The IT Experts Podcast

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, we explore one of the most common questions MSP owners face, how to charge more without losing clients. Ian is joined by Justin Neale from Value Alchemists, a specialist in value-based pricing who works closely with MSP leaders who want to increase margins, strengthen client loyalty and feel more confident about the prices they set. This conversation brings a welcome sense of clarity to a topic that often feels heavy for business owners, and it explains why price increases can become a natural and healthy part of running a modern MSP.    Ian and Justin Neale begin by unpacking the fear that stops many MSPs from reviewing their pricing. Many owners worry that even a small increase will shake client relationships or trigger a wave of cancellations. Justin Neale explains that this feeling is normal for business owners, although the reality is far calmer than the story they tell themselves. He highlights how remaining static with prices can damage credibility, weaken perceived value and make an MSP look like the budget option without ever intending to. He walks through the idea of the premium pricing paradox, a pattern he sees across the industry where higher prices often result in stronger client loyalty because the shift signals confidence, quality and leadership.   Ian and Justin take the discussion into the world of value. They explore why MSPs struggle to move away from selling deliverables and why so many owners feel attached to long lists of tools, subscriptions and platforms. Justin Neale explains that MSPs are experts in their craft, so they naturally focus on technology. Clients do not make decisions this way. Clients want outcomes, protection, time savings, security and clarity. When MSPs step back and look at what a client is really trying to achieve, the entire pricing conversation becomes simpler. The MSP begins to position a complete solution rather than a menu of choices, and the client feels understood rather than overwhelmed.    A key part of the episode focuses on confidence. Ian shares a story about belief and how vital it is for an MSP owner to feel certain that their service improves the lives of their clients. This leads to a powerful section in which Justin Neale explains how MSPs can build internal confidence by digging deeper into the value they already create. Many MSPs have clients who have scaled successfully, saved money, increased productivity or avoided significant risk because of the work done behind the scenes. When an MSP reconnects with these stories, they often gain the certainty they need to approach pricing with more structure and leadership.    The conversation then moves to practical action. Justin Neale introduces the idea of customer scoring, a method that removes emotion from pricing decisions and helps MSPs understand which clients value them most. By using a simple scoring model, MSP owners can identify the clients who love working with them, spot those who are price sensitive and plan price increases with confidence. The aim is never to keep every client forever. The aim is to build a client base that aligns with the service, values and direction of the business. Healthy attrition is part of this process, and both Ian and Justin reinforce that stronger clients create stronger margins, which in turn create more stable and meaningful long-term relationships.    Ian and Justin then explore how client journeys shape value. Many MSPs operate in a reactive cycle where they solve issues as they arise. Justin Neale encourages owners to look at the complete customer journey and identify patterns that signal a deeper problem or a chance to improve the client experience. When MSPs understand the journey from the client's perspective, they make better decisions, improve service flow and create opportunities to add value without increasing workload. This mindset also helps owners feel more comfortable with premium positioning because the service becomes clearly aligned with outcomes.    The episode rounds off with a practical summary. The message is clear. MSPs who want to charge more need to stop selling lists and start selling outcomes. They need a pricing rhythm that feels calm, confident and predictable. They need to understand their ideal clients and build their service around the problems they can solve. And above all, they need the courage to lead the conversation on value rather than waiting for clients to raise it.    Ian closes the show with the reminder that every MSP can take steps to increase margins without creating disruption when they approach pricing with confidence, clarity and a focus on outcomes. With guidance from experts like Justin Neale, the path becomes much clearer and far more achievable.   Connect with Justin Neale through his LinkedIn by clicking HERE.       You can also visit their website and learn more about Value Alchemists by clicking HERE.    Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon! 

In this episode of The IT Experts Podcast, Ian Luckett and Stuart Warwick explore why getting to "no" faster strengthens the way you grow your business. This conversation brings real clarity to the habits that shape confident decision making, especially when you want to build a cleaner and more focused MSP sales pipeline. You will hear why many owners feel weighed down by slow moving leads, how that drains energy, and how simple shifts in the way you qualify can transform the shape of your growth rhythm.    Ian and Stuart open with a truth that every MSP will recognise. Sales always sounds simple from the outside, yet the reality feels very different when you are the one carrying the pressure. The MSP sales pipeline often feels full, although most owners know it is filled with names that are unlikely to convert. The desire to keep every lead alive comes from a natural fear of scarcity. When you have a smaller base of clients, each opportunity feels precious. The irony is that this mindset creates friction and slows you down, because you spend time speaking to the wrong people for too long. Ian and Stuart talk about the emotional weight of this and how freeing it can be when you learn to release poor fits earlier.    Stuart shares a story from early in his career which shaped the way he thinks about conversations. He describes reading every sales book he could find and learning one lesson that has stayed with him for decades. The quicker you reach a clear decision, the easier sales becomes. When someone is not the right fit, the next suitable opportunity is already on its way. The MSP sales pipeline becomes stronger when you remove those who do not align with your pricing, your standards or your approach. This mindset gives owners permission to be open, direct, and decisive. It also removes the fear of missing out, because clarity creates space for better prospects.    The conversation moves to confidence. Both hosts explain how confidence is one of the most attractive qualities in any sales process. Prospects want an expert who stands tall, explains things clearly and leads with structure. Ian talks about how this shows up at events and networking conversations. When you know your value, you ask better questions and you guide the discussion in a way that respects your time and theirs. The MSP sales pipeline works best when you feel comfortable enough to ask whether the person in front of you is a right fit now, rather than keeping them in the wings hoping they return one day.     Scripts and prepared questions play a powerful role here. Ian and Stuart highlight how simple prompts can uncover intent quickly. Asking whether something is a now decision or a later decision helps you avoid months of soft chasing. Many MSP owners avoid clarity because they fear hearing something they do not want to hear. Ian compares this to checking your financials. You may feel anxious about seeing the detail, although seeing the truth always helps you make stronger decisions. The MSP sales pipeline becomes healthier when you know where each conversation sits.    The episode also explores how targeting sharpens every stage of sales. When you understand your ideal client profile, you know who you serve best and why. This shapes your questions, your positioning and your confidence. Stuart talks about specialists who focus on accountants or professional services and how this improves every conversation. When your targeting is precise, you get to yes faster without forcing anything. The MSP sales pipeline fills with people who already understand your relevance, which shortens the sales cycle and lifts conversion rates.    Toward the end of the episode, both hosts underline the importance of consistency. When you have a steady rhythm of leads, qualification feels lighter. You feel less attached to every single conversation. This freedom helps you sound clearer, gain trust, and hold stronger boundaries. You say no with ease when someone is not right. This shapes a high-quality MSP sales pipeline that contains engaged prospects who value your advice and want to move forward.    This episode equips you with a practical and confidence building way of thinking about sales. It encourages you to take control, ask better questions, and give your future clients the experience they need from the moment they meet you. When you embrace this approach, you create clarity, shorten your sales cycle and grow with far more ease.    Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

