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What’s really behind the shift we’re seeing in regional property market trends, especially along the NSW South Coast? In this episode, we sit down with our good friend and local expert Matthew Knight as someone who’s been living and breathing this stuff for years, to give us the real story. We’ve heard all the noise about COVID booms and tree changers flooding coastal towns, but what happens after the rush settles? Are people still moving out of the city, or has the tide gone out? Matthew walks us through what he’s seeing on the ground; where prices surged way too far, where they’ve pulled back, and which areas are starting to bounce back. We talk about the rise of Airbnb buyers again, the return of holiday home interest, and how first-home buyers have actually had some solid opportunities, despite what the headlines say. The regional property market trends aren’t one-size-fits-all, and this chat really digs into why. We also get into infrastructure changes like the Shell Cove Marina and new hospitals, and how those are making a real difference for retirees, families, and essential workers looking to settle in. And of course, we couldn’t help but talk about schools, childcare, and what happens when a region grows faster than it’s ready for. This one’s a grounded, honest look at life beyond the cities; what’s working, what’s struggling, and what might be next. If you’ve been watching regional property market trends and wondering where things are headed, this episode’s got plenty to chew on. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:12 - Who is Matthew Knight? 01:29 - How has the South Coast property market changed since COVID? 05:44 - Which areas were hit hardest when the South Coast boom was corrected? 08:18 - Did city buyers push prices beyond what locals consider fair value? 10:53 - Why are some beach towns struggling more than others? 13:15 - Are more investors shifting to short-term rentals like Airbnb? 15:49 - Why have some people reversed their sea change and returned to the city? 23:36 - Did first-home buyers take advantage of softer conditions in 2024? 28:40 - What infrastructure upgrades are reshaping the region? 32:01 - Are zoning changes and new housing keeping up with growth? 33:41 - What broke when the population boomed and is it being fixed? 36:45 - What does the next five years look like for the regional market? 39:37 - How much does the future of remote work affect the coast’s appeal? 42:07 - Do locals just visit the city when they need a dose of culture or convenience? 46:22 - Matthew Knight’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Matthew Knight is the Founder and Director of Precium, a buyer’s agency specialising in regional New South Wales, particularly the NSW South Coast. With over two decades of experience in property investment and market analysis, Matt combines data-driven insight with a practical understanding of local dynamics. A long-time resident of the South Coast himself, he has firsthand knowledge of the region’s unique challenges and opportunities. Matt is widely respected for his integrity, deep local expertise, and commitment to helping homebuyers, investors, and downsizers make informed, confident property decisions. Connect with Matthew Knight: LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattknightprect Instagram https://www.instagram.com/preciumproperty/ Website https://precium.com.au/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!   Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For many Australians trying to enter the property market, the promise of buying a home with just a 5% deposit sounds like a breakthrough. Government-backed schemes designed to support first home buyers have made headlines, but how much do they actually help buyers in practice? And what happens when thousands of buyers suddenly gain access to the same opportunity?In this episode, Veronica and Chris sit down with mortgage broker and National First Home Buyer Specialist Jack Elliott to unpack how first home buyer schemes actually work from the lending side. They explore the mechanics behind borrowing capacity, the role banks play in approving these loans, and the reality buyers face when trying to secure property in an increasingly competitive entry-level market.The conversation also dives into the unintended consequences of these policies. While schemes like the First Home Guarantee can lower the barrier to entry, they can also increase competition in the very markets first home buyers are targeting. As more buyers gain access to financing, the question becomes whether these policies truly improve affordability—or simply shift the dynamics of demand.If you're considering buying your first property or trying to understand how government incentives shape the market, this episode offers a grounded look at how these schemes operate in the real world—and what buyers need to know before stepping in.Episode Highlights00:34 — Meet Mortgage Broker Jack Elliott04:41 — How the First Home Guarantee Scheme Works06:36 — The Hidden Risks of 95% Home Loans12:48 — Buyer Rush and Rising Market Competition17:19 — Eligibility Rules First Buyers Must Understand19:39 — Planning for Long-Term Home Ownership24:51 — Price Caps and the Resale Ceiling Problem27:11 — How Bigger Deposits Change Buyer Strategy28:22 — When First Home Buyers Should Use a Buyers Agent32:05 — Why First Home Buyers Struggle to Enter the Market35:30 — Why Patience Matters in a Hot Property Market37:24 — Why Property Can Be Easier to Sell Than Buy42:49 — Who Should Consider Shared Equity Schemes47:09 — New Loan Products Buyers Should Watch49:05 — Policy Risks Around New Build Incentives54:06 — The Danger of Buying Property in a Rush55:13 — Final Advice for First Home BuyersAbout the GuestJack Elliott is a mortgage broker and National First Home Buyer Specialist who works directly with Australian home buyers navigating the lending process. Through his work, Jack helps clients understand their borrowing capacity, structure loan applications, and secure financing across a range of lenders.With day-to-day exposure to how banks assess risk, deposits, and borrower profiles, Jack brings a practical perspective on how lending policies and government incentives influence the property market. His experience working with first home buyers provides valuable insight into the challenges many Australians face when trying to secure their first home.Connect with JackJack’s LinkedInAlcove Mortgage AdvisoryFirst Home UnlockedFirst Home Unlocked | Podcast on SpotifyFirst Home Unlocked - PodcastFirst Home Unlocked - YouTubeFirst Home Unlocked (@firsthomeunlocked) • Instagram photos and videosFirst Home UnlockedFirst Home Unlocked’s TikTok First Home Unlocked’s LinkedIn ResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXCathy0?si=26cde394fa854765If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

The success of a property development project is heavily influenced at the site selection stage. Before construction begins, developers assess land based on planning controls, feasibility, and long-term project viability.In this episode, Veronica and Chris speak with Ryan Bennetts, a site acquisition and origination specialist who works directly with developers to identify and secure development opportunities. Ryan explains how developers assess planning controls, evaluate zoning potential, and calculate residual land values before making offers that can run into the millions. The conversation also explores the complex negotiations involved in assembling development sites, particularly when multiple property owners or strata buildings are involved.With governments introducing new rezoning policies and transport-oriented development initiatives, the development landscape is rapidly changing. Suddenly, many suburban properties are being targeted by developers, and some homeowners are receiving offers far above traditional market value. But as Ryan explains, not every property benefits equally—and the process of turning land into a viable development site can take years.If you’ve ever wondered how developers identify development opportunities, how land values change after rezoning, or what happens when your property becomes part of a potential development