Not Another Podcast

Most startup founders don't make it past year three. Bo Jiang is entering year twelve.As the CEO and co-founder of Lithic, Bo has lived what feels like two completely different startup journeys in one company. He launched Privacy.com in 2014 as a consumer app helping people create virtual credit cards for safer online shopping. After issuing over 10 million cards, he hit a wall… legacy payment infrastructure couldn't keep up. So Bo did something radical: he built his own modern card processor from scratch.Then he opened it up to other companies.That pivot transformed Lithic into an $800M developer platform powering card programs for Mercury, Novo, Parker, and dozens of other next-generation fintechs. Today, Lithic processes over $1 billion in annual transactions and has raised $110M+ from top investors like Bessemer, Index, and Tusk Ventures.But this conversation isn't about the hockey stick growth or the impressive valuation. It's about what it actually takes to survive and evolve as a founder over more than a decade.In this episode, Brennan and Bo go deep on:→ The real story behind Lithic's pivot from B2C to B2B infrastructure (and how other startups literally reverse-engineered their API before they officially launched it)→ Why Bo believes burnout doesn't come from working hard… it comes from the "messy middle" of trying to control things you can't control→ How your role as a founder completely transforms as you scale from 3 people to 130+ (and the inflection point where your individual output stops mattering)→ The mental game of fundraising: why most rejections have nothing to do with you, and how stress literally shows up in your investor Zoom calls→ Building high-trust, high-context culture while scaling beyond the small team magic of the early days→ Competing against billion-dollar giants like Marqeta, Stripe, and legacy processors when you're the smaller player→ Why Bo stayed private and played the long game while everyone else was chasing quick exits during the 2021 fintech boom→ What it means to be "comfortable with extended periods of uncertainty" – and why that might be the most important founder skill→ The future of fintech infrastructure: stablecoins, AI agents, and whether physical cards will become relicsBo is an MIT-trained engineer who spent years building in the unsexy world of payment infrastructure while everyone else chased shiny objects like crypto and neobanks. Turns out, fixing the pipes is where the real, sustainable value lives.If you're a founder, builder, or anyone playing the long game, this conversation is for you.Episode Timestamps0:00 - Intro1:34 - From Privacy.com to Lithic: building two startups in one decade5:38 - Consumer vs. B2B8:23 - How the CEO role changes as the company scales15:07 - Raising capital without being an AI research lab19:15 - Generalists vs. specialists26:28 - Managing mental health & burnout over 12 years36:43 - Choosing the right investors & advisors43:06 - War stories: the fraud attack51:58 - Where fintech infrastructure is headed in the next 5-10 years

Nathan Stoll helped build the modern internet. Literally. He was an early product manager at Google before the IPO. He worked on the systems that powered Google’s ad revenue. He helped scale Google News globally. He even launched Google Suggest: the autocomplete feature billions of people use every day.And yet… this conversation wasn’t really about tech.Nathan has built and sold two companies (to Google and Walmart), led product at places like Strava and Handshake, and advised founders for decades. But what he’s thinking about now is deeply counter-cultural in Silicon Valley:Why emotions, intuition, and human connection matter more than dashboards, models, and optimization.In this episode of Not Another Podcast, we go deep on the human side of building, the part most founders feel but rarely talk about.We talk about:• Why feelings often beat data when making the hardest decisions• How human networks compound faster than code• What elite athletics taught Nathan about burnout, pacing, and long-term performance• Why some of the best founders choose to be less public, not more• How AI is accelerating faster than our ability to emotionally process it• The difference between optimizing for conversion vs. optimizing for fulfillment• Why listening is still the most underrated leadership skillNathan also shares deeply personal stories about mentorship, small acts of kindness that changed his life, parenting while building, and why being a “whole human” makes you a better founder.This is a conversation about building things that last without losing yourself in the process.🎧 Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.