In this episode of the IT Experts Podcast, I sit down with the brilliant Marcus Sheridan to unpack one of the biggest questions on every MSP owners mind how to attract endless customers into your MSP in a world that has completely changed the way it buys. This conversation is all about practical action. Marcus and I explore what is really going on in the heads of your buyers, why they now arrive eighty percent of the way through their buying journey before they ever speak to you, and how you can position your MSP as the firm that AI tools and humans are both recommending. If you are serious about growth and you want to understand how The MSP Growth Hub thinking lines up with the They Ask You Answer and Endless Customers approach, this episode will keep you thinking for a very long time.    Marcus starts by calling out what most MSP owners already feel, even if they have not put words to it. Your prospects are now digital first buyers. They want to feel informed, confident, and in control long before they ever book a call. They research on their own, they consume content at volume, they use AI tools, and they are desperate to avoid making a poor decision. The key insight is simple. You need to win the eighty percent of the journey that happens before the contact form. If that learning happens on someone else's site, or inside someone else's content, then that other provider will gain first contact, first conversation and very often the client. At The MSP Growth Hub we see this play out all the time when owners tell us that new clients feel like they already know us, because they have listened to the podcast, downloaded the Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, or spent time inside our content before any sales conversation takes place.    From there Marcus shares the five subjects that every serious buyer researches and that very few MSPs address clearly enough. Pricing and costs, problems and fears, comparisons, reviews including the negative ones, and who is the best at solving a particular problem. Every time a business leader searches for things like best MSP for professional services or reviews of local IT providers, AI and search tools are looking for helpful, honest content that actually answers the question. The MSP Growth Hub approach lines up with this perfectly. Your content has one main job. It needs to educate, de-risk and build trust. We spend time in the episode on the topic that makes most MSPs uncomfortable, the money conversation. Marcus explains that the first question any buyer has is roughly what is this going to cost and that this question acts as the gateway to the rest of the journey. When a website hides pricing, visitors feel frustrated, click away within seconds and carry on searching until they find a provider who will help them understand the drivers of cost and value. That insight alone, if applied with a bit of courage, can transform how your MSP generates leads.    Marcus then shares examples from his own swimming pool company, where a single pricing article that explained what affects the cost of a pool, without giving a rigid one size fits all number, has generated tens of millions in revenue. The lesson for MSPs is clear. You do not need to publish a fixed price list for everything, you need to educate. Explain what drives the investment up or down, why some providers appear cheaper, why others charge more, and what a typical client might expect over the life of the relationship. When you do this openly, you stop commoditising your services, because somebody who reads that kind of content now understands value properly. Tools like pricing estimators and self-service assessments are going to become standard in the MSP space. Marcus talks about how adding a pricing estimator to a site can multiply inbound leads and why early adopters in our industry will gain a massive advantage before this becomes normal. Inside The MSP Growth Hub, we are already seeing appetite from MSP owners to build these types of tools into their marketing and sales funnels, as they realise that buyers expect to get useful answers without needing a call every time.    We also explore how AI will shape who is recommended and who gets ignored. For years the game has been about keeping Google and the human buyer happy. Now AI tools are becoming the layer that sits between the question and the supplier. If your MSP is not producing clear, honest, useful content that addresses the real questions buyers are asking, there is a risk that AI simply does not see you as the expert to recommend. Marcus shares a practical tool at aitrustsignals.com that scores how likely AI is to recommend you, and this lines up perfectly with The MSP Growth Hub philosophy that your digital presence is no longer optional. It is a core asset in your valuation and your growth plan.    For MSP owners who feel overwhelmed at the thought of producing content, Marcus strips away the complexity. He explains how his custom tools inside ChatGPT can generate powerful customer focused titles for your blogs and videos and then gives a very simple rhythm. Take one title a day, pull out your phone, open with a natural question that your client would ask, and answer it in the same way you would if you were sitting with them in a cafe. One take, no over editing, then hand it to someone who can upload and post it across your platforms. Ten minutes a day used in this way can position you as a trusted voice in your niche. At The MSP Growth Hub we are always reminding clients that they do not need television studio production to build trust. They need consistency, clarity, and a focus on the questions that actually keep their clients awake at night.     We round off the conversation by talking about team involvement and the link between content, sales, and leadership. Marcus reinforces a message that we share regularly inside The MSP Growth Hub. Everyone in the business is part of sales and marketing. Subject matter experts on the service desk, in projects, security and account management all hold knowledge that your buyers need to see and hear. A simple monthly rhythm where marketing interview these experts, record short sessions, and turn them into articles, videos, and posts can transform your authority in the market. We also touch on the health of sales cultures in MSPs and why regular sales training, strong discovery skills, and a consultative approach will always matter, even as AI and self-service tools advance.    If you want to take the ideas from this episode and apply them to your own MSP, The MSP Growth Hub has a suite of resources designed to help you build trust, educate your market and generate more of the right leads. Start by grabbing the Ultimate MSP Growth Guide which helps you decide what type of support you need and when. Then take the MSP Mastery quiz which will give you a rapid scan of your business and highlight the one or two areas that will unlock more time, more engaged people, and more high-quality opportunities. As Marcus says in the show, your responsibility as an owner is to stay forward thinking, lean into these changes and lead your market rather than sit on the sidelines.    You can connect with Nicola Moss on her LinkedIn HERE.    Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

