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This week, Kate reflects on 2025 for feeling depleting yet not defining, exhausting and sometimes forgettable; a year of endless micro-trends, political chaos, and moment sludge that somehow left very little to hold onto. Fun! She dives into "viral death cycle" and why nothing sticks anymore, explores the three stages of aging out of culture, explores why many of us feel our brains are broken, and processes the weird grief of realizing you're no longer "becoming" someone but existing deep in a routine, all while she grapples with her uncool taste in apples. TLDR: a contemplative, honest, sometimes vulnerable year-end reflection about culture, the internet, our interests, and Kate's job at the intersection, and how this is the first year she felt like she's officially getting old. Happy Holidays! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting AuraFrames.com to get $35 off Aura's best selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter -  by using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's AuraFrames.com promo code BETHEREINFIVE. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout! Terms and conditions apply.  Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your order.  Download the app and head to the Deals tab to start Chatbooking today. Special code: BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your purchase. Give the gift of every day luxury and make every moment comfortable. Headto cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off.  Don't miss this opportunity—visit DraperJames.com and use code BTIF10 for 10% off. These pieces sell out fast, especially the new arrivals, so head over today. Link is in the show notes! Right now we have a special discount just for our listeners. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. That's OSEAMalibu.com code BETHEREINFIVE.

This week, Kate welcomes back Sarah Chapelle (Taylor Swift Style) to discuss the first two episodes of Disney+'s The End of an Era docuseries. They dissect the emotional weight of episodes 1 and 2; from the devastating Vienna terror plot and Southport attack to Taylor's leadership style, bonus day generosity, and the physical toll of performing and beyond. Kate and Sarah analyze what the docuseries reveals about Taylor's collaborative process with her team, they predict future episodes (Miami costumes? Travis spotlight?), debate burning questions (Why no debut representation? Justice for YOYOK! What's the deal with the high-low ombre dress?), and explore whether the docuseries does a better job showing "the life of a showgirl" than the album itself. Overall, a thoughtful, detailed, and fun conversation about what makes this tour and this documentary still so compelling three years later. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting AuraFrames.com to get $35 off Aura's best selling Carver Mat frames at AURAFrames.com promo code BETHEREINFIVE. Right now, Betterwild is offering our listeners up to 40% off your order at Betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Betterwild.com/BETHEREINFIVE for up to 40% off your order. Don't miss this opportunity—visit DraperJames.com and use code BTIF10 for 10% off. These pieces sell out fast, especially the new arrivals, so head over today. Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for their current offer. If you're listening Dec 12 - 14, get 25% off sitewise. If you're listenting Dec 15 - 22, you'll get 20% off sitewide. Outside of those dates there are always discounts at helixsleep.com/bethereinfive. Make sure you enter our show name into the post-purchase survey so they know we sent you! Get 10% off your purchase with my new code BETHEREINFIVE10 at marcfisherfootwear.com. That's marcfisherfootwear.com for 10% off with code BETHEREINFIVE10. Don't settle for less than evidence-based support. My listeners get 25% off your first month at Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 25% off your first month.

This week, Kate investigates Elf on the Shelf: cute Christmas tradition or late-capitalist nightmare? After a simple Instagram question turned into hundreds of responses about surveillance capitalism, invisible labor, and performative parenting, she started to unpack what this manufactured tradition reveals about millennial parenting, Christmas magic, and the mental load of the holidays. Can it just be holly-jolly casual for those of us who like light whimsy labor, or does it have to match its corresponding oppressive, mischievous Christmas elf canon? Plus, the suspicious origin story of Christopher Pop-in-kins and whether Elf on the Shelf's biggest crime isn't the ziplining across the kitchen on dental floss, but intellectual property theft. Enjoy! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your order.  For a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting AuraFrames.com to get $35 off Aura's best-selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter -  by using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's AuraFrames.com promo code BETHEREINFIVE. . This season, give yourself—and your loved ones—the gift of perfectly cooked meals with CHEF iQ. And with my promo code BETHEREINFIVE you can save 30% and get all your shopping done! Go to CHEFIQ.com, promo code BETHEREINFIVE  Give the gift of everyday luxury this holiday season. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 40% off — just be sure to place your order by December 12th for guaranteed Christmas delivery. Listening after the 12th? Don't worry — my code still works year-round for 20% off.  Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.  Whether it's a weekend away, a big night out, or just a little style refresh – your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to REVOLVE.com/BETHEREINFIVE, shop my edit, and take 15% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE. Fast two-day shipping, easy returns – it's literally the only place you need to shop from.  So don't wait – make this holiday the year you give something truly unforgettable. To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE.

