Money School Podcast

Most investors believe that holding cash during uncertain markets is the safest move. If you stay liquid, wait for clarity, and avoid risk, you'll be in a better position when opportunities come… or at least that's the thinking. But what many high-income earners and investors don't realize is that cash sitting idle isn't neutral; it's losing ground. Between inflation, taxes, and missed opportunities, capital that isn't deployed is quietly working against you. And while many investors are pulling back, the most sophisticated capital, family offices, institutions, and sovereign funds, are doing the opposite. They're moving into hard assets. In this episode of Money School Elite, I sit down with Ben Reinberg, CEO of Alliance Consolidated Group of Companies and a commercial real estate investor who has built a $500M+ portfolio from scratch, to break down how experienced operators think about capital in uncertain environments. In this conversation, we discuss why holding cash can actually erode wealth instead of protecting it, how the ability to hold through market cycles creates asymmetric opportunities, and why forced sellers are beginning to create some of the best buying conditions we've seen in years. We also break down an often-overlooked asset class, medical property, and why its demand profile makes it one of the most durable plays in real estate, even during periods of economic disruption.   About the Guest  Ben Reinberg is an iconic investor, mentor, educator, and philanthropist, CEO of Alliance Consolidated Group of Companies, and the author of "Hard Assets and Hard Money for Hard Times: A Blueprint to Build a Hard Asset Empire That Can Withstand Every Economic Cycle". Ben built a $500M+ Commercial Real Estate empire from scratch with billions in transactions. He is a respected authority on commercial real estate acquisition and investment, as well as the development and structuring of transactions. He is well-versed in 1031 exchanges and assessing the needs of investment capital. Ben brings value to the deal process through his ability to build trust quickly, raise equity efficiently, solve problems, and bridge the gap between buyers and sellers. Ben has authored and published numerous articles about the trade. Before establishing Alliance, Ben founded Hillcrest Trading, Ltd., a national acquisition and management firm. He began acquiring commercial real estate assets in the 1990s. His professional affiliations include the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA), the Illinois Society of Certified Public Accountants (ICPA), the Urban Land Institute (ULI), and the International Council of Shopping Centers (ICSC). He is also a Charter Member of the International Association of Commercial Real Estate Professionals. To learn more, visit https://www.alliancecgc.com/ or https://www.benreinberg.com/.  Buy "Hard Assets and Hard Money for Hard Times: A Blueprint to Build a Hard Asset Empire That Can Withstand Every Economic Cycle" here.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Private Money Guide:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast    

Many real estate investors believe success comes down to one thing: access to capital. If you can borrow money easily, scale quickly, and leverage aggressively, the thinking goes that your portfolio will grow faster. But what a lot of investors are learning right now is that capital alone doesn't create successful deals. Structure does. In today's lending environment, small mistakes in leverage, underwriting, or financing strategy can turn what looked like a solid deal into a long-term problem. And many investors don't realize where those risks actually show up until after the transaction is already done. In this episode of Money School Elite, I sit down with Jonathan Yoo, co-founder and CEO of Convoy Home Loans, to unpack what's really happening inside the lending market right now. Jonathan and his team work with thousands of investors across the country, helping them structure financing for real estate deals and navigate the changing landscape of lending products. In this conversation, we break down several important realities that experienced investors understand, but many newer operators overlook. We discuss why DSCR loans have become such an important financing tool for real estate investors, how over-leverage is quietly creating the next wave of defaults, and why the biggest risks in real estate often appear after the deal is already closed. We also talk about a topic many investors misunderstand: what actually controls mortgage rates, and why the bond market matters far more than the Federal Reserve when it comes to long-term real estate financing. About the Guest  Jonathan Yoo is the co-founder and COO of Convoy Home Loans, Inc. Convoy Home Loans is one of the top DSCR lenders in the United States. They are best known for building a $1B+ national real estate investment lending platform in under four years without outside capital or a bank charter, helping thousands of everyday investors access non-traditional financing to scale cash-flowing real estate portfolios. To learn more, https://convoyhomeloans.com/. You can also download the Convoy Home Loans App to apply.  Apple App Store Google Play Store   About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Private Money Guide:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast    

