The Marketing Companion

Dan Nestle, founder of Lilypath, joins Sandy Carter on The Marketing Companion to unpack a shift most professionals have not noticed yet. AI systems are now interpreting, ranking, and recommending people before any human ever clicks a profile. Dan calls this Authority Intelligence, a new category he built Lilypath to define. Inside the episode, Dan and Sandy cover the Gemini Deep Research moment that exposed how badly AI can misread a real expert, why LinkedIn has quietly become the number one cited domain for professional queries across six major AI platforms (per Profound, LinkedIn, and Semrush data), and what "broken" looks like when your authority signal is off: silent inboxes, irrelevant pitches, recruiters missing you, RFPs going to competitors, and a stranger suddenly getting credit for ideas you have championed for years. Dan also shares the one concrete action every senior leader should take this week to fix how AI reads them, plus a Lilypath discount for listeners. Use code COMPANION20 at checkout. Brought to you by Semrush, the platform powering the search and AI visibility data behind this conversation, and Brevo, the all-in-one CRM and marketing platform helping growing teams turn authority into pipeline.   00:00:05 - Welcome and Sponsor Mentions 00:00:54 - Guest Introduction: Dan's Early Career in Japan 00:01:57 - Dan's Career Evolution and the Founding of Lily Path 00:05:47 - Introducing Lily Path and Authority Intelligence 00:07:23 - The Genesis of Lily Path: Optimizing for AI Interpretation 00:12:42 - The New Era: Domain Knowledge vs. Coding with AI 00:16:06 - Authority Intelligence: Taking Control of Your AI Narrative 00:21:23 - LinkedIn's Evolved Role as AI's Professional Truth Source 00:27:17 - Maintaining Human Relevance & Actionable Steps for Professionals 00:36:06 - Special Offer, Conclusion, and Contact Information

If your ads are being skipped, your emails are going unread, and your campaigns are blending into the noise, this episode is your wake-up call. What do Disney, a pool full of sprinkles, the United Nations, and the world's first AI film at Tribeca Film Festival have in common? Michaela Ternasky-Holland. And every single one of those experiences holds a lesson for how you market your brand. Michaela is an award-winning immersive experience director and film producer whose work has transported audiences across some of the most iconic and unexpected stages on the planet. She helped bring the legendary Museum of Ice Cream Sprinkle Pool to life. She has created experiences for Disney and Meta. She has worked with the United Nations on some of the most emotionally charged storytelling on earth. And then she walked into Tribeca Film Festival and made history as one of the first directors to premiere a film made with OpenAI's Sora. She is not just watching the future of marketing evolve. She is building it. In this episode of The Marketing Companion, Michaela introduces her concept of compassionate storytelling, an ethical framework that builds genuine trust rather than manufactured impressions. We talk about why the scroll is broken, what generative AI actually unlocks for creative teams, how to make the ROI case for experiential campaigns, and the single principle every marketer can steal from immersive design and apply tomorrow. This is the episode that changes how you think about what marketing can actually do.

What happens when marketing moves beyond campaigns and becomes experience, emotion, and intelligence (AI) combined? In this episode, I sit down with Kenny Lauer, one of the most dynamic leaders in modern marketing. From early roles at Apple and KPMG to leading global digital experiences at George P. Johnson, serving as VP of Marketing for the Golden State Warriors during their championship era, and now shaping immersive sound-driven experiences at Meyer Sound, Kenny's career sits at the intersection of technology, storytelling, sports, and live experience design. We unpack how marketing has evolved from messaging to moment-making, and why the next era will be defined by AI as a teammate, not just a tool. Inside this episode, we explore: • The throughline behind Kenny's career across tech, sports, and global brand experiences • How marketing is shifting from campaigns to end-to-end experiences • Lessons from the Golden State Warriors during one of the most iconic runs in NBA history • What global markets like Japan teach us about culture-first marketing • A real marketing "war story" and the lessons every leader should learn • The top 3 takeaways from SXSW 2026 every marketer needs to act on now • What the future looks like when AI becomes your teammate, not your tool This conversation is a masterclass in experiential marketing, brand strategy, digital transformation, and AI-driven marketing innovation. If you are a CMO, founder, marketer, or builder trying to understand where marketing is going next, this episode will give you both the strategic lens and practical insights to stay ahead. The bottom line: Marketing is no longer about what you say. It is about what people feel, experience, and now… what intelligent systems can co-create with you.

She built a 75,000+ member community. Then she shut it down. What she did next reveals the 5 secrets every community builder needs to know. Dana Malstaff turned Boss Mom from a book into one of the most recognized community brands online, growing a massive movement of entrepreneurs and mothers who refuse to choose between ambition and family. In this episode, Dana shares 5 community building secrets that most people will never figure out on their own: the real spark that starts a movement, why nurturing always beats selling, the bold truth about paid vs. free communities, how to become "micro famous" before launching anything, and an "emotional niching" strategy that completely redefines who your audience really is. If you've ever wondered why some communities thrive while others fade, this is the episode that will change everything.