This week, Kate's peer pressuring you to listen to an episode about the DARE program in the 90s and how it made every fifth grader in America incredibly wary of adults wearing trench coats. From winning essay contests and meeting Darren the Lion to interpretive dance performances and questionable field trips, listeners' stories did not disappoint. This episode also explores the program's history, why DARE may have worked to spook many of us but was statistically ineffective, the surprisingly dark surveillance tactics involving kids as informants, and the wild MLM-adjacent structures behind the program's expansion. Enjoy!   Works Cited https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-american-history/article/dare-to-say-no-police-and-the-cultural-politics-of-prevention-in-the-war-on-drugs/2DF294BFCC638BFC0CC7744742401937 https://www.cerd.org/d-a-r-e-s-programs-cost-soars-past-1-billion-with-little-accounting/ https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/09/dare-history-police-surveillance-schools.html   Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 20% off your order. Get 30% off sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE  at CHEFIQ.com. That's CHEFIQ.com, promo code BETHEREINFIVE . Give the gift of comfort that lasts beyond the holidays. This weekend only! From Thanksgiving Day through Cyber Monday, get 40% off at cozyearth.com with code BETHEREINFIVE. If you're ready to refresh your wardrobe with pieces that combine style, quality, and longevity, head to DraperJames.com. And here's the best part: use code BTIF10 at checkout to get 10% off sitewide.  This holiday season, simplify your routine with makeup that's clean, strategic, and multifunctional. From November 18th - December 1st, Jones Road is doing their first ever Black Friday Sale! Go to JonesRoadBeauty.com to get up to 20% off sitewide.  Reboot your fall wardrobe with elevated essentials from Marc Fisher. This week shop during their Black Friday Preview Event, which is 25-50% off select styles. Get a head start on your holiday shopping or treat yourself to the boots of your dreams. 10% off your purchase with my new code BETHEREINFIVE10 at marcfisherfootwear.com.

This week, Kate has Nora McInerny back for their tradition of poorly recapping The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. They do a better job this time of actually talking about the show, and after catching up on Nora's Groupons, they go through the main SLOMW storylines while drawing parallels with the current legendary season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Enjoy!   Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.  Whether it's a weekend away, a big night out, or just a little style refresh – your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to REVOLVE.com/BETHEREINFIVE, shop my edit, and take 15% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE. Fast two-day shipping, easy returns – it's literally the only place you need to shop from.  So today or some quiet Sunday morning when you're feeling inspired, visit Sixpenny.com/BeThereInFive for a stroll through their impeccably designed pieces, and perhaps even order yourself some free swatches.  So don't wait — cross those names off your list before the rush. To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE 