For a long time, truly personalized investment advice has been something only the ultra-wealthy could access. If you have tens of millions of dollars, you can hire advisors who don't just sell you products. They build strategies around your entire financial life. But everyone else gets standardized portfolios and is told to keep contributing to their retirement accounts and stay the course. That's starting to change. A new approach to financial advice is emerging, one built around a fee-for-service strategy instead of product sales. Instead of paying someone based on how much money they manage or what investments they sell you, investors can now pay directly for expertise, planning, and financial architecture. That means for the first time, the level of thinking that was mostly reserved for high-net-worth investors is now available to everyday investors who want a more strategic approach to building wealth. In this episode, investment advisor and fractional CEO, COO, and CRO Stefan Astheimer joins me to talk about how this model works, why the traditional advisory system is evolving, and how investors who understand this shift may gain a serious edge.   Things You'll Learn In This Episode  Most financial advice was never designed to be personal For decades, financial advisors were paid based on products sold or assets managed. But if your advisor's incentives shape the advice you get, how personalized can that advice really be? The edge for everyday investors Could separating advice from product sales finally give ordinary investors access to the kind of guidance the wealthy get? Paying off debt or building wealth first Many people assume eliminating debt should always come before investing. But when interest rates, tax advantages, and opportunity costs come into play, how do you decide which move actually builds wealth faster? AI makes great financial advisors more valuable, not less Many people assume AI will replace advisors. But what if technology actually increases the demand for high-level strategic guidance?   Disclaimer This content is for educational purposes only and is not investment advice. No specific recommendations are being made. Please consult a qualified financial professional before making any investment decisions.   This webinar is for educational and informational purposes only. Any discussion of strategies reflects general concepts and examples based on the speakers' own experience and perspectives, not personalized investment advice. Forward-looking statements, illustrations, or examples are not guarantees of future results. All investments involve risk, and results may vary. Viewers should consult their own qualified advisor before making any financial decisions. Investing involves risk, including the potential loss of principal. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Additional information about PMC Wealth, LLC is available in its Form ADV, which is available upon request or by visiting www.adviserinfo.sec.gov. The 'Inverse Cramer' ETF referenced in this discussion previously existed but has since been closed. This mention is for illustrative purposes only and is not a recommendation.    Guest Bio Stefan Astheimer is a fractional CEO, COO, and CRO who works with founder-led and regulated businesses to turn growth into something more structured, scalable, and commercially effective. He specializes in revenue expansion, operating strategy, and transaction readiness, helping companies strengthen performance while building long-term enterprise value. Stefan studied applied mathematics at Yale and has deep experience across wealth management, advisory, insurance, and other financial services environments where complexity is high and execution matters. To learn more, visit https://pmcwealthadvisors.com/    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Private Money Guide:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast    

Starting a business is often framed as a simple equation: have a good idea, take it to the bank, and secure the funding. But the reality is very different. Most business owners aren't rejected because their idea is bad. They're rejected because they approached the capital the wrong way. So many deals fail before they ever reach underwriting, and it's not because of the opportunity. It's preparation, structure, and understanding how lenders evaluate risk. Banks aren't investors looking for the next big idea. They operate under strict guidelines, regulatory frameworks, and underwriting criteria that determine whether a deal can even move forward. And most entrepreneurs walk into the process without understanding those rules. In this episode of Money School Elite, I sit down with Sebastien Boyer, known as "The Approved Guy," to break down what actually happens inside the lending process when someone applies for a business loan.  In this conversation, we unpack several key realities that experienced operators understand, but many first-time entrepreneurs miss.  We discuss why banks care more about the borrower's financial stability than the business idea itself. We also talk about how to get a deal to survive the approval process.   About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Private Money Guide:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast    

Every athlete knows the music will eventually stop. Whether you walk away on your terms, are forced out by injury, or have a contract that doesn't get renewed, your career will inevitably end. In leagues like the NFL, NBA, or MLB, that ending can still leave you financially set. You might walk away with generational money. In action sports, that's rarely the case. A pro snowboarder can start earning real money in their teens. They can travel the world, land major sponsors, build a name, and live what looks like a dream career. But very few retire with enough money to last a lifetime. The earning window is short, the contracts are volatile, and the industry replaces you faster than you expect. What should athletes be doing during their earning years to avoid starting over financially at 30? Stevie Bell's snowboarding career is nothing short of meteoric. Starting from riding the bus two hours a day to Brighton as a laser-focused teenager, then landing a breakout video part just two years into riding, he went from unknown kid to signing a life-changing contract with one of the most iconic brands in snowboarding.  From managing fear on handrails that could end a career, to navigating brand politics when Forum was shut down, to walking away from the sport and rebuilding his identity after the checks stopped coming. His story is a masterclass in how quickly momentum can build and how quickly it can disappear. Stevie shares his career arc with me. We talk about how quickly money can scale, how quickly it can disappear, why most riders walk away with nothing, and how financial literacy becomes a competitive advantage when the career clock is ticking.   Things You'll Learn In This Episode  The moment every career ends, and why most people aren't ready- Whether it's injury, burnout, or a contract that isn't renewed, the music eventually stops. How do you prepare financially and psychologically for an ending you can't control? Fear as a strategic advantage- Top riders don't eliminate fear; they manage it. What does calculated risk look like when the downside is career-ending, and how does that translate to business and investing? The evolution of the industry- With airbags, Olympic pipelines, social media, and corporate sponsors, snowboarding has gone mainstream. Does more visibility actually mean more sustainable opportunity? Win or build: the new income model- If salary-based sponsorship is shrinking, and only a few athletes win consistently, how should modern athletes think about brand, leverage, and long-term income beyond competition? Guest Bio Stevie Bell is a former professional snowboarder and industry veteran with over 25 years of experience in action sports. He built a 14-year professional career after breaking onto the scene with a breakout video part just two years into snowboarding, eventually signing with Forum, one of the most iconic brands in the sport's history. During his tenure with Forum, Stevie traveled internationally filming video projects, participating in global tours, and contributing to one of the most influential eras in snowboard media. His career spanned major brand partnerships, long-term sponsorship contracts, and firsthand exposure to the evolving economics of action sports, from athlete compensation structures to the impact of corporate acquisitions and industry consolidation. After stepping away from professional competition, Stevie transitioned into entrepreneurship and content creation. He is currently the host of the Forum Chronicles podcast, where he documents the 20-year history of Forum and interviews key figures who shaped the brand and broader snowboard culture. To learn more or find out about the podcast, follow @steviebell801.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Private Money Guide:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/book-podcast Wealth Wednesday Webinar: https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar-podcast Mapping out the Millionaire Mystery:  https://go.moneyschoolrei.com/newbook-podcast    

