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RIDEOUT: The Other Side of Hard
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The Other Side of Hard, hosted by Ken Rideout — raw, gripping conversations with people who've pushed past the breaking point. Stories of resilience, redemption, and what's waiting on the other side.
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Dan LaMorte is a New York City stand-up comedian and ultra runner who has lived more lives by 31 than most people do in a lifetime.
He started comedy at 19 after a career-ending college baseball injury. By 23, he was one of the youngest comics ever passed at the Comedy Cellar — and weighed 354 pounds.
In this conversation, Dan opens up about growing up on the spectrum, battling addiction, blowing out his elbow, ballooning in weight, and the moment two car crashes and a fatty liver diagnosis forced him to change everything.
He shares how running replaced drugs, how obsession can be both a curse and a superpower, and what it was like to collapse at mile 60 of a 100-mile race with chest and jaw pain — later waking up in the ICU.
We also talk about relapse, divorce, grief, rebuilding after public backlash, and why he’s now moving to Leadville to chase one of the hardest races in the world.
This episode isn’t about perfect discipline. It’s about resilience, identity, and what happens when you refuse to quit — even when life keeps knocking you down.
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Chapters
(00:00) Meet Dan LaMorte: Autism, comedy, and finding community
(00:44) Instagram connections and protecting your time
(05:32) Jersey upbringing, baseball, and tough-love parenting
(08:56) 5AM lifts, Asperger’s, and obsessive drive
(13:03) College baseball, weed bust, and Tommy John surgery
(18:04) Standup as survival: injury to open mics
(23:28) Comedy Cellar pressure and weight gain spiral
(28:13) Life at 350 pounds: shame and daily reality
(31:53) Turning point: car wrecks, fatty liver, LA hikes
(35:40) Running, diet shifts, and long-term health
(39:43) Ultra lessons, relapse cycles, chest pain scare
(41:58) When easy pace feels off: early warning signs
(43:13) Mile 40 red flags: chest and jaw pain
(44:06) ER diagnosis: spontaneous pneumomediastinum
(45:30) ICU aftermath and rhabdo recovery
(45:59) Reframing setbacks: resilience and self-talk
(50:05) 100-mile obsession and using quitting as fuel
(51:35) Health scares, Europe trip, drinking relapse
(53:57) Back to training and favorite mountain ultras
(55:21) Trail fall, broken fibula, elevator blackout
(59:00) Third hospital visit and divorce tension
(01:02:24) Wife leaves, grandfather dies: grief and perspective
(01:05:14) Viral heckler clip, backlash, relationship strain
(01:09:17) Touring dreams, sudden loss, anger and gratitude
(01:12:29) Chicago to LA alone: heartbreak and overtraining
(01:15:21) Final month with Grandpa: support and momentum
(01:18:34) Leadville lottery, altitude prep, crew questions
(01:19:52) Family cabin signs and getting into Leadville
(01:20:50) Post-divorce reset: renting in Leadville
(01:23:07) Fueling long ultras: gels, Tailwind, Ketone IQ
(01:23:58) Comedy vs ultra culture: ego and community
(01:30:10) Online hate, Strava pressure, public triggers
(01:37:23) Training consistency, injury reality, show-up mindset
(01:41:49) Fixing the foot: insoles, lifting, calf work
(01:48:08) Mishka, memoir writing, and wrap-up
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Truett Hanes is the kind of athlete who makes people uncomfortable, not because he’s loud, but because he’s willing to commit in public. He says the goal out loud. He posts the work. He shows the misses. And he keeps moving anyway.
This episode isn’t about a highlight reel. It’s about the part most people avoid: what happens when you swing big and come up short, in front of everyone. Truett talks about learning humility the hard way, taking the hit, and choosing to return to the work instead of protecting his image.
We also get into the stuff that reveals who he is when nobody’s clapping: why he runs races in jeans, how he’s used that attention to support a mission bigger than himself, and how he tries to respond to hate without becoming the same thing he’s fighting.
Then we zoom out. The real thread running through all of it is simple: Truett is obsessed with one question: “What am I actually capable of if I stop negotiating with myself?” That question is taking him into the deep end of marathon training, and it’s the same question that’s shaped his whole life: discipline, faith, restraint, and a willingness to be the underdog as long as it takes.