Should you be first or a fast follower? Digital pioneer Mark Schaefer breaks down 3 critical rules for marketers navigating AI and discusses why the 85% solution isn't good enough.      

OpenClaw is the hottest open source AI agent in marketing and in this episode Shawn Reddy from Cliqk pulls back the curtain. He walks us through the OpenClaw dashboard live, demonstrates social media scraping in action and shows the complete setup process so you can see exactly what it takes to get started. This isn't another episode about AI theory. Shawn shows us the real marketing use cases working today including social monitoring, content research and cross platform automation across Gmail, Slack and LinkedIn. You'll see the dashboard, watch social media scraping pull real time insights and understand what the setup looks like from start to finish. Then we confront the security risks head on. Wiz discovered Moltbook exposed 1.5 million API keys. Malicious plugins are exfiltrating private files. Prompt injection attacks are real. If you're handing an AI agent your credentials you need to hear this conversation. We also explore persistent AI memory for personalization at scale, Moltbook's 770,000+ agents and whether agent to agent interaction changes marketing forever, and the governance frameworks brands need before letting agents act on their behalf.

One of the Top Marketing Trends in 2026.  AI search is about to overtake traditional search by 2028, and the implications for marketers are massive. In this episode, Sandy Carter sits down with content strategy expert Andy Crestodina to unpack the rise of GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) and why it is radically different from the SEO we all know. You'll hear why AI-generated recommendations convert at higher rates, and how brands can train AI to choose them as the preferred answer, and most importantly, a Hack to start making progress for your brand today!

Marketing is scaling faster than humans can adapt—and most leaders are underestimating the shift. In this conversation with Sandy Carter, Ray Wang, CEO and founder of Constellation Research, and Liz Miller, former leader of the CMO council, and analyst at Constellation Research, reveal what's changed in just two years: AI agents embedded in org charts, accountability rising as decisions digitize, and why selling to humans still demands trust, authenticity, and reputation. From boardroom blind spots to the death of long-held marketing myths, this episode is a roadmap for leaders preparing for 2026.

In his final episode as host of The Marketing Companion, Mark Schaefer reflects on the story of a show that beat the odds. This episode has the ups, the downs, and funniest moments from 13 years of the world's most entertaining podcast. 

Sure, we want our marketing to connect with customers in a human and emotional way. But maybe a bigger short-term win is a humane approach that provides people with the help they need as quickly and effortlessly as possible. And that might be the perfect role for AI. Mark Schaefer and Mathew Sweezey talk about this important role and the emphasis on humane versus human.

Jay Acunzo and Mark Schaefer discuss their success in sustaining their personal content production for years, even decades. They discuss their mindset and strategies of incorporating a content lifestyle and beating the odds.   Mark Schaefer is a strategy consultant, college educator, keynote speaker, and the author of 10 books including "KNOWN," "Belonging to the Brand," and "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World." His annual marketing retreat is The Uprising.   For more of Mark's insights every week, subcribe to his award-winning blog. Mark also offers classes in personal branding and professional speaking.     Jay Acunzo consults experts and entrepreneurs to differentiate their messages and content. He hosts the podcast How Stories Happen, where guests dissect signature stories piece by piece. Learn more at jayacunzo.com

Mark Schaefer begins the show with a significant announcement about the future of The Marketing Companion. Co-host Sandy Carter kicks off a discussion about how Deep Fakes are overwhelming even the most famous brands and company leaders. Mark and Sandy also cover the impact of AI speed on marketing, the rise of the humanoids and more.   Mark Schaefer is a strategy consultant, college educator, keynote speaker, and the author of 10 books including "KNOWN," "Belonging to the Brand," and "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World." His annual marketing retreat is The Uprising. For more of Mark's insights every week, subscribe to his award-winning blog. Mark also offers classes in personal branding and professional speaking.     Sandy Carter is COO of Unstoppable Domains and has held marketing leadership positions at IBM and AWS. She is the author of AI First, Human Always.

Let's put AI on the corner of a moment and remind ourselves of the OG marketing ideas that still make sense. In this episode, Mark Schaefer and Andy Crestodina talk about the enduring need for strong branding, live events, and sex (you'll just have to hear the whole story!).    Mark Schaefer is a strategy consultant, college educator, keynote speaker, and the author of 10 books including "KNOWN," "Belonging to the Brand," and "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World." His annual marketing retreat is The Uprising.   For more of Mark's insights every week, subcribe to his award-winning blog. Mark also offers classes in personal branding and professional speaking.   Andy Crestodina is CMO and Co-Founder of Orbit Media, an award-winning 55-person digital agency. He has 23_ years of experience in analytics, SEO, content strategy and visitor psychology ...and months of experience in AI.   Andy has applied his expertise in SEO and conversions to drive both visibility and lead generation for 1000+ businesses since 2001.