In today's market, AI valuations are expanding faster than fundamentals can justify. Companies with minimal free cash flow are being priced as if dominance is already secured.  Capital continues to circulate between venture portfolios, strategic partners, and ecosystem incumbents, reinforcing growth narratives that assume liquidity remains abundant. But markets don't reward narratives forever. When growth slows or capital tightens, the question shifts from projected upside to structural durability. Does the business generate real cash? Does it control proprietary data that compounds value? Is it positioned to be acquired or forced to sell? This is where discipline separates operators from spectators. Daniel Nikic has spent years operating inside early-stage capital markets, studying transaction patterns, portfolio structures, and acquisition behavior. From that vantage point, valuation is less about headlines and more about capital flows, strategic adjacency, and who holds liquidity when cycles turn. In this episode, we look beneath the surface of today's AI enthusiasm to examine what actually drives valuation, how smart founders reverse-engineer an exit, and why companies entering a slowdown with balance sheet strength don't just survive, they consolidate.   About the Guest  Daniel Nikic is an investment research professional and entrepreneur dedicated to delivering tailored insights and strategic solutions. With over two decades of experience, Daniel has built a career dedicated to empowering investors and businesses with actionable insights. Born and raised in Canada, He earned a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration from Brock University, where his passion for market dynamics and financial analysis began to take shape. ​As the founder of Cohres, a boutique investment research firm, Daniel specializes in helping high-net-worth individuals, venture capitalists, and startups navigate complex markets and emerging industries such as AI, SaaS, and data. His career journey includes impactful roles at HB Reavis, where he managed €500M real estate projects, Zursh, where he led AI-focused initiatives, and Azafran Capital Partners, where he developed investment strategies and managed data teams. ​Through his dedication to innovation, Daniel combines a global perspective with a hands-on approach, helping clients uncover growth opportunities and achieve their goals. His leadership has positioned Cohres as a trusted name in investment research and strategic planning. To learn more, visit https://www.danielnikic.com/.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.  Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.      

​​As people make more money, they tend to get sharper about almost everything. They think long term, manage risk better, hire experts, invest wisely and optimize their businesses and portfolios. But when it comes to health, a lot of people are still running the same basic playbook everyone else is. Standard labs, five-minute appointments, and just waiting until something breaks. When you want to level up in every area of your life, the conversation shouldn't be, "Am I sick right now?" It should be, "Where am I headed, and how early can I catch it?" The people who are strong, active, and dangerous well into their later decades aren't winging it. They're tracking smarter markers, finding issues years before they become diagnoses.  They understand a principle that lines up perfectly with money: The fundamentals compound. Biohacks may be exciting, peptides are trendy, and GLP-1s are everywhere. But if your cardiovascular system is weak, your metabolic health is sliding, and you're losing muscle, then you're not really upgrading your future. You're selling it off. In this episode, I'm joined by Ted Ryce, a performance coach who has worked with high-level entrepreneurs and starts like Richard Branson and Robert Downey Jnr.  He talks about how serious operators should think about their bodies, what advanced clients test for that most physicians never bring up, and why mastering the basics still wins in wealth and health. Things You'll Learn In This Episode  Looking fit isn't the same as being healthy You can lift, diet, and still be metabolically heading toward disaster, so what numbers actually predict trouble years before a diagnosis? The uncomfortable truth about weight-loss drugs If appetite goes down but muscle disappears with it, are you really improving your future, or borrowing against it? The health metric we shouldn't ignore What does your VO₂ max say about how long and how well you'll live, and why are so few people training it intentionally? Biohacks can't outrun broken fundamentals Before you experiment with peptides, hormones, and supplements, how do you actually master sleep, movement, and recovery?   Guest Bio Ted Ryce is a health expert and coach to entrepreneurs, executives, and high-performing professionals who want to reclaim their health, lose weight, upgrade their productivity and live an extraordinary life. Ted's been in the industry for 25+ years, coaching A-listers like Richard Branson, Robert Downey Jr., and hundreds of CEOs and entrepreneurs. He is also the creator of The Legendary Life Podcast, where he delivers, with humor, the best health and fitness information in the world, backed by cutting-edge science and common sense wisdom. To learn more, visit https://www.legendarylifepodcast.com/. If you want to work with Ted, visit https://www.legendarylifepodcast.com/here/   About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.  Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.  

When you're struggling in business or just starting out, the last thing you think you need is a coach. You think you can't afford it, you're not ready, or you should wait until you have better results first. But every time someone feels like that, that's actually when they need a coach the most. Most people see coaching as something you do later. Once things are going well, the money is there, and you've "made it" enough to deserve help. But that's not really how it works. Coaching isn't there to reward you for being successful. It's there to stop you from wasting years trying to get there on your own. Because the real cost isn't paying for a coach. The real cost is everything you lose while you're trying to figure it out by yourself.  In fact, coaching isn't even a cost. When you have the right coach, it starts paying off quickly, and it becomes one of the best investments you'll ever make in yourself. How do you know when it's the right time to get help instead of waiting it out? How did my guest build a top-performing career as a blind sales professional in one of the toughest industries there is? What can we learn from his success story? In this episode, entrepreneur, speaker, coach, and bestselling author of If I Can Do It, You Can Do It, Patrick Engasser, joins me to talk about mindset, opportunity, and why getting the right guidance early changes everything.  You'll learn why the people who grow fastest aren't the smartest, they're just the ones who stop trying to do it alone.   Things You'll Learn In This Episode  "I can't afford a coach" is usually backwards Is it really about money, or about how much time, stress, and lost momentum it's costing you to figure everything out the slow way? The hidden mindset shift that unlocks performance What changes when you stop seeing your weaknesses as liabilities and start using them as your most powerful differentiators? How people actually "create" luck Are some people actually luckier, or are they just better trained to notice and act on the chances everyone else ignores? Success becomes addictive once you start helping others Why does coaching, leadership, and mentorship often feel more rewarding than personal wins, and how does that change the way you build your business?   Guest Bio Patrick Engasser is an entrepreneur, speaker, coach, and bestselling author of If I Can Do It, You Can Do It. He started his career in the insurance industry as a top sales representative for a Fortune 500 company. He was awarded top-account closer in his third year and promoted to district manager. Patrick went on to recruit, train, and lead a seven-figure sales team while coaching several agents to successful careers in the outside sales world. He has been the recipient of the company's Top Award for Management Excellence three times for his outstanding leadership and ability to coach others to achieve their goals. Patrick has been helping aspiring entrepreneurs build their own businesses for over 15 years. To learn more and to buy his book, visit patrickengasser.com. To book a free strategy session, go to talkwithpatrick.com.      About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.  Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.    