A casual late night monologue, gabbing about things on Kate's mind, including but not limited to: Hilary Duff's new single "Mature" Speaking of age gaps, Kat Stickler and John Mayer dating?? Celeb plastic surgery content Danielle Bernstein's wedding, which turned out was the engagement party Shay Mitchell's new company selling SHEET MASKS TO THE CHILDREN Performing beauty rituals in front of young kids What Kate, an adult, used on her face/skin in that pope video One month of Life of a Showgirl Rosalia's Lux and the joy of a creative risk that challenges your attention span Lily Allen's West End Girl and discourse about the discourse ENJOY! links -- https://shopmy.us/shop/collections/2810333 Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Black Friday has come early at Cozy Earth! Right now, you can stack my code BETHEREINFIVE on top of their sitewide sale at cozyearth.com— giving you up to 40% off in savings. These deals won't last, so start your holiday shopping today! And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Wrap the Ones You Love in Luxury with Cozy Earth. Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for their Black Friday Sale: the Best of the Web. From November 3 - Dec 1 it's 27% Off Sitewide exclusively for listeners of Be There in Five. That's helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for their Black Friday Sale November 3 - Dec 1 for 27% Off Sitewide. Make sure you enter our show name into the post-purchase survey so they know we sent you!  Give the gift of glow this holiday with our listener discount on OSEA's clean, clinically tested skincare. Just use code BETHEREINFIVE for 10% off your first order sitewide at OSEAMalibu.com. That's 10% your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health. My listeners get early access to their Black Friday sale for 40% off your first month at Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's Ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 40% off your first month. Don't miss out on their best sale of the season.

This week, Kate's trying something new during her off week: a Fall/Halloween-themed mashup episode pulling together some of her favorite topically adjacent clips from the past 7+ years of Be There in Five. Includes segments from Make Your Christian Brothers Autumnal, Ween Pics, Spooky Snorkel, and Wicked Witch of the Midwest, covering foliage conspiracies, cozy chasing, how Claire ate the muffins, Now & Then-style seances and sleepover occult rituals, ghost fashions, the historical context of witches, why millennials are attached to fall, and so much more. Enjoy!   Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Hey Beths, did you know all of your favorite podcasts, including Be There in Five are on Amazon Music? We all know finding the best listening platform can be a challenge, but Amazon Music does it right. They make the process seamless from start to finish. You can even listen on any Alexa-powered devices you have. All you have to say is 'Alexa, play the podcast Be There In Five on Amazon Music.' Or if you're listening on your phone, just download the Amazon Music app, search for "Be There In Five" and click "Follow."

This week, Kate is joined by friends of the pod (Nora McInerny and Caroline Moss) for a delightfully chaotic convo about DWTS that starts with Groupons, the jewelry heist, millennial dentures, car shopping, and more. Then, the second half of the episode, seasoned fans Kate and Caroline share their favorite DWTS lore and celeb gossip with newcomer Nora, and they dissect the current season: who could win, who should win, who should be sent home, and what they believe to be the heart and soul of the show. Fun for watchers of DWTS and newcomers alike! Enjoy. Timestamps 00:00:00 Intro chit chat, Groupon needles in your face, jewelry heist, car shopping 00:35:20  Kate's solo thoughts on this DWTS season's success and how the internet is changing the experience 00:52:47 Group DWTS discussion   SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Right now, Baked by Melissa is offering our listeners 20% off your order at Bakedbymelissa.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Restore your peace of mind with Harbor: the only baby monitor designed to never fail you. Plus, Harbor has a special deal for my listeners, use code BETHEREINFIVE or go to Harbor.co/BETHEREINFIVE for $50 off and experience the security every parent deserves.   Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive. That's Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive, code bethereinfive to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life.   Shop early, have fun, and cross some names off your list today. To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE. That's UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE, for 15% off! Don't miss out on this limited-time offer. Uncommon Goods. We're all out of the ordinary.   Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health. Get 25% off your first month, only at ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Start Ritual or add Essential For Women 18+ to your subscription today. That's ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 25% off. 