After 12 years at Forbes, Alex Konrad walked away from one of the most prestigious seats in tech journalism. He ran the Midas List. Co-created the Cloud 100. Wrote cover stories on the biggest names in tech.And then he left… to build his own media company from scratch.In this episode, Alex joins me to talk about what happens when you go from covering founders to being one. We get honest about entrepreneurship, attention, media, and why so much of what we glorify in startup culture doesn’t line up with reality.This conversation isn’t about hype cycles or hot takes. It’s about the actual work.We talk about why the word “founder” is often over-romanticized, why running a small business deserves more respect than it gets, and why most people misunderstand how press, attention, and storytelling really work. Alex also breaks down what founders consistently get wrong when pitching media, why “nobody cares” is the correct starting assumption, and how to reverse-engineer coverage that actually leads to real outcomes.If you’re building something in public, thinking about your relationship with attention, or trying to create work that actually holds weight over time, this episode will reframe how you think about all of it.We cover:• Why entrepreneurship is wildly over-glamorized and what the job actually is• The difference between being a “startup founder” and running a real business• Why “nobody cares” is the most useful mindset for founders and creators• How to think about press strategically instead of emotionally• Why talking to Bloomberg vs an independent outlet leads to completely different outcomes• The real reason founders think journalists are “out to get them”• How AI and content slop are forcing a return to quality and trust• Why some of the best stories look boring right before they look obviousListen to the full episode and let us know what resonated.And if you enjoyed this one, subscribe for more honest conversations about building, pressure, and the unsexy parts of doing meaningful work.

Most founders spend years asking the wrong questions. “How fast can this grow? How big could this be? What’s the smartest next move?”But the questions that actually shape your life usually come much later… often after you’re already exhausted, anxious, or stuck on a path that doesn’t feel right anymore.In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan sits down with Evan Walden, CEO and co-founder of Getro (recently acquired by Findem), for a grounded, deeply human conversation about what it really means to build something over the long term.Evan has spent nearly a decade building companies, mentoring founders, and watching smart, capable people quietly struggle. This isn’t because they weren’t talented, but because they never stopped to ask what they were actually trying to build for themselves.This episode explores:• Why companies don’t really die when they run out of money • The difference between keeping something alive through force and building something sustainable• How self-doubt shows up uniquely for entrepreneurs who are creating something from nothing•Why people-pleasing and external validation quietly sabotage founders• The hidden cost of hustle culture and seven-days-a-week thinking• Why taking time off is a signal of strength, not weakness• How values act as a decision-making system when everything feels ambiguous• The idea that every business starts as an art project and the moment when you have to decide what it’s becoming• How to zoom out and ask: Is this still the right thing for me to be working on?They also talk openly about mental health, therapy, leadership, culture, and the fear many founders carry that if they step away, everything will fall apart. This conversation isn’t about one “right” way to build.It’s about choosing a game you actually want to play and building something that fits who you are, not just who you think you’re supposed to be.

Most of the AI world is obsessed with chatbots, agents, and software abstractions. Anto Patrex thinks that’s a distraction.Anto is the founder and CEO of CosmicBrain AI, a former NASA robotics engineer, and an early member of Elon Musk’s xAI team where he helped build Grok. In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Anto makes the case that the real AI revolution won’t live on your screen. It will walk, lift, build, and fight in the physical world. We’re talking humanoid robots today.In this episode, we talk about why Anto left one of the most coveted roles in AI to bet on humanoid robots, why “physical AI” is advancing faster than most people realize, and how his now-viral Robot Fight Club events ended up convincing skeptical investors and enterprise leaders that robots are far more capable than they thought.This conversation goes deep into the mechanics and implications of robotics: how robots learn by watching humans, why data and manufacturing matter more than flashy demos, and why China is currently ahead of the U.S. in the robotics race. We also unpack the long-term consequences for jobs, labor markets, national security, and why Anto believes optimism about technology is not naïve, but essential.If you’re curious where AI is actually headed next, this episode will stretch your imagination and reset your mental model.In this episode, we cover:• Why physical AI is a bigger opportunity than chatbots and agents• Anto’s journey from NASA → xAI → founding CosmicBrain• What Elon Musk taught him about constraints, speed, and belief• Why Robot Fight Club wasn’t a gimmick and actually accelerated adoption• The U.S. vs China robotics race and what’s at stake• Why robots won’t kill jobs, but will radically reshape them• How humanoid robots learn skills by watching humans• What the next 5–10 years of robotics could look like🎙️ Listen now and rethink what “AI” actually means.