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Chapters
(00:00) Welcome Truett Hanes
(01:36) Running in Jeans for Charity: The Miracle Foundation Story
(04:18) Host Comeback: Sobriety, Triathlons & Marathon Lessons
(09:08) Handling Online Hate: Turning Criticism into Fuel
(12:58) Redemption: From Pull-Up Failure to World Record
(16:48) Olympic Trials Mindset: Volume, Consistency & Tuning Out Noise
(18:50) Truett’s Start: Forced Running, Marathon at 13 & Burnout
(21:09) Parenting & Pressure: Letting Kids Choose Their Path
(27:56) A Father’s Shadow: From Local Fame to Rogan
(30:28) Sponsors & Sacrifice: Chasing Big Marathon Goals
(34:50) The Underdog Edge: Winning Without Feeling Fulfilled
(36:54) When Winning Isn’t Enough: Identity & Presence at Home
(37:57) The 1:06 Half: Utah Breakthrough & First Major Win
(39:33) Big Wins & Malibu Drama with an Olympic-Level Rival
(42:41) Competitive Fire: Aggression, Insecurity & Race-Day Mindset
(46:04) Olympic Trials Debate: Doubters, Coaching & Proving 2:29
(50:02) Training Levers: Weight, Marathons, Diet & Sleep
(52:39) Data vs Instinct: When Metrics Help—or Hurt
(54:17) Race Blow-Ups: Berlin Crash, CIM Stomach Issues & Fueling Lessons
(59:18) Gear & Recovery: Heat, Sauna, Cold Plunge & Wearables
(01:03:28) NY Masters Win, Boston Regrets & Marathon Chaos
(01:05:39) Final Message: Pull-Ups, Patience & Gratitude
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Zac Clark’s childhood was stable. Good parents. Sports. School. No obvious “reason” for what came next — which is exactly why his story matters.
In his mid-20s, Zac had brain surgery. The surgery worked. But he left the hospital with a raging opioid addiction — and it escalated fast. Pills turned into powder. Powder turned into a needle. And eventually, a missing person report, an arrest, and one moment inside a bank that forced everything into the light.
Zac got sober on August 30, 2011. He stayed in treatment for four and a half months, moved to New York City, and started over from the bottom of the behavioral health world — one day at a time. Years later, he built Release Recovery, a sober living and treatment operation that now spans multiple locations and helps people who feel out of options.
We also talk about the unexpected curveball: The Bachelorette, sudden visibility, and why the real work starts after the camera turns off. And how running became a tool for discipline, community, and staying alive.
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Guest Welcome
(00:57) Childhood and Early Influences
(02:43) High School and Early Drug Use
(03:33) College Years and Escalation
(11:43) Post-College Life and Brain Surgery
(15:08) Descent into Addiction
(18:55) First Rehab Experience
(26:52) Rock Bottom and Turning Point
(34:15) Starting Release Recovery
(39:59) The Bachelorette Experience
(41:07) No Time for Dating
(41:36) Unexpected Call from a Producer
(41:57) Journey to Palm Springs
(42:56) The Bachelorette Experience
(43:50) Sharing Vulnerabilities
(44:34) Cast Dynamics
(45:22) Post-Show Reflections
(48:45) Building a Recovery Business
(51:40) Challenges and Successes
(57:42) Running and Sobriety
(01:01:31) The Joy of Running
(01:06:47) Sports and Personal Growth
(01:09:44) Release Recovery Run Club
(01:15:40) Final Thoughts and Contact Information
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Walker Hayes wasn’t an “overnight success.”
He was a songwriter for two decades. A dad of six. Clocking in at Costco at 4AM. Drinking. Burning out. Still writing anyway.
In this episode, Walker talks about what it really looked like before “Fancy Like” — the years where bagels felt like a luxury, security felt like a trap, and quitting felt like the responsible move.
Then we go to the hardest day of his life: losing his daughter Oakley on the same day he was supposed to perform on TV — and watching his wife fight to survive. Walker tells the truth about grief, rage, and the moment he realized he was about to make it worse.
This is a conversation about sobriety, purpose, family, and what success does and doesn’t fix.