In this episode of the IT Experts Podcast, we explore why so many MSPs hit a ceiling when it comes to growth and how shifting your marketing mindset from activity to strategy can unlock the next level of success.  I'm joined by THE Nicola Moss, a seasoned marketing leader and founder of The Fractional Marketeer, who works with MSPs to bring structure, credibility and clear direction to their marketing efforts. Nicola has spent years leading marketing functions inside MSPs, so she knows first-hand the challenges that owners face when they try to move from tactical marketing, emails, webinars, and social posts to a true strategic approach that builds long-term business value.  At The MSP Growth Hub, we see this all the time. Many owners tell us they are doing "some marketing" but feel it's not getting traction. They're sending emails, posting online, maybe running the odd event, but it all feels disconnected. Nicola explained that this is where most MSPs sit for far too long, often because marketing isn't their happy place. It feels complicated, time-consuming, and expensive. But as Nicola reminded us, what got you here won't get you there. The habits that got an MSP to a few million in revenue are rarely the ones that will take it beyond that point. To grow, you need to think differently.  Nicola talked about the moment when MSPs start to realise they need a more cohesive approach. That's when things start to feel messy. There's often a marketing assistant, a digital agency, maybe a salesperson, but no one is joining the dots. It becomes fragmented, and without a guiding hand, you end up with activity without impact. This is where having a clear marketing strategy connected directly to your business goals becomes essential.  At The MSP Growth Hub, we help MSPs connect the dots between their commercial plan and their marketing focus. Nicola shared that one of the biggest mindset shifts for MSPs is to start viewing marketing not just as lead generation, but as a way of building transferable value. She made the point that every MSP will eventually exit their business, whether through sale or succession, and that marketing has a direct influence on valuation. A well-defined brand, a consistent message, and clear differentiation all make the business more attractive to both clients and buyers.  We also explored the question of what an effective marketing team should look like. Nicola explained that in smaller MSPs, marketing often starts with an outsourced agency or a junior hire handling basic digital tasks. But as the business grows, it becomes important to have someone internal who understands the company, its values and its customers. Eventually, that person needs strategic guidance to connect all the moving parts: sales, operations, and growth priorities. This is where bringing in a fractional CMO or senior marketing lead can make a huge difference.  At The MSP Growth Hub, we often encourage MSPs to grow their own internal marketing resource but to support them with strategic oversight. Nicola's experience as a fractional CMO mirrors this. She shared how her clients benefit from having someone who isn't just managing an agency but is actually embedded in the business, aligning marketing to outcomes such as revenue growth, client retention, and brand credibility.  A major part of the discussion was about measurement. Marketing can feel hard to measure, especially when some activities build awareness and trust over time. Nicola acknowledged that not everything can be tracked to a spreadsheet, but revenue growth, margin contribution, and progress against the business plan are strong indicators that marketing is doing its job. She also pointed out that marketing and sales should share the same growth targets. Success comes when both teams work together, not in silos.  Another powerful insight came when we talked about the middle of the funnel: the stage between awareness and conversion. Many MSPs are active at the top of the funnel, creating blogs or posting on LinkedIn, and they get referrals at the bottom, but there's a big gap in the middle. Nicola explained that this is where educational webinars, customer advocacy, and community engagement play a huge role. Case studies, client stories and thought leadership all help to build trust and credibility before a sales conversation even begins.   As we wrapped up, Nicola left us with an important reminder. Marketing isn't a nice-to-have. It requires investment, consistency and strategic thinking. The MSPs that succeed are those that move beyond scattergun activity and focus their marketing around clear objectives that support the overall business plan. When marketing, sales and leadership are aligned, growth becomes predictable and sustainable.  At The MSP Growth Hub, we see this shift in action every day. The MSPs that take a more strategic view of their marketing see stronger lead flow, better client retention and ultimately higher valuations when it's time to sell or seek investment. Nicola's insights show that this level of clarity doesn't come from doing more, it comes from thinking smarter, aligning your message with your market, and building a marketing function that truly drives the business forward.  If you're ready to step back and look at your marketing through a more strategic lens, this episode with Nicola Moss is one you won't want to miss. It's a reminder that sustainable growth starts with focus, alignment, and a plan that connects marketing directly to your MSP's long-term goals. You can connect with Nicola Moss on her LinkedIn HERE.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

In this episode of the IT Experts Podcast, I sat down with the brilliant Fiona Challis to separate reality from the noise and give MSP owners a practical route to value. We opened with a simple viewpoint. AI is not a magic fix and it is not a toy to chase. It becomes powerful when it sits on top of clear processes, clean data, and a focused plan.     That theme runs through the whole conversation with Fiona Challis, who has spent recent years enabling partners around enterprise AI and then translating that experience for the MSP world. The result is a set of grounded lessons that help you create capacity, improve client experience, and grow revenue without creating chaos.    We began with the service desk, because it is where most MSPs feel the pain. Fiona Challis drew a helpful line between automation and AI. Many teams still have a backlog of simple automations available inside the tools they already pay for. Tidy those first to free time and reduce firefighting. Once the ground is set, AI can handle a large slice of tier one demand through voice agents and smart triage. A well-trained voice agent can answer calls, qualify the user, create a ticket with the right context, and get it to the correct queue. That single move lowers the noise floor and gives engineers the space to do higher value work. The critical point is that none of this works without basic workflows, decent documentation, and accurate data. Garbage in leads to poor outcomes. A little discipline in process creates a lot of value once you layer in AI.    Sales and marketing came next. Many MSP owners dislike this part of the job and often push it to the bottom of the to do list. AI can carry a heavy load here when used thoughtfully. Fiona Challis explained how an AI SDR can answer inbound calls at all hours, qualify interest, book meetings straight into your calendar, and route non buyers to relevant assets that nurture interest. That removes delay and prevents lead leakage. On outbound and account development, an AI analyst agent can sweep your CRM and contracts to surface missed opportunities across your existing base. We discussed one real world example where this activity revealed more than six hundred thousand pounds of potential from accounts that were already paying the MSP. That kind of return changes the shape of the quarter and gives your team a clear priority list.    