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Author: Susan Larkin & Ruby Williams

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Are you worried you might be drinking too much?  If you’ve tried cutting back your drinking, but can’t imagine your life without wine? This podcast is for you. 


Sober & Lit is the podcast for women in midlife who want encouragement, support, and real strategies to live their best life without alcohol. Whether you identify as a gray area drinker, a daily drinker, are exploring how to stop drinking, or are wondering how to know if you even have a drinking problem, this show offers practical tools and honest conversations. In each episode we answer real listeners’ questions about how to stop drinking and how to stay stopped. With sober stories, empowering insights, and practical tips and tactics for living sober with mindfulness, confidence, and joy. If you're ready to explore an alcohol-free lifestyle and step into your most vibrant, “lit” life you're in the right place.  


This podcast is for you if you’ve ever asked:

  • Why can’t I drink like everyone else?  
  • Why do I drink more than I want to? 
  • I had weight loss surgery and why am I drinking every day now? 
  • What is a gray area drinker? 
  • Why can’t I stop drinking once I start? 
  • How can I drink less during stressful times (holidays, divorce, empty nest, grief)? 
  • Is it possible to enjoy life without alcohol? 
  • How do I cut back without quitting completely? 
  • What’s the first step to changing my drinking? 
  • How much alcohol is too much for a woman my age? 



Every episode ends with how we and our guests feel lit with practices that support our mental health, optimizes your fitness goals and enhances personal growth. If you’re sober-curious, or alcohol-free and ready for your next amazing chapter in life, this podcast is your weekly dose of inspiration, tools, real talk, and some laughs!