Most people think financial freedom comes from earning more, saving harder, or finding the perfect investment. But the real trap isn't income…it's the way we're taught to store and move money. We're told to separate everything into neat little buckets: checking, savings, mortgage, credit cards, investments. And somehow, even when we're "doing well," the system still feels tight, slow, and exhausting. The traditional system is wildly inefficient by design. A 3–4% mortgage isn't really 3–4% at all. It's closer to 12–15% in simple interest once you account for amortization. Savings accounts paying 1–3% sit right next to debt costing 8–25%, and no one ever teaches us to connect those two dots. We're working hard, being disciplined, and still leaking money through invisible cracks. Instead of playing by those rules, Joseph Kovacevic built a completely different operating system: one pot, one line, one flow. All income goes into a first lien HELOC, and all expenses come out of it.  No idle cash, no artificial separation between "good money" and "bad money." How did he go from using money like everyone else to building an entirely different financial system? Why do people struggle so much to understand and actually implement this system? In this episode, entrepreneur, money mentor, and first lien HELOC specialist Joseph Kovacevic breaks down how he's been running this system for over 15 years - from quitting the railroad, to scaling real estate, to using HELOCs and insurance policies as an integrated financial engine.   Things You'll Learn In This Episode  Your mortgage interest isn't what you think it is A "low" 3–5% mortgage is actually closer to 12–15% in simple interest over 30 years, so what are you really paying for homeownership? Why savings accounts make you poorer, not safer If you're earning 1–3% in savings while paying 8–25% on debt, are you actually saving, or quietly burning money? The one-pot system that replaces budgeting entirely What happens when all income, expenses, investing, and saving run through a single HELOC instead of 10 separate accounts? How to become the bank instead of borrowing from one From infinite banking to lending your own capital at 12%+, how do you turn cash flow into a self-funding wealth machine?   Guest Bio Joseph Kovacevic is an entrepreneur, Money Mentor, and first lien HELOC specialist.  At 23 years old, he hired out on the railroad for a career that lasted almost 20 years. He has been investing in real estate since 2000. Between managing rental properties and flipping houses, he was able to escape the corporate world and become an entrepreneur. In 2018, he met Chris Naugle at a Home show in Buffalo, NY, and was later introduced to Brent Kesler, who introduced him to IBC. After years of using the Infinite Banking Concept, he now wants to share IBC with everyone. Being a part of The Money School and The Money Multiplier team, he now helps others break away from conformity and pursue their dreams. He is passionate about educating others about the implementation of the Infinite Banking Concept to solve people's money problems. To learn more, visit https://themoneymultiplier.com/joseph-kovacevic.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.    Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download).   Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.    

Most high-income earners assume their tax situation is handled once they hire a CPA and start filing. The return gets done, nothing breaks, and it's easy to believe that if something mattered, it would already be happening. But that assumption quietly costs people money. Not because they're reckless or aggressive, but because compliance gets mistaken for strategy, and basic leverage never gets activated. Zach Newberry works with business owners and real estate investors who earn well, and still find themselves on the wrong side of the tax game. What he sees over and over isn't missed loopholes or exotic strategies.  It's small, obvious decisions that never get made: spending a few thousand dollars to unlock meaningful capital, revisiting structures that no longer fit, and using rules that already apply but are never deployed. His perspective reframes taxes as a capital allocation problem, not a paperwork exercise. Instead of focusing on what gets filed, he looks at what gets converted, dollars that would disappear versus dollars that stay in play for the next investment. In this episode, we talk about why small, inconvenient costs often unlock real leverage, where high earners miss money long before "strategy" even starts, and how rules like the Augusta Rule fit into real life when you understand how to use them. About the Guest  Zachary Newberry is a CPA, tax planner, and entrepreneur who works primarily with business owners and real estate investors. His practice focuses on helping clients move beyond basic tax compliance and use the tax code intentionally — connecting entity structure, real estate, income timing, and planning decisions in a way that supports long-term wealth building. He works with real estate investors, real estate-centric businesses, small to mid-sized companies, and high-income individuals. In addition to tax preparation, Zach provides ongoing tax planning and advisory services, accounting and bookkeeping oversight, and strategic consulting for clients who want their tax decisions to function as part of their broader financial and investment strategy — not just something that gets filed once a year.  Email Address - zach@newberrycpa.com Instagram - @newberrycpa Facebook Business Page - https://www.facebook.com/zachnewberrycpa Booking Link - https://go.oncehub.com/ZachNewberry   About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor with a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Resources Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.  Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download). Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.  

