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Get Obsessed : With Living Your Best Life
Author: Julie Lokun and Mika Altidor
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What happens when two women who refuse to play small sit down with the people actually changing the world — and the ones brave enough to tell the stories most shows won't touch? You get The Get Obsessed Podcast — a show built for people who are hungry for more truth, more transformation, and more proof that the life they're imagining is actually possible.
Hosted by Julie Lokun and Mika Altidor, this is the podcast for dreamers who are done dreaming and ready to move. Julie is a legal advocate, entrepreneur, and mother of four who has spent years studying what it truly takes to succeed. Mika is a fierce business owner and meditation facilitator obsessed with self-development who knows what it takes to turn a life around. Together they bring zero filters, radical honesty, and an unshakable belief that you were built for more than you've been told.
We go places other podcasts won't. We have explored the inner world of Scientology — the beliefs, the pull, the controversy, and what it means for the people inside it. We sat with Janelle Brown from TLC's Sister Wives and went deep into what it really looks like to live outside the lines of what society calls normal, to question everything, and to find your own definition of family and freedom. Dr. Christine Marie, featured in the #1 Netflix documentary Trust Me: The False Prophet, joined us to unpack manipulation, control, and how even the smartest people can be led astray — and more importantly, how to find your way back.
These are not comfortable conversations. They are necessary ones.
And then there are the guests who show up to teach you how to build. Gary Vaynerchuk on turning obsession into empires. Evan Carmichael on finding your purpose and never letting go. David Meltzer on staying grateful and driven when the odds are stacked against you. Jim Kwik, author of Limitless, on unlocking what your mind is actually capable of. Dr. Laura Berman — Oprah's go-to love expert — on grief, healing, and choosing to keep living fully. Dr. Nadine Macaluso on trauma and reclaiming your story. Dr. Sherrie Campbell on breaking free from toxic relationships for good. Gina DeVee, the woman who inspired this show to exist, on building a life entirely on your own terms. Kim D. from The Real Housewives and Lt. Joe Kenda, the Homicide Hunter, on the stories that shape us.
At the heart of every episode is one question: how do we actually live our best life — not the curated version, not the one we perform for others, but the real one? The one that lights us up, challenges us, and makes us feel fully alive. That is what we are building here, one conversation at a time.
New episodes every week. Apply to be a guest at www.getobsessedguest.com. Explore everything at www.getobsessedpodcast.com and www.getobsessedpod.com. Reach us at [email protected] — we read every single message.
Follow us on Instagram @getobsessedpodcast and Facebook — and tell us who you want to hear from next, or how YOU are living your best life. This community is built on your stories too. We are all in this together.
Hosted by Julie Lokun and Mika Altidor, this is the podcast for dreamers who are done dreaming and ready to move. Julie is a legal advocate, entrepreneur, and mother of four who has spent years studying what it truly takes to succeed. Mika is a fierce business owner and meditation facilitator obsessed with self-development who knows what it takes to turn a life around. Together they bring zero filters, radical honesty, and an unshakable belief that you were built for more than you've been told.
We go places other podcasts won't. We have explored the inner world of Scientology — the beliefs, the pull, the controversy, and what it means for the people inside it. We sat with Janelle Brown from TLC's Sister Wives and went deep into what it really looks like to live outside the lines of what society calls normal, to question everything, and to find your own definition of family and freedom. Dr. Christine Marie, featured in the #1 Netflix documentary Trust Me: The False Prophet, joined us to unpack manipulation, control, and how even the smartest people can be led astray — and more importantly, how to find your way back.
These are not comfortable conversations. They are necessary ones.
