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Dev Interrupted is the go-to podcast for software engineering leadership. Each week, hosts Andrew Zigler, Ben Lloyd Pearson, and Dan Lines sit down with industry experts to explore the strategies, struggles, and stories behind high-performing software teams. Paired with weekly industry news coverage, the conversations dive deep into the real challenges that define excellence in modern tech.
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AI has successfully solved the blank page problem for developers, but it has created a massive new bottleneck downstream in the SDLC. LinearB CEO Ori Keren joins us to explain why 2026 will be a year of norming as organizations struggle to digest the flood of AI-generated code. In this annual prediction episode, he details why upstream velocity gains are being lost to chaos in reviews and testing. We also discuss why enterprises aren't ready to hand over the keys to autonomous agents and how ...
In this Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral Moltbot (now OpenClaw) phenomenon and Steve Yegge's Software Survival 3.0 essay, debating how SaaS companies can build moats in an era of token-constrained engineering. They also explore the concept of "Dark Flow" - a deceptive state where vibe coding feels productive but hides accumulated tech debt - and break down Anthropic's newly released constitution for Claude. Finally, the team discusses a Reddit user’s claim to have ported CUDA...
If you rely on complex scaffolding to build AI agents you aren't scaling you are coping. Thibault Sottiaux from OpenAI’s Codex team joins us to explain why they are ruthlessly removing the harness to solve for true agentic autonomy. We discuss the bitter lesson of vertical integration, why scalable primitives beat clever tricks, and how the rise of the super bus factor is reshaping engineering careers. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the show: Subscribe to our ...
With the Ralph loop going mainstream, how are engineering organizations utilizing it at scale? Andrew and Ben sit down with Angie Jones, VP of Engineering AI Tools and Enablement at Block, to pick her brain on how they are using the Ralph Wiggum technique to automate updates across 25,000 repos and how she is strategically preparing for Gas Town. The team also breaks down the launch of OpenAI's new GPT-5.2 Codex model before closing out the week with a look at the weirdest tech from CES, from...
Before Backstage became the industry standard for developer portals, Spotify’s engineers relied on spreadsheets to navigate their massive microservices ecosystem. Tyson Singer, Spotify’s Head of Technology and Platforms, joins us to trace the evolution of their internal developer experience from a necessity for order into the open-source giant Backstage and its new SaaS evolution, Portal. We dig into how they use golden paths to align autonomous squads and how their new AI Knowledge Assistant...
In our first-ever Friday edition, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral "Ralph Loop" phenomenon and discuss how simple bash loops and deterministic context allocation are changing the unit economics of code. They also explore Steve Yegge's chaotic "Gas Town" concept for orchestrating AI agents, debate whether AI is killing the individual contributor role, and share a laugh over a creepy link generator that challenges our trust in URLs. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Curs...
Geoffrey Huntley argues that while software development as a profession is effectively dead, software engineering is more alive—and critical—than ever before. In this episode, the creator of the viral "Ralph" agent joins us to explain how simple bash loops and deterministic context allocation are fundamentally changing the unit economics of code. We dive deep into the mechanics of managing "context rot," avoiding "compaction," and why building your own "Gas Town" of autonomous agents is the o...
Capital One operates less like a traditional bank and more like a "technology company that happens to do banking." Ameesh Paleja, EVP of Enterprise Platforms, joins the show to explain how this philosophy empowers their 14,000 technologists to innovate at the speed of a startup despite operating in a highly regulated industry. Watch: 2026 Benchmarks Insights Follow the show: Subscribe to our Substack Follow us on LinkedInSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelLeave us a ReviewFollow the hosts: ...
As the year draws to a close, the Dev Interrupted team reflects on a transformative year in engineering spanning the rise of RAG and vector databases to the emergence of agentic workflows. For the first time, we’re taking the conversation out of the booth and into the IDE. Head over to the Dev Interrupted YouTube channel to watch the team vibe code custom holiday cards and close out the year with some chaotic creativity. Watch Part 2 on the Dev Interrupted YouTube channel Follow the show: Sub...
The common narrative suggests AI will make engineering leadership obsolete, but history - and the Industrial Revolution - suggests the opposite is true. Engineering executive Manoj Mohan joins the show live from ELC to argue that as code generation costs drop, the demand for high-level judgment and strategic oversight will only skyrocket. He breaks down why leaders must stop starting with models and start with customer pain points, utilizing his "3GF" framework to manage the risks LinearB: Me...