Most investors never question the structure they're investing in. They accept tight assumptions, back-end-heavy returns, and illiquidity as the price of access, assuming the payout will arrive before anything goes wrong. But when timing slips, liquidity tightens, or markets shift, those assumptions become traps. The deal didn't fail because the idea was bad. It failed because it never paid the investor enough to wait. Irwin Boris has spent decades operating on the other side of that equation. After more than $5 billion in deal flow, he learned to treat any model that needs to be "screwed down" to make the return work as a warning sign, not an opportunity. His approach prioritizes downside discipline, visible cash flow, and structures that don't depend on exits arriving on schedule. Instead of betting on appreciation or future liquidity events, he focuses on assets that pay along the way and remain viable even when conditions change. In this episode, we talk about understanding where risk actually lives, why backend-dependent strategies quietly corner investors, and how disciplined capital positions itself in assets that don't require perfect timing to survive.   About the Guest  Irwin Boris is a speaker and SVP of Acquisitions and Investor Relations at Heritage Capital Group. In the past, he has been the Head of Real Estate for several Family Offices (foreign & US), making investment decisions.  He has more than 30 years of experience in real estate finance, investment, and asset management. He has participated as a direct lender, principal, investment banker, and advisor in more than $5 billion in real estate transactions. To learn more, visit https://heritagegroupcapital.com/ or send an email to irwin@heritagecapitalgroup.net.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.    Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download).   Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.    

Most investors never question the hierarchy they're operating in. They borrow money, take on operational risk, manage tenants, absorb volatility, and send a large portion of every payment upstream to the lender.  If something breaks, if a tenant stops paying, if the market turns—the obligation to the bank doesn't change.  This is the Mr. Burns model: the banks sit at the top of the building collecting checks, while everyone else does the work below. The slow flip model flips that hierarchy entirely. Instead of rehabbing properties or betting on appreciation, the investor becomes the lender. Short-term private money is used to acquire low-dollar properties, then paid off quickly through long-term owner financing.  For the first few years, the deal feels tight. Cash flow is modest. But once the private capital is gone, the asset is owned free and clear—and the payments keep coming for decades. No leverage. No refinancing risk. No dependency on market timing. What makes this approach powerful isn't just the math, though the math is staggering. It's the positioning. Ultra-affordable housing behaves differently from traditional rentals. Demand doesn't disappear in downturns. People can always move down in price—but there's a floor they can't go below. And by structuring the deal as the bank, the investor removes themselves from the operational chaos that destroys so many otherwise "good" deals. In this episode, we sit down with Scott, a real estate investor who's been in the game since the 1990s, got crushed in the 2008 collapse, and rebuilt with a model explicitly designed to survive the next downturn.  We talk about why slow flips aren't about patience for patience's sake, how amortization quietly creates generational cash flow, and why the investors who win long term are usually the ones willing to give up speed early in exchange for control later. About Our Guest  Scott Jelinek is an entrepreneur, coach, full-time real estate investor, and author of The Art of the Slow Flip. He has been investing in real estate since 1994 and has completed well over six hundred deals, continuing to be a leader in the industry. He has owned and operated a wide variety of businesses, from tanning salons to hot dog shops--all while buying, selling, and renting properties. Today, Scott uses his knowledge and experience to coach other real estate investors. Over 15 years, Scott built a rental portfolio of more than 100 properties. On paper, it looked like success. In reality, it was constant tenant issues, mounting repairs, and growing leverage. By 2008, he was $1.3 million in debt and ultimately lost more than 55 properties to foreclosure. That experience forced a hard reset and led him to abandon traditional rentals in favor of what he later named the Slow Flip model: selling low-cost homes on terms and holding the paper. Since then, Scott has completed hundreds of slow flips, building long-term cash flow without tenants, repairs, or property management, and now focuses on helping other investors escape the operational grind of real estate. To learn more or buy the book, go to https://www.slowflip.com/.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.    Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download).   Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.    

One of the biggest mistakes in personal finance is how quickly conversations turn into either/or debates. Invest or insure, trust the market, or play defense. Something is a scam, or it's the answer. The problem is, real financial progress rarely comes from choosing sides. It comes from using the right tools together instead of pretending one tool should do everything. This shows up clearly in the way people talk about retirement plans. People have strong opinions about 401(k)s, especially the idea that the match is a scam. But that argument falls apart once you actually slow down and look at how it works. That idea carries into the way people think about insurance. Insurance isn't an investment, and treating it like one creates bad expectations on both sides. But dismissing it because it's not an investment misses what it's actually designed to do. The more interesting question isn't "what's the return," but "what role does this play in the system?" Being dogmatic about any tool, whether it's a 401(k), insurance, or the market, usually leads to worse outcomes. In this episode, the author of The And Asset and founder of BetterWealth, Caleb Guilliams, returns. We dig into the idea of giving your dollars more than one job, how money can be safe and accessible at the same time, and boring on the surface, but incredibly useful when integrated correctly.  Things You'll Learn In This Episode  Why financial labels block better decisions We don't reject strategies because they fail; we reject them because of what they're called. How does labeling something "insurance," "investment," or "scam" stop you from seeing its true value? Why value matters more than rates of return Cost only feels expensive when the value isn't clear. What happens when you stop asking "what does this pay?" and start asking "how many jobs does my money do at once?" Changing your mind is a sign of financial maturity Rigid beliefs feel safe, but they often lead to bad advice. Why is the willingness to evolve a marker of credibility, not weakness? How AI will quietly replace most financial advice models What will happen when software can analyze, design, and optimize financial decisions faster and more accurately than most humans ever could?   About the Guest Caleb Guilliams is the author of "The and Asset", a podcaster, investor, speaker, and the founder and CEO of Better Wealth Solutions, a company committed to showing people how to be more efficient and control their money today while maximizing their future wealth potential. BetterWealth is a company that is fascinated with the idea of ordinary people being able to achieve extraordinary wealth. Caleb and his team have discovered proven strategies & principles that can empower anyone to create & protect real wealth. For more information, go to https://betterwealth.com/. Go to https://thewholelifesummit.com/2026  to learn more about the Summit and buy the book at https://betterwealth.com/bookstore.   About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Get Your FREE Copy Of 'The Private Money Guide'  and 'Mapping Out The Millionaire Mystery'.    Keep up with us every week on our FREE Live webinars for more conversations like this, and as a BONUS, get our newest mini-ebook instantly upon signing up! https://moneyschoolrei.com/wednesday-webinar (digital download).   Dive into money, mindset, and motivation videos on my YouTube Channel, and be sure to subscribe so you can be notified of our weekly LIVE streams. Find out about our next weekend workshop, and see what others are saying: https://www.moneyschooltraining.com/registration.    