And then there are the guests who show up to teach you how to build. Gary Vaynerchuk on turning obsession into empires. Evan Carmichael on finding your purpose and never letting go. David Meltzer on staying grateful and driven when the odds are stacked against you. Jim Kwik, author of Limitless, on unlocking what your mind is actually capable of. Dr. Laura Berman — Oprah's go-to love expert — on grief, healing, and choosing to keep living fully. Dr. Nadine Macaluso on trauma and reclaiming your story. Dr. Sherrie Campbell on breaking free from toxic relationships for good. Gina DeVee, the woman who inspired this show to exist, on building a life entirely on your own terms. Kim D. from The Real Housewives and Lt. Joe Kenda, the Homicide Hunter, on the stories that shape us.
At the heart of every episode is one question: how do we actually live our best life — not the curated version, not the one we perform for others, but the real one? The one that lights us up, challenges us, and makes us feel fully alive. That is what we are building here, one conversation at a time.
New episodes every week. Apply to be a guest at www.getobsessedguest.com. Explore everything at www.getobsessedpodcast.com and www.getobsessedpod.com. Reach us at [email protected] — we read every single message.
Follow us on Instagram @getobsessedpodcast and Facebook — and tell us who you want to hear from next, or how YOU are living your best life. This community is built on your stories too. We are all in this together.
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ulie Lokun shares how Barbie play shaped her confidence, career, and creativity, and how to reclaim the joy you had as a kid. What toy made you who you are?
Primary Keywords: reclaim your inner child, imaginative play, personal growth, creative confidence, Julie Lokun, Get Obsessed Podcast, how to find joy again
Secondary Keywords: Barbie and self-discovery, childhood play and identity, reinvention, women and ambition, career change confidence, creative burnout, personal development podcast, living your best life
Episode Description
Before she had a microphone, a law degree, or a single listener, Julie Lokun, JD had a shag carpet and a shoebox full of Barbies. She’d beg for five more minutes before dinner because Barbie was mid-scene: a board meeting, a breakup, and a gala, all on the same Saturday. Nobody understood the stakes like she did.
In this solo episode of Get Obsessed, Julie goes back to that girl on the floor and finds something bigger than playtime. The bathtub became Malibu, a jewelry box became the nightclub, and the doll with the kitchen-scissors haircut became the rebel. Every doll had a backstory, and every storyline ran for days.
Barbie was an astronaut, a doctor, a news anchor, a CEO, a best friend, a wife, and a mom. On that carpet, Julie was all of them too. Her Barbie gave closing arguments to a jury of stuffed animals and anchored the evening news into a hairbrush mic. Lawyer, journalist, host. She wasn’t daydreaming. She was rehearsing, trying on every future version of herself with zero risk and total permission.
Then she says what so many of us feel: somewhere along the line, I lost that.
This episode is about why imaginative play is the safest place to be ambitious, why adults trade that freedom for deadlines, algorithms, and comparison, and how to go back to the carpet. Whether you played with dolls, Legos, chalk, or ruled a backyard kingdom, your favorite toy is a clue to who you already are.
What You’ll Learn
Why imaginative play is a safe place to be ambitious, and why nobody laughs at a little girl when her dolls run the company
How childhood play lets you try on future versions of yourself with zero risk and total permission
Why reinvention isn’t flaky: in Barbie Land, a career change is just a new outfit
How adults unlearn creative freedom through deadlines, algorithms, and comparison
Why scrappy resourcefulness (sock dresses, tinfoil gowns, Tupperware-lid pools) builds lifelong confidence
How to reconnect with the version of you who created purely for joy
Memorable Moments
“Barbie did not make me pretty. Barbie made me a creative.”
“I wasn’t daydreaming, I was rehearsing.”
“Somewhere along the line, I lost that.”
“Adults schedule brainstorms. Kids just go.”
“That’s just a new outfit in Barbie Land.”
“I want to go back to that girl in that room when I could create with joy.”
Your Challenge, Obsessors
What did you play with for hours as a kid? It’s a clue to who you already are. Tell Julie what toy shaped you. Drop it in the comments or DM @getobsessedpodcast on Instagram. She wants your origin story.