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Welcoming Walker Hayes
(00:20) First Hunting Experiences
(01:05) Learning from Father-in-Law
(05:50) Reflecting on Life and Career
(10:47) Overcoming Adversity and Sobriety
(29:59) Tragic Loss and Perspective
(41:09) Embracing Life's Challenges
(42:04) The Best Grapes Face the Most Resilience
(43:31) The Overnight Success Story
(45:46) The TikTok Dance That Changed Everything
(48:42) Balancing Family and Career
(53:06) The Importance of Hard Work and Grit
(58:13) Navigating Social Media and Public Perception
(01:04:51) Homeschooling and Raising Diverse Kids
(01:07:05) The Value of a Supportive Partner
(01:11:39) The Challenges of Parenting Teenagers
(01:17:24) Navigating Parenting Challenges
(01:19:07) The Business of Music
(01:21:01) Venturing into Merchandise
(01:23:47) Collaborations and Social Media
(01:28:20) The Pressure of Success
(01:39:56) Emotional Vulnerability and Brotherhood
(01:44:43) Reflecting on Personal Growth
(01:48:13) Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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This week I sit down with Dr. Kristen Holmes — scientist, former elite athlete, coach, and the Global Head of Human Performance at WHOOP.
Kristen built her life around performance early. Sports became structure. Discipline became safety. Achievement became identity. But long before the titles and credentials, she was learning how to survive instability, neglect, and trauma — and carrying that nervous system into adulthood.
We talk about what high achievement can hide. How drive is often born from pain. And how never asking for help eventually catches up to you. Kristen shares the unglamorous work that came later: therapy, forgiveness, rebuilding identity, and learning how to live with peace without losing her edge.
We also get into sleep, recovery, alcohol, HRV, and why the nervous system never lies — plus how those lessons now shape her work with elite athletes, teams, and everyday people trying to function better in a demanding world.
This episode isn’t about optimization.
It’s about alignment.
And what it actually costs to earn it.
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Setting the Stage
(00:19) The Importance of Self-Care and Delayed Gratification
(02:43) Challenges of Modern Life and Evolutionary Psychology
(05:24) Struggles with Addiction and the Power of the First Step
(06:36) Kristen's Background and Early Life
(08:33) The Impact of Parental Influence and Childhood Struggles
(15:32) Turning to Sports for Validation and Success
(22:11) Coaching and the Journey to Princeton
(32:48) Embracing Technology in Sports Science
(40:18) The Future of Heart Rate Variability in Sports Science
(42:33) Implementing Training Effect Notifications
(43:21) Fueling for Athletic Performance
(44:32) The Commitment of Division One Sports
(45:42) Integrating Technology in Sports Programs
(46:02) Recruiting and Retaining Top Athletes
(48:22) The Princeton Experience and Alumni Pride
(52:23) Personal Journey to Whoop
(54:38) The Importance of Sleep and Recovery
(58:45) Transitioning to a Corporate Environment
(01:00:05) The Power of Data in Performance Enhancement
(01:12:31) Healing Trauma and Building Resilience
(01:15:35) Coping with Anger and Competition
(01:16:03) Revealing the Past to Family
(01:17:08) The Darkest Moments and Seeking Help
(01:18:06) The Power of Forgiveness
(01:18:59) Understanding Abusers and Empathy
(01:21:59) Emotional Intelligence and Self-Reflection
(01:25:32) The Importance of Physical and Mental Health
(01:27:55) Alcohol's Impact on Health
(01:30:17) Whoop Data and Alcohol Consumption
(01:35:37) VO2 Max and Longevity
(01:42:09) The Responsibility of Health and Wellness
(01:46:56) Exciting Developments at Whoop
(01:54:00) Conclusion
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Bill Shufelt, CEO and co-founder of Athletic Brewing Company, shares the remarkable journey from high-intensity finance to building the world’s leading non-alcoholic beer brand. In this conversation, Ken Rideout and Bill go deep on the real story behind Athletic: Bill’s personal struggle with alcohol, the moment sobriety changed everything, and the “missionary vs. mercenary” mindset that kept him committed to impact over exits.
Bill breaks down what it actually took to get Athletic off the ground—raising early capital through relentless rejection, building breweries from scratch to protect quality, and scaling through multiple economic cycles. They also touch on fitness, endurance, family support, and why younger generations are changing the future of drinking faster than most people realize.