Special guest Ethan Pierse argues that AI isn't just for developers or technical founders. Instead, non-technical but entrepreneurial folks can now build tech products without deep coding skills. AI is breaking down traditional barriers and letting more people "create their own future."   This is the age of the AI Solopreneur and in this episode, Ethan spells out his vision, as well discussing the economics of AI, the future of Web3, and more. 

Mark Schaefer and Dana Malstaff discuss how they are utilizing AI in distinct ways to attract new customers. Mark built an expert-trained model called MarkBot that is informed by his life's work. This is available to all through his website.   Dana has created custom bots that encourage top-of-funnel engagement for her business while blending human connection that builds trust.    This episode is an inspiring and engaging discussion on breakthrough ideas to connect to customers by blending AI and the human touch.    Mark Schaefer is a strategy consultant, college educator, keynote speaker, and the author of 10 books including "KNOWN," "Belonging to the Brand," and "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World." His annual marketing retreat is The Uprising.   For more of Mark's insights every week, subscribe to his award-winning blog. Mark also offers classes in personal branding and professional speaking.   Dana Malstaff is an author, speaker, consultant, and the founder of Boss Mom.

A new research report shows how AI is re-wiring our customers — literally changing their psychology and buying habits. In this episode, Mark Schaefer previews a new book and explores what happens when humans offload their thinking to a machine.

One of the most urgent and interesting questions in business today: How does AI affect the sales process? From product discovery to referrals and recommendations, AI is making its way into customers' hearts and minds. Whether B2B or B2C, the implications are enormous.   Marketing legend Sandy Carter joins the Marketing Companion to explore these new commercial realities. What is the new role of brand, trust, and human relationships in the commercial process?

Mark Schaefer has a new grandchild. Amanda Russell has a toddler. Both of them wonder what an AI-dominant world has in store for them.    In this personal and introspective episode, Mark and Amanda reflect on what college meant to their careers, the advice they would give to kids about college today, and how education will need to change for Gen Alpha.    This is an essential episode for everyone wondering how AI will impact the next generation.   Mark Schaefer is a strategy consultant, college educator, keynote speaker, and the author of 10 books including "KNOWN," "Belonging to the Brand," and "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World." His annual marketing retreat is The Uprising.   For more of Mark's insights every week, subcribe to his award-winning blog. Mark also offers classes in personal branding and professional speaking.      Amanda Russell is a marketing leader, entrepreneur, and scholar. By age 32, she built and sold two successful businesses: an online fitness subscription community for women and a digital marketing and production company. She served as Chief Marketing Officer at a NYC-based portfolio fund and developed the world's first accredited MBA & EMBA Influencer Marketing programs at Northwestern University. She also founded the Global Center for Influence at the University of Texas. Amanda has taught at renowned institutions such as Bocconi University, London Business School, Harvard, Wharton, HEC Paris, NYU, and the University of Stockholm. Her book, "The Influencer Code," explores influence, consumer behavior, and the future of marketing. Amanda advises major companies, including Lamborghini, Cedars-Sinai, Lionsgate, and Silk-FAW.  

As use of AI soars and customers place more trust in AI, the bots are making decisions for our customers. From vacations to recipes, we're using AI in creative ways to make our lives easier and skip the time to analyze options. But how does AI make the decision? The platforms are getting their information from somewhere. What is the role of traditional content and marketing? The answer will surprise you. In this far-reaching show, Mark Schaefer and Andy Crestodina explore new research on how AI makes decisions and what matters. This episode also contains extraordinary bonus content.   Mark Schaefer is a strategy consultant, college educator, keynote speaker, and the author of 10 books including "KNOWN," "Belonging to the Brand," and "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World." His annual marketing retreat is The Uprising.   For more of Mark's insights every week, subscribe to his award-winning blog. Mark also offers classes in personal branding and professional speaking.   Andy Crestodina is CMO and Co-Founder of Orbit Media, an award-winning 55-person digital agency. He has 23_ years of experience in analytics, SEO, content strategy and visitor psychology ...and months of experience in AI.   Andy has applied his expertise in SEO and conversions to drive both visibility and lead generation for 1000+ businesses since 2001.

Gini Dietrich is a well-known thought leader, author, and entrepreneur in the corporate communications space. Her PESO marketing framework has become a standard framework for PR and marketing professionals. In this episode, Mark Schaefer's special guest host talks about how the model has evolved in an era where consumer attention "acts differently." She also discusses how she is aggressively integrating AI in her client relations practices.