site, this episode pulls back the curtain on the realities of site acquisition.Episode Highlights01:22 — Meet Site Acquisition Expert Ryan Bennetts03:04 — How Developers Hunt for Rezoning Opportunities07:27 — Why 75% Approval Still Isn’t Enough09:19 — How Rezoning Reforms Changed the Game17:39 — Creative Deal Structures and Playing the Long Game20:51 — Where Development Deals Usually Fall Apart23:38 — Holdouts, Negotiations, and Owner Leverage24:52 — The Myth of Unlimited Developer Capacity25:44 — How Developers Diversify Their Projects26:45 — Why Sydney and Melbourne Feasibilities Differ27:29 — Builder Insolvencies and Development Risk29:09 — Why Some Developers Build In-House30:34 — The Migration Shift Helping Melbourne33:00 — Builder Shortages Meet Development Demand36:25 — Feasibility Sensitivities Developers Watch Closely38:41 — Conditional vs Unconditional Site Deals41:25 — Why Rezoning Doesn’t Guarantee Approval47:09 — The Rise of Build-to-Rent in Australia48:49 — Final Thoughts and Listener QuestionsAbout the GuestRyan Bennetts is a site acquisition and origination specialist working with property developers to identify and secure development opportunities.His work focuses on sourcing development sites, analysing planning controls, negotiating with landowners, and structuring deals that allow developers to assemble and acquire land for future projects. This often involves complex negotiations with multiple property owners and navigating planning frameworks that determine what can ultimately be built on a site.Because Ryan operates at the very front end of the development process, he has unique insight into how developers determine land value, assess rezoning opportunities, and decide which sites are worth pursuing. His experience provides a rare behind-the-scenes look at how development projects begin long before construction ever starts.Connect with RyanRyan Bennetts - Head of Acquisitions at Central Element | LinkedIn ResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6EIf you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

For years, we’ve treated housing affordability as a demand problem — interest rates, borrowing power, incentives. But what if the real issue sits deeper in the system?In this episode, we unpack the structural forces shaping Australia’s housing market, from planning constraints to policy decisions that have quietly restricted supply for decades.Joined by planning reform advocate Melissa Neighbor and economist Emilie Dye, we explore the structural issues baked into Australia’s housing system — from restrictive zoning laws and slow approval processes to the political incentives that favour existing homeowners. We also dive into the concept of “gentle density,” why three-storey townhouses could be a missing middle solution, and how cities like Auckland have used upzoning to stabilise housing pressures without crashing the market.But this isn’t just a supply story. We challenge the idea of housing as an investment vehicle versus a place to live, unpack intergenerational inequality, and examine why forcing people into renting can actually make them worse off. The conversation also tackles the uncomfortable reality: increasing supply may solve affordability — but not without trade-offs, including financial outcomes for buyers and resistance from existing communities.This episode cuts through the noise with a clear-eyed look at what needs to change — and what most people are still getting wrong about housing in Australia. If you care about affordability, investing, or the future of our cities, this is one you can’t afford to ignore.Episode Highlights01:07 — Meet the Guests: Planning & Economics Perspectives01:56 — What Does a Fair Housing System Look Like?04:23 — Planning Restrictions and the Supply Bottleneck06:40 — Why Reforms Are Facing Community Resistance11:43 — Upzoning, Windfalls, and Affordability Trade-Offs13:43 — Why Only Luxury Projects Are Getting Built17:14 — Winning Public Support for Housing Reform20:50 — Balancing Emotional Costs and Infrastructure Strain23:41 — Why Sydney Must Embrace More Density24:38 — Global Cities and Lessons for Housing Reform26:55 — What’s Actually Being Built Across NSW27:42 — The Reality of Upzoning in Established Suburbs28:05 — Backlash, Compromise, and Policy Missteps29:30 — How the Housing Crisis Forced Policy Change30:23 — Should Housing Be an Investment or a Home?47:19 — Final Thoughts and Listener Q’sAbout the GuestsMelissa Neighbor is a town planner, community engagement expert, and co-founder of Sydney YIMBY, a movement advocating for increased housing supply and planning reform across New South Wales. With deep experience in urban planning and policy, Melissa is a leading voice in the push for more efficient housing delivery, better zoning outcomes, and meaningful community engagement in development decisions.Emilie Dye is an economist and commentator focused on intergenerational housing inequality and housing accessibility in Australia. Her work, including the widely discussed piece “Housing is Becoming a Pipe Dream for Young Australians,” has been featured across major national publications. Emilie brings a data-driven perspective to the housing debate, challenging conventional thinking around homeownership, affordability, and the role of housing in wealth creation.Connect with MelissaMelissa’s LinkedInMelissa’s InstagramMelissa’s XThe New IQ (website)Sky Planning (website)Connect with EmilieEmilie’s LinkedInEmilie’s XResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6EIf you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

When we talk about Australia’s housing crisis, interest rates and investors dominate the conversation—but the real drivers run deeper.In this episode, we unpack how Australian housing policy—particularly zoning and planning reform—is shaping the housing supply crisis, and whether strategic planning reform can genuinely improve affordability without destabilising the market.We explore the economics behind land scarcity, why middle suburbs have become effectively “locked up,” and how allowing three storey townhouses and gentle density could reshape housing supply. Brendan breaks down what broad upzoning actually means in practice, how Victoria and NSW are approaching reform differently, and whether these changes meaningfully shift feasibility for developers.For investors, this raises the bigger question: if scarcity underpins capital growth, what happens when supply constraints are relaxed? Does planning reform erode returns—or simply create a more functional market?If you care about Australian housing affordability, the housing supply crisis, or the long-term fundamentals of property investment, this episode cuts through the politics and gets to the economics.Episode Highlights03:28 — It’s Planning Bans, Not Approval Delays05:58 — The Real Demand for Missing Middle Housing09:01 — Melbourne’s Affordability Trade-Off Explained13:30 — Development Costs and Feasibility Realities15:31 — The Hidden Zoning Tax on Housing Supply18:06 — Why Townhouses Beat High-Rise in Suburbs21:36 — The Economics of Three-Storey Townhouses24:38 — Land Size, Lot Layouts and Buyer Preferences26:26 — Property Advice and Strategic Thinking27:33 — Sydney vs Melbourne: A Zoning Divide29:01 — NIMBY Politics and the Density Debate34:02 — Can Builders Deliver More Townhouses?38:15 — What Global Upzoning Success Looks Like39:12 — Unlocking Australia’s Locked-Up Suburbs44:04 — Stamp Duty and Why People Don’t Move48:45 — The Big Property Lesson from This Debate49:49 — Final Takeaways and Listener QuestionsLinksPlanning better cities - Grattan InstituteMore homes, better cities: Letting more people live where they wantAbout the GuestBrendan Coates is a leading housing and economic policy expert specialising in Australian housing policy and structural reform. His work focuses on planning reform, housing supply, taxation settings and the long-term drivers of housing affordability.With a strong grounding in economic modelling and public policy, Brendan brings evidence-based analysis to the debate around zoning reform, strategic planning reform, and the feasibility of medium-density housing such as three storey townhouses. His research examines how planning systems shape land scarcity, market outcomes and intergenerational equity.In this conversation, Brendan offers a measured and data-driven perspective on what it will actually take to address Australia’s housing supply crisis—and what that means for both homeowners and property investors.Connect with BrendanBrendan’s LinkedInGrattan Institute’s LinkedInGrattan Institute’s WebsiteGrattan Institute’s FacebookGrattan Institute’s YouTubeResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

