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This is Cybersecurity's premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you're just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you'll always learn something on this show.
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TL;DR: Today, Julian Brownlow Davies rejoins the pod (Ep 688) to continue the conversation about 3rd party external security testing. It's strong opinions and tales of woe all around. Episode 688: https://dtsr.buzzsprout.com/2153215/episodes/18498795-dtsr-episode-688-looking-for-meaning-in-the-signal YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/6ZCPNXR_5u0 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=...
TL;DR: This week's guest is Matt Carothers who works at a major Internet provider. We talk about defending, strategy, and some of the interesting topics that come with the job. If you have Internet at home, or at the office, or on the go - this episode is for you. There will probably be a part 2. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/tJcjtgn759g Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-...
TL;DR: Social media is corrupting our kids, radicalizing your neighbors, and being basically evil with no checks. This episode is an "off the rails" discussion on a not-so-clearly Cyber Security topic, with us diving deep and getting a little angry. Thanks to Kevin Thompson for joining us and sharing his qualified opinion as a dad and experienced Scout Master. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/RXzAVG98T6s Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider...
TL;DR: Grab your favorite note-taking thing, this week's pod features Julian Brownlow Davies of BugCrowd and it's chock full of things you'll want to look up. We tackle how red teaming and external 3rd party testing fits into a current security strategy, and how finding signal in the noise is just the beginning. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/aNz-qPmWf7g1 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the sh...
TL;DR: This week's episode is a special one. I (Rafal) revisit episode 100 with the one and only Dan Geer. Some shows are "in the moment", some are timeless. This show is timeless. Dan's wisdom and insights are as applicable today as they were 12 years ago. Crazy, right? Fun story - I ran into Dan at Black Hat conference a few years ago and asked him what he would say is 'different' since we recorded that episode... his response? "My beard is longer". Solid GOLD. Listen in. Take notes. H...
TL;DR: On today's pod, Rob Allen of ThreatLocker makes his triumphant return to derail us straight into a conversation about legacy systems and why he's still supporting WindowsXP. Right, you read that right. A great conversation ensued, and I'm glad we were able to record this one. Enjoy. From us to you, thank you for following along this year, and we wish you a happy new year, and all the best in 2026! YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/dFO1NTo1MGc Have something to say? Let's hea...
TL;DR: In part 1 of 2, Gadi Evron joins the show and chats with Jim and Rafal on the topic of the "AI Cataclysm". What does that even mean? Listen in - but it's part to do with how AI is changing the attacker model (level of effort, expertise required, timeline) and what defenders should start to think about. Part 2 is coming soon, standby. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/izX0jOUpKJM Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the ...
TL;DR: This week's show features Aaron Costello, and is all about an analog from real-world attacks on humans, applied to AI "agents". I know what you're thinking - computers are supposed to be more difficult to trick, right? Right... no. Attacks such as this where computers try to be "helpful" (just like humans) are probably more common than we'd like to think. Give this a listen, it's a hoot. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/fM88jSkamDQ Have something to say? Let's hear it. Su...
TL;DR: On this episode, it's just Jim and Rafal talking about how sometimes you just need to take a big step back from your day job and touch some grass. Our chosen profession is, demanding, to say the least. So let's take a minute to acknowledge what we're really thinking. Unfiltered, raw, and straight from our heads to your ears, enjoy. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/ULTq1pzckFg Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the li...
TL;DR: This week's pod features a conversation with the Jay Jacobs, whom had previously been on the show talking about this very topic (vulnerability ranking/scoring) many, many years ago. If you missed Episode 297 check it out, it's crazy how far (or not) we've come since that conversation. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/cpL9ZYbwkes Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-...
TL;DR: John Rafal & Jim as we welcome Dustin Lehr to talk about the state of AppSec and how we got here. We discuss vulnerabilities, accountability, culture, and a host of other things. It's a caffein-fueled episode, so buckle in! Youtube video: https://youtube.com/live/yoBIQ_sIawI Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= YouTube ...
TL;DR: We heard RSnake's take on CVSS and CVEs and such, now let's hear Brian "Jericho" Martin's take. The gloves are off, and the opinions go native when we take this episode live. Brian doesn't pull any punches, and apparently I'm the only one without a pocket full of $2 bills? Sorry for the explicit rating, that's Brian's fault. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/2-3Jzks5myc?feature=share Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking...
TL;DR: Patching. Your least favorite thing. Well, it turns out that most of the work we have been doing in the last 20+ years has been for nothing. Robert "RSnake" Hansen's theory, backed by a lot of data, seems to point to a much bigger problem in cyber, and it's time we talk about it. Rob's Closing Keynote that started this conversation: https://youtu.be/80ZtAsuC4v4?si=-liUcLX4adz092yP YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/k4kvKWZVh78 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the...
TL;DR: This week's pod features your favorite hosts reflecting on how security has lost its way. When everything is a catastrophe, nothing is. When every breach is world-ending, none of them matter. Have we completely lost the plot? Prepare to have a good think. YouTube Video: <coming soon> Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=...
TL;DR: On this week's pod - Sean Scranton and Shawn Tuma make a return appearance to talk about Cyber (Security) Insurance. Some see it as the answer to cyber's problems, while others see it as just another question. Which is it? Is it just a matter of perspective? Listen in and find out! YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/GiuheFiFO78 Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-...
TL;DR: This week's pod is all about healthcare-related data that is bought and sold the world over - and how you this data can be utilized while still preserving privacy. In this mind-blowing segment, John Kuhn of Integral joins Jim and I to talk about the vast quantities of data that's bought, sold, and aggregated for healthcare research - and how it can be used for good, while still preserving people's privacy (or what's left of it - debate ensues). YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/l...
TL;DR: If you've ever wondered what goes through the mind of a top-tier CISO, wonder no longer. This week's episode features Trey Ford talking a little nostalgia, and a little of what's on his mind as a CISO. Fantastic episode, shout out to BugCrowd for the episode. Youtube video: https://youtube.com/live/uFl45Tb93gY?feature=share Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=...
TL;DR: Let's talk, err, lament, Third Party Risk programs. Who has time for these, and is there any real value in identifying 3rd party risks? Or is it just all theater for the lawyers? Paul Farley joins Jim, James and Rafal to chop it up. Dive in with us, and see what you think. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/Le23nkaybfE Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-...
TL;DR: This week's episode is what happens when I go on vacation and have a little time to think. So here we go - let's talk about this Jaguar Land Rover was compromised and ransomware spread. The damage has been 'extensive' to the point where they stopped everything... are there any lessons here? Links https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/20/jaguar-land-rover-hack-factories-cybersecurity-jlrhttps://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/20/jaguar-land-rover-hack-factories-...
TL;DR: This podcast features our friend Bo Birdwell who sits down with us to explain the ins and outs of the new DFARS CMMS update. Jim and Bo cover a lot of ground, and James and I are along for the ride asking questions. Great episode if you're in the space, worrying about what this latest update means to you. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/0cl1S4f3g8E Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=...
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Worst episode ever... (Okay I haven't listened to all 400), but..
You're talking about "hacker summer camp" but you don't go. That feels off.
wow you guys need to visit defcon again. Your impressions are off