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Guest Welcome
(00:19) The Journey of Athletic Brewing
(02:18) Missionaries vs. Mercenaries
(02:45) The Brewing Evolution
(06:43) Finance Career Beginnings
(08:55) Trading Desk Realities
(16:59) The Turning Point: Sobriety
(25:36) Discovering a New Path
(36:14) The Birth of Athletic Brewing
(46:05) Making the Leap
(47:55) Facing Rejection and Learning from Setbacks
(48:13) The Struggles of Early Capital Raising
(50:04) Unexpected Challenges and Small Wins
(51:47) Finding the Right Partner and Building the Team
(55:16) The Decision to Build Our Own Brewery
(01:02:01) Overcoming Economic and Logistical Hurdles
(01:18:31) The Importance of Passion and Community
(01:20:46) Marketing Wins and Lessons Learned
(01:25:14) The Journey of Growth and Future Plans
(01:33:38) Final Thoughts and Reflections
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Ran Carthon has lived football from every angle — from undrafted NFL running back fighting to stay on rosters, to working his way through scouting and personnel, to eventually becoming General Manager of the Tennessee Titans.
In this conversation, Ken Rideout goes beyond wins and losses to explore the human side of the NFL: pressure, family sacrifice, leadership, and what it really takes to earn trust inside an organization. Ran reflects on his upbringing as a military kid, finding home in Key West, and the lessons passed down from his father’s long NFL playing and coaching career.
He shares the reality of being undrafted, the intensity of being coached by his own father, the behind-the-scenes grind of front office life, and what true collaboration actually looks like inside winning teams. Ran also opens up about being let go publicly — and how he rebuilt his mindset around peace, joy, and purpose beyond the job.
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Guest Background
(00:20) Family Legacy in Football
(00:59) Challenges and Hardships in Football
(02:32) Training and Practice Insights
(04:42) Adoption and Community Support
(07:15) Racial Differences and Community
(18:14) Growing Up in Key West
(21:34) High School Football and Recruitment
(37:35) Sponsor: Liposomal NAD+ (RO Nutrition)
(38:47) NFL Journey: From Undrafted to Camp
(41:04) Father-Son Coaching Experience
(45:14) Transition to the Indianapolis Colts
(54:22) Fan Culture and Player Respect
(01:00:59) Challenges for Black Coaches in the NFL
(01:04:23) Path to Becoming an NFL Executive
(01:19:48) 49ers Draft Room + Building Reputation
(01:23:29) Transition to the Tennessee Titans
(01:28:21) Challenges of Being a GM
(01:31:13) Balancing Family and Career
(01:38:51) Life After the Titans + Reset Mindset
(01:46:58) Final Thoughts and Super Bowl Predictions
(02:01:38) Outro
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John Joseph grew up in extreme violence, neglect, and instability. Raised by a violent, alcoholic father, he spent years in abusive foster homes, experienced homelessness on the streets of New York City as a teenager, battled addiction, and cycled through incarceration and institutional lock-ups at a young age. By every conventional measure, his life was headed toward an early end.
This episode traces John’s journey through that chaos—and the single principle that allowed him to survive it: discipline.
From punk rock and life on the streets, to sobriety, plant-based living, endurance sports, and completing multiple Ironman triathlons, John rebuilt his life one deliberate decision at a time. We talk about breaking cycles of abuse and addiction, replacing self-destruction with structure, and why discipline—not motivation—is the foundation for lasting change.
This is a conversation about accountability, resilience, and what it actually takes to turn suffering into strength when there’s no safety net and no one coming to save you.