Tool choice came up, and we gave a steer that saves time. Do not buy software based on headline price. Measure tools by the hours they give back, the improvement in client experience, and how they help your team perform. Money can be earned again. Time cannot. If one platform removes half of your tier one traffic or cuts proposal cycle time in half, that platform pays for itself many times over.     We then tackled client offerings, with a special focus on Microsoft Copilot. Many MSPs sell the licence and stop there, which leaves clients confused and creates security risk from ad hoc use of multiple AI tools. The fix is simple and valuable. Adopt Copilot inside your own MSP first and create one or two internal champions. Capture the time saved and the outcomes you achieve. Lead with those use cases in your conversations. Follow that with a paid AI or Copilot readiness assessment that checks data hygiene, permissions, workflows, and change readiness.    Fiona Challis has seen MSPs charge meaningfully for this assessment, then package remedial work to clean data, lock down access, and prepare the environment. Once the foundations are set, run a 30-day adoption pilot that targets a visible quick win, like meeting summaries with actions, agent setup for routine tasks, or document drafting for proposals. After the pilot, move into an acceleration phase that adds leaderboards, prompt packs, training rhythms, and light gamification to drive real adoption. The message is simple. You are not selling a licence. You are guiding a transformation that raises productivity, revenue, and experience for users and clients.    A question many owners ask is who delivers all of this. The pathway is not heavy. Your AI SDR filters interest and books the right conversations. Your internal champions run the readiness assessment with a clear checklist. Your engineers deliver the remediation as projects with defined outcomes. Your client success rhythm then tracks adoption and wins. That repeatable sequence turns Copilot from an unprofitable add on into a profitable solution stack that protects your base and attracts buyers who value progress.    Throughout the episode, Fiona Challis emphasised a steady cadence. Create a two-year roadmap across four quadrants, service operations, sales, marketing, and client offerings. Pick one quick win every 30 to 90 days. Implement, measure, and move to the next win. That rhythm stops the noise, builds confidence, and compounds results. It also positions you as a managed AI provider in the eyes of your clients. You become the partner who assesses readiness, remediates risk, aligns workflow, and accelerates adoption with measurable impact.    AI becomes a growth engine when it sits on top of simple process, clean data, and a plan your team can follow. Start inside your business. Automate what you can. Deploy AI where it makes a dent in time and quality. Use AI to make sales and marketing consistent so that your calendar fills with qualified meetings. Become your own best Copilot case study, sell the readiness assessment, deliver the remediation, and lead a visible 30-day pilot that wins hearts and minds. Keep going with an acceleration pack that keeps adoption rising every week. That is the path to scale with confidence.  You can connect with Fiona Challis on her LinkedIn HERE.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!     

Ian begins by reflecting on how mindset shapes outcomes. He shares how his own transformation began during long commutes to Heathrow Airport years ago, when he discovered the power of self-belief through learning from leaders like Tony Robbins. That journey sparked a shift in perspective, from being an employee to building a business owner mindset. The lesson is simple but profound: your body listens to what your mind tells it. If you believe you can achieve something, you probably will. If you believe you cannot, that becomes your reality too. Many MSP owners, as Ian points out, didn't plan to become business leaders. Most began as technicians who happened to grow into ownership. They excel at problem-solving for clients but often struggle to apply the same logic to their own growth. The result is self-doubt, limited belief, and a feeling of being stuck. Ian reminds listeners that personal growth must come before business growth. This is why The MSP Growth Hub focuses heavily on developing leadership confidence alongside commercial strategy. As Ian says, "We help businesses grow, but we have to grow you first." He challenges MSP owners to recognise how their words shape their world. The language they use, especially the quiet, internal language, determines what they act on and what they avoid. Phrases like "I don't have time," or "I'm not cut out for leadership," are not statements of fact but instructions to the brain that shut down opportunity. Replacing them with more empowering language such as "I need to prioritise my thousand-pound tasks" immediately shifts focus from limitation to action. A key insight Ian shares is that environment matters just as much as mindset. The people you surround yourself with influence your standards, your energy, and your belief in what's possible. He reminds MSPs that they become the average of the five people they spend the most time with. If you constantly engage with people who complain about what cannot be changed, you absorb that energy. Surround yourself instead with people who inspire you, who push boundaries, and who live by example. This is the community The MSP Growth Hub strives to create: one built on encouragement, accountability, and shared ambition. Ian also reflects on the role of leadership in overcoming self-doubt. Many MSP owners still hold on to the idea that they must do everything themselves. This belief not only causes burnout but also prevents the team from stepping up. He encourages owners to delegate more, even if that means allowing others to complete tasks to 80 percent of your standard. Good is often good enough when it frees up your time to focus on strategic, high-value work. A business grows faster when the owner stops being the bottleneck. He highlights the importance of language within leadership. The way an MSP owner communicates sets the tone for the whole organisation. Team members mirror what they see. If the leader walks in with low energy or frustration, the team absorbs it. But if the leader models calm confidence, focus, and positivity, that mindset ripples through the business. Ian uses the concept of the "shadow of the leader" to describe this effect and urges MSP owners to become conscious of the influence they carry every day. Practical tools also come into play. Ian recommends using DISC profiling to understand how different personalities work and communicate within a team. Knowing who thrives on detail, who leads naturally, and who needs space to create helps prevent tension and improves collaboration. He also advises journaling weekly wins as a habit. This reflection process helps leaders recognise how far they've come, reinforces confidence, and resets their mindset for the next challenge. Throughout the episode, Ian brings together mindset and action in a way that is both motivational and practical. He reminds MSP owners that affirmations and belief alone are not enough. They must be followed by structure, discipline, and consistent action. Change begins by catching negative language in the moment and reframing it into something constructive. It continues through small daily habits that reinforce confidence and leadership presence By the end of the episode, the message is clear: change your language, change your business, change your life. Belief fuels behaviour, and behaviour drives results. Every MSP owner has the potential to lead with strength and clarity, but it starts with internal dialogue. The silent language you use can either keep you stuck or propel you forward. This episode is a reminder that success begins between your ears. When you build a habit of positive language, surround yourself with the right people, and empower your team to take ownership, you create the foundation for sustainable MSP growth. Whether you are aiming for your first million or scaling towards five, the mindset principles shared here are the groundwork for everything that follows. Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon! 