Links and Resources
Get Obsessed Podcast
Website: https://www.getobsessedpodcast.com
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1559480972
Be a guest: http://www.getobsessedguest.com
Partner with Get Obsessed: http://www.getobsessedpod.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/getobsessedpodcast
Julie Lokun, JD
Julie Lokun Consulting: https://www.julielokunconsulting.com
Big Better Brand: https://www.bigbetterbrand.com
The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1594499253
Cre8tive Con
Cre8tive Con (flagship Chicago conference): https://www.cre8tivecon.com
Cre8tive Con OTR (traveling series, including the Orlando stop on January 14, 2027): https://www.cre8tiveconotr.com
Own Your Ecosystem assessment: https://www.cre8tivepower.com
Press: Cre8tive Con and Julie Lokun in the News
Daily Herald: Entrepreneurs in Chicago are changing the way they do business at Cre8tive Con: https://www.dailyherald.com/?p=963366
EIN Presswire: Cre8tive Con 2026 speaker lineup featuring Jim Kwik, David Meltzer, and James Orsini: https://www.einpresswire.com/article/875927728/chicago-s-premiere-business-conference-introduces-speaker-lineup-including-jim-kwik-david-meltzer-and-james-orsini
Net Influencer: Cre8tive Con Chicago Summit to empower creator entrepreneurs: https://www.netinfluencer.com/cre8tive-con-2026-chicago-summit-to-empower-creator-entrepreneurs-with-new-leadership-team/
Brainz Magazine: WHEN Stories premieres at Cre8tive Con Chicago: https://www.brainzmagazine.com/post/when-stories-premieres-at-cre8tive-con-chicago-2026
Martech Edge: Ramon Ray joins Cre8tive Con as Director of Partnerships: https://martechedge.com/news/ramon-ray-joins-cre8tive-con-2026-as-director-of-partnerships
EIN Presswire: Lauren Erickson named Director of Marketing for Cre8tive Con: https://www.einpresswire.com/article/724350119/lauren-erickson-appointed-as-new-director-of-marketing-for-cre8tive-con
The Mediacasters blog: Network in Chicago at Cre8tive Con: https://podpage.com/network/themediacasters/blog/network-in-chicago-at-the-iconic-business-conference-cre8tive-con
FAQs
What is the Get Obsessed Podcast?
Get Obsessed is a personal development podcast hosted by Julie Lokun, JD and Mika Altidor. It explores transformation, resilience, confidence, and the human spirit through bold conversations with experts, authors, and people who have changed their lives. It ranks in the top 0.05% of podcasts globally on Listen Notes.
Who hosts Get Obsessed?
Get Obsessed is co-hosted by Julie Lokun, JD and Mika Altidor. Julie is a media entrepreneur, podcast strategist, and master certified life coach. Mika is a certified life coach, vegan chef, and entrepreneur.
Who is Julie Lokun?
Julie Lokun, JD is a media entrepreneur, podcast strategist, and brand consultant. She founded The Mediacasters and co-founded Cre8tive Con, Dragonfly Podcast Academy, and Dragonfly Cre8tions. She co-hosts Get Obsessed and The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, holds a JD from John Marshall Law School/UIC and a BA in Journalism from Indiana University, and is a contributing writer for Entrepreneur Magazine and MindValley.
Who are the Obsessors?
The Obsessors are the Get Obsessed community: listeners committed to personal growth, transformation, and living their best lives.
How does childhood play shape who you become?
Imaginative play lets kids try on different identities and futures with no risk of failure. In this episode, Julie explains how playing out Barbie careers as a lawyer, news anchor, and CEO was a rehearsal for becoming an attorney, journalist, and podcast host.
How can I reconnect with my inner child?
Julie recommends thinking about what you played with for hours as a kid and returning to that kind of play. Make something just for the joy of it, use whatever is around you, and let go of needing a perfect result.
Why do adults lose creative freedom?
Adulthood brings deadlines, algorithms, and comparison, which teach us to create for approval instead of joy. Julie argues that reclaiming creativity starts with giving yourself the same permission you had as a kid.