This week, for part 2 of our hobbies series, Kate reads listener emails about pursuing new hobbies as an adult and their profound impact on personal fulfillment, mental health, and community building. Ranging from arts & crafts to whale watching, canine nosework to online sleuthing and beyond, the Beths share heartfelt anecdotes about the simple pleasures and unexpected connections they've found through prioritizing joy and leisure. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off! And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, make sure to let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here on Be There in Five! Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to  Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive, code bethereinfive to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Reboot your fall wardrobe with elevated essentials from Marc Fisher. Shop the new collection and receive 10% off your purchase with my new code BETHEREINFIVE10 at marcfisherfootwear.com.  Whether it's a weekend away, a big night out, or just a little style refresh – your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to REVOLVE.com/BETHEREINFIVE, shop my edit, and take 15% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE. Fast two-day shipping, easy returns – it's literally the only place you need to shop from. Offer ends October 24th, so happy shopping!

A stream of consciousness about TS12 with Kate after she had a couple days to let it marinate. Back to hobbies next week. :) Enjoy!   SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for up to 20% off! And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, make sure to let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for their Fall Savings Event from October 1 2025 →October 6th, 2025 for 20% off site wide. That's helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for their Fall Savings Event from October 1 2025 → October 6th, 2025 for 20% off site wide. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! Get healthy, glowing skin for fall with clean, vegan skin and body care from OSEA. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. You'll get free samples with every order, and free shipping on orders over $50.  Instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health.* Get 25% off your first month, only at ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Start Ritual or add Essential For Women 18+ to your subscription today. 

This week, Kate and her guest Carmen James (@thegoodcarmablog) chat about all things related to adult hobbies. The first half is Kate musing about nostalgic hobbies, sharing her own recent ventures, and the importance of finding identity and joy in leisurely activities. Then, Kate and Carmen discuss a variety of topics, e.g., finding community through crafting, why hobbies feel fraught for millennials, the joy of getting lost in creative flow, and why domestic arts shouldn't require feminist disclaimers. Enjoy!      

A nostalgic deep-dive into the last era of millennial optimism, when we got to figure out who we wanted to be before the algorithm told us who we already were. Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS who make producing an independent show possible. Whether it's a weekend away, a big night out, or just a little style refresh – your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to REVOLVE.com/BETHEREINFIVE, shop my edit, and take 15% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE. Fast two-day shipping, easy returns – it's literally the only place you need to shop from. Offer ends September 28th, so happy shopping! Reboot your fall wardrobe with elevated essentials from Marc Fisher. Shop the new collection and receive 10% off your purchase with my new code BETHEREINFIVE10 at marcfisherfootwear.com. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for 40% off! And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, make sure to let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Go to Helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for 25% Off Sitewide during the Extended Labor Day Sale. Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.

This week, Kate answers listener texts and voicemails. She snorkels left chest logo polo critters of yesterday and today, organizes mall chain restaurants into experiential tiers, power ranks Gatorade flavors, and explores a world where the Cullens' immortality problems are simply solved by homeschooling. Yep, that's the episode. Enjoy!  tiers of mall chain restaurants,  Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Thank you to AllModern for furnishing Kate's Season 2 Studio! AllModern has the best of modern furniture and decor all in one place. With styles from Scandi and mid-century, to minimalist and maximalist, every design is hand-vetted for quality by their team of experts. Plus they have fast + free shipping! Check out allmodern.com; you'll find Kate's bookshelves here and her new rug here! Fuel your day with the freshest, best-tasting meal delivery made by award-winning chefs. Go to cookunity.com/bethereinfivefree or enter code bethereinfivefree before checkout for free premium meals for life. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for 40% off! And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, make sure to let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Get healthy, glowing skin for summer with clean, vegan skin and body care from OSEA. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. You'll get free samples with every order, and free shipping on orders over $50. Don't settle for less than evidence-based support. Get 25% off your first month at ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Start Ritual or add Essential Prenatal to your subscription today.

