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Author: Julie and Philippa

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In a world where play can be seen as frivolous or unnecessary, Julie and Philippa set out to explore its importance in our everyday lives.
Pondering play and therapy, both separately but also the inter-connectedness that play can in its own right be the very therapy we need. 
Julie and Philippa have many years of experience playing, both in their extensive professional careers and their personal lives. They will share, ponder, and discuss their experiences along the way in the hope that this might invite others to join in playfulness. 

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Philippa and Julie continue their conversation on resistance, focusing on the adults around a child—parents, carers, and professionals—and how “putting the brakes on” can be protective, necessary, or linked to safeguarding concerns like hidden compliance. They explore how mandated therapy, ongoing assessments, shame, fear of judgment, and the realities of trauma-informed parenting can fuel pushback, and share examples from TheraPlay and play therapy, including parents declining therapy after ...
Philippa interviews Marneta Viegas, founder of Relax Kids, which began 25 years ago as the UK’s first company offering children’s relaxation and mental health tools. Marneta shares her performing arts background, years as a children’s entertainer and mime performer, and how she noticed children increasingly struggled to sit still, listen, and concentrate. A breakthrough came when she introduced visualisation at parties and began transforming fairy stories into meditations, leading to her firs...
Philippa and Julie introduce the first episode in a two-part series on resistance, focusing here on children and young people in therapy (with a follow-up episode planned on resistance from parents, carers, and other professionals). Drawing on their different approaches—TheraPlay (more adult-led) and child-centred play therapy (more child-led)—they explore what resistance can look like: refusing or tweaking an activity, avoiding certain play areas, repeated toilet breaks, zoning out, overly c...
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa talks with Katie Wrench, a social worker, psychotherapist, head of service at BUSS, and an author. Katie discusses therapeutic life story work, explaining its importance for children who have experienced disruption, particularly those in foster care or adoption. She emphasises the need to help children develop a coherent narrative of their journey, integrating their fragmented memories to understand their identity and relationships bette...
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' host Philippa welcomes Oliver, a trainee clinical psychologist. They discuss the extensive and multifaceted training path for clinical psychologists in the UK, which includes clinical placements, research, and academic work. Oliver explains the importance of evidence-based practice, the variety of therapeutic approaches like CBT, DBT, and CFT, and the practical challenges faced during training. He shares his diverse experiences working in acute...
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host Philippa interviews Kim Golding, CBE, a clinical psychologist, author, and expert in dyadic developmental psychotherapy (DDP) with over 30 years of experience. Kim shares her unconventional journey into psychology, her long tenure in the NHS, and her work with children affected by early relational trauma. The discussion covers the evolution of attachment theory, the challenges of working with foster and adoptive families, and the development...
The State of Play in England: A Deep Dive with Eugene Minogue, Executive Director of Play England Welcome to this week's episode of Pondering Play and Therapy with Philippa and special guest Eugene Minogue, the executive director of Play England. In this episode, Eugene delves into the history, challenges, and current state of play in England. The conversation discusses Eugene's volunteer role in Play England, its evolution from the Children's Play Council, and the impacts of government poli...
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa and Julie explore the concept of 'just playing' in therapeutic contexts. They discuss the fine line between play and therapy, sharing personal anecdotes and insights on how play can serve different roles for children. They reflect on the pressure therapists face to meet goals within limited sessions and emphasise the importance of allowing children the freedom to guide the play. They also touch on building agency, establishing safety i...
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa interviews Ruth Hayles, service lead for Contextual Safeguarding and Youth Justice, about her 18-year career working across children's services. Ruth shares insights on her journey, highlighting the importance of early intervention, youth justice, and building trusting relationships with children and families. She explains concepts such as early help, child-first practice, and restorative justice. Ruth also discusses innovative program...
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' host Julie interviews Frankie, a recent graduate with a master's degree in play therapy from Roehampton University. They discuss Frankie's research on play therapy for young carers—children under 18 who provide emotional or physical care for a family member. The conversation explores the challenges young carers face, such as the burden of care, silenced voices, and systemic gaps in support. Frankie shares insights from interviews with play ther...
Understanding Trauma in Children: Insights from Dr. Karen Treisman | Pondering Play and Therapy Welcome to this week's episode of Pondering Play and Therapy with Philippa, featuring Dr. Karen Treisman, a clinical psychologist, author, and MBE award recipient. Dive deep into the world of trauma as Dr. Treisman elaborates on different types of trauma—cultural, intergenerational, and more—while highlighting the significance of trauma-informed approaches. Discover how trauma impacts children and...
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Julie interviews Philippa Kelly about her career journey in play therapy with children and families. Kelly reflects on her year-long co-hosting experience, her struggles with self-doubt, and how she overcame significant challenges. Key highlights include her path from a troubled school life to becoming a social worker, completing a family therapy degree, and ultimately, a practitioner at Gateway Psychological Services. The episode delves into h...
In the milestone 50th episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa and Julie reflect on their podcast journey over the past year. They discuss how the podcast has influenced their professional practices, thoughts about play and therapy, and personal growth. They also recount interviews with various experts, including insights on unstructured play, the role of play in emotional regulation, and the importance of both structured and free play in child development. Additionally, they invite ...
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Julie hosts Alan Herron, CEO of Play Board Northern Ireland. They discuss the organisation’s 40-year history, founded during the troubles of the mid-1980s in Northern Ireland, to offer children safe play opportunities amidst political unrest. Alan shares insights on the significance of play in breaking down societal barriers and fostering community cohesion. They explore current programmes like Positive Playgrounds and inclusive play initiatives,...
In this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa interviews Sarah Amanda, a relationship manager for the Arts Council England and a playwright, director, and dramaturg. They discuss the role of a dramaturg in shaping and supporting scripts, as well as the diverse responsibilities of a relationship manager in connecting artists and organisations across various art forms. Sarah shares her experiences with different projects, including mental health workshops for young people and a powerf...
In this week's episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host Philippa interviews her co-host Julie about her diverse career path. Julie shares her early aspirations of becoming a car mechanic or ballerina, but ultimately became a primary school teacher. She narrates her transition to play therapy, influenced by her experiences with children in the classroom and a particular puppet, Rita, who helped her connect with students. Julie discusses her further training in play therapy, working with chi...
Parenting Insights with Dr. Vanessa Lapont Join Philippa in this illuminating episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy' as she sits down with Dr Vanessa Lapointe, a seasoned psychology expert turned global parenting advocate. With over 20 years of experience, Dr Lapointe shares her invaluable insights on parenting from a developmental perspective. They delve into the importance of focusing on the child in front of you, understanding the realities of child development, and building lasting conn...
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy' with Philippa, guest Claire discusses the growing issue of school anxiety among children. The conversation explores the potential reasons for increased anxiety, including heightened academic pressures, the complexities of modern social interactions, and the unique challenges faced by neurodivergent children. Claire highlights the importance of early intervention and the role of schools and parents in supporting children through these challenges....
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy', host Philippa interviews Greg, an author and child advocate from 'Can I Go and Play Now?'. Greg talks about his journey from working in a scrap store to becoming a passionate advocate for play and autonomy in children. He shares his experiences and methods for helping teachers and adults connect with their inner child and incorporate more play into education. The conversation covers the importance of unstructured, imaginative play, the impact o...
In this episode of 'Pondering Play and Therapy,' Philippa and Julie delve into the essence of play therapy. They discuss the common misconception that play therapy is solely about teaching children how to play. The conversation shifts to the nuances of what play therapy entails, from addressing developmental delays in play to providing a safe space for children to explore relationships and express emotions. They explore how structured play differs from free, imaginative play and how technolog...
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