Many people who work hard to build and protect their wealth assume that once they "make it," everything will finally feel good, secure, calm, and settled. But most people don't discover the truth until they're already successful: money doesn't quiet the fear. It often makes it louder. The pressure gets higher, and the decisions get heavier. The same stress, anxiety, and old beliefs they carried before wealth simply move with them into a larger life. That's the part no one prepares high earners for: the emotional weight that grows alongside the net worth. And it shows up everywhere: in the urge to hold money tighter, in the guilt that makes generosity feel risky, and in investment choices that look diversified but are actually fragmented and scattered. For more than 30 years, financial advisor Shannon Ryan has seen this up close. She's worked with founders, professionals, and ultra-wealthy families who have everything they once wanted, yet still feel overwhelmed, afraid, or ashamed of how they handle money. Not because they lack discipline or intelligence, but because their emotional relationship with money never evolved as quickly as their wealth did. In this conversation, Shannon and I explore the hidden side of wealth: why financial milestones don't automatically create peace, and what it actually takes to feel free when the numbers say you should already be there.   About the Guest Shannon Ryan is a Certified Financial Planner CFP®, behavioral finance advocate, speaker, and the author of the upcoming book Your Money Has Feelings. With over 30 years of experience guiding individuals and families, Shannon blends clear financial knowledge with a heart-centered approach to help people heal their money stories, transform their financial behavior, and build lasting confidence. She's been featured on Good Morning America, CNBC, and TEDx, and is known for making personal finance feel relatable, empowering, and deeply human. To work with Shannon, visit https://shannon-ryan.com/.  Buy her book, "Money Has Feelings," on Amazon.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.

When people think about economic downturns, they usually assume the damage happens at the bottom. What rarely gets talked about is how many wealthy people lose everything — not because they didn't have assets, but because they trusted strategies that only worked when conditions stayed favorable. In this episode, I'm joined by Arthur Hood, an investor and entrepreneur who has built significant wealth across multiple market cycles and watched firsthand how high-net-worth individuals get taken out when liquidity tightens, exits disappear, and assumptions stop holding. We talk about why net worth doesn't equal safety, how paper wealth quietly evaporates when cash dries up, and the specific decisions that turn manageable situations into permanent losses.  Arthur explains why some asset classes keep working under pressure while others break, and why deals that depend on a clean refinance or exit are often the first to fail. Most importantly, we dig into the moves that allowed certain investors not just to survive the worst downturns, but to stay in control long enough to come out stronger on the other side.   About the Guest Arthur Hood is an experienced entrepreneur with a diverse portfolio of businesses spanning commercial real estate, entertainment, and hospitality. His venture Your Space America, focuses on the booming self-storage industry, one of the most resilient and high-performing asset classes in U.S. real estate. As Executive Vice President of the company, Arthur has overseen the development, construction, and ownership of large, climate-controlled self-storage facilities. These properties have become increasingly sought after by institutional investors due to their consistent performance across economic cycles. With self-storage offering an average annual return of 17.3% from 1994 to 2023, the industry has grown exponentially, driven by high demand from individuals, small businesses, and transitional populations. Your Space America is capitalizing on this growth by creating state-of-the-art facilities that cater to modern consumer needs, offering not only safe, secure storage but also a wide range of specialized services, including climate-controlled units for sensitive inventory and documents. In addition to his work in self-storage, Arthur is the owner of HV Entertainment LLC, which operates a growing portfolio of lounges and nightclubs across Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Chicago. Furthermore, as Managing Member of HV Properties LLC, Arthur has been instrumental in acquiring, developing, and selling both commercial and residential real estate across the U.S. The company's real estate holdings span Florida, Texas, and Alabama, with a focus on value-added opportunities. From large-scale developments to residential projects, Arthur's leadership has helped expand the company's footprint and establish a strong presence in multiple high-demand markets. His expertise across these industries, combined with a strategic approach to growth, has positioned him as a significant player in both commercial real estate and the entertainment sectors. To learn more, go to https://arthurhood.com/ or send an email to info@arthurhood.com.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor with a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.