1. Control through clarity  When your business starts growing faster, the natural reaction is to hold on tighter. You try to stay in every detail because it feels safer. The problem is that this habit quickly turns you into the bottleneck.  The solution is targeted delegation supported by simple and clear processes. I encourage MSP leaders to split their work into three levels. The first level is low-value work that an assistant or automation can handle. The second level is management work that belongs to team leaders who take responsibility for outcomes. The third level is strategic work where you think, decide, and set the direction of the business. When you move the low-value work off your plate, you free up space for the tasks only you can do. At The MSP Growth Hub, we coach this every week because most breakthroughs begin with this single decision. If it is a ten-pound task, automate it or assign it. If it is leadership, delegate it with trust and clarity. If it is strategic, book it in your diary and protect that time. This step alone moves owners out of the weeds and starts a chain reaction that leads to MSP success. 2. Energy before efficiency  True MSP success does not come from working longer hours or pushing through with caffeine and willpower. It comes from leading with energy and clarity. Many business owners push through exhaustion for months and wonder why their judgement slips and patience fades. The MSPs that sustain long-term success treat health as part of the business plan. They sleep properly, take breaks, exercise, and protect their recovery time. They plan holidays early, share the load with capable teams, and use metrics to stay out of constant firefighting. A tired leader makes slow and reactive choices. A rested leader sets one clear priority, communicates it well, and allows the system to deliver results.  3. Build a culture that carries weight  Your team will always mirror your energy. If you appear frantic, they will behave the same way. If you hold back decisions, they will queue at your door. The fix is leadership with clarity and trust.  Share the vision of the business and make sure every team member knows what success looks like. Place your strongest people in the areas where they have the biggest impact. Coach the middle performers to raise their standard and move on those who are not aligned. When the right people own the right roles, delivery becomes smoother, projects complete on time, and clients feel well looked after.  4. Make numbers visible  When pressure rises, your feelings can lie to you, but your numbers will always tell the truth. Build a weekly one-page dashboard that covers tickets, project milestones, sales pipeline, client satisfaction, and team capacity. Review it at the same time every week. When all the numbers are on track, take time to rest. When one number starts to slip, focus on it until it returns to normal. This rhythm keeps your business stable and your mind clear. Leaders who manage from a simple, visible scorecard protect both their profits and their peace of mind.  5. Plan thinking time  The most successful MSP owners schedule time to work on the business, not just in it. Create ninety-minute blocks each week to review progress, improve processes, and remove friction. Invite a team leader into one of these sessions and ask them to improve one small step in a key process. Document the change and share it with the wider team. Over time, you will remove dozens of small frustrations that waste hours. Many owners find this habit alone frees up their evenings and restores their balance.  6. Protect your downtime  Book your holidays in advance and treat them with the same importance as a major client project. Two weeks before you go, run a readiness drill. Confirm who covers what, check all access and systems, and prepare client communications. When you do this, the team gains confidence, clients feel secure, and you return refreshed and ready to make sharper decisions. Success without structure eventually damages well-being and client experience. Structure with heart delivers both growth and calm.  So this week, make it practical. Move one low-value task off your plate. Build one simple dashboard to review each Friday. Schedule one ninety-minute strategy block. Share one clear expectation with a team member and give them space to meet it.  At The MSP Growth Hub, we have seen these habits transform owners from busy to balanced and unlock real MSP success. If this episode resonated with you, reach out and tell us where growth has started to pinch your time or energy. The team and I can help you install the systems that protect performance and reduce stress.  You deserve an MSP that serves clients brilliantly, creates opportunities for your people, and gives you the freedom to enjoy the life you are building. That is what true MSP success looks like. Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy. Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

The reality is that many MSPs grow through referrals and good account management. That, in itself, is not a bad thing, but when the business matures, you can find yourself in a position where a single client represents 30, 40, even 50 percent of your revenue. They may also be one of your most profitable accounts, so the dependency is even greater. If that client gets bought, merges, or decides to build an internal IT team, you are left exposed. Worse still, if they go bust, you're not only losing revenue but also carrying the burden of licences, subscriptions, and staff wages with no way to cover them. This is the sort of chain reaction that can force redundancies, damage your confidence, and undo years of hard work building your technical team. It is not only about operational pain either. From a valuation perspective, client concentration is a red flag. Any potential investor or acquirer will be put off if they see that one client represents too much of your turnover. Even if your profitability is strong, your valuation can collapse overnight if this risk is present. That's why managing concentration is so critical for an MSP that is serious about scaling and building long-term transferable value. So, what can you do about it? The first step is to track revenue concentration carefully. Aim to keep any single client below 20 to 25 percent of your total turnover. This doesn't mean you stop growing your large accounts, but it does mean you must actively nurture your smaller ones and bring in new larger clients to redress the balance. You also need to analyse profitability per client. Turnover is misleading if it is not supported by strong margins. A noisy client that consumes excessive service desk time may actually be one of your least profitable accounts, while a quieter one that steadily pays and adopts more of your stack could be a star performer. Break it down across support, subscriptions, projects, and hardware so you have a clear picture of where your profit truly sits. Building a growth plan around your client base is another powerful move. Upselling, cross-selling, and what's often called whitespace selling can transform profitability without chasing new business. List your services against each client and see where the gaps are. Many MSPs overlook this because they are too busy firefighting, yet it's one of the easiest ways to improve efficiency and increase turnover. Selling to people who already trust you will always be more effective than chasing cold prospects. Marketing plays a huge role here too. You cannot afford to stop and start your Marketing activity whenever you feel the pressure. Consistency is everything. Building a new client runway takes time and energy, and it is the only way to create predictable growth. The credibility, trust, and authority that comes with effective Marketing doesn't happen overnight, but once the engine is working it gives you resilience when a client leaves. Too many MSPs wait until they are in crisis mode to switch Marketing back on, only to find that it's far too late to plug the gap.  Account management also needs to be taken seriously. Strong client relationships not only increase revenue but also help you spot risks early. Assigning account managers means you have people acting as the eyes and ears of the business, looking for new opportunities and changes in client circumstances. Focus your attention on accounts that are profitable and likely to grow. Sometimes the small clients today are the ones that explode tomorrow, and you want to be there when they do.  Once you start putting these practices into place, the benefits compound. You sleep better at night because you're no longer reliant on one client to keep the lights on. You build predictable growth because your Marketing engine is consistent, and your client portfolio is balanced. You increase your valuation because you're spreading risk and demonstrating resilience. Most importantly, you gain the confidence to invest in your people, in automation, and even in acquisitions that can further dilute your concentration risk.  The message here is simple: don't let one client hold your business hostage. Analyse your profitability, manage your client concentration, keep your Marketing consistent, and strengthen your account management. When you do this, you protect your business, protect your team, and create the foundation to scale on your terms. This is how you build a business that works for you rather than you for it.  That's what this episode of the IT Experts Podcast is all about. It's not about fear, it's about taking control. Because the sooner you address this risk, the stronger and more valuable your MSP will become.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