Is it okay to keep reinventing yourself?
Yes. Julie points out that Barbie changed careers every week and nobody called her flaky. Moving from lawyer to journalist to podcaster to founder is growth, not inconsistency.
What is Cre8tive Con?
Cre8tive Con is a business conference for entrepreneurs, creatives, authors, podcasters, and speakers, co-founded by Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky. Its flagship event is in Chicago, and the Cre8tive Con OTR series brings intimate events to cities across the country, including Orlando on January 14, 2027.
How can I be a guest on Get Obsessed?
You can apply to be a guest at getobsessedguest.com, and brands can explore partnerships at getobsessedpod.com.
Where can I listen to Get Obsessed?
Get Obsessed is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Audible, and most major podcast platforms, plus at getobsessedpodcast.com.
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What is it actually like to have Janelle Brown from Sister Wives as your life coach?
Before this chapter of Janelle Brown's life became part of the conversation millions are watching unfold, Julie Lokun and Mika Altidor had the unique opportunity to experience Janelle in a very different role: as their life coach.
In this episode of Get Obsessed Podcast, Julie and Mika share their personal experience working with Janelle and some of the life-coaching advice, guidance and lessons that stayed with them.
Life coaching can be a transformative experience, offering guidance, support and practical tools to help us move toward our personal and professional goals. For Julie and Mika, their journey with Janelle was an opportunity to gain greater clarity, strengthen confidence and think intentionally about what they wanted to create next.
One of the things that stood out about Janelle's coaching style was her ability to listen deeply while bringing the conversation back to practical action. Her approach created space to examine challenges honestly, think through obstacles and identify tangible next steps rather than simply talking about change.
In this episode, Julie and Mika explore lessons around:
• Gaining clarity about what you truly want
• Setting meaningful personal and professional goals
• Moving through obstacles instead of remaining stuck
• Building confidence in your own decisions
• Creating actionable steps toward the life you envision
• Staying motivated when change doesn't happen overnight
• The value of having someone ask the questions you may not be asking yourself
Because sometimes transformation doesn't begin with having all the answers.
It begins with asking yourself better questions.
Whether you've followed Janelle's journey on Sister Wives, are curious about life coaching, or you're navigating a transition of your own, this conversation is ultimately about something much bigger: taking an active role in creating what comes next.
At Get Obsessed Podcast, that's what we're obsessed with—learning from fascinating people, challenging the stories that keep us stuck and discovering what it really takes to create a life that feels authentically yours.
Get inspired. Get motivated. Get obsessed.
️ New episodes of Get Obsessed Podcast: With Living Your Best Life every week.
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What happens when the cameras stop rolling and real life keeps going? In this episode of Get Obsessed, Julie Lokun and Mika Altidor sit down with David Toborowsky and Annie Suwan of TLC’s 90 Day Fiancé for an honest conversation about love, resilience, and building a family far beyond the reality TV spotlight.
Few couples in the franchise faced more doubt from the start. Between their age difference, money struggles, and cultural divide, viewers questioned whether their relationship would last. Years later, David and Annie are still together, still growing, and now raising their daughter in Thailand.
David and Annie talk candidly about what it takes to make a cross-cultural marriage work, how they handle online criticism and public scrutiny, and why they chose to share their IVF journey with fans. They also reflect on becoming parents later in life, the lifestyle shift that came with leaving the United States, and what commitment really looks like through every season of a relationship.
In this episode, we discuss:
How David and Annie built a lasting marriage despite cultural differences and a rocky start
Life in Thailand and the changes that came after leaving the U.S.
Looking back on their early days on 90 Day Fiancé and the doubts that followed them
The realities of fame, online criticism, and living in the public eye
Their IVF journey and becoming parents later in life
Why they keep sharing their lives with fans, and what the 90 Day Fiancé community means to them
Parenthood, future family plans, and building a life together beyond the show
ABOUT THE GUESTS:
David Toborowsky and Annie Suwan became household names on TLC’s 90 Day Fiancé, where viewers followed their international love story from Thailand to the United States. Despite early skepticism about their age gap, finances, and cultural differences, they became one of the franchise’s most beloved and enduring couples.