For decades, the assumption was simple: by the time Australians reached retirement, the mortgage was gone. But that reality is changing fast.Today, more than half of Australians approaching retirement still carry housing debt—and it’s reshaping how households think about superannuation, the Age Pension, and the role of the family home.In this episode, Veronica and Chris sit down with retirement specialist Harry Chemay to unpack the growing debt burden among pre-retirees and what it means for the next generation of retirees. They explore why the traditional “pay off the home before retirement” rule is breaking down, how rising property prices and refinancing behaviour have changed the way Australians use housing equity, and why more people are drawing down their super simply to clear their mortgage.Harry explains the financial trade-offs between paying off your mortgage versus preserving superannuation, and why this decision can dramatically affect long-term retirement cash flow. The conversation also dives into reverse mortgages, equity release strategies, the Age Pension means test, and why downsizing isn’t always the straightforward solution many assume it to be.This episode challenges long-held assumptions about debt in retirement and highlights the need for better coordination between financial advisers, mortgage brokers, and retirement planners. Because in today’s housing market, the biggest asset most Australians own—the family home—may also be the key to making retirement work.Episode Highlights01:13 – Meet Harry Chemay: Retirement and Wealth Strategy Expert01:55 – From Robo Advice Startup to Retirement Strategy Specialist03:33 – Why More Australians Are Reaching Retirement With Mortgages08:46 – Generational Shifts, Lifestyle Choices and Mortgage Refinancing10:36 – Why Retirees Are Using Super Withdrawals to Clear Housing Debt25:14 – The Trade-Off: Paying Off Your Mortgage vs Preserving Super26:22 – A Simple Cashflow Test for Retirees Carrying Mortgage Debt27:17 – Case Study: Super Withdrawal vs Equity Release Outcomes29:17 – Will Banks Start Lending More to Retirees and Older Borrowers?32:07 – Australia’s $12 Trillion Housing Wealth Reality Explained38:55 – Downsizing vs Aging in Place: The Retirement Housing Debate42:04 – The Rise of New Retirement Living and Lifestyle Developments43:31 – Rising Homeownership Costs and Why Early Planning Matters46:20 – Rethinking Retirement Living: Building Your Own Community47:37 – A Real Family Story of Moving Parents Later in Life49:08 – Why Retirement Planning Needs a Holistic Advice Team52:12 – Final Takeaways on Retirement Debt, Super and HousingLinksThe growing debt burden of retiring AustraliansAbout the GuestHarry Chemay is a retirement and wealth specialist with nearly three decades of experience across financial planning, wealth management, asset consulting, fintech, and superannuation product design. His work focuses on the decumulation phase of retirement, helping individuals and institutions design strategies that turn accumulated wealth into sustainable retirement income.Throughout his career, Harry has worked with major financial institutions including KPMG Financial Services, Colonial (State Bank of NSW / CBA), Mercer, and Howarth Financial Services. He was also a co-founder of the fintech platform Clover, one of Australia’s early robo-advice ventures designed to help younger Australians build wealth and save for their first home.Harry holds a Bachelor of Business in Banking and Finance from Monash University, a Graduate Diploma in Applied Finance and Investments (FINSIA), and a Graduate Certificate in Self-Managed Super Funds from the University of Adelaide. He has also previously held the Certified Financial Planner (CFP) and Certified Investment Management Analyst (CIMA) designations.His current work focuses on retirement income strategies and the evolving role of housing wealth in Australia’s retirement system.Connect with HarryLinkedInLumisara (website)ResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Many investors see property development as the natural “next step” — a faster way to manufacture growth and build equity. The reality is far less straightforward: most development sites that can be built on simply don’t make money.Rob Flux, founder of the Property Development Network, joins us to break down what really changes when you move from buy-and-hold to small-scale development. We explore why 90% of developable sites aren’t profitable, how feasibility is often misunderstood, and why “profit on cost” — not hype — should drive your decisions. Rob explains the importance of site selection, overlays and constraints, demographic targeting, and why solving the right problems is what developers actually get paid for.We also dive into the practical realities: commercial vs residential funding, entity structuring mistakes, contingency planning, holding costs, and the psychological traps that come with early success. Is development just leveraged investing — or is it an entirely different career path? And in a market facing a 1.2 million home shortfall, does that make development easier… or just more competitive?If you’ve ever considered “graduating” into development, this episode is your reality check. Development can accelerate wealth — but only if you treat it with the seriousness it demands. Otherwise, it’s just an expensive lesson.Episode Highlights01:15 – Meet Rob Flux: From Investor to Developer02:04 – Why Most Developers Fail (And Don’t See It Coming)04:10 – The 10-Minute Site Test: Kill Bad Deals Fast05:00 – Overlays, Constraints & Building What Sells07:24 – The Development Sweet Spot (Before the Crowd)14:59 – Funding Models & Why Time Is Your Enemy21:14 – Market Cycles & Getting Product Fit Right27:15 – Luxury vs Volume: Two Paths to Profit28:47 – Where Population Growth Drives Real Demand32:05 – Who Actually Makes It in Development?33:44 – Feasibility 101: Profit on Cost Explained38:24 – Contingency Buffers: Protecting Your Margin39:31 – From Duplex to Six-Pack: Scaling Smart47:52 – Real-World Mistakes & Final TakeawaysAbout the GuestRob Flux is a property developer, mentor, and founder of the Property Development Network (PDN), Australia’s largest community of active small-to-medium developers. With monthly meetups across Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, PDN has become a leading education and mastermind platform for aspiring and experienced developers alike.Rob began investing at 18 and achieved financial independence by 38 — before a divorce forced him to rebuild from scratch. His first development deal delivered $1 million in profit, allowing him to leave his IT career and focus on development full time. Since then, he has refined his approach into a structured 7 Step Property Development Formula and continues to complete six- and seven-figure projects using creative acquisition and funding strategies.Beyond education, Rob serves on government advisory panels contributing to housing policy and planning reform across Australia. His mission is clear: to help 1,000 people achieve financial freedom by 2030 through smarter, more strategic property development.Connect with RobLinkedInWebsiteFacebookResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Granny flats are being sold as the answer to everything—housing affordability, rental yield, multigenerational living, even retirement planning. But once you get past the glossy numbers and council checklists, the reality is far more nuanced.In this episode, we sit down with Wally Gebrael, Co-Director at Granny Flat Solutions, to unpack what actually determines whether a granny flat works — and why so many builds quietly underperform. We break down the planning pathways (CDC vs DA), site constraints that kill feasibility, design mistakes that slash rental appeal, and the hidden costs investors rarely factor in.We also explore the bigger