This week, Kate brings in a friend of hers and a friend of the pod, Lucy Carey (aka @lucyontheground), for an in-depth discussion about the series "The Summer I Turned Pretty" [ALERT: the TV series version, they aren't book experts]. They explore the cultural phenomenon of the series, its massive viewership, intense stan-dom, the love triangle, and complex character dynamics between Belly, Conrad, and Jeremiah (and Redbird??). They go through key moments, episodes, character motivations, songs, Easter eggs, Jere and Belly's biggest flops, and so much more. Don't listen if you aren't open to speculating about the ending :) Enjoy! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Thank you to AllModern for furnishing Kate's Season 2 Studio! AllModern has the best of modern furniture and decor all in one place. Check out allmodern.com; you'll find Kate's bookshelves here and her new rug here! Go to cookunity.com/bethereinfivefree or enter code bethereinfivefree before checkout for Free Premium Meals for Life. Terms and conditions apply. Go to Cookunity.com for details. Savor the last bits of summer with Liquid I.V. Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to LIQUID-IV.COM and get 20% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Today or some quiet Sunday morning when you're feeling inspired, visit Sixpenny.com/BeThereInFive for a stroll through their impeccably designed pieces, and perhaps even order yourself some free swatches. Get healthy, glowing skin for summer with clean, vegan skin and body care from OSEA. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. You'll get free samples with every order, and free shipping on orders over $50.

This week, Kate listened to a two-hour football podcast and lives to tell the tale. In this podcast episode about a podcast episode, Kate obsesses over a 30-something woman and her boyfriend existing and being normal, which surprisingly turned out to be the best entertainment of all. She recaps Taylor Swift's unprecedented appearance on New Heights, where we learned about TS12: The Life of a Showgirl, coming October 3rd. She breaks down her personal interview highlights, from SAT vocab words to otters to human exclamation marks and having fun. She was particularly struck by the Sourdough (10-minute version) airtime that was devoted exclusively to bread puns. She also talks through what we know so far about TS12 and gets excited to make space for more Blank Space pop on this album, exclusively produced by Max Martin and Shellback. Enjoy! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Did you know all of your favorite podcasts, including Be There in Five are on Amazon Music? All you have to say is 'Alexa, play the podcast Be There In Five on Amazon Music.' Or if you're listening on your phone, just download the Amazon Music app, search for "Be There In Five" and click "Follow." Take advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive.  So today or some quiet Sunday morning when you're feeling inspired, visit Sixpenny.com/BeThereInFive for a stroll through their impeccably designed pieces, and perhaps even order yourself some free swatches.  Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for the Labor Day Sale: Best of Web Offer, which is 27% Off sitewide Exclusive for listeners of Be There in Five, from August 15, 2025 → September 8, 2025. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! Get 15% off Branch Basics with code BETHEREINFIVE at https://branchbasics.com/BETHEREINFIVE! #branchbasicspod Calm has an exclusive offer just for listeners of our show– get 40% off a Calm Premium Subscription at calm.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 40% off unlimited access to Calm's entire library. calm.com/BETHEREINFIVE. And tell Calm you heard about them from me!