For a lot of truckers, you can make great money hauling loads across the country, but it comes with a catch: the wheels have to keep turning for the money to keep coming in.  There's no automatic runway to financial freedom, no built-in exit strategy, just the quiet expectation that you'll drive until your body says you can't. And the obvious alternatives like owning trucks, hiring drivers, scaling through fleet operations aren't as simple or as stable as they sound.  Most truckers end up in a loop that looks a lot like the rest of America's financial reality: you earn, you spend, you start over. The numbers change, but the pattern doesn't. That's where infinite banking enters the conversation, not as a magic button, but as a system that gives truckers a way to make their money work even when they're not on the road.  But here's the part most people miss: Infinite banking only works if you do. Because there's a trap almost everyone falls into. You pay off your debts, you free up all that cash flow… and then you let it drift back into a traditional bank account, where it gets spent, swallowed, or forgotten.  And this same pattern shows up in another overlooked area of trucking: health. The lifestyle is notoriously hard on the body: long hours sitting, fast food at every stop, poor sleep, and constant stress. It's easy to wake up one day and realize your finances aren't the only thing stuck in a loop you never intended to be in. In this episode, I'm joined by Dexter Holiday, a longtime trucker who set out to rewrite both his financial and health trajectory. We explore what it looks like to step out of the financial and health cycles of trucking.  We unpack the strategy, the mistakes, the course corrections, and the mindset shifts required to make it all work in real life.   Things You'll Learn In This Episode  Infinite Banking only works if you doMost people succeed in paying off debt but fail to recapture the payments and lose thousands in the process. How do you start thinking and acting like the bank? Debt freedom isn't the goal; debt management is Dexter cleared his debts, then unknowingly recreated them because the old habits were still in place. How do you stop yourself from sliding back into the same financial patterns you're trying to escape? Discipline creates wealth and health The same mindset that made Dexter financially stable helped him reverse diabetes, transform his energy, and rebuild his body. Why do money problems and health problems stem from the same root behaviors, and how do you change them? Fasting can undo what the road does to your body Trucking beats up your health, long hours sitting, constant snacking, and limited food options. How did fasting give Dexter's body the break it needed to repair itself and reverse the damage?   About the Guest Dexter Holiday is a longtime trucker who has spent years navigating the financial and physical demands of life on the road. After realizing the trucking industry offers income but not freedom, he began searching for a way to break the cycle of "earn, spend, reset." His journey through infinite banking, financial mistakes, course corrections, and eventually dramatic improvements in his health has made him a powerful example of what's possible when you commit to discipline, learning, and change. To learn more about the products that helped Dexter change his health, visit https://ufeelgreat.com/c/AKL589.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor with a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.

When entrepreneurs think about selling a business, they picture a clean formula: EBITDA × multiple, a "strategic buyer," and a smooth six-month process that ends with a big wire hitting their account.  What almost no one pictures is the real complexity behind an exit. The psychology, the timing, the identity shift, the risk calculus, and the reality that most founders aren't just selling a business… they're handing over a lifetime's work to someone else. That's the part nobody warns you about. Most owners obsess over valuation, but the real danger is preparing too late, choosing the wrong advisors, or stepping into negotiations with a fantasy number another broker promised them to win the listing.  And the cost of that mistake? Years lost, deals collapsing, and owners discovering too late that they should have fixed their accounting, diversified their customer base, or tightened operations years before approaching the market. And underneath all of it is an even deeper truth: exits aren't just financial events; they're emotional ones. If you don't know what your life looks like after the wire hits, you're at risk of waking up with more money than you've ever had… and less purpose than you've ever felt.  In this episode, I'm joined by Gregory Kovsky, president of IBA, one of the oldest and largest business brokerage firms in the Pacific Northwest. We dig into why the market is hotter than ever, how valuation actually works, the unique pitfalls sellers don't see coming, and why the real exit planning starts long before you think you're ready.   Guest Bio Gregory Kovsky is the President and CEO of IBA (International Business Associates), the Pacific Northwest's oldest and largest business brokerage firm. Gregory has successfully negotiated the purchase and sale of over 300 privately held companies and family businesses in Washington, Oregon, Alaska, California, North Carolina, and Massachusetts since joining IBA as a mergers and acquisitions intermediary in 1994. He has also built a seven-figure, self-managing business across ten locations. He has successfully facilitated transactions involving manufacturing and distribution companies, industrial, marine, and automotive businesses, technology and software companies, and service, education, and retail businesses. A commercial real estate professional for over 30 years, Gregory commonly provides his clients with comprehensive representation in selling a business and the associated real estate. To learn more, visit https://ibainc.com/.   About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.  

When people think about wealth-building, they picture stock charts, IRR calculators, and "smart" portfolios engineered by advisors. What they never picture is a dentist quietly building long-term wealth through trees or using a whole life policy as the cheapest, most flexible source of capital in his business. That narrow view hides one of the most powerful truths about high-net-worth families today: the real wealth is built through boring, patient, predictable decisions that compound for decades… not the high-IQ investing most people obsess over. Most high earners are told to focus on returns. Jeff flips that equation. He focuses on building a life. He invests based on clarity, intention, and a long-term vision of what he wants his days to look like. Once you have that vision, the decisions become simple. You stop chasing the market and checking performance and start building something inevitable. In this episode, I sit down with dentist, entrepreneur, and long-term investor, Dr. Jeff Seibert. We unpack how he creates wealth by ignoring the noise, lowering his cost of capital, buying assets that grow while he sleeps, and designing his portfolio around the life he actually wants.    Guest Bio Dr. Jeff Seibert is a successful dentist and serial entrepreneur known for building highly profitable, well-run practices and using them as engines to fund private investments. What sets him apart is his refreshingly unique philosophy: he doesn't chase quick returns or market noise. He builds businesses and buys assets that compound quietly for decades, giving him freedom, control and long-term wealth without stress or speculation.   About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.  