Startup culture loves extremes. Grind harder. Sleep less. Push through. Don’t complain.And if you’re struggling, the assumption is simple: you’re not cut out for it.In this solo Q&A episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan Pothetes flips that narrative on its head.After months of thoughtful DMs from founders, operators, and investors, Brennan sits down to answer the questions people usually whisper in private but rarely say out loud. Questions about anxiety, burnout, family tradeoffs, AI, ambition, and what it actually costs to build something meaningful.This isn’t motivational fluff or hustle porn. It’s a grounded, honest conversation about what happens when you put yourself into high-pressure environments, take investor money, and try to build something that matters while still being a human.Brennan shares personal stories from his own journey as a repeat founder, including moments he wishes he could take back, hard tradeoffs he refuses to repeat, and the frameworks he now uses to stay present, stable, and effective.If you’ve ever wondered whether something is “wrong” with you for finding startup life hard, this episode is for you.In this episode, Brennan covers:• Whether startup culture creates mental illness or simply exposes what’s already there• How anxiety shows up differently in normal jobs vs hypergrowth environments• Why flow state matters more than hours worked• The real cost founders’ families quietly absorb• How to prioritize your partner and kids without tanking the business• Why stability is an underrated competitive advantage• Whether AI is making founders lazy or finally giving them leverage• The biggest mistakes Brennan would’ve avoided if today’s AI tools existed earlier• How to manage chronic anxiety without losing your edge as a founderThis episode is a reminder that you don’t need to suffer to build something great.You need clarity, presence, and the ability to regulate yourself under pressure.

Dane Atkinson has lived just about every version of the founder story.He started his first company at 18. He’s been the CEO of Squarespace in its early years. He’s founded and exited multiple companies, including SumAll. He’s raised roughly $750 million across his career. He’s built businesses that employed thousands of people and created billions in equity value.And about half of his companies didn’t work. That’s what makes this conversation different.In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Dane and I talk about the part of founding that almost never gets discussed honestly: the psychological weight founders put on themselves, and how that weight quietly distorts decision-making, relationships, and even mental health.We get into the illusion of obligation. The feeling that you owe investors, employees, family, or the “story” you sold an outcome you may not actually control. Dane shares deeply personal stories from early failures, from companies that raised tens of millions of dollars and struggled, and from moments where he spent years trying to “make things right” for others, only to realize how much of that pressure existed only in his own head.In this episode, we cover:• Why founders often overestimate how much they owe investors and how that guilt hurts decision-making• The “obligation trap” and how it keeps founders stuck on paths that no longer make sense• How claiming product-market fit too early can socially lock you into the wrong future• What Dane learned from losing friends-and-family money early in his career• Why failure is the real education founders never get taught• How boards actually exert power, and how founders can reframe that dynamic• The role of anxiety, ADHD, and imposter syndrome in founder behavior• How nearly dying reshaped Dane’s view on ownership, leadership, and what actually mattersThis isn’t a hype episode. It’s a perspective episode. And it’s one every long-term founder should hear.Timestamps00:01 – Making and losing hundreds of millions as a founder03:10 – Early failure, friends-and-family money, and lasting shame06:18 – The product-market fit trap and getting socially stuck10:25 – Anxiety, ADHD, and founder neurology14:53 – Imposter syndrome and the need to over-control22:01 – Parenthood, mortality, and letting go of ownership36:09 – Saying no to massive channel deals at Squarespace44:26 – What founders actually owe investors (and what they don’t)

While other fintechs raised huge rounds, hired armies, and announced half-baked features, Brandon Arvanaghi built Meow into a billion-dollar business with ~12 people, no hype cycles, no vanity metrics, and a culture so high-ownership that one wrong hire can collapse the whole org.This is not another “sort of intense” founder interview. This is a blueprint for anyone who actually wants to build a durable company and stop LARPing as a founder.In this conversation, Brandon breaks down:• Why one B-player can mathematically tank your entire org• How Meow out-executed much better-funded competitors by staying microscopic and savage• Why founders who rely on hype destroy their own ability to ship• How the 24-Hour No Hype Rule keeps Meow honest, fast, and impossible to ignore• Why most startup incentives mimic bureaucracy• How to build a team that works weekends voluntarily because they care, not because you demand it• Why “distribution-first” founders plateau (and “product-first” founders build empires)• How founders should think about intensity, discipline, and personal sustainability when the business takes offIf you’re tired of founder cosplay and want to hear from someone who actually executes, this episode will snap your head straight.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS02:18 — “We didn’t try to build a bank… but customers forced us into one.”03:40 — The pain of building in a regulated industry05:25 — What founders get wrong about pivots09:03 — Why Brandon always knew Meow would be his only company13:12 — Hiring A-players vs B-players: how one wrong hire breaks the company17:32 — Work ethic, ownership, and why 9–5 mindsets don’t survive early-stage startups18:58 — Why B-players multiply—and how to eliminate them early21:00 — The reality of 7-day founder workweeks (and why Meow isn’t performative about it)23:45 — Why founders must feel customer pain themselves31:52 — The insane expectations VCs used to have around headcount36:17 — How founders stay sharp: routines, workouts, discipline, leverage47:07 — The “No Hype Rule” that built Meow50:00 — Why Meow plays a 10-year game, not a 10-week game55:03 — Why product, not distribution, builds generational companies58:12 — Where to find Brandon