Stuart and I opened the room with a simple truth. Progress comes from consistency. The Intensive works because it anchors everyone to a living plan that links a three-to-five-year vision to an annual focus and down to a current sixteen-week sprint. When owners follow the process, complete their dashboards, and show up to the weekly rhythm, results compound. The Intensive is where that discipline gets renewed. People sit with peers, compare notes, and see with fresh eyes that the next leap is in reach when the right activity happens in the right order.  A major theme this time was sales and marketing as part of our Scale with Confidence model. Many owners had been waiting for a perfect moment to build a pipeline engine. The Intensive reminded everyone that the engine starts turning when daily activity is tracked, reviewed, and refined. We unveiled a refreshed New Client Runway roadmap that simplifies the work into three plain steps with clear sub steps, templates, and ownership. The reaction in the room said it all. Heads were nodding. Teams could see what to do, when to do it, and who would lead each piece. Confusion lifted and energy rose because the path was visible. That is the purpose of the Intensive. Remove guesswork and create momentum.  Leadership development featured strongly. Our leadership coach, Julie Hutchison, helped owners face a vital question. Who do I need to be to lead this next phase. Not only what do I need to do. The distinction matters. Doing solves tasks. Being sets culture, creates standards, and unlocks others. Julie also highlighted the power of partners in the room. Spouses and business partners arrived a little cautious then quickly felt welcomed as integral contributors. Once they saw where they fit in the plan they spoke up with insight and took ownership of the levers they can pull. The Intensive gave them a safe space to step forward. That is a win for alignment and a win for home life too. Finance was front and centre with our finance coach, Clare Elliott. Clare tied the sales and marketing conversation back to numbers that tell the truth. Run rate. Margins. Pipeline value by stage. Activity to meeting to proposal to sale. She challenged everyone to share financial targets with their teams so the whole business can rally. One client set a monthly target, shared it openly, and within forty-eight hours the gap narrowed to a few thousand pounds as the team pulled together. Another client crossed their million-pound milestone during the event. The cheer that went up summed up the spirit of the Intensive. Clear targets, shared ownership, and collective pride in progress.  Across the tables a pattern emerged. Several owners felt overwhelmed even as the business was growing fast. They were in the thick of success and could not see the wood for the trees. The solution in the room was practical and calm. Step up to thirty thousand feet. Look back at how far you have come. Reconnect to the plan. Trim distractions. Commit to three priorities for the next sixteen weeks and move everything else to the later list. The Intensive created that breathing space. People left lighter because they made decisions and booked actions with dates and names against them.  Community remains a secret weapon. The infamous quiz returned. Shirt of the day became a thing. Laughter flowed. Underneath the fun sits a very real benefit. Owners discover they are not alone. They swap playbooks, borrow templates, and set up follow up calls across the room. New friendships form that carry accountability far beyond the two days. The Intensive is a serious working event with a generous dose of human connection. That balance is why people come back.  My own light bulb moments were clear. First, our support tracks are landing. Transform Your Profits, Team Performance Engine, Future Leaders, and the marketing implementation track are lifting capability across the community. Owners are not only learning frameworks. Their finance leads, marketing coordinators, and service managers are in the room learning the same language and building the same muscle. Second, our refreshed marketing roadmap removed friction. When people see the journey end to end, confidence goes up and action follows. Third, the message we share with the wider market needs to meet owners at the point where many decide to change. A large client leaves. A key staff member moves on. A retirement horizon becomes real. The Intensive surfaced that pattern again and it will inform our outreach so we can help at the right moment. To close, here is the essence of this episode and of the Intensive. Scaling an MSP is a process. Know your numbers. Build a plan you believe in. Execute the right activities in a steady rhythm. Develop leaders who can think and act without you. Share targets so your team can win with you. Surround yourself with a community that will cheer you on and hold you to account. The September Client Intensive delivered all of that. Plans were refreshed, confidence was renewed, and the ripple effect will show up in better weeks, stronger months, and a more valuable business. If you want your MSP to move from busy to purposeful and from hope to a clear path, the Intensive is where that shift begins and where it gets reinforced every time we come together.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

Running an MSP can feel like a whirlwind of tickets, meetings, and decisions. This episode sets out a calm, workable route to operations that hum. Start with a clear plan that covers financials, growth, structure, and how each role fits. Communicate it well. Give every person a role profile, a scorecard, and clear expectations. When people know what they own and when to seek support, accountability rises, and your MSP becomes consistent and easier to lead. One of the key themes in this conversation is how important it is to have a clear plan. Without a plan, everything in the business defaults back to you and that is the fastest way to become stuck in overwhelm. The plan has to cover financials, growth, organisational structure, and how each role in the business fits into that picture. From there, it is about clarity and communication. Everyone needs to know what their role is, what success looks like, and how their contribution connects with the bigger goal. This is where simple tools like role profiles, scorecards, and clear expectations come in. When your people understand the boundaries of what they can own, and where they need to seek help, you not only empower them but also create consistency and accountability. We also cover the challenge of marketing for MSPs. Marketing is often seen as something mysterious or even unnecessary if referrals are coming in. Yet the MSPs that are really building momentum are the ones who are treating marketing like a serious business function. They are committing time and money to it, understanding that marketing is not about instant results but about building an engine that delivers leads consistently over the long term. Many MSP owners are highly technical and want to see immediate returns. They hire engineers and within three months they are delivering results. That expectation does not translate to marketing and sales. These functions take longer to build, require consistency, and need ongoing investment of both money and attention. What works is starting with something