picture: how granny flats fit into Australia’s housing crisis, why quality and layout directly impact yield, and when a granny flat can genuinely improve cash flow, versus when it simply ties up capital. Wally shares real-world examples from thousands of builds, including what separates high-performing granny flats from regret purchases.If you’re considering building one — whether for family, flexibility, or investment — this episode will help you decide with clarity, not hype.Episode Highlights00:20 — Meet the Expert: Wally Gebrael03:12 — Financial Considerations and Value Addition06:18 — Challenges in Building Granny Flats08:44 — Council Regulations and Approval Process12:56 — Cost and Budgeting for Granny Flats23:59 — Designing Functional Spaces with a Wow Factor24:22 — Balancing Cost and Value for Investors and Homeowners25:37 — Optimal Granny Flat Designs29:52 — Impact of Interest Rates on Investments32:03 — Financial Considerations and Tax Implications37:57 — Common Mistakes in Granny Flat Projects43:43 — Final Thoughts and Listener QuestionsAbout the GuestWally Gebrael is the Co-Director at Granny Flat Solutions, one of Australia’s leading specialists in secondary dwellings. Since establishing the business in 2011, Wally and his team have delivered more than 2,500 granny flats across NSW, navigating everything from straightforward CDC approvals to complex council applications involving flood zones, heritage overlays, and high-constraint sites.With over a decade at the coalface of design, approvals, and construction, Wally brings a grounded, practical perspective to the granny flat conversation. His insights aren’t theoretical—they’re based on real budgets, real rental outcomes, and the recurring mistakes homeowners and investors make when chasing “easy yield.”In a market saturated with oversimplified advice, Wally focuses on feasibility, function, and long-term performance—not sales-driven optimism.Connect with WallyWally’s LinkedInGranny Flat Solutions’ LinkedInGranny Flat Solutions’ WebsiteGranny Flat Solutions’ InstagramGranny Flat Solutions’ FacebookGranny Flat Solutions’ YouTubeResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

NSW has moved fast to reform its planning system, promising to unlock housing supply through sweeping state-led controls. But zoning uplift alone doesn’t build homes. In this episode, we ask the harder question many in property are thinking but few say out loud: is the system genuinely delivering housing, or quietly choking supply through feasibility constraints, delays, and unintended consequences?Joining us is James Oldknow, Special Counsel at Mills Oakley, who works daily at the sharp end of planning approvals, appeals, and the NSW Land & Environment Court. James breaks down why Transport Oriented Development (TOD) has produced little real-world uptake, while the Low-to-Mid Rise (LMR) policy is driving a surge of applications—particularly in Sydney’s most expensive, tightly held suburbs.We unpack how affordable housing incentives are being used to make projects stack up, why premium locations like Mosman, Waverley, and Woollahra are seeing the most change, and how the new Housing Delivery Authority is fast-tracking large projects while sidelining local controls. Along the way, we tackle design quality, heritage, infrastructure strain, and the emotional toll these changes are having on established communities.For investors, homeowners, and anyone exposed to property in NSW, this episode is a reality check. And if you’re wondering what could be coming in other states, this could be the canary in the coalmine. The reforms aren’t a silver bullet—but they are already reshaping values, neighbourhoods, and long-term decisions for those paying attention.Episode Highlights00:00 — Introduction to NSW Planning System01:33 — Meet the Expert: James Oldknow04:41 — Challenges in TOD Applications08:33 — LMR Policy and Its Impact10:52 — Affordable Housing and Feasibility16:42 — Community Concerns and Planning Rigors26:53 — Development Typologies Across New South Wales28:59 — Concerns About Centralized Authority30:43 — Affordable Housing and Contribution Funds32:17 — Infrastructure and Traffic Concerns34:33 — Heritage and Environmental Considerations43:29 — Navigating Development Consents and Modifications45:29 — Final Thoughts and AdviceAbout the GuestJames Oldknow is Special Counsel in Mills Oakley’s Planning and Environment team, specialising in planning and development law across New South Wales. He advises landowners and developers on projects of all sizes and regularly appears before councils, planning panels, and the NSW Land & Environment Court.Working daily within the approvals and appeals system, James sees firsthand where projects stall, why others succeed, and how state policies like LMR, TOD, and the Housing Delivery Authority operate in practice—not theory. His perspective is grounded in real projects, real constraints, and real outcomes, making him uniquely placed to cut through the policy noise and explain what NSW’s planning reforms are actually delivering on the ground.Connect with JamesJames’ LinkedInMills Oakley WebsiteMills Oakley LinkedInResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Most Australians assume they’ll deal with retirement living and aged care when the time comes. The problem? By the time it does, the system has already made many of the decisions for you. In this episode, we unpack why delaying retirement and home care planning is one of the most expensive mistakes people make—not just financially, but emotionally and structurally.Veronica Morgan and Chris Bates are joined by Mitch Hiam, COO of Balance Financial Group, to explain how Australia’s aged care and home care systems really work—and why recent reforms are quietly changing the rules. They explore how “Support at Home,” means testing, maintenance costs, and wait times are pushing retirees into decisions earlier than expected, often under crisis conditions.The conversation challenges deeply held assumptions about staying in the family home, downsizing, retirement villages, and intergenerational living. Mitch breaks down when home care works, when it doesn’t, and why time—not money—is the real currency in preserving choice and independence later in life.This episode is essential listening for Gen X, older Millennials, investors, and anyone with ageing parents, offering a clear warning: if you don’t plan your retirement living early, the system will plan it for you.Episode Highlights00:00 — Introduction to Retirement Living Decisions01:08 — Guest Introduction: Mitch Home from Balance Financial Group01:48 — Challenges Faced by Retired Homeowners04:05 — Importance of Early Planning for Home Care09:07 — Government Policy Changes and Their Impact16:00 — Financial Trade-offs and Family Dynamics24:21 — Granny Flat Agreements and Multigenerational Living26:31 — Inheritance and Financial Planning for Retirees29:52 — Planning for Future Care Needs30:29 — Making Better Property Decisions31:37 — Understanding Retirement Villages40:10 — Costs and Contracts in Retirement Villages52:26 — Final Thoughts and AdviceAbout the GuestMitch Hiam is the Chief Operating Officer of Balance Financial Group, a specialist advisory firm focused on retirement planning, aged care strategy, and later-life financial decision-making. His work sits at the intersection of pensions, home care funding, residential aged care, downsizing, retirement villages, and intergenerational arrangements.Mitch works closely with individuals and families navigating some of the most complex—and emotionally charged—decisions they will ever face. From proactive planning to crisis-driven aged care transitions, he brings frontline insight into how Australia’s systems actually operate, where people get caught out, and which decisions permanently limit future options.Known for his plain-spoken, practical approach, Mitch helps Australians understand the financial reality behind retirement living—so they can make informed decisions early, rather than forced ones later.Connect with MitchMitch’s LinkedInBalance Retirement & Aged Care Specialists’ LinkedInBalance Retirement & Aged Care Specialists’ WebsiteResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Multi-generational living is becoming a more common response to the