This week, Kate's interviewing Lee Tilghman, also known as @LeeFromAmerica, who was one of the very first major wellness influencers on social media. To her nearly 400k followers, she shared daily updates on everything from skincare and sleep hacks to smoothie bowls, travel tips, and workout routines, and her sponsorships netted an income of over $300k a year. On the grid, her life seemed perfect. But behind her carefully curated posts, Tilghman was in crisis, suffocating from the unrelenting demand of keeping up her online facade. She found herself viewing everything she did as potential content for Instagram, her relationships suffered, and her job's focus on food led her to develop an unhealthy obsession with eating "perfectly." After a stay in a mental health facility to address her disordered eating and psychological decline, Tilghman quit influencing as her primary career and set out to discover who she really was by leaving it all behind. Or did she? In this episode, Kate and Lee discuss her memoir (out Tuesday Aug 12) "If You Don't Like This, I Will Die," with topics including the pressures of influencer culture, the evolution of wellness trends, and the complexities of social media addiction. They explore Lee's journey through extreme wellness practices, her current POV on her treatment for orthorexia, and her departure from the influencer world. Ultimately, while Lee shares a compelling personal story, the conversation reveals notable inconsistencies between her current perspectives and her memoir's narrative, so Kate also contemplates how curated online personas continue to shape real-life accountability in her outtro and will continue the conversation over at patreon.com/bethereinfive. Note: This episode covers eating disorders and wellness culture. For resources and support, visit NEDA.org SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Thank you to AllModern for furnishing Kate's Season 2 Studio! AllModern has the best of modern furniture and decor all in one place. With styles from Scandi and mid-century, to minimalist and maximalist, every design is hand-vetted for quality by their team of experts. Plus they have fast + free shipping! Check out allmodern.com; you'll find Kate's bookshelves here and her new rug here! Go to cookunity.com/bethereinfivefree or enter code bethereinfivefree before checkout for Free Premium Meals for Life. Terms and conditions apply. Go to Cookunity.com for details. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code BETHEREINFIVE for 40% off! And if you get a Post-Purchase Survey, make sure to let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here! Go to LIQUID-IV.COM and get 20% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's 20% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at LIQUID-IV.COM.  Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. You'll get free samples with every order, and free shipping on orders over $50. Head to OSEAMalibu.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE for 10% off. Get 25% off your first month at ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Start Ritual or add Essential Prenatal to your subscription today. That's ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 25% off.

This week, join Kate and Caroline Moss as they chat through a variety of topics, from nostalgic summers that turned shitty to off-broadway dreams becoming realities in the big city. They discuss things like the Coldplay couple, Labubus, the importance of a modern-day Girls rewatch, the likability trap, Gen Z's relationship to social media, the attention economy, and, most importantly, Caroline shares her journey to becoming a producer of the off-Broadway play 'Dilaria,' starring Conrad Fisher himself (#teamconnie). Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Hey Beths, did you know all of your favorite podcasts, including Be There in Five are on Amazon Music? All you have to say is 'Alexa, play the podcast Be There In Five on Amazon Music.' Or if you're listening on your phone, just download the Amazon Music app, search for "Be There In Five" and click "Follow." To pick up my amika favorites, go to loveamika.com/bethereinfive. And for the rest of July, amika is giving Be There in Five listeners a one-time use code for 20% off your first order. Yes, that is TWENTY PERCENT OFF from now through July 31. Just go to my page at loveamika.com/bethereinfive and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Get what you're craving. Try the freshest, best-tasting meal delivery made by your favorite celebrity chefs. Go to cookunity.com/bethereinfivefree or enter code bethereinfivefree before checkout for Free Premium Meals for Life. That's Free Premium Meals for Life by using code bethereinfivefree or going to COOKUNITY.COM/bethereinfivefree. Terms and conditions apply. Go to Cookunity.com for details. Go to Helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for 27% Off Sitewide, Exclusive for listeners of Be There in Five. That's Helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for 27% Off Sitewide. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you!  Squeeze the most out of your Summer with Liquid I.V. Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to LIQUID-IV.COM and get 20% off your first order with code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Head to nordstrom.com to build your Marc Fisher Footwear wish list now, and shop premium styles at an exceptional value online through Aug 4!

