chandhok explains why gas on Arc is USDC and not a native token, how opt-in privacy works, why BlackRock and Visa signed on as validators, and what changes for institutions when GENIUS rules take effect in January.
Plus, Beezie Founder and CEO Andrea Miele on why tokenized luxury goods are the next frontier for provenance and liquidity.
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This episode is brought to you by Grayscale, the world's largest digital asset-focused investment platform. Grayscale's mission is to make digital asset investing simple and open to every investor. Learn more at grayscale.com.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Nikhil Chandhok Joins Markets Outlook
00:59 - CLARITY Failed. Why GENIUS Is Circle's Guiding Light
02:37 - Circle Announces Arc Mainnet
03:00 - How Opt-In Privacy Works on Arc
04:35 - Why Gas Is USDC and Not a Native Token
06:52 - Will AI Agents Take Over Onchain Activity?
10:10 - Brand New Rails: Tokenized Luxury with Beezie
13:11 - Why BlackRock and Visa Signed On as Validators
15:20 - DeFi on Arc: Aave, Morpho and Uniswap
16:43 - The Biggest Challenge Facing Institutions
18:45 - Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Why Circle Isn't Bearish
Ran Neuner, Founder of Crypto Banter, joins Coindesk’s Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook with charts in hand to explain why Bitcoin's pullback from $82K is textbook post-golden-cross behavior, and why he thinks the real story is what comes next. Neuner breaks down Scott Bessent's Treasury buybacks as the engine of the rally, why ETH just broke a nine-year downtrend against Bitcoin, and why he's rotating out of layer ones and into apps with real users and revenue.
Plus, Energy Substantiation Co-Founder Wil Harris joins Brand New Rails to explain why hard-to-custody assets, like oil, are tokenization's real frontier.
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This episode is brought to you by Grayscale, the world's largest digital asset-focused investment platform. Grayscale's mission is to make digital asset investing simple and open to every investor. Learn more at grayscale.com.
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This episode is brought to you by RealFi, a smarter stablecoin, backed by real-world assets. Join the Testnet now at realfi.co.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Ran Neuner Joins Markets Outlook
00:45 - The Golden Cross and Bitcoin's Pullback
02:31 - Bessent's Buybacks and Why $6B Disappointed the Market
03:56 - Oil, the War, and Trump's $1.4T Stimulus Promise
06:47 - Brand New Rails: Tokenized WTI Crude Oil
09:37 - "Crypto's Biggest Bull Market Ever"
11:33 - ETH Breaks a Nine-Year Downtrend Against Bitcoin
14:03 - Altcoins to 7X Bitcoin? Crypto's Product Market Fit
18:02 - Why AI Agents Are Crypto's Real Use Case
19:54 - What Makes an Altcoin Win: Users, Revenue, Buybacks
Matt Hougan, Chief Investment Officer of Bitwise Asset Management, joins Jennifer Sanasie for a special edition of Markets Outlook from the New York Stock Exchange to unpack the market's overnight flip from despair to euphoria. Hougan explains why a traditional 60/40 portfolio is "100% fiat currency," why holding 0% Bitcoin has become a misallocation, and where he's allocating now. Plus, why he gives Bitcoin a good chance of reclaiming $100K this year and sees $1.3 million by 2035.
Stellar Development Foundation CEO Denelle Dixon also joins to unpack Stellar crossing $4 billion in tokenized real-world assets, a 400% jump since January.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Matt Hougan Joins Markets Outlook
00:45 - Despair to Euphoria: What Flipped the Market
03:20 - AI Stocks vs. Bitcoin
05:49 - Brand New Rails: Stellar Crosses $4B in Tokenized RWAs
08:05 - Bitcoin, Zcash, and the Tokenization Trade
14:15 - Matt's Bitcoin Price Prediction This Year and By 2035
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This episode is brought to you by Grayscale, the world's largest digital asset-focused investment platform. Grayscale's mission is to make digital asset investing simple and open to every investor. Learn more at grayscale.com.
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This episode is brought to you by RealFi, a smarter stablecoin, backed by real-world assets. Join the Testnet now at realfi.co.
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This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.