uncomfortable realities facing ageing parents and their adult children.With traditional aged-care pathways increasingly expensive, emotionally fraught, and often poorly understood, families are weighing up alternatives — staying at home, moving into residential care, or reshaping the family home through shared living arrangements and granny flats.In this episode, we look under the hood of multi-generational living to explore what’s actually involved. From legal ownership and estate outcomes to pension eligibility, Centrelink rules, and family dynamics, we unpack the decisions families are making — and the risks they often don’t see until they’re already committed.Our guest, Adriana Care, is Managing Partner at Coutts Legal and works at the coalface with families navigating these choices under pressure. She’s seeing a clear shift among the so-called sandwich generation toward property-based solutions for ageing parents — raising complex questions around money, fairness, control, and what can go wrong when good intentions meet poor planning.This episode isn’t about whether multi-generational living is right or wrong. It’s about understanding the legal, financial, and practical realities behind these decisions before they become permanent.Episode Highlights01:18 — Meet Adriana Care of Coutts Legal02:08 — Is Aged Care Failing Modern Families?03:47 — The Legal and Financial Risks Families Miss05:25 — Why Families Choose Multi-Generational Living15:31 — Retirement Living vs Staying at Home20:50 — How Retirement Village Contracts Really Work25:40 — What to Know Before Making a Family Move28:10 — Inside Retirement Village Agreements28:55 — Disclosure Documents Explained29:40 — Rules and Regulations That Catch Families Out30:52 — How Family Dynamics Shape Care Decisions32:21 — Financial Elder Abuse: Legal Warning Signs35:29 — Binding Financial Agreements Explained37:46 — Pensions, Gifting, and Centrelink Rules40:21 — Why Downsizing Isn’t Always the Answer44:02 — Granny Flat Arrangements: Legal Traps49:42 — A Real Case That Shows What Can Go WrongAbout the GuestAdriana Care is the Managing Partner at Coutts Legal, where she specialises in aged care and elder law. She works closely with families navigating some of the most complex and emotionally charged decisions around ageing, care, and family living arrangements.Adriana advises clients on the legal and financial realities of home care, residential aged care, granny flats, and multi-generational living, with particular expertise in Centrelink rules, pension eligibility, and intergenerational asset arrangements. Working at the coalface, she sees first-hand how well-intentioned plans can unravel without clear structures, proper advice, and early conversations — especially for the sandwich generation balancing parents, children, and property decisions at the same time.Connect with AdrianaLinkedInCoutts Lawyers (Instagram)ResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

What if our homes did more than just provide shelter? What if they could actually contribute to the health of the planet and the people living within them? In this episode, we sit down with Caroline Pidcock, a visionary architect and champion of regenerative design, to explore why Australia’s current approach to housing is falling short—and how we can change it.Caroline shares her deep expertise on the "Circular Economy" and why we must transition from merely being "less bad" to being "positively good" for our environment. We dive into the hidden health risks of poorly designed homes, the reality of building for extreme weather, and why the "bigger is better" mindset in Australian property is a trap.What we explore in this conversation:Regenerative vs. Sustainable: Why doing "zero harm" isn't enough anymore.The Circular Economy: How to treat buildings as material banks for the future.Health and Architecture: The impact of light, air quality, and materials on your daily well-being.Building Standards: A look at why Australian regulations are trailing behind global leaders.Retrofitting for Resilience: Practical ways to improve existing homes for a changing climate.Whether you are a homeowner, an investor, or simply curious about the future of our cities, this conversation will challenge you to think differently about the spaces we inhabit. Hit play to learn how we can build a future that thrives!Episode Highlights00:00 — Welcome: Rethinking How We Build01:13 — Caroline Pidcock: Beyond Sustainability04:18 — Fixing the Flaws in Modern Design07:06 — Regenerative Design in Action17:17 — Policy Shifts for a Livable Future20:47 — Growth vs. the Environment23:23 — Hard Lessons from Failed Developments26:08 — How Our Cities are Evolving27:47 — The Reality of Melbourne’s Planning31:43 — Regional Living & Staying Connected33:08 — Leading the Charge for Urban Change35:49 — Simple Tools for Sustainable Living37:20 — The Hidden Hurdles of Rezoning40:54 — How Density Affects Our Communities48:23 — Final Thoughts: A Legacy for the FutureAbout the GuestCaroline Pidcock is a renowned Australian architect and advocate who has dedicated her career to sustainable and regenerative design. With decades of experience across residential and commercial projects, she is a past President of the Australian Institute of Architects (NSW Chapter) and the Australian Sustainable Built Environment Council (ASBEC).Caroline is a leading voice in the "Living Building Challenge" and is deeply committed to the principles of the circular economy. Her work focuses on creating spaces that are not only carbon-neutral but also enhance the biological and social systems they inhabit. Recognized for her leadership in climate action within the property industry, she continues to influence policy and practice to ensure a resilient and healthy built environment for future generations.Connect with CarolineCaroline Pidcock’s LinkedInCaroline Pidcock’s WebsiteCaroline Pidcock’s InstagramCaroline Pidcock’s Facebook PageResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Australia’s housing debate is crowded with loud opinions — but very little demographic reality.In this episode, we unpack what Australia’s population shifts are actually telling us about housing demand, cities, and economic pressure points, and why many of today’s dominant narratives fall apart when viewed through data.Demographer Simon Kuestenmacher joins Veronica and Chris to challenge the assumptions shaping housing policy, migration debates, and affordability discussions. From international students and skilled migration to household formation and labour shortages, Simon explains how population forces — not headlines — are driving long-term outcomes across property and the broader economy.The conversation explores why cutting migration won’t automatically ease housing stress, why median house prices are a misleading metric in a structurally unequal market, and why Australia’s system is quietly designed to support rising asset prices. Along the way, Simon reframes inflation, workforce shortages, and urban planning through a demographic lens that most investors and policymakers ignore.This episode is essential listening for anyone who wants to understand underlying demand, not just surface-level market movements. If you’re a property investor, owner, or decision-maker trying to make sense of housing, cities, and economic pressure in Australia, this conversation will sharpen how you think about the next decade.Episode Highlights00:00 – What Demographics Say About Housing Demand01:12 – Why Population Data Beats Property Headlines01:51 – The Migration Debate: Benefits and Misunderstandings02:47 – International Students: Cash Cows or Future Workforce?06:32 – Why Australia’s Skills Shortage Is Structural13:44 – The Fiscal Reality Behind High Migration Numbers17:36 – How Migration Policy Could Actually Be Fixed22:03 – Why Migration Isn’t the Real Cause of High Prices28:57 – The Integration Challenge for International Students31:25 – Why Australia’s Economic Model Still Works33:43 – Density, Sprawl, and the Real Cost of Bad Planning45:01 – AI Will Push Workers Back Into Offices48:34 – Why Demographics Point to Stickier Inflation50:04 – Why Median House Prices Are a Misleading Metric52:11 – The Big Demographic Blind Spots Investors MissAbout the GuestSimon Kuestenmacher is a