simple, shipping it, and learning as you go. Instead of overthinking or waiting until everything is perfect, you put your message out into the market and then refine it based on feedback. This is exactly how successful software products are built, and the same principle applies to marketing your MSP. The important thing is to stick to the plan, avoid chopping and changing strategies every few months, and have patience with the process. As with all things in business, consistency wins. When you measure activities and outcomes in a meaningful way, you can track whether your marketing is leading to calls being booked and conversations being opened. We also talk about how so many MSPs fall into the trap of using the same vanilla phrases when they try to differentiate themselves. Phrases like "we partner with our customers" or "it is all about people" are heard by prospects again and again, and they lose all impact. What lands is clarity of journey, strong communication, and the quality of how you manage people. Show how your team works, how you lead, and how you make outcomes repeatable. That is what sets an MSP apart. The other big area we highlight is the role of leadership and succession. Too many MSP owners hold onto everything because they fear losing control or they are unsure whether their people are ready. The truth is, your next level of growth only comes when you create space for others to take ownership. Coach people to grow into responsibility even if the first pass is not perfect. Over time the team will surpass expectations, and you gain the headroom to focus on strategy, new services, or acquisitions. A useful analogy that comes up is around focus. If you go out every morning and hit the same tree five times with a sharp axe, eventually the tree will fall. If you scatter your energy across ten different trees, you never make progress. The same applies in your MSP. Pick the three or four priorities that will make the biggest impact, put everything else in what we call the Disney drawer, and only go back to it once those priorities are delivered. This approach not only gives you results, it also builds confidence in yourself and in your team as you see the wins accumulate.  The bottom line is simple. Create the plan, work the plan, and the plan will work. With consistency and discipline, you reclaim time, smooth out operations, and create the freedom to make the bigger moves that grow your MSP. Take a moment to review your own plan. Is it clear and visible? Does every person know their measures and next step? Are you investing enough time and money into Marketing so your MSP is not reliant on luck or referrals? Apply these lessons and you will move from overwhelm to overdrive with a business that feels lighter, faster, and far more predictable. Connect with Darren Strong through his LinkedIn by clicking HERE. You can also visit their website and learn more about Scalable by clicking HERE. Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.    Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

Over the last few days, I have had some powerful conversations with MSP owners about what really moves the needle when it comes to building a scalable and profitable business, and the truth is clear. A slick Marketing campaign will not compensate for weak processes, bottlenecks in delivery, or an MSP that still relies too heavily on the owner being needed in the day-to-day.  I share in this episode how the three key pillars of your MSP – direction and planning, building an effective and scalable team, and then sales and Marketing – need to be kept in balance. Too often the third pillar is where everyone wants to start, because it feels exciting to get leads and talk about growth. But the more valuable thing to do is to look under the bonnet and build out efficient processes, solid leadership, and an operating model that can run without you. This is what creates real transferable value. This is what buyers look for when they assess an MSP. It is not only about the turnover or the top line, it is about the EBITDA, the profit margins, the efficiency, and the strength of the team.  AI readiness was one of the big topics I covered, because while AI can speed things up, it cannot fix a broken help desk or replace processes that do not exist. If your MSP has gaps, inefficiencies, and inconsistent delivery, AI will only amplify the problem. Get your house in order first. Once your processes are mapped, optimised, and delegated, then AI can become the turbocharger for your business. Without that foundation, you risk being left behind while others take advantage of the efficiencies AI can deliver.  Another big theme is the importance of the EBITDA multipliers. I explained how improving operational efficiency, reducing client concentration, securing longer contracts, and getting the owner out of the daily grind can all add direct value to your MSP. Each of these improvements has the power to increase your multiplier and add significant chunks of value to your business. We are talking in terms of hundreds of thousands of pounds when these changes are applied. That is worth more than years of struggling with Marketing campaigns that may or may not deliver the return you hoped for.  I also shared some of the frustrations MSPs face when they stay stuck on tasks that are not theirs to do. Too many owners remain caught up in £10 an hour work when their real focus should be leading the business, coaching the team, and driving strategic value. Delegation is key here. Trust your team, cascade clear targets, and use operational scorecards to keep everyone aligned. When your team is empowered and accountable, the business can operate smoothly, clients are happier, and you can step back to focus on building value.  Retention and operational maturity came through as another strong theme. Before chasing more leads, make sure your existing clients are delighted, your service is slick, and your delivery model is predictable. When you strengthen the foundation of your MSP, you gain the confidence to grow without fear of cracks showing as you scale. Your numbers become clearer, your cashflow more predictable, and your stress levels drop. It is all about building a business that works for you rather than you for it.  The main point I wanted to drive home in this quick episode is that Marketing is not the silver bullet many think it is. Without strong processes, efficient systems, and a team that can operate without you, Marketing will only create more pressure. Instead, take the time to map your processes, delegate the right tasks, build operational scorecards, strengthen client retention, and then look at how AI can amplify it all. Once these foundations are in place, then Marketing will have the power to add real fuel to the fire. Until then, it can be a dangerous distraction that holds back your growth and keeps you stuck.  So this episode is a jab in the ribs for all MSP owners who feel the urge to throw everything at Marketing before their business is ready. Lift the bonnet, tune the engine, and make sure your MSP is efficient, profitable, and truly valuable. When you do that, not only does your EBITDA rise, but you also create the freedom of choice. Whether you want to grow, exit, or simply enjoy a business that runs smoothly without you, the outcome is far more rewarding. That is when you truly build an MSP that works for you, your team, and your clients.    Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