Dave Blakely is one of the most quietly influential operators in Silicon Valley. He’s the kind of operator that founders don’t realize they’re learning from because his fingerprints are on so many iconic products, teams, and innovation programs.For decades he helped lead IDEO, the most legendary design and innovation firm on the planet. His work there shaped billions of dollars in enterprise value and produced six patents. After IDEO, he became an Executive VP at Mach49, where he helped Global 1000 companies incubate ventures, spin out new startups, and build real innovation engines instead of theater.Today he advises deeptech founders, Fortune 100 executives, and governments on robotics, energy systems, emerging markets, and the psychology of leadership.And in this conversation, he dismantles one misconception after another.A few highlights:• Why founders fail long before the product does• How Dave spots a leader who believes their vision vs. one who’s faking conviction• Why attention, not capital, is the rarest resource in 2025• The “Five P Pyramid” he’s used to evaluate ventures for decades• How to know when you’re selling ahead vs. lying• Why some CEOs crumble at the first real setback• How great founders build real advisory circles instead of ego-stroking support groups• Why non-confrontational cultures quietly destroy companies• What meditation and boredom do for creativity in a high-velocity market• Leadership lessons from interviewing violent extremists and studying Mandela in South AfricaThis episode is founder therapy disguised as a masterclass. If you’re building something ambitious, feeling pressure from your board, wrestling with anxiety, or unsure when to trust your instincts, this conversation will recalibrate you.Timestamps00:00 Intro: the lies founders tell04:00 Why external validation destroys judgment08:30 Resilience and believing your own vision10:30 The self-insight needed to pivot12:00 Dave’s “truth circle” framework18:00 The Five P Pyramid20:00 Why POV > product31:00 Fixing inauthentic cultures38:00 Radical honesty in hiring50:00 Meditation, anxiety, and creativity53:00 Lessons from violent extremism research55:00 Traits of world-class leaders57:00 Closing

Jess Mah has one of the wildest founder journeys in Silicon Valley.She taught herself to code at 10. Launched her first company at 11. Got into Berkeley at 16. Joined Y Combinator at 19. Landed magazine covers. Raised money. Built a company people said would “change everything.”And then it all collapsed.Jess ran out of money. Laid off her entire team. Fell into a long, brutal burnout that forced her to confront who she was when the hype disappeared. Most founders never talk about these moments. Jess does. Openly, fearlessly, and with a level of honesty you rarely hear from anyone who’s been placed on a pedestal that young.And that’s what makes this conversation special.This episode is raw, honest, energizing, and full of the kind of clarity that only comes from someone who’s lived through hype, collapse, reinvention, and purpose-driven building. Jess is one of the most multidimensional entrepreneurs I know, and I’m excited for you to hear this one.⏱️ Timestamps00:00 – The 996 debate and the myth of “hustle harder”03:00 – How burnout really shows up05:00 – Presence vs. productivity06:00 – Meaning, fulfillment, and what we want at the end of life08:00 – Why in-person connection still matters09:00 – Vibes, energy, and choosing the right people10:00 – Negativity, insecurity, and online projection12:00 – Are we living through a once-in-a-generation moment13:30 – Biotech, BCI, and the future of being human15:00 – Emotional health, identity, and finding love17:00 – Hobbies, flow states, and building a life outside work19:00 – How Jess avoided being typecast as a founder22:00 – Why mentorship is a lifelong process24:00 – Meeting your heroes and learning from people “five levels up”27:00 – Tough businesses and why biotech is brutal29:00 – Reinvention and multi-industry curiosity31:00 – Fertility, health, and the next wave of physical-world innovation33:00 – Rare diseases, orphan drugs, and what Jess is building next35:00 – Cancer research and “normalizing” tumors38:00 – Longevity, clean living, microplastics41:00 – Can humans live to 50043:00 – China’s edge in AI and energy45:00 – Aviation, rockets, and supersonic dreams47:00 – Identity, judgment, and founder pressure51:00 – Personal growth and generational trauma54:00 – Parenting, boundaries, and becoming a better CEO58:00 – The founder’s true journey: becoming a different version of yourself1:02:00 – The future of education and AI tutors1:06:00 – Nonprofits, AI leverage, and impact at scale1:10:00 – The weirdest topics we nerd out on1:14:00 – Consciousness, reincarnation, quantum intuition1:17:00 – What Jess would tell her 19-year-old selfIf this episode resonated with you, share it with a founder who needs it.And if you want more conversations like this, subscribe and follow Not Another Podcast.