demographer and co-founder of The Demographics Group, where he specialises in population change, migration, generational trends, and how these forces shape housing, infrastructure, and economic outcomes. His work is widely used by governments, planners, and businesses grappling with long-term structural change rather than short-term noise.Simon is a regular media commentator, a columnist for The Australian and The New Daily, and host of the Demographics Decoded podcast. He is also the author of several books on maps and data and runs one of the world’s largest social media platforms dedicated to demographic insights, reaching millions each month.Known for translating complex population data into practical insight, Simon brings clarity to some of Australia’s most emotionally charged debates — including housing affordability, migration policy, and the future of work.Connect with SimonThe Demographics Group (website)LinkedInInstagramXResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Property investing has rarely looked more seductive—or more dangerous. In this episode, Veronica and Chris unpack the growing gap between how property portfolios are being sold and how risk is quietly stacking up beneath the surface. As regulators tighten lending rules and banks pull back, the question isn’t whether the rules are changing—it’s whether investors are paying attention.The conversation dives deep into aggressive lending practices now under scrutiny: trust lending, SMSF borrowing, equity extraction, and the promise of “instant equity” through optimistic bank valuations. Veronica and Chris challenge the idea that buying multiple properties fast is a strategy, exposing how many portfolios are built on valuation certificates rather than fundamentals—and what happens when interest rates rise, rents soften, or lending conditions tighten.They also examine the uncomfortable incentives driving this behaviour: buyer’s agents rewarded for volume, brokers pushed to maximise borrowing capacity, and everyday Australians—often in their late 40s and 50s—being sold complex structures they don’t fully understand. From regional markets distorted by borderless buying to SMSFs loaded with illiquid property, the risks are not theoretical—they’re already unfolding.This episode is a warning shot. If your strategy relies on constant refinancing, rising valuations, or ever-looser lending, this conversation will force you to rethink it. Because when the cycle turns, the consequences won’t be shared evenly—and paper equity won’t save you.Episode Highlights00:00 — Introduction to Property Investing Risks01:11 — Regulatory Crackdown on Risky Lending01:46 — The Role of Buyer's Agents and Brokers03:19 — Trust Lending and Self-Managed Super Funds12:19 — Instant Equity and Market Manipulation18:40 — The Pitfalls of Following Bad Advice24:28 — Questionable Advice from Buyer's Agents25:32 — Judging Awards and Industry Practices26:16 — Vulnerable Investors and Risky Promises27:13 — APRA's Role and Investor Lending Trends29:31 — Superannuation and Property Investments35:32 — Private Lending and Market Risks42:53 — Cross Collateralization and Loan Structuring48:54 — Conclusion and Final WarningsAbout the HostChris Bates is a mortgage broker and co-founder of Alcove, working with clients across Australia to help them navigate complex property and lending decisions. Known for his data-driven approach, Chris specialises in long-term strategy, lending structures, and helping buyers avoid costly financial mistakes.Veronica Morgan is a buyer’s agent and property strategist with nearly two decades of experience advising owner-occupiers and investors. With a background in research, data analysis, and on-the-ground buying, Veronica is widely respected for cutting through market noise and focusing on fundamentals, risk, and long-term outcomes.Together, they bring a practical, evidence-based lens to Australia’s property market — challenging assumptions and unpacking what actually matters.ResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Australian property prices are often treated as a national scoreboard—up means success, down means failure.But what if that assumption is wrong? In this episode, we interrogate one of the most polarising ideas in housing today: that Australia’s obsession with ever-rising property prices is doing more harm than good.Joining Veronica and Chris is Adam Schwab, founder of Luxury Escapes and a sharp, outspoken commentator on economics, inflation, and corporate behaviour. Coming from outside the property industry, Adam brings a contrarian lens to housing—questioning whether property has become an unproductive asset, how easy credit and government incentives have distorted prices, and why policies like 5% deposit schemes may be helping vendors more than buyers.The conversation digs deep into rental yields versus capital growth, the role of the RBA in inflating asset prices, and why high house prices don’t actually benefit most owner-occupiers. Adam challenges the idea that owning property equals success, arguing that Australia’s fixation on housing is crowding out productive investment, innovation, and long-term economic resilience.This is a robust, sometimes uncomfortable discussion about incentives, risk, and who really wins when property prices keep climbing. If you care about affordability, fairness, and the future of Australia’s economy — not just short-term price movements—this episode will force you to rethink what “good” housing policy actually looks like.Episode Highlights00:00 — Introduction to the Episode and Guest00:56 — Adam Schwab's Contrarian Views on Property01:37 — Debating Property Prices and Investment02:49 — Renting vs. Buying: A Financial Analysis05:43 — The Impact of High Property Prices on Society19:02 — Monetary Policy and Housing Market26:50 — Reverse Mortgages and Their Implications27:32 — The 40-50 Year Loan Debate28:31 — Government Policies and Housing Market29:09 — Economic Logic vs. Political Motives29:33 — Risks of New Property Incentives31:22 — Banking System and Housing Bubble33:41 — Immigration and Housing Affordability35:28 — Leveraging and Property Investment42:20 — Comparing Property to Other Investments47:53 — Global Talent and Property Prices49:51 — Concluding Thoughts on Property MarketAbout the GuestAdam Schwab is the co-founder of Luxury Escapes, one of Australia’s most successful global travel businesses, which he helped scale into a billion-dollar brand. Beyond entrepreneurship, Adam has built a parallel career as a respected financial journalist and commentator, known for his sharp critiques of corporate behaviour, economic policy, and market incentives.He is also the co-host of The Contrarians podcast, where he regularly challenges mainstream narratives on markets, inflation, and government intervention. Unafraid to question sacred cows — including Australian property — Adam brings an outsider’s perspective grounded in economic fundamentals rather than industry orthodoxy.In this episode, Adam applies that contrarian mindset to housing, offering candid insights into why Australia’s property system rewards asset inflation over productivity, how easy credit fuels bubbles, and why policy settings may be entrenching inequality rather than solving it.Connect with AdamAdam’s LinkedInAdam’s InstagramLuxury Escape's WebsiteLuxury Escape’s FacebookLuxury Escape’s InstagramLuxury Escape’s YouTubeLuxury Escape’s TikTokResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