In this special episode Stuart and I take time to reflect on the milestones that have shaped our partnership, our clients, and the Growth Hub as a whole. We start right at the beginning when we first met. It was late in the Covid period and what started as a one-to-one conversation quickly turned into something much bigger. We realised that our values aligned, that our different personalities and skills would complement each other, and that together we could help more people, change more lives, and have a greater impact. That first milestone of recognising the power of working together has been the bedrock of what we do today.  We talk about how important it is for MSP owners to think about partnerships in their own business. Whether you are bringing in a shareholder, working with a potential acquisition partner, or developing your senior leadership team, you need both shared values and complementary skills. Stuart and I are very different in pace, approach, and thinking, but those differences have made the Growth Hub stronger. For MSPs the lesson is clear. Build a team where everyone brings something different to the table but is pulling in the same direction.  Another milestone was the integration of our frameworks, models, and clients. We both had our own ways of working and separate groups of clients when we joined forces. Instead of keeping things divided we decided to combine everything. We pulled together our systems, refined the content, and aligned everything around one shared approach. That was when the Scale with Confidence system really began to evolve. We also brought all our clients together, regardless of what they were paying at the time, and focused purely on delivering massive value. For MSP owners this mirrors what happens when you go through M&A or team integration. The milestone is not only in joining the businesses together but in aligning values, streamlining systems, and creating a single powerful client journey.  We also highlight the milestones in our marketing journey. Marketing to MSPs is not easy because you are busy, your world is changing quickly, and you are bombarded with content every day. What has made the difference for us is listening to what you tell us. Whether it is in coaching calls, events, or informal conversations, we listen to the problems MSP owners share and we turn those into practical content. That has led to a marketing machine that attracts the right people at the right time and makes sure we are having conversations that matter. The lesson here for MSPs is not to overcomplicate marketing. Think about how your clients want to be communicated with, meet them where they are in their journey, and build the right content to help them take the next step.  One of the most powerful milestones we discuss is the importance of future vision. Every MSP business will be sold one day. Whether you plan for it or not, whether it is to employees, family, or an external buyer, the day will come. The milestone is realising that you need to be building a saleable business today if you want to maximise value tomorrow. That means strong systems, predictable recurring revenue, clear leadership, and transferable value. Many MSP owners put this off until it is too late. The shift comes when you deliberately start to build a business that has value beyond you as the owner.  In this episode Stuart and I also share how our vision goes beyond the Growth Hub. We both have personal connections to supporting people with special needs and we are building towards creating a supported living initiative as part of our long-term legacy. That north star keeps us focused and reminds us that the work we do with MSPs is not only about revenue growth and EBITDA multiples. It is about creating businesses that enable owners to live their lives with purpose and choice.  250 episodes in, we are still as energised and committed as ever. The milestones so far have been significant, from our first meeting, to building the Growth Hub, to refining our frameworks, to helping dozens of ambitious MSPs scale with confidence. The future milestones are even bigger. Whether that is supporting more MSPs to reach the one million mark, helping those already there to accelerate to five million, or preparing owners for successful exits, our focus is clear.  We finish this episode by raising a glass to you, our listeners, clients, and supporters. Thank you for being part of this journey and for sharing your feedback, ideas, and encouragement. This podcast would not exist without you. Here is to the next 250 episodes, to more milestones that matter, and to helping even more MSP owners build businesses that give them freedom, impact, and fun.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon! 

Phil explained that Microsoft has made Copilot a central part of its roadmap. This means MSPs cannot afford to sit back and wait. If you are not leading your clients into Copilot, someone else will. That could mean losing accounts that you have worked hard to win. Phil shared how his own business moved from experimenting with ChatGPT into fully embedding Copilot across their development and operations. By doing so, they cut development cycles down to a fraction of the time. What used to take ten days is now done in a single day. That sort of productivity gain is not about gimmicks, it is about efficiency, growth, and having more capacity to serve clients better.  One of the big themes from our conversation was the need to link Copilot to ROI. Phil Hames emphasised that clients do not care about the tech in isolation, they care about outcomes. If you are speaking to an MD or FD, the language is about time saved, money protected, and revenue increased. A great example Phil shared was a systems integrator who said without Copilot he would need two assistants to handle the workload. That is the kind of proof point that matters in boardroom conversations. If MSPs focus on ROI, then Copilot becomes a way to open up strategic sales conversations instead of ending up as small talk at events.  We also talked about how to use Copilot to create professional service opportunities. Too often, MSPs risk giving it away by showing the wow factor without packaging it up. Phil outlined how readiness assessments can form the foundation. By reviewing secure scores, checking for malware, ensuring data backup practices are solid, and highlighting user adoption gaps, you immediately move the discussion into risk management and ongoing service delivery. He explained that the average secure score across Microsoft 365 tenants is barely above 50 per cent, and only a small minority get above 70 per cent. That means the majority of businesses are leaving themselves exposed. By positioning Copilot readiness alongside security and compliance, MSPs can frame projects that deliver real value and recurring service opportunities.  One of the most powerful ideas from Phil Hames was how to approach Copilot not as a standalone toy but as part of the wider Microsoft stack. That means choosing strategic projects with clients, solving real problems with measurable outcomes, and then wrapping managed services around them. He shared the story of an agricultural business that used AI to transform their call handling process. By capturing information automatically, decisions could be made faster, response times improved, and fewer staff were needed to handle the same volume. That is where Copilot creates ROI. MSPs who take this approach will have clear case studies to take to prospects and new markets.  We also explored the risk conversation. Many MSPs worry about how to move from talking about features to talking about business value. A practical way is to ask a client to outline their biggest business risks. If IT is not near the top, that raises alarms in itself. By integrating Copilot into this discussion, MSPs can highlight how unprotected data, misconfigured SharePoint access, or weak security controls can turn new AI functionality into a huge vulnerability. As Phil put it, switching on Copilot without readiness is like leaving the office door wide open overnight. This makes the need for ongoing management, monitoring, and support services absolutely clear.  Phil also encouraged MSPs to think about specialisation. If you build a Copilot project in one sector, do not reinvent the wheel for the next client. Package it up, document it, and replicate it across similar businesses. This approach means MSPs can build repeatable services, increase margins, and create frameworks that scale. It is the same principle as writing a book that sells thousands of copies instead of a single edition. By niching down, you can become the go to provider for that sector's AI and Copilot needs.  As we wrapped up the conversation, Phil Hames outlined three clear actions for MSPs. First, use Copilot internally so you have credibility and real stories to share. Second, package your offering so it is not only about licences but about readiness, adoption, and measurable usage. Third, keep ROI at the centre of every conversation. Without showing return on investment, clients will not stay engaged and you will miss the chance to build lasting value.  This episode was packed with practical insight that every MSP can take away. Copilot is not a passing trend, it is a core part of Microsoft's future and therefore a core part of the MSP service stack. If you approach it with the mindset of ROI, risk management, and repeatable solutions, then it becomes a gateway to bigger projects, stronger client relationships, and more profitable services. Phil Hames summed it up perfectly: if you