For most people, debt isn't a mistake; it's just life. The mortgage, the car loan, and the credit cards are what everyone does. Making the minimum payments feels normal, but that actually keeps people stuck. Millions of families are drowning in debt, and they're barely managing. They're working hard, keeping up with their bills, but almost every dollar they earn goes right back out in interest. They're not moving forward; they're treading water. The hard part is, they're not doing anything "wrong." They're doing what the system taught them to do: stay cash-poor while the banks collect. People proudly lock in their 30-year loans at "record low rates," convinced they've made the smartest financial move of their lives. But they don't realize that even at 3%, they're giving away hundreds of thousands in interest. That money could be building security, breathing room, and financial freedom.  What if the same dollars you're paying the bank every month could start working for you instead? What if your paycheck could reduce your interest, shorten your payoff timeline, and create new cash flow, without earning a cent more? In this episode, Velocity Banking expert Christy Vann and all-in-one loan expert Harrison George return. We unpack how the system keeps you cash poor, and the simple shifts that can set you free. From using tools like the all-in-one first-lien HELOC to applying velocity and Infinite Banking principles, you'll learn how to redirect your money and eliminate debt faster.    Things You'll Learn In This Episode  The minimum-payment illusion Most people think staying current on their bills means they're managing their money well. What if that belief is the very thing keeping them broke? The hidden cost of a low-rate mortgage A 3% mortgage feels like a win, until you realize it's still costing you hundreds of thousands in interest. How can you flip that money back in your favor? Turning interest into opportunity Every month, you hand a portion of your paycheck to the bank. What happens when you start redirecting that same money toward your own freedom instead? The smarter way to get debt-free You don't have to earn more or live with less to change your situation. How do systems like the all-in-one HELOC, Velocity Banking, and Infinite Banking make that possible?   Guest Bio   Harrison George is a highly accomplished Mortgage Loan Officer at CMG Financial in Meridian, Idaho, specializing in both purchase and refinance solutions. With a degree from Colorado Mesa University, he has earned recognition as a Top Producer by Scotsman Guide for his exceptional loan performance. Harrison is a thought leader in mortgage innovations, particularly the "All‑in‑One Loan" concept using LinkedIn and YouTube to educate homeowners, investors, and realtors on how to build equity faster and achieve greater financial flexibility. Dedicated to client success, Harrison emphasizes transparent communication and customized strategies, earning consistently positive feedback from satisfied borrowers.   Subscribe to The Harrison George Team on YouTube Find Harrison on LinkedIn @Harrison George Christy Vann is a Velocity Banking expert, coach, and founder of Vanntastic Finances. She is a financial educator teaching people how to become debt-free very, VERY quickly! Christy explores debt-relief options with individuals, so we all may live in total financial peace! For more information, head to https://vanntasticfinances.com/, subscribe to her YouTube channe,l and join her private Facebook group.    About Your Host   From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier.   His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works.   Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you!

When people hear "franchise", they immediately picture a drive-through window and a fryer in the back. That narrow view hides one of the most accessible and profitable paths to business ownership today: non-food franchising. We've been taught that entrepreneurship means starting from scratch: writing business plans, building systems, and hoping your idea sticks.  Franchising flips that equation. You're not reinventing the wheel; you're stepping into a proven system with training, marketing, and infrastructure already built. The best part?  You can own a business that runs without you being chained to it. The real secret is that most high-income professionals, doctors, executives, and even W-2 employees can buy or build semi-passive franchises that generate cash flow, deliver powerful tax advantages, and diversify their wealth far beyond the stock market.  And yet, most never explore it because they still think of "fast food." Why is buying a franchise a better path into business ownership? What are the lesser-known benefits you get from this model?  In this episode, I sit down with Jon Ostenson, founder of FranBridge Consulting and author of Non-Food Franchising. We unpack the world of franchises that don't involve burgers or coffee cups. We talk about how to identify the right concept, fund your investment, and leverage the new tax rules that make owning a franchise smarter than ever.  Things You'll Learn In This Episode  -The shortcut to entrepreneurship Most people think you need to invent something new to build wealth. What if the fastest path is owning a system that's already proven to work? -Semi-passive ownership, real results Some franchises thrive even when the owner isn't there daily. How do they do it, and what separates a true "executive model" from wishful thinking? -The hidden tax advantage of business ownership Business owners play by a completely different tax rulebook. How can franchising open those same doors for people still working a W-2 job? -The non-food franchise boom From home services to senior care, boring is the new profitable. Why are the most recession-resistant franchises the ones no one talks about?   Guest Bio Jon Ostenson is a Top 1% Franchise Consultant; 2 x Inc 5000 Founder; author of 'Non-Food Franchising', Forbes Contributor, and CEO of FranBridge Consulting. Specializing in the area of non-food franchising, he draws on his experience as both the president of an Inc. 500 franchise system and as a multi-brand franchisee in serving his consulting clients who are looking to explore business ownership opportunities. Jon helps clients understand all aspects of non-food franchising in the process of introducing them to opportunities from the over 600 high-growth brands that he represents. Before FranBridge, Jon was the President of ShelfGenie, a national franchise system with 200 locations. To learn more and get a free copy of his book 'Non-Food Franchising', go to http://franbridgeconsulting.com/.    About Your Host From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier. His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works. Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you!