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John Joseph:
Website: www.johnjosephdiscipline.com
Instagram: @johnjosephdiscipline
YouTube: @hardtruthwithjohnjoseph5582
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction to John Joseph
(00:20) Meeting at Crunch Gym
(01:16) First Ironman Experience
(02:09) Ironman Journey and Achievements
(05:58) Sponsorship and Endorsements
(06:50) John Joseph's Origin Story
(09:59) Life in Foster Care
(13:37) Surviving Abuse and Finding Strength
(26:46) Transition to a Better Foster Home
(32:18) Life on the Streets and Early Hustles
(34:45) Involvement in Drug Trade and Punk Scene
(41:41) Dark Times and Escaping Danger
(47:17) Muscle Mike and Mob Justice
(48:01) Surviving Spofford: Tyson's Story
(48:11) First Night Fight: Establishing Dominance
(49:55) Escape Plan on the Bus
(51:20) Sentenced to Upstate: Family Connections
(53:20) Navy Recruiter Saves the Day
(53:41) Joining the Navy: A New Beginning
(58:20) Punk Rock and the Bad Brains
(01:02:22) Drug Bust and Going AWOL
(01:08:41) Life on the Run: Punk Scene and Street Fights
(01:14:05) Reconnecting with the Bad Brains
(01:15:16) Plant-Based Lifestyle and Sobriety
(01:18:19) Krishna Consciousness and Blood Clot Band
(01:24:30) Struggles with Addiction and Betrayal
(01:25:59) Life of Crime: Robberies and Escapes
(01:29:46) High-Speed Chase and Robbery
(01:32:01) Narrow Escape from the Police
(01:33:19) Plane Ride Panic
(01:35:45) Crack House Attack
(01:36:36) Path to Sobriety
(01:38:37) Family Tragedy and Addiction
(01:40:46) Confronting the Past
(01:46:21) Breaking the Cycle of Addiction
(01:48:14) Positive Obsessions and Endurance Sports
(01:50:34) Confronting Online Critics
(01:52:51) Music and New Projects
(02:11:08) Final Reflections and Farewell
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This week I sit down with Ian Bick — entrepreneur, storyteller, and podcast host, where he tells real stories of incarceration, redemption, and what change actually costs.
Ian became a nightclub owner as a teenager. Fast money. Bigger pressure. Debt. Gambling. Then the bottom fell out — and at 21, he was convicted of federal wire fraud and sent into the federal system.
He walks us through what people don’t understand: the difference between holding and prison, how quickly you get labeled, how prison politics really work, and the kind of humiliation that stays with you long after the sentence ends.
Then we get into the part nobody glamorizes — reentry. Regular jobs. Stigma. Restitution. Quiet accountability. And the long climb back that eventually led to building one of the fastest-growing justice-focused podcasts in the country.
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Ian Bick:
Website: https://www.ianbick.com/
Instagram: @ian_bick
YouTube: @ianbickCT
TikTok: @ianbick
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Sentencing
(02:05) Life in Federal Holding
(06:26) Facing Misconceptions in Prison
(08:07) Adjusting to Prison Life
(15:50) Reflecting on the Past and Future
(20:38) The Business Ventures That Led to Trouble
(30:26) Podcasting and Paying Guests
(38:13) Back to Prison Life
(38:31) First Prison Experience
(38:54) Extortion and Survival
(43:26) Transfer Ordeal
(45:02) Life at Danbury
(47:50) Oxford Camp and Guard Incident
(53:59) Post-Prison Life and Career
(55:48) Podcasting Journey
(01:02:57) Mr. Beast Experience
(01:10:09) Future Plans and Reflections
(01:12:01) Conclusion and Farewell
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Mike Lee lived the kind of life that doesn’t end clean. Heroin. Bank robberies. Prison. Overdoses. A revolving door that kept spinning until it didn’t.
In this episode, Mike breaks down the real mechanics of addiction — the daily grind of staying high, staying ahead, and eventually getting cornered. He talks about methadone, getting followed, getting grabbed, and finally deciding to make a change.
Then the rebuild. A rehab flight to Florida. A sober date he still remembers. A custody fight he didn’t think he could win. Power washing. Roof shoveling. A roofing company. Sober houses. The slow, unsexy work of becoming reliable.
No fake redemption arc. Just choices. Reps. Consequences. And a life that looks nothing like the one he came from.
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Mike Lee (BeanShooter)
Instagram: @beanshooter69
YouTube: @beanshootersgallery
Website: https://beanshooter.com
TikTok: @beanshooter069
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Chapters
(00:00) Mickey Ward's Influence and Rehab Journey
(03:01) Early Life and Family Background
(04:25) First Encounters with Crime
(10:31) Life in Prison and Methadone Struggles
(11:23) Graduating to Hard Drugs
(15:02) Bank Robberies and Legal Troubles
(16:25) Experiences in Walpole Prison
(26:34) Mickey Ward's Boxing Career
(33:42) Struggles with Methadone
(35:12) The Turning Point: Getting Off Methadone
(36:54) Life in the Methadone Clinic
(37:08) A Chance for Rehab in Florida
(38:18) Legal Troubles and Police Surveillance
(43:17) The Redemption Story Begins
(46:50) Building a New Life: Roofing and Sober House
(01:04:17) Reflections on Sobriety and Success
(01:08:08) Closing Thoughts and Podcast Outro
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This week’s episode is with Trey Hardee, a two-time World Champion in the decathlon and Olympic silver medalist.