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Question: What if you could relax, socialize, and unwind… without alcohol? No hangover. No brain fog. No regret. So what are people drinking instead? 👉 Kava. In this episode, Ruby and Susan sit down with Morgan Smith, founder of Kalm with Kava, to explore the ancient South Pacific drink that’s quietly becoming a modern alcohol-free ritual. Inside this conversation: What kava actually is (and why it’s trending)The fascinating roots of kava culture in the South PacificHow kava relaxes the...
Let’s name it. You stopped drinking. You felt amazing. Then somehow… you started again. Why? Today we’re pulling back the curtain on the stop-start cycle — and it’s not about weakness. Here’s what we unpack: -- Why your brain romanticizes “just one” -- The neural pathway + fading effect bias trap -- The “drinking train” effect (why it gets harder each time) -- How stress hijacks your nervous system -- Body-based tools to interrupt the craving loop -- How to stay stopped — without ...
This episode is for you if you’ve ever asked: How do I sit with pain without pouring a glass? What comes after sobriety? Can I feel whole again? Today’s episode is a gentle, powerful invitation to feel—without numbing. We’re joined by Brandi Babb, certified coach + somatic experiencing practitioner, in a real conversation with hosts Susan Larkin and Ruby Williams about grief, sobriety, and learning to stay present when life hurts. Here’s what unfolds: • Brandi’s journey to...
Ever freeze when someone offers you a drink? Wonder how to stay alcohol-free and feel connected? In this Sober & Lit episode, Ruby and Susan get real about what’s actually happening in those moments — and how to move through them with confidence instead of white-knuckling it. Inside this conversation: Why saying no isn’t about willpower (it’s about wiring + people-pleasing)Simple ways to prepare before events so you don’t panic in the moment Go-to phrases that feel natural (not...
Have you ever wondered... How do you date without liquid courage?What happens when you stop numbing and start feeling?Could connection actually be easier alcohol-free?In this episode, Ruby and Susan sit down with Lily Shanks — life + relationship coach with 7+ years of sobriety, who went from high-achieving attorney quietly struggling with alcohol… to deeply connected, emotionally sober, and helping others rebuild from the inside out. We’re talking about: Sober dating + sober sex (yes, the aw...
What if connection didn’t come in a glass? What if community didn’t revolve around drinking? What if sobriety actually made life more fun? In this episode, we’re joined by Chris Marshall— • Founder of Sans Bar, North America’s first non-alcoholic bar • Mental health advocate • Author of Faster Than Light • And a powerful voice redefining sober social life Chris's story goes deep and together, we explore: ✅ Why alcohol-free spaces matter more than ever ✅ How loneliness keeps people drink...
Have you ever felt like the story you’ve been told about alcohol is missing the most important truths? In this episode of Sober & Lit, Susan Larkin and Ruby Williams are joined by Mike Marshall, CEO of the U.S. Alcohol Policy Alliance, for a conversation that pulls alcohol out of the shadows and into the light—without shame, fear, or finger-pointing. This episode explores: Why alcohol’s real harms are rarely discussedThe truth about alcohol as a toxic, addictive carcinogenMike’s personal...
What if alcohol isn’t the problem… but the placeholder? In this episode of Sober & Lit, Ruby and Susan are joined by Anna Donaghey—certified alcohol mindset and life coach, award-winning podcast host, and author of What Are You Thirsty For?—for a conversation that goes way deeper than drinking less. Anna shares her journey from teenage drinking and a booze-soaked career in advertising to a life of clarity, purpose, and alcohol-free freedom—and the moment she realized alcohol was doing job...
What if going alcohol-free wasn’t just about you… but about everyone who comes after you? In this New Year kickoff episode of Sober & Lit, co-hosts Susan and Ruby step into their third year of the podcast with a raw, heart-opening conversation about legacy, healing, and the quiet ripple effect of choosing sobriety. They reflect on the moments that changed everything—conversations with their kids, patterns they didn’t realize they were modeling, and the powerful shift that happens when som...
What if eating more could actually help you feel better, weigh less, and ditch the drink for good? In this powerful episode of Sober & Lit, Susan and Ruby sit down with Dr. Ginny Trieweiler—a psychologist, certified health coach, and author of Slender for Good After 50—to unpack the radical idea that you don’t need restriction, calorie counting, or alcohol to feel lit, vibrant, and free. Ginny gets real about her own midlife transformation: facing down chronic pain, prediabetes, emotion...
What if your “wake-up call” didn’t have to be a disaster? In this powerful episode of the Sober & Lit Podcast, Coaches Ruby and Susan shatter the outdated belief that you need to hit rock bottom to reevaluate your relationship with alcohol. Do you really have to lose everything to want more for yourself? What if feeling meh is enough of a reason to start feeling lit? With raw honesty and hard-earned wisdom, they unpack the real reasons high-functioning women stay stuck, how alcohol ...
Welcome to the Sober & Lit Podcast—where living alcohol-free gets to be bold, empowered, and dare we say… fun. In this episode, Susan and Ruby ask the question so many of us avoid: Is there ever a “right” time to change your relationship with alcohol? Spoiler: That time might just be now. As the air shifts and September energy rolls in, they're breaking down why this season is prime time to start fresh—no rock bottom required. Think: new routines, back-to-school vibes, and momentum ...
What if New Year’s Eve didn’t end with a hangover… but with pride, clarity, and real connection? In this episode of Sober & Lit, Susan and Ruby flip the script on New Year’s Eve and Dry January, inviting you to question everything you’ve been taught about celebration, alcohol, and “starting fresh.” 5 ideas to help you ring in the New Year—feeling clear, connected, and truly "lit" alcohol-free: Question the champagne myth Who decided alcohol = celebration anyway? We unpack how culture, ad...
When the wine is flowing, the pressure is on, and you’re wondering—can I really do this alcohol-free and still feel joy? In this festive but very real episode, Susan and Ruby open up about the awkward moments, the grounding tools that saved them, and how their sober holidays have actually become the most meaningful ones yet. When you’re the only one at the Holiday table not drinking… Listen in for Real-Life Tips to stay sober this Christmas or Hanukkah: You’ll walk away with powerful strat...
Is it even really the holidays without the clink of champagne or spiked eggnog? Or… could this be the year you discover a deeper kind of joy—one that doesn’t come in a glass? In this feel-it-to-heal-it episode, Susan and Ruby dive into the messy, magical middle of the holiday season—where cravings collide with traditions, and the pressure to be “merry” can trigger the urge to drink. They ask the big question: What actually makes the holidays feel good… and what are we ready to leave b...
It’s our 100th episode — and we’re celebrating with a powerful dose of alcohol-free vitality! In this milestone conversation, Ruby and Susan welcome the radiant Patricia Becker: a sober yoga teacher, plant-based nutrition coach, and wellness guide helping women 50+ feel strong, flexible, and lit from within. If you’ve ever wondered how to age gracefully without alcohol… or how breathwork, chair yoga, and gut-healing foods can reignite your energy and self-love, this one’s for you. Patricia sh...
How do you show up at a holiday party without showing up with a drink? That’s the big question—and in this episode of Sober & Lit, your hosts Ruby and Susan are unpacking the real talk behind office mixers, family dinners, and every bubbly-filled soirée in between. If you’ve ever clutched a club soda while dodging awkward small talk or wished for an invisibility cloak after the third “Why aren’t you drinking?”—this one’s for you. We’re swapping out shame for sparkle and pressure for pre...
Is wine culture keeping you stuck—and lying to you? In this episode of the Sober & Lit podcast, Ruby and Susan sit down with Meg Geisewite, author of Intoxicating Lies, to unpack the myths women are sold about drinking. From “mommy needs wine” memes to emotional manipulation masked as self-care, we explore the dangerous messages keeping women locked in gray area drinking—and how to break free. Meg shares her raw story of alcohol dependence, recovery, and empowerment, while diving deep ...
How do you handle a holiday centered on gratitude… when everyone around you is sipping wine? In this powerful Thanksgiving episode of the Sober & Lit Podcast, your hosts Ruby and Susan crack open the truth about navigating one of the most triggering holidays on the alcohol-free journey. Is it your first sober Thanksgiving? Or maybe you're feeling the tug of tradition, social pressure, or the emotional weight of family dynamics? You’re not alone—and you don’t have to white-knuckle it. Toge...
What if the best parts of you were just waiting on the other side of your last drink? In this episode of Sober & Lit, your hosts Susan and Ruby—alcohol freedom coaches with two very different journeys—reveal the surprising, unfiltered reasons why they chose to ditch alcohol for good. From Ruby’s past life in the wine industry to Susan’s search for deeper spiritual connection, this isn’t just another “why I quit drinking” story—it’s a powerful reframe of what you gain when you go alcohol-f...
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