Since their debut, David and Annie have appeared throughout the 90 Day Fiancé universe, including Pillow Talk and David & Annie: After the 90 Days. Today, they share their experiences with marriage, family, travel, and parenthood while raising their daughter, Minthira, and splitting their time between Thailand and the United States.
MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
(Video) David and Annie’s 90 Day Fiancé Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUjEDGI2kTM
CONNECT WITH DAVID & ANNIE:
Website: https://david-annie.com/ & https://cookingwithdna.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Real.DavidandAnnie.page/
David’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toborowsky_david/
Annie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annie_suwan_toborowsky/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@toborowsky_david
ABOUT GET OBSESSED:
Website: www.getobsessedpodcast.com
Be a Guest! http://www.getobsessedguest.com
Reach Out to Us! [email protected]
The Get Obsessed podcast explores the passions, mindsets, and habits that drive high performers. We believe what you obsess over defines your future.
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Obsessors, this one’s a treat (not a trick). For Halloween, we’re sharing an episode from Julie’s other show, The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, co-hosted with Dominick Domasky. If you love a deep dive into what makes people tick, especially the darkest corners of the human mind, you’re going to be obsessed with this conversation.
Julie and Dom sit down with Karen Conti, veteran Chicago trial attorney, host of The Karen Conti Show on WGN Radio 720, and award-winning author of Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy: Defending America’s Most Evil Serial Killer on Death Row.
Karen served on the final death row defense team for John Wayne Gacy, the “Killer Clown” who murdered 33 young men and boys and buried most of them beneath his Chicago-area home. She takes us inside the lockup where she first met him, explains how a sociopath and narcissist can mask his sickness so convincingly, and shares why she fought his execution even knowing he was guilty. Then she reveals how the death threats that followed turned into a 30-year media career on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, and WGN.
Plus, a spooky-season round of Jules’s Rules: the most infamous serial killers of all time, from Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy to Ed Kemper, Ed Gein, the Green River Killer, and Karen’s all-time pick, Jack the Ripper. Yes, Julie confesses she couldn’t finish the Gacy or Ed Gein series on Netflix.
Why Obsessors Will Love This Episode
What John Wayne Gacy was really like face to face
The psychology of masking: how the most dangerous people can seem ordinary, even likable
Why someone would choose to defend “the boogeyman” of Chicago
How Karen turned the darkest chapter of her career into a spotlight
Why our fascination with true crime never fades, from Jack the Ripper to today’s Netflix hits
Karen’s media tips on being camera ready, finding your lane, and why likability is everything
️ Quotes From the Episode
“Stretch your abilities, have confidence, and then work hard to prove that you can do what you say you’re going to do.” — Karen Conti
“My father always told me, ‘I can’t make people laugh unless they like me.’” — Karen Conti
Frequently Asked Questions
Who is Karen Conti?
A Chicago trial attorney, legal analyst, host of The Karen Conti Show on WGN Radio 720, and author of Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy.
Did Karen Conti defend John Wayne Gacy?
Yes. She was part of his final death row appeals team in the early 1990s. Her goal was never to free him, but to stop the execution because she opposes the death penalty.
What is The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?
A top-ranked business news podcast hosted by Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky, where entrepreneurship, media strategy, and pop culture collide.
Why is this episode on the Get Obsessed feed?
Because Obsessors love a deep look at human behavior, true crime, and the stories behind the headlines, and this Halloween conversation delivers all three.