As 2025 comes to a close, property headlines are once again filling with bold predictions about what 2026 will bring. But rather than playing the forecasting game, this episode takes a more grounded approach — examining the forces already in motion and how they’re likely to shape buyer, seller, and investor behaviour in the year ahead.Chris Bates and Veronica Morgan unpack what’s really driving the market right now: persistently high interest rates, fast-rising lower-quartile prices, tight rental conditions, weak construction pipelines, and a supply side that simply isn’t recovering. They explore why listings remain constrained, how first home buyer incentives and investor lending are colliding in the same price brackets, and why borrowing capacity — not confidence — is doing most of the heavy lifting.The conversation also digs into buyer fatigue versus genuine market softening, the growing influence of global uncertainty on local decision-making, and why some cities and sub-markets may actually accelerate rather than cool. Along the way, they challenge the idea that 2026 will somehow be “easier,” especially for buyers waiting for perfect clarity before acting.If you’re considering buying, selling, upgrading, or investing in the next 12–24 months, this episode offers a clear-eyed framework for thinking strategically — without hype, predictions, or false reassurance.Episode Highlights00:00 – Introduction: Current State of the Property Market01:04 – Factors Shaping the Market in 202601:48 – Interest Rates and Market Predictions03:59 – Regional Market Variations05:58 – Investor and First Home Buyer Dynamics16:59 – Impact of Development and Zoning Changes22:54 – Work from Home and Regional Market Trends25:15 – Helping You Make Better Property Decisions26:07 – Introduction to Property Moves and Finance26:22 – Regional Markets Post-COVID27:14 – Current Market Sentiment and Interest Rates28:52 – Generational Wealth and Property Ownership32:00 – Bank Lending and Credit Growth36:51 – Auction vs. Private Treaty Markets43:00 – Renovation Trends and Challenges45:35 – Long-Term Property Investment Strategies49:48 – Conclusion and Future EpisodesAbout the HostsChris Bates is a mortgage broker and co-founder of Alcove, working with clients across Australia to help them navigate complex property and lending decisions. Known for his data-driven approach, Chris specialises in long-term strategy, lending structures, and helping buyers avoid costly financial mistakes.Veronica Morgan is a buyer’s agent and property strategist with nearly two decades of experience advising owner-occupiers and investors. With a background in research, data analysis, and on-the-ground buying, Veronica is widely respected for cutting through market noise and focusing on fundamentals, risk, and long-term outcomes.Together, they bring a practical, evidence-based lens to Australia’s property market — challenging assumptions and unpacking what actually matters.ResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

In this episode, we pull back the curtain on one of the least transparent parts of Australia’s property market: sales campaign behaviour. From hidden campaign histories to shifting price guides and agent tactics designed to manufacture buyer momentum, most buyers are making six- and seven-figure decisions without the information they actually need. Today’s conversation digs into that gap — and the consequences of it.We’re joined by Henry Pedersen, co-founder and CEO of Homer, a proptech tool built to expose the data buyers never get to see. Henry walks us through what really happens behind the scenes of a sales campaign: failed auctions, withdrawn listings, guide price movements, and the patterns in agent strategy that can completely alter a buyer’s perception of value. We talk about why big data alone isn’t enough, how algorithms misread hyper-specific property nuances, and why more information doesn’t automatically mean better decisions.We also dive into the thornier realities: the structural incentives pushing agents toward underquoting, why buyers keep falling into the same traps, how state regulators are tightening their approach, and what transparency could actually look like if buyers had access to honest, unfiltered campaign histories. Henry also shares how buyer behaviour — from switching suburbs to chasing “hot” listings — is often influenced by information that’s incomplete or deliberately curated.Whether you're navigating the market for the first time, returning after a break, or advising clients professionally, this episode gives you tools to understand the battlefield. We help you recognise the signals buried inside campaign data, avoid being blindsided by agent strategy, and get clearer about where your expectations sit in the real market — not the one portrayed online. This is a must-listen for anyone tired of feeling outplayed.Episode Highlights00:00 — Introduction to the Hidden World of Property Market01:28 — Meet Henry Pedersen: Co-founder and CEO of Homer02:05 — The Birth of Homer: A Personal Journey02:50 — How Homer Provides Transparency in Property Data04:11 — Challenges and Insights in Property Data05:13 — The Role of Historical Data in Property Decisions06:39 — Navigating the Property Market with Homer's Tools12:23 — User Experience and Adoption of Homer14:06 — Future Developments and Features of Homer20:07 — Queensland's Unique Real Estate Law22:03 — Challenges of Property Valuation23:27 — Agent Behavior and Market Strategies25:04 — Leveraging Data for Better Decisions33:44 — AI in Real Estate35:38 — Property Dumbo Stories38:14 — Conclusion and Final ThoughtsAbout the GuestHenry Pedersen is the Co-Founder and CEO of Homer, a fast-growing proptech platform built to give Australian buyers real visibility into sales campaigns — including the data traditionally kept out of sight. With a background in data, growth strategy, and scaling marketplace businesses globally, Henry brings an outside-the-industry lens to one of real estate’s most persistent problems: information asymmetry.Prior to joining Homer, Henry worked in international markets building large-scale automotive data platforms, helping bring structure and transparency to vehicle marketplaces across Australia and the UK. His personal experience navigating Sydney’s overheated 2021 market led him to confront the frustrations buyers face: shifting price guides, opaque campaign histories, and the sheer workload required to track property activity manually.At Homer, Henry focuses on surfacing patterns in agent behaviour, guide-to-sale accuracy, campaign timelines, and other hidden indicators that shape buyer outcomes. His mission is simple: equip everyday Australians with the information professionals use — without the guesswork. Henry is part of a growing wave of innovators pushing for a more transparent, data-driven property market.Connect with HenryHenry’s LinkedInHomer AU’s WebsiteHomer AU’s LinkedInHomer AU’s InstagramResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.auEnjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

Australia’s housing market is creaking under pressure — record-low affordability, rising lower-end prices, and policies that keep boosting demand instead of easing it. In this episode, Cotality’s Head of Research Eliza Owen helps us zoom out and make sense of the contradictions shaping today’s market.We unpack why “years to save a 20% deposit” is the wrong metric, why income — not deposits — is the real barrier, and how the 5% deposit scheme pushes prices up by funnelling demand under strict caps. Eliza also breaks down the mismatch between the homes we build and how Australians actually live, alongside the collapse in turnover rates that concentrates buying power among wealthier households.If you want a clear, data-led look at what’s really driving the crisis — and why prices keep rising even as affordability falls apart — this conversation cuts through the noise.Episode Highlights00:00 — Introduction and Overview of Australia's Housing Market02:18 — Government Incentives and Their Impact04:17 — Challenges in Housing Affordability10:16 — Policy Measures and Their Effects12:18 — Affordability and Market Trends17:55 — Turnover Rates and Market Stability22:20 — The Case for Replacing Stamp Duty with Land Tax25:28 — Mismatch in Housing Supply and Demand28:19 — Challenges in the Rental Market31:38 — Eliza's Departure and Reflections34:42 — Global Perspectives on Housing Markets38:51 — Affordability Metrics and Policy42:33 — Underquoting and Auction Dynamics43:36 — Conclusion and Listener EngagementAbout the GuestEliza Owen is the Head of Research at Cotality (formerly CoreLogic), where she leads national market intelligence and economic analysis across Australia’s property sector. Appointed in 2020, she brings more than a decade of expertise in affordability metrics, credit conditions, lending environments, and the economic pressures shaping housing performance.Eliza has guided industry leaders through some of the most pivotal moments in recent history — from the volatility of COVID-era markets to the rapid rate-hike cycle and today’s affordability crisis. Her work helps governments, banks, and real estate professionals understand the shifting forces impacting buyers, sellers, and renters, using rigorous data to illuminate what’s really happening beneath the headlines.A sought-after keynote speaker and trusted media commentator, she has presented to thousands across real estate, construction, banking, and finance, translating complex economics into clear, practical insights. Passionate about demystifying housing data, Eliza is recognised for storytelling that cuts through complexity and empowers Australians to make smarter, evidence-based decisions in an increasingly strained housing landscape.Connect with ElizaEliza’s LinkedInCotality Australia’s LinkedInCotality Australia’s WebsiteCotality Australia’s Facebook PageCotality Australia’s InstagramResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