Trey opens up about one of the most defining moments of his career: failing publicly on the Olympic stage, the shame that followed, and the surgery and rehab that forced him to confront whether he was really finished. We talk about what it takes to sit with failure instead of running from it — and how that process ultimately led him back to the podium.
This is a conversation about discipline, patience, and doing the work when no one’s watching — and what’s possible on the other side of hard.
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Trey Hardee
Instagram: @treyhardee
X: @treyhardee
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Guest Welcome
(00:02) The Best Athlete in the World
(00:37) Catching Up and Personal Reflections
(02:16) The High School Basketball Cut
(06:20) Transition to Pole Vaulting
(07:09) College Journey and Challenges
(14:37) Decathlon Beginnings
(23:38) The Grind and Consistency
(26:58) Overcoming Personal Challenges
(29:00) Mississippi State to Olympic Trials
(33:22) The Struggles of Early Athletic Career
(33:42) Transitioning to a New Coach and College
(34:18) Choosing Texas and Meeting Future Wife
(37:37) Parental Guidance and Personal Growth
(40:55) Training and Competing at Texas
(45:44) Injuries and Setbacks
(58:29) Turning Professional and Facing Challenges
(01:05:35) Embracing the Pressure and Enjoying the Journey
(01:05:51) Building Relationships and Offering Guidance
(01:06:36) The Role of Coaches in Major Competitions
(01:07:19) Facing Defeat and Overcoming Embarrassment
(01:08:37) Learning from Failure and Growing Stronger
(01:13:02) The Path to Becoming a World Champion
(01:17:02) Applying the Champion Mindset to Everyday Life
(01:20:44) The Road to the Olympics and Overcoming Injury
(01:30:14) Life After Competition and New Challenges
(01:35:40) Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Greg Kelley was a Texas high school football standout whose life was wrecked at 18 when he was wrongfully convicted of super aggravated sexual assault of a child and sentenced to 25 years with no possibility of parole. After years in some of the hardest Texas state prisons, a flawed investigation was exposed, his case was reopened by the Texas Rangers, and in 2019 he was fully exonerated by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals.
Today he’s a husband, former Division I safety at Eastern Michigan, ultra runner, and founder of the Vindication Foundation, helping others fighting wrongful convictions.
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Greg Kelley
Website: https://thevindicationfoundation.com
Instagram: @grkelley2
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Wrongful Conviction
(00:31) First Days in Prison
(02:23) Protective Custody and General Population
(05:06) Surviving Prison Life
(27:07) Faith and Hope in Adversity
(34:16) Family and Upbringing
(37:58) Reflecting on Childhood and Family Influence
(38:49) Puberty and Athletic Development
(39:51) High School Romance and Focus on Football
(40:46) Family Health Crises
(42:13) Living with a Friend's Family
(44:25) Jonathan's Troubling Behavior
(49:39) Accusations and Legal Troubles Begin
(01:03:15) Arrest and Initial Reactions
(01:13:19) Facing the In-Laws: A Heartfelt Confession
(01:15:11) The Shocking Accusation: A Life Turned Upside Down
(01:16:54) Support and Optimism Amidst Chaos
(01:18:20) The Alternative School Experience
(01:20:05) The Second Arrest: More Charges Surface
(01:35:58) The Plea Deal Dilemma
(01:41:21) The Trial: Fighting for Innocence
(01:52:39) Drifting Apart and Hidden Infatuations
(01:53:00) Conviction and Betrayal
(01:55:12) Writing Through Trauma
(01:58:49) The Justice System's Failures
(01:58:56) The Vindication Foundation
(01:59:51) The Appeal Process Begins
(02:09:57) The Role of Evidence in Proving Innocence
(02:11:22) Reinvestigation and New Evidence
(02:19:25) The Hearing and Hope for Freedom
(02:25:41) A Glimmer of Hope
(02:31:53) Breaking Free from Institutionalization
(02:32:48) The Moment of Release
(02:34:22) Emotional Reunion and Reflections
(02:36:16) Life After Exoneration
(02:38:45) Pursuing New Dreams
(02:43:54) Legal Battles and Vindication
(02:47:26) A New Beginning
(02:57:39) Final Thoughts and Future Plans
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Mike Blabac is one of the most influential photographers in skateboarding and action sports. His work includes Danny Way’s iconic Great Wall of China jump, the rise of DC Shoes, and global campaigns with athletes like LeBron James and Usher.
