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Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.
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Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Sharon Miller sits down with Glenn Packiam and worship pastors Luke and Anna Hellebronth to explore the relationship between senior pastors and worship leaders and why it matters for a healthy church. Drawing from their experience at Rockharbor Church, they discuss how trust, alignment, and shared vision shape both services and culture. They offer practical insight into planning, navigating creative tension, and partnering in leadership. This conversation equ...
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with pastor and author Jay Kim to explore how church leaders can navigate technology and AI with wisdom and clarity. Drawing on ministry experience in Silicon Valley, Jay reflects on how digital tools can serve as a “front door” for connection while still pointing people toward embodied spiritual formation and community. Together they discuss how pastors can embrace innovation without losing the irreplaceable power of human presence in...
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller explore what it looks like to lead well with your board of elders. Drawing from personal experience and Barna insights, they discuss alignment, shared authority, healthy accountability and the spiritual rhythms that shape strong pastor–elder relationships. Whether you’re planting a church or strengthening an existing leadership team, this conversation offers practical wisdom for cultivating trust, clarity a...
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Edgar Sandoval, president and CEO of World Vision, to explore what it means to lead through change while staying grounded in mission. Drawing from his experience navigating organizational disruption and global humanitarian challenges, Edgar reflects on steady leadership, spiritual resilience, and the practices that sustain leaders under pressure. The conversation also highlights the impact of global missions and how churches can p...
Send us Fan Mail Rich Villodas sits down with Tyler and Kirsten Staton for a candid conversation about staying connected in marriage while navigating the demands and transitions of ministry life. They reflect on communication, emotional safety, and vulnerability between spouses, as well as the importance of recognizing and honoring one another’s spiritual gifts. The conversation also explores simple, sustainable approaches to prayer and what faithfulness looks like for couples walking through...
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Rich Villodas joins pastors Gabe and Jeanette Salguero to discuss what it means to pastor families in today’s church with greater awareness and care. Drawing on decades of pastoral leadership experience and insights from Barna research, the conversation explores the changing realities shaping modern family life. Together, they examine how pastors and church leaders can lead with presence, listen well to families’ needs, and develop family ministries tha...
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Rich Villodas, Glenn Packiam, and Sharon Hodde Miller join Barna CEO David Kinnaman to unpack new research on pastoral relationships. The conversation explores the tension between strong marriages and relational loneliness, and why friendship, spiritual direction, and community are essential for long-term pastoral resilience. Download Parenting the Open Generation at worldvision.org/resilient26Get your own copy of new Barna report, The Relationships of Tod...
Send us Fan Mail Sharon Hodde Miller sits down with Bryan Loritts to discuss the future of preaching and why knowing your congregation is essential for faithful communication. They talk about navigating justice topics with biblical grounding, speaking into cultural pressure with integrity, and maintaining credibility in a skeptical age. Bryan also weighs in on the opportunities and limits of AI in sermon preparation. Text BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELA...
Send us Fan Mail Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas, and Sharon Hodde Miller explore how pastors can disciple their churches toward worshipful, year-round generosity rooted in trust and vision. Framed by Barna research, they discuss how to cultivate healthy giving cultures, build trust with congregants, and wisely guide churches through year-end giving seasons and large capital campaigns. Text BARNA to 55123 to get your free Mission-Based Budgeting guide from BELAY, helping pastors and churches thr...
Send us Fan Mail Barna’s newest research reveals a stunning reversal: for the first time in decades, men are attending church more than women. Host Rich Villodas sits down with David Kinnaman and Ashley LaLonde from Barna to unpack what’s driving this shift and what it means for pastors and leaders. From purity culture to politics, Gen Z to single moms, this conversation offers both empathy and practical insight for churches navigating today’s changing spiritual landscape. Episode Links Text ...
Send us Fan Mail Sharon Hodde Miller talks with Nona Jones about how rejection can shape your purpose and strengthen your ministry. Drawing from her own experiences in leadership, Nona shares how pastors can process hurt, set healthy expectations in relationships and stay resilient in the face of challenges. Episode Links Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-what-matters.Check out Nona Jones's book, The Gift of Rejection, wher...
Send us Fan Mail Rich Villodas talks with Jackie Hill Perry and Preston Perry about navigating the pull of technology, setting healthy family rhythms and keeping their marriage strong in the midst of ministry demands. They share honest insights on creating space for connection, managing digital distractions and trusting God with the pressures of parenting and leadership. Episode Links Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at Barna.com/measuring-what-...
Send us Fan Mail Sharon Hodde Miller talks with Robby Angle about relational discipleship, building small groups that foster real growth and why changing church culture takes time. They explore practical steps for investing in leaders, cultivating meaningful relationships and trusting God with the slow but lasting work of discipleship. Episode Links Learn how RightNow Pastors Plus equips ministry leaders with on-demand training at rnow.me/plus.Check out True Face for resources on rela...
Send us Fan Mail Rich Villodas talks with Tyler Staton about helping people experience God in meaningful ways. They explore practical steps for creating space for the Holy Spirit, how to pastor in a spiritually open culture and why awakening desire is key to connecting with today's generation. Tyler also shares insights on preaching, prayer and learning to lead with courage. Episode Links Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-w...
Send us Fan Mail Glenn Packiam sits down with Dr. Daniel Muvengi (from World Vision International) to discuss the challenges pastors in Kenya are navigating, the pressures of parenting in ministry and how the Church is working to strengthen families. They also explore ways that churches in the West can learn from the resilience and perspectives of the global church. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Get World Vision’s free resource on parenting: Parenting the ...
Send us Fan Mail David Kinnaman sits down with Lisa Fields, founder and CEO of the Jude 3 Project, to discuss how pastors can disciple people through doubt, deconstruction and spiritual disappointment. She shares practical wisdom on listening well, fostering spiritual healing and leading from a place of emotional health. Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller open the conversation by reflecting on the realities of deconstruction in their own ministry contexts, the importance of ...
Send us Fan Mail Rich Villodas sits down with Jennie Allen, founder of IF:Gathering and Gather25, to talk about mobilizing the global church and discipling the next generation. Jennie describes the growing spiritual hunger she’s witnessing across the world, how pastors can help their churches connect with the global movement of God, and why now is the time for believers everywhere to unite in prayer, worship and mission. She also shares the vision behind Gather25, a 25-hour global event that ...
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Jay Kim, lead pastor of WestGate Church in Silicon Valley, to discuss how to cultivate healthy teams in ministry. Jay shares actionable insights on fostering trust, navigating generational shifts in team dynamics and implementing consistent feedback loops to support growth and alignment for church teams. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Sign up for the free State of the Church 2025 webcast at StateoftheC...
Send us Fan Mail Glenn Packiam sits down with Shaila Visser, National Director of Alpha Canada and Dan Blythe, Global Youth Director for Alpha, to explore how pastors and church leaders can reimagine evangelism in today’s cultural landscape. Together, they share key findings from The Open Generation research and the creation of the Youth Alpha film series, offering practical insights on fostering intergenerational ministry, empowering young leaders and creating authentic spaces for faith expl...
Send us Fan Mail Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for a special live recording of The Resilient Pastor podcast as they explore the unique challenges ministry places on marriages. Together, they share practical insights, actionable steps and key strategies to help leaders safeguard their relationships and overcome common hurdles. Whether you're looking to strengthen your partnership or connect with others navigating similar challenges, this episode offers valuable wisd...
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