Everyone in tech talks about raising. Almost no one talks about owning.In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan Pothetes sits down with Alex Matjanec, a serial founder who built and sold multiple companies without a dollar of venture funding, to unpack what it really takes to build wealth, freedom, and meaning in a world addicted to speed.Alex built his first startup during the 2008 financial crisis, launched a top-ranked mobile agency during the App Store boom, and now runs Wysh, a fully licensed life-insurance carrier redefining what “financial protection” means.They get brutally honest about:• The trade-offs of raising vs. bootstrapping• How to build a company while working full-time (without getting sued)•What it actually costs (in time and sanity) to start an insurance company• How AI is rewriting the creative and agency world• The terrifying accuracy of actuarial math (yes, insurers really can predict when you’ll die)• Why patience, timing, and ownership beat hype every time• If you’ve ever wondered how to build something real in a bubble full of noise — this episode is for you.Timestamps00:00 – Intro: Brennan on fatherhood and building02:00 – Running a company while raising twins06:00 – How fintech evolved from 2008 to now09:00 – Crypto, smart contracts, and the insurance opportunity13:00 – Life insurance as the most human business in finance18:00 – AI’s role in predicting life & risk24:00 – Building Wysh: redesigning insurance from scratch33:00 – The next wave of applied AI and hardware36:00 – Bootstrapping vs. raising capital in 202543:00 – The rise of the art-director era for creatives46:00 – AGI, plows, and the next job revolution50:00 – Longevity, fertility, and the future of insurance products1:00:00 – How to actually start an insurance company (the truth)1:16:00 – Wild stories: pandemics, fraud, and the Wimbledon policy1:23:00 – The founder mindset: solving problems you can’t stop thinking about

Everyone’s obsessed with AI.Almost no one understands the war that’s already being fought.In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan Pothetes sits down with Nicole Maffeo, a former Bridgewater investor, ex-Google AI leader, and co-founder of Gambit Robotics, to unpack who’s really winning the global AI race.From China’s surveillance-driven data advantage to the U.S.’s bureaucratic slowdown, Nicole and Brennan break down the uncomfortable truth:AI isn’t just a tech trend. It’s a new geopolitical weapon.They dive into:– Why China’s data dominance and rare-earth control are reshaping global power– How the U.S. is falling behind in energy, compute, and long-term vision– Why hardware is the only real moat left in the AI era– And how Nicole’s building a real robot that cooks your dinner — proving that applied AI can actually improve life right nowThis isn’t another hype session about AGI. It’s a brutally honest conversation about how fast we’re falling behind and how founders can still win if they move now.Timestamps00:00 – Cold open: “We’re not winning the AI race.”02:20 – Nicole’s wild career path: Bridgewater → Google AI → Robotics startup06:00 – What Google got right (and wrong) about AI09:00 – Why Gemini is back — and what it says about Big Tech’s comeback14:00 – The problem with humanoid robots and building for 10 years from now17:50 – The practical robotics revolution: AI that actually cooks your dinner24:00 – Why foundational model companies are moving into hardware27:00 – China’s AI strategy vs. America’s red tape33:00 – Why compute and rare-earth minerals decide who wins40:00 – The new “space race” for AI dominance44:00 – Can America’s capitalist chaos still beat China’s centralization?47:00 – The Middle East and India’s surprising AI momentum50:00 – Why founders still have an edge: trust and human-in-the-loop55:00 – The end of software moats: why data + hardware are everything59:00 – The burnout of keeping up with AI as a founder1:03:00 – Why building in New York gives founders an unfair advantage1:06:00 – How SMBs and small founders can still win the AI era1:08:00 – Closing thoughts: hardware, humanity, and what comes next