In this episode, Mike shares his journey from a chaotic childhood in rural Ohio to becoming a defining photographer of modern skate culture. He opens up about years of living in chaos and drinking heavily, and how meeting neuroscientist Andrew Huberman became the turning point that pushed him to rebuild his health, career, and relationship with his kids.
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Mike Blabac
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction: Who is Mike Blabac?(00:23) Danny Way’s Great Wall of China jump(03:06) The crash, broken foot and Chinese officials(10:33) Growing up in rural Ohio(18:21) Discovering photography as a kid(24:04) Meeting skaters and working early jobs(24:56) Moving to San Francisco at 19(25:58) Skating Embarcadero and breaking into the scene(31:49) Writing to Grant Brittain & first published photos(45:36) Mad Circle, Girl, Chocolate & career foundations(54:13) Joining DC Shoes & shooting global trips(57:39) Ken Block, DC, and the birth of Gymkhana(01:06:28) Airplane chaos with Colin(01:16:03) Becoming comfortable in chaos(01:27:11) Transition to commercial photography(01:32:05) Drinking heavily while working nonstop(01:34:58) Meeting Andrew Huberman & the turning point(01:40:33) Sobriety, training and career momentum(01:45:12) How sobriety changed his parenting(01:53:11) Final reflections and lessons
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This time I’m the guest. My friend, co-conspirator, and writer Mishka Shubaly turns the mic on me.
We go deep into my past—from the years I spent hiding an opioid addiction and living a double life in pharmaceutical sales and later on Wall Street, to the moment I finally chose my family over my vices.
Mishka traces the full arc of my story: the lies I told myself, the fear of getting comfortable, and the role endurance sports played in rebuilding my identity through hard work. We talk about honesty, identity, and how running became the tool I used to leave my old self behind.
This episode is a raw, honest look at addiction, accountability, endurance, and the ongoing work of becoming the person you’re trying to be.
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Ken Rideout
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Chapters
(00:00) Meeting in Person: A Year in the Making(00:15) The Goby March: A Test of Endurance(02:03) Preparation and Challenges(03:46) Race Day Realities(07:03) Mental and Physical Struggles(13:00) Reflections on Addiction and Recovery(18:42) The Drive to Keep Pushing(24:06) Comradery and Competition(34:55) Downhill Running and River Crossing(35:46) Final Race and Victory(36:50) Post-Race Reflections(38:23) Competitive Mindset and Sobriety Journey(40:01) Childhood and Athletic Drive(41:18) Struggles with Addiction(49:50) Financial Success and Imposter Syndrome(1:08:06) Adoption and Sobriety(1:14:00) The Turning Point: Quitting Pills for a New Life(1:14:39) The Struggle and Triumph of Sobriety(1:15:23) The Emotional Toll and the Path to Recovery(1:16:18) Inspiration and Motivation: Comeback Stories(1:16:48) The Mental Battle: Overcoming Addiction(1:18:50) Managing Stress and Emotions in Sobriety(1:19:34) The Role of Worry and Prayer(1:20:05) Endurance and Athletic Brewing(1:21:03) Addressing Criticism: From One Addiction to Another(1:23:02) The Bond with Dogs and Running Motivation(1:26:29) Triathlon Journey: From Novice to Competitor(1:30:57) Lessons from Endurance Sports(1:44:23) The Pursuit of Peace and Happiness(1:45:48) Final Thoughts and Reflections
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Rich Roll is a former Stanford swimmer and entertainment attorney whose life unraveled when alcoholism and unhealthy habits brought him to the brink of collapse. With two DUIs, a marriage that ended on the honeymoon, and lost friendships and family relationships, Rich finally faced enough pain to motivate change.