Is your engineering team wasting budget and sacrificing latency by pre-computing data that most users never see? Chalk co-founder Elliot Marx joins Andrew Zigler to explain why the future of AI relies on real-time pipelines rather than traditional storage. They dive into solving compute challenges for major fintechs, the value of incrementalism, Elliot’s thoughts on and why strong fundamental problem-solving skills still beat specific language expertise in the age of AI assistants. Join our A...
After hitting a low point last year, developer job satisfaction is officially on the rise. Erin Yepis returns to the show to unpack the 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey, analyzing how autonomy and compensation are driving this recovery. We also cover the happiness gap between senior and junior engineers, the surprising drop in trust for AI tools, and why vibe coding is failing to catch on with professional engineers. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the show...
When you co-create Kubernetes, you earn the right to have strong opinions on the next platform shift. This week, Ben sits down with Craig McLuckie, Co-founder & CEO of Stacklok, who is advocating for a shift in leadership mindset. He argues we need to move from asking if we can use AI to demanding to know why we can’t. Listen to hear why he believes an "AI maximalist" philosophy is the only way to survive the next cycle. LinearB: Measure the impact of GitHub Copilot and Cursor Follow the ...
In the race to define the future of AI, what's the one advantage that truly lasts? It's not proprietary tech, argues Anush Elangovan, VP of AI Software at AMD, but the sustainable speed of innovation. He explains why AMD is rejecting the "walled garden" model for its open source ROCm stack, betting that an open community flywheel is the key to victory. Listen to understand how this open strategy is designed to out-innovate closed systems by empowering developers to solve everything from front...
What is "spec-driven development," and why is this structured approach the key to unlocking complex AI projects? We're joined by Amit Patel, Director of Software Development for Kiro at AWS, to explore this methodology. He explains why "vibe coding" in a chat window fails on multi-day initiatives: the AI (and the developer) loses context. Kiro solves this by turning requirements and design into a persistent, structured spec that acts as the agent's long-term memory, enabling it to maintain co...
AI is forcing engineering leaders to become part-CFO, part-governance expert, and part-business strategist. Are you ready for the shift? We're joined by Lake Dai, a globally recognized AI expert, professor at Carnegie Mellon, and founder of Sancus Ventures, to explore the new operating strategies required in an AI-first era. She explains why AI has evolved from a simple tool to a core business metric that leaders are held accountable for on earnings calls. This new reality introduces ma...
Forget top-down mandates. How do you foster organic AI adoption on a skeptical, high-performing engineering team? Loic Houssier, Head of Engineering at Superhuman, joins us to share how he did just that. He explains his strategy for overcoming cynicism, which involved leveraging a highly respected internal champion, the Chief Architect, to re-evaluate the tools and prove their potential was no longer just buzz. Discover his team's biggest, unexpected productivity gains: dramatically faster ra...
Is your company using AI to trim your budget, or to multiply your team's impact? We're joined by Matt Culver, a senior engineering leader at Super.com, to discuss why the common view of AI as a tool for cost-cutting is a misguided "accounting mindset" that ultimately destroys trust. He argues that leaders should instead see efficiency gains from AI as a powerful opportunity to reinvest in their teams. This conversation reframes the AI debate by urging leaders to look beyond the coding loop to...
With massive context windows and new agent frameworks, do vector databases still matter? Ram Sriharsha, CTO at Pinecone, joins the conversation to make the definitive case that they're more critical than ever. He explains that at the core of all AI is search, and externalizing this function is non-negotiable for security, auditability, and control. Ram offers a clear starting path for engineering leaders: begin with simple Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG) applications, but immediately imp...
Vibe coding is a developer's dream, but in the enterprise, it can be a nightmare of risk and shadow IT. So how do you saddle the 'wild horse' of modern AI development? Dan Fernandez, VP of Product Management, Developer Services at Salesforce, joins the conversation to share the answer: a new category his team is pioneering called Enterprise Vibe Coding. This discussion reveals how to move beyond flashy greenfield AI demos and build for the reality of most enterprises, where the goal is to saf...
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