Connect With Karen Conti
Website: www.karenconti.com
Killing Time with John Wayne Gacy on Amazon: https://a.co/d/egZPLpV
Audiobook (narrated by Karen): Audible
The Karen Conti Show, WGN Radio 720: wgnradio.com/karen-conti
𝕏 X/Twitter: @Kcontilaw
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Podcast home: www.cre8tiveconpod.com
Julie Lokun, JD: www.julielokunconsulting.com | [email protected]
Dominick Domasky: www.motivationchamps.com | [email protected]
️ Join Us Live
Cre8tive Con OTR Orlando: www.cre8tiveconotr.com
Cre8tive Con Chicago: www.cre8tivecon.com
Stay Obsessed
Watch Get Obsessed on YouTube: @obsessedpodcast
If this episode gave you chills, follow The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast wherever you listen, then come back here for more Get Obsessed with Julie and Mika. Stay obsessed, Obsessors, and happy Halloween! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
In this episode of the Get Obsessed podcast, Anne Gollert Hill continues her extraordinary story of life inside Scientology, sharing what it was like to work within the Sea Org and witness the organization's culture from the inside.
A writer, survivor, and creator of My Scientology Story, Anne offers a rare firsthand perspective on leadership, loyalty, fear, and life at the highest levels of Scientology.
In conversation with Julie Lokun and Mika Altidor, Anne discusses the realities behind Scientology's public image, from the influence of celebrity members and the leadership of David Miscavige to the personal relationships and policies that shaped daily life inside the organization. She also reflects on the emotional challenges of leaving and the lessons she has learned through her ongoing journey toward freedom and healing.
In this episode, we discuss:
01:59 - Why Scientology actively recruits celebrities and Anne's experience interviewing John Travolta
06:11 - Tom Cruise's relationship with David Miscavige and his unique status within Scientology
09:16 - Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, and the importance of exposing Scientology's abuses
11:29 - The absence of love in Scientology, the Bridge to Spiritual Freedom, and the financial cost of advancement
15:41 - The warning signs that led Anne to question Scientology and begin planning her escape
20:30 - How Anne's family's consistent love and support became the key to leaving the Sea Org
28:39 - Why leaving Scientology felt impossible and how Anne rebuilt her life afterward
ABOUT THE GUEST:
Anne Gollert Hill is a Canadian writer, survivor, and creator of the blog My Scientology Story, where she shares her experiences inside Scientology and her journey toward freedom. After joining Scientology in 1988 during a difficult chapter in her life, she became deeply involved in the organization and was eventually recruited into the Sea Org's international communications division, serving at some of Scientology's highest-level facilities, including Gold Base.
After nearly two decades inside the organization, Anne left Scientology on August 3, 2007, walking out of the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida, with only the clothes on her back. Today, she speaks openly about coercive influence, recovery, personal freedom, and the lasting impact of life inside a high-control organization. Through her writing and advocacy, she helps others better understand the realities of indoctrination, escape, and rebuilding life after leaving Scientology.
MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE:
(Video) Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (Netflix) - https://www.netflix.com/title/81229101
CONNECT WITH ANNE GOLLERT HILL:
Website: My Scientology Story: http://agollerthill.wordpress.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annehillwriter/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/agollerthill
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@annegollerthill
ABOUT GET OBSESSED
Website: www.getobsessedpodcast.com
Be a Guest! http://www.getobsessedguest.com
Reach Out To Us! [email protected]
The Get Obsessed podcast is dedicated to exploring the passions, mindsets, and habits that drive high performers. We believe that what you obsess over defines your future.
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The views, personal accounts, and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the guest, Anne Gollert Hill, based on her own lived experiences and recollections. This podcast makes no independent factual claims regarding the Church of Scientology or any of its members, leaders, or affiliated individuals. All statements reflect the guest's personal perspective and memory and should not be construed as established legal fact. The Church of Scientology denies many of the claims made by former members. Neither this podcast, its hosts, its production team, nor its parent company endorses, verifies, or assumes legal responsibility for the guest's account. This episode is produced for informational and entertainment purposes only. Listeners are encouraged to seek out multiple sources when forming their own conclusions. Nothing in this episode constitutes legal advice. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.