This week, join Kate as she returns to form (2+ hour early BTI5-style rambling) by going through an old PowerPoint she found on her computer about Taylor Swift's evolution from diary-style songwriter to mythological storyteller through increasingly complex literary references. From "Love Story" fairytale princess to The Albatross and Cassandra the cursed prophet, how has Taylor deliberately written herself into literary archetypes as both artistic strategy and psychological self-defense? TLDR; a chaotic TS deep dive with a (hopefully) entertaining payoff about why our "crazy" fan behavior might actually be anthropologically normal. Topics covered: The difference between symbolic self-portraiture and literal autobiography Greek gods vs. monotheistic religious figures (and why it matters for fandom behavior) Guillermo del Toro's quote about Taylor's "deep interest in fable and myth" Why "Mastermind" is more about childhood loneliness than strategic planning "The Albatross" and the Rime of the Ancient Mariner Why treating artists like gods can be dehumanizing in the name of protection Finding self-acceptance and/or collective empowerment at pop concerts A bathroom floor monologue about fairytales and personal authority And so much more! Enjoy! TRACK FIVE CHICAGO is on Saturday, July 19. Get your tix here! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! To pick up my amika favorites, go to loveamika.com/bethereinfive. And for the rest of July, amika is giving Be There in Five listeners a one-time use code for 20% off your first order. Yes, that is TWENTY PERCENT OFF from now through July 31. Just go to my page at loveamika.com/bethereinfive and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Thanks to amika for supporting the show! Get ready for Cozy Days! Don't miss your chance to score Cozy Earth's biggest discount of the year. From July 11–13, head to cozyearth.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE to get 45% off best-selling, temperature-regulating sheets, apparel, and more. Don't forget, this deal ends on July 13! For better sleep and a cooler summer, what's stopping you? Sleep cooler, lounge lighter, stay cozy at Cozy Earth. (if you listen after July 13, you can get 40% off with code BETHEREINFIVE!) For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive and use code bethereinfive. That's Hungryroot.com/bethereinfive, code bethereinfive to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Head to nordstrom.com to build your Marc Fisher Footwear wish list now, and shop premium styles at an exceptional value online and in-store starting July 12th! Get healthy, glowing skin for summer with clean, vegan face and body care from OSEA. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code BETHEREINFIVE at OSEAMalibu.com. You'll get free samples with every order, and free shipping on orders over $60. Head to OSEAMalibu.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE for 10% off. Don't settle for less than evidence-based support. Get 25% off your first month at ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Start Ritual or add Essential Prenatal to your subscription today. That's ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 25% off.

This week, Kate starts by talking about water table culture, Le Creuset mystery boxes, and attempting to reclaim her adult hobbies, then she's joined by Katie Gatti Tassin (Money with Katie, Diabolical Lies) to talk about her book Rich Girl Nation, which analyzes the unique experiences women have with money and discusses a variety of fascinating cultural, economic, social and financial intersections related to navigating capitalism as a woman. They talk about the co-opting of investment terminology in the name of consumerism and "self-care," the hot girl hamster wheel of pricey beauty maintenance, as well as touch on societal influences on women's financial habits, the significance of prenups, and effective strategies for negotiating salaries, and more. Enjoy! TRACK FIVE CHICAGO is on Saturday, July 19. Get your tix here! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! Check out my favs at loveamika.com/bethereinfive and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout to get 15% off your first order! 

This week, Kate reviews America's Sweethearts season 2 on Netflix and tells the tale of how last year's Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders episode became one of BTI5's biggest hits— and biggest headaches. When current DCC members flooded her TikTok comments defending themselves against former teammate Victoria's mild birthday party observations, Kate found herself thunderstruck by cheerleader drama she never saw coming, and she'll never be the same. A year later, Kate returns to process what really went down behind the scenes and what she learned about internet drama, institutional dynamics, and the difference between nice girls and kind people. But she doesn't just break down her personal breakdown, she also recaps season two and reviews the pay negotiations that dominated this season, Shandy's mysterious Bahamas incident, Jada's incredible leadership, Dayton's return to Saturn (but not The Star), and examines how each season humanized the women in different ways. Originally recorded for Patreon, this episode offers a mix of gossipy pop culture, behind-the-scenes scoop, and personal vulnerability that she may regret later. Enjoy! TRACK FIVE CHICAGO is on Saturday, July 19. Get your tix here! Order Kate's NYT Bestselling book, One in a Millennial here! Text or leave a voicemail for Kate at 775-HEY-BETH! For June, amika is giving my listeners a one-time use code for 15% off your first order. Go to my page at loveamika.com/bethereinfive and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout.