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Hosted by Law Firm Growth Consultant Dan Warburton, this is the ultimate podcast for law firm owners, partners, MDs and CEOs who want to increase their profits while reducing their workload.
You'll gain real, proven industry insights into building a thriving law firm that will enable you to live the lifestyle you deserve.
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My guest today is Patrick McCann, who is the Chief Executive of the City of London Law Society, also co-CEO of City Century and co-founder of the Social Welfare Solicitors’ Qualification Fund. Patrick is well known in the London law and learning worlds, and focuses mainly on delivering strategic change projects to the betterment of the legal sector and for the benefit of those seeking to enter it. In the last three years, the projects and teams Patrick has led have won 25 national awards and ...
My guest on this episode is Natalie Abou-Alwan, a lawyer and author who has spent years studying workplace behaviour, leadership games, and career confidence. Natalie has also published a book called " How to Navigate Your Career Like a Legend. Having spent 25 years navigating male-dominated, high-pressure environments, she brings a rare insider perspective to conversations about power, resilience, and what really happens behind closed doors at work. Known for being smart, straight-talking, a...
My guest on this episode is Scott Simmons, who is renowned for turning lawyers into rainmakers. He's the co-founder of Legal Balance Institute, which is a business development, digital training and community platform for the legal profession internationally. Scott is a former lawyer and has built what he calls The BD Breakthrough Blueprint, which is a digital education course that helps lawyers overcome their fear of business development and start their journey to becoming 21st century ...
My guest today is John Andrews, a partner and head of corporate and commercial with Ronald Fletcher Baker llp, a Legal 500 firm founded in 1948. The firm has 140 employees with full service officed in the City, West End, Manchester, Exeter and, more recently, Richmond, Surrey. John’s core expertise lies in business sales and acquisitions, and in drafting, reviewing and negotiating a wide range of commercial contracts, from shareholder agreements and articles of association to joint venture ag...
My guest today is Laura Williamson, Managing Director at Taurus HR and Employment Law. Laura is an award-winning HR consultant and employment lawyer, winner of the HR Independents ‘Emerging Talent’ category in 2023, having gone from a team of 1 one in 2022 to a team of 6 people in 2026, consisting of HR professionals, lawyers and solicitors. Taurus HR and Employment Law specialise in providing affordable legal services to both employees and employers, from signing off on settlement agreements...
My guest today is Jonathan Gilmour, a Partner and Head of Derivatives & Structured Products at the highly reputable full-service London law firm called Travers Smith LLP. Jonathan acts for a broad mix of investment banks, asset managers, pension schemes, funds and corporates. Today, we're covering why law firm success lies in its people. Jonathan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-gilmour-b015a88b/ Travels Smith LLP” https://www.traverssmith.com/people/jonathan-gilmour/ Abo...
My guest today is Quentin Solt, who is an AI research and implementation expert and a lawyer. Quentin has spent his professional life helping enterprises and entrepreneurs navigate complex transactions, from leading corporate finance teams in top UK and US law firms to taking a tech company public and floating a small investment fund. He’s also worked closely with start-ups, scale-ups, and global brands, and along the way, he’s backed purpose-driven ventures that align business with deeper hu...
My next guest is Mike Leeman, Managing Partner at Bell Lamb & Joynson Solicitors, an award‑winning law firm with a 204‑year heritage and offices across Liverpool, Runcorn, Maghull, Warrington and Ashton‑in‑Makerfield. Mike is committed to leading the strategy behind the firm's growth while maintaining operational excellence and keeping client care front and centre. Under his stewardship, the firm continues to modernise service delivery, and since becoming Managing Partner in 2019, he has ...
My guest today is Mel Kang, the founder and Board member of Mezzle, a law firm built for the more entrepreneurial lawyer who embraces legal tech and the modern ways of working, rather than the often outdated and slow traditional ways. Mezzle offers time, location and financial freedom to lawyers wishing to join one of the fastest-growing law firms in the U.K. He’s also a Co-founder of Orange7, which is on a mission to build a legal AI company ready for today’s AI world. Its aim is to help law...
Joining us today is Felix Riley, a keynote speaker and strategist, whose talk, 'Lawyers vs. The Machine,' has been sparking conversation across the legal sector. He’s a former City trader and successful entrepreneur turned business strategist and creativity expert, helping law firms prepare their people for the coming age of AI. With a background spanning finance, writing for the BBC, publishing thrillers with Penguin and copper mining in Zambia, Felix brings a unique mix of experience and vi...