What if the very traits that make you successful… are also the ones slowly breaking you?In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan Pothetes sits down with Alex Song, former Goldman Sachs and Pershing Square investor turned founder & CEO of Proxima, to explore the brutal, hidden side of building.Alex has lived every founder archetype:Finance prodigy. Serial entrepreneur. Operator of a fast-growing AI data company.But beneath the résumé lies the same question every founder eventually faces:How much can you build before you break?This is a story about the anxiety that never leaves. The fear of slowing down, the ego that fuels you, and what happens when “making it” doesn’t feel like enough.Together, Brennan and Alex unpack:• The chaotic childhood patterns that drive high performer• Why ego can quietly sabotage your best decisions• How therapy, spirituality, and presence sharpen your leadership• Why fatherhood made Alex a more empathetic (and effective) CEO• The quiet loneliness of being “the one who’s supposed to have it together”This episode is for founders who look successful on paper but can’t sleep at night.If you’ve ever asked yourself what’s the point of all this? …this one’s for you.Timestamps:00:00 – Cold open: The pressure that never fades03:00 – The West Coast “fake nice” vs. NYC directness06:30 – From Goldman Sachs to entrepreneurship09:00 – Why most holding companies fail14:00 – The ego trap: when validation runs your business17:00 – Redefining purpose inside the AI gold rush25:00 – Brennan’s burnout story and what it revealed27:00 – Alex’s chaotic childhood and how it shaped his resilience32:00 – The pain tolerance every founder learns to hide35:00 – Why therapy matters more than your next investor37:00 – The “work hard, play hard” myth that destroys founders40:00 – Spirituality, presence, and finding your center43:00 – How vulnerability builds real trust with your team49:00 – Hiring people who are smarter than you54:00 – Learning to say, “I don’t know” as a CEO58:00 – What activist investing taught Alex about conviction1:04:00 – The mentorship trap: transactional vs. authentic help1:08:00 – Fatherhood, empathy, and redefining success1:15:00 – The Everest metaphor: building without breaking1:18:00 – Closing thoughts on purpose and longevity

Most founders talk about growth, not intimacy.But here’s the truth: how you show up in your relationships is how you show up as a leader.In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan Pothetes sits down with Natassia Miller (sexologist, entrepreneur, and founder of Wanderlust Intimacy) to explore how vulnerability, communication, and connection at home translate into better leadership in business.They talk about why founders burn out their relationships, how to build emotional intelligence without losing your edge, and why better sex might just make you a better CEO.It’s provocative, smart, and surprisingly tactical.Timestamps:00:00 – Intro: Jenga, chaos, and why this topic matters03:00 – Brennan shares how he met his wife (and what it taught him about partnership)08:00 – How sex and relationships influence entrepreneurship10:15 – Communication in the bedroom = communication in the boardroom11:30 – Why founders trade relationships for startups12:00 – The loneliness crisis after an exit14:30 – Boundaries, burnout, and emotional health16:00 – The #1 device ruining your relationship20:30 – How to ask better questions and keep desire alive24:00 – Emotional labor and why money doesn’t fix connection30:00 – The “CEO in the streets, submissive in the sheets” paradox33:00 – Scheduling sex (and why it works)36:00 – Turning curiosity into intimacy40:00 – Somatic exercises to reconnect with your partner46:00 – Novelty, pickleball, and 36x more sex (really)50:00 – Why powerful people crave surrender54:00 – AI girlfriends, ethics, and the connection crisis58:00 – Vulnerability as a leadership skill1:03:00 – How male and female founders differ in showing emotion1:10:00 – Burning down your life to start again1:17:00 – The “bid for connection” rule every couple should know1:21:00 – Building an ethical business in the wellness space1:23:00 – Closing thoughts: founder love, intimacy, and balance

Most founders build for optics: flashy raises, big valuations, and investor approval.But what happens when you build for ownership instead?In the first episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan Pothetes sits down with Francis Pedraza, founder of Invisible Technologies, to explore what it really means to control your company’s destiny.Francis built one of the world’s leading AI operations companies, training 80% of the world’s large language models with only $6M raised and over $130M in annual revenue. Then, in one of the boldest moves in startup history, he bought back his investors to regain full control of the business.They unpack:Why founder control matters more than valuationHow Francis scaled profitably without chasing VC approvalWhat it takes to align teams through radical equity distribution (50% to employees!)Why governance, incentives, and ownership design are the ultimate founder superpowersThis episode is for founders who are done chasing optics and ready to build something that lasts.