2026 is shaping up as a year of subtle indicators and big risks, and Louis Christopher breaks down the data points seasoned investors should be paying attention to right now.In this episode, Louis joins Veronica and Chris just days after releasing the 2026 edition to unpack the findings that matter most: population growth moderating sharply, supply finally catching up in pockets, and why rental pressure may ease before prices do. And, critically, he reveals the assumptions his modelling rests on — and the risks that could topple them.Louis walks us through the four core scenarios underpinning his 2026 outlook, including the one that unexpectedly took the lead in 2025, and the one he now believes may need a late addendum as sticky inflation raises the odds of a surprise rate hike. From unemployment edging toward 5%, to small business stress, to shifts in interstate migration, Louis explains how these macro levers shape the micro realities buyers and investors experience on the ground.We also zoom into the markets that defied expectations in 2025 — including Darwin’s explosive rebound and the Gold Coast’s continued growth despite being fundamentally overvalued. Louis breaks down why listings data is flashing one message, why developers are building for the wrong demographic, and where supply bottlenecks could turn into oversupply shocks by 2027. Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide remain the nation’s top performers, but Louis outlines exactly what conditions would need to change for any of them to lose steam.This conversation is packed with uncomfortable truths, grounded forecasts, and the kind of nuance you only get from someone who has studied the data for over two decades. Whether you’re trying to time a purchase, expand a portfolio, or simply understand where the market is heading next, Louis’ insights offer the clarity — and the caution — needed to navigate 2026 with your eyes open.Episode Highlights00:00 – Introduction to the 2026 Housing Market Outlook01:11 – Louis Christopher's Forecasting Approach02:18 – Reviewing the 2025 Predictions05:38 – Key Assumptions for 202607:53 – Interest Rate Scenarios for 202610:52 – Gold Coast Market Analysis15:14 – Darwin Market Insights18:56 – Structural Changes in Listings21:58 – Impact of High Transaction Costs on Listings23:12 – Market Dynamics in Different Cities25:10 – Investor Behavior and Market Trends26:42 – Rental Yields and Property Taxes28:49 – Interstate Investment Trends32:27 – Adelaide's Surprising Economic Resilience34:19 – Construction Costs and Housing Prices37:07 – Key Indicators for 2026 Market PredictionsAbout the GuestLouis Christopher is one of Australia’s most respected and closely watched housing market analysts. As the founder of SQM Research, he has spent nearly two decades building some of the country’s most trusted property indexes, data series, and market forecasts. Before establishing SQM in 2006, Louis served as Head of Research and General Manager at Australian Property Monitors, where his work informed Reserve Bank analysis and shaped national housing insights.With a background spanning technical market analysis, index construction, and independent forecasting, Louis has earned a reputation for calling turning points early — and for openly grading his own predictions each year. His annual Boom & Bust Report is widely regarded as one of Australia’s most transparent property forecasts, dissecting the interplay between population trends, supply pipelines, interest rates, and economic conditions.Louis is known for his no-nonsense approach, his statistical discipline, and his ability to explain complex market dynamics with clarity and precision. For investors, buyers and industry practitioners, his work offers a rare blend of independence, accuracy, and intellectual honesty.Connect with LouisLinkedInXSQM (Website)ResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.com.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris

In this Q&A episode, Veronica and Chris unpack the real property questions investors are facing right now. From ATO debt rules to cashflow pressure and portfolio structure, this episode gets straight to the point and cuts through the myths.They break down a $5.3M portfolio spread across Logan, Townsville, Shepparton, regional WA and Melbourne’s fringe, revealing why “affordable” properties often deliver slow long-term growth — and when selling is actually the smarter move.The conversation also dives into rising insurance costs in flood-prone markets, including Gold Coast premiums hitting up to $20K a year. Veronica explains how underinsurance, flood overlays and lender behaviour could reshape future buyer demand.Finally, Chris explores whether AI-driven job losses could weaken the property market, or simply concentrate demand into fewer suburbs. If you want clearer strategy and better decision-making, this Q&A delivers the insights investors need now.Episode Highlights00:00 — Introduction and Listener Questions Overview00:25 — James' Question on Refinancing Loans05:43 — Michael's Property Portfolio Deconstruction18:14 — Nick's Question on Flood Insurance and Property Desirability20:36 — Insurance Challenges and Borrowing Concerns22:42 — Gold Coast Property Insights26:42 — AI's Impact on White Collar Jobs and Property Market27:59 — Future of Property Market Amid AI Revolution37:14 — Investment Strategies in a Changing Market41:50 — AI in Property Decision MakingLinksEpisode 374: How Will Climate Risk Impact Your Property’s Future Value?About the GuestMark Errichiello is a licensed buyers and vendors advocate and the Co-Founder & Director of Master Advocates, a Melbourne-based property advisory firm known for its strategic, data-driven approach to acquisitions, valuations, and auction representation. With decades of hands-on experience, Mark has attended every Block auction since the early seasons and understands the dynamics of high-pressure televised auctions better than most.Mark has represented bidders in both metropolitan and regional markets — including acting as an anonymous strategic bidder during the Phillip Island Block season — giving him unique insight into how buyer psychology, auction order, and market fundamentals shape outcomes. His commentary cuts through hype and focuses on realistic pricing, fair value, and the long-term risks buyers often overlook.Respected for his measured, forensic approach, Mark brings clarity to situations where emotion, spectacle, and production expectations collide with real market behaviour. His expertise helps buyers navigate fast-moving environments and make confident, well-informed decisions.Connect with GuestMark LinkedInMaster Advocate FacebookMaster Advocate InstagramMaster Advocate YouTubeResourcesVisit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.auIf you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at:The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.auLooking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.auWork with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.auLooking for a Mortgage Broker? alcove.com.auWork with Chris:chrisbates@alcove.com.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now!Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcastSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3r0nnJrLUu3t1GpO7X3j6E If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey!See you on the inside,Veronica & Chris