My next guest is Olha Bodnar, the founder of Ethos Leads, who has spent over 10 years in legal marketing across Canada, the U.S., and Europe. She helps law firm owners use brain-based, ethical messaging to win more right-fit clients. On this episode, we're covering the 6-step neuromarketing sequence that law firm owners can use to turn overwhelmed prospects into retained clients. Resources for law firm growth: https://ethosleads.com/resources Connect on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ol...
My guest today is Adam Strong, who helps M&A teams build a 'strategic exit advisory' function that they can add to their usual suite of legal services. It’s a framework that transforms a law firm from a late-stage legal service provider into an early-stage strategic partner. Adam also hosts the Business Strategist podcast that receives over 4000 downloads a month. Adam is also the best-selling author of Play the Game and two books, and is known for increasing law firm revenue and market s...
My guest today is Dana Denis-Smith, who has been awarded an OBE, which is a recognition of an Officer of the Order of the British Empire. It’s a prestigious British honour and is the second-highest rank in the Order of the British Empire. Dana is a prominent legal sector leader, serving as CEO of Obelisk Support and founder of the First 100 Years campaign. Dana founded Obelisk Support in 2010, providing flexible legal solutions for clients. The First 100 Years campaign, launched in 2014, led ...
My guest today is Philip Devenish, a partner at Jones Day, which has offices in Dubai & London. Philip dedicates his practice to dispute resolution and is renowned for resolving the most challenging, complex, and high-value international disputes. Over the past eight years, he has won or settled more than 95 per cent of his cases, with only one loss in over 8 years. Philip has obtained billions of dollars for global corporations and financial institutions in some of the largest cross-bord...
My guest today is Michael Burne, the founder of Carbon and Bamboo.He qualified as a solicitor in 1995 and, since 2010, has been challenging the way things are done in the legal sector. Michael has experience from City law firms, a listed professional services business, and has led large-scale merger, acquisition and integration projects over the last 25 years. He also recently launched a new Charity, Pioneer 7R, and is a director of a cricket club, which is also run as a charity. In today’s e...
My guest today is the renowned David Burns, an equity partner at Ronald Fletcher Baker LLP, listed as a ‘leading Partner’ in the Legal 500 for corporate occupiers, and recommended for property litigation and commercial litigation. The firm was founded in 1948 and now has around 140 employees, walk-in offices in Baker Street, Old Street, Exeter and Manchester, and some new offices opening soon. On today’s episode, what we’re covering are the secrets to client trust and building a thriving cult...
Today I have one switched-on lady with me, Etiosa Agbonlahor Etinosa is a behavioural economist and CEO of Decision Alpha, a behavioural pricing firm that helps businesses, including law firms, improve pricing for growth, traction, and stronger perceived value. Etinosa is passionate about helping people live healthier financial lives, she brings over a decade of experience working across the U.S., Australia, Africa, and the U.K.—shaping pricing, engagement, and customer behavior strategy for ...
My guest today is the one and only James Chadburn. James is the Managing Partner at Dean Wilson LLP, which is a full-service law firm based in Brighton with over 120 employees. James has been Managing Partner at Dean Wilson for three and a half years, having made the transition from a role as a fee-earning corporate partner. In this episode, we’re covering how law firms can use AI to scale and serve better without losing the soul of their practice. Here’s a link to Dean Wilson LLP: https://de...
My guest today is none other than Liz Smith, a charismatic lady who is the Head of Talent at Bamboo Platform, which provides a centralised operational support to a group of legal businesses. One of those is Carbon Law Partners, a consultancy law firm. Through her work at Carbon, she helps lawyers step away from the structure they’ve always known and build something that gives them more freedom, control, and balance. She knows that moving from a firm to self-employment is a big emotional shift...
My next guest is the great Eliot Hibbert, the founder and CEO of Nexa Law Limited. Nexa is a new model law firm established in 2017 and now has over 175 lawyers operating as consultants and over 300 people now using their Leap case managment. Today, what we’re covering is The New Law Model That’s Crushing Competition To find out more about nexa click here: https://nexa.law/ About Dan: Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £3M or more to invest in, so if you are interested i...
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