This is the story of Rich's reinvention through sobriety, plant-based nutrition, and an almost unbelievable immersion into endurance sports—transforming himself from an out-of-shape lawyer into one of the world's fittest men. His journey is an extraordinary example of personal responsibility, spiritual growth, and the power of incremental change.
Rich is now a bestselling author, leading podcaster, and wellness advocate. His numerous personal transformations, along with those of his guests on The Rich Roll Podcast, have inspired millions of people around the world.
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Gratitude
(00:27) Reflecting on Impact and Purpose
(01:54) Discussing Hard Times and Overcoming Challenges
(02:56) The Dark Days of Alcoholism
(05:35) Consequences and Legal Troubles
(07:30) The Turning Point and Seeking Help
(10:23) Rehabilitation and Recovery Journey
(11:15) Facing the Reality of Addiction
(23:34) The Marriage That Wasn't Meant to Be
(32:05) The Path to Sobriety
(42:55) Reflecting on Life's Blessings
(43:54) Gratitude and Sobriety
(44:15) Helping Those Who Feel Stuck
(45:15) The Reality of Alcoholism
(45:49) Day-to-Day Survival in Sobriety
(46:43) Building a Foundation of Sobriety
(49:33) Endurance Sports as Therapy
(50:36) Struggles and Triumphs in Endurance Sports
(52:36) The Journey to Self-Acceptance
(01:01:23) Back Surgery and Recovery
(01:16:39) The Podcast Journey
(01:24:26) Final Thoughts and Encouragement
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Damon West is a former Division I quarterback whose life spiraled out of control after he became addicted to drugs while working in finance. In May 2009, Damon was sentenced to 65 years in prison, which is considered a life sentence, for robberies he committed in the state of Texas.
This is the story of Damon's transformation while in prison and after. It's an incredible story of resilience and redemption.
Damon is now a bestselling author, college professor, philanthropist and a sought-after motivational speaker, working with Fortune 500 companies, schools and elite sports programs.
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Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction: First Day in Texas State Prison
00:04:32 Understanding Life Sentences and Prison Security Levels
00:07:18 The Heart Check: First Fight in Prison
00:11:23 Race and Gang Politics Behind Bars
00:14:20 Meeting Carlos: The First Cellmate
00:16:15 Fighting the White Gangs
00:21:42 Breaking a Mouse: Prison Manipulation Tactics
00:24:25 Learning to Fight: On-the-Job Training
00:28:13 Suicidal Thoughts and Finding Faith
00:30:01 The Basketball Court Strategy
00:37:11 Earning Respect Through Sports
00:46:07 The Blackjack Confrontation: Fight for Survival
00:48:08 The Coffee Bean Story Begins
00:54:02 Trial and Sentencing: 65 Years
00:57:37 Mohammed's Wisdom: Carrots, Eggs, and Coffee Beans
01:02:53 Clearing the Meth Haze: Early Recovery
01:09:56 Spirituality vs. Religion in Recovery
01:13:52 Judge Snipes: The Resentment That Held Me Back
01:19:42 Letting Go: The Four Absolutes
01:23:37 Finding Purpose: Teaching Inmates to Read
01:30:25 Early Life: College Football and the Fork in the Road
01:32:01 Introduction to Drugs and Addiction
01:35:58 The Uptown Burglar: Life of Crime
01:41:26 Stealing Cars and Playing Cat and Mouse
01:45:09 The Great Escape: Stealing from the Impound Lot
01:47:10 The Final Burglary: Stealing from a Gold Star Family
01:49:25 Arrest: The SWAT Team Raid
01:52:27 Making Parole: The Impossible Happens
01:57:06 Last Two Weeks: Marked Man
02:01:56 Walking Out: November 16, 2015
02:04:05 Early Freedom: Finding Service Work
02:06:31 Practicing the Presentation
02:08:04 The Night That Changed Everything: Meeting Dabo Swinney
02:11:01 Breaking Into College Football Speaking
02:12:17 The Coffee Bean Book Goes Global
02:14:20 Finding Mohammed's Family
02:17:46 Redemption: Becoming Useful
02:18:10 When Victims Reach Out
02:22:23 Forgiveness: The Ring and the Email
02:23:59 No Enemies: Freedom from Resentment
02:24:19 Final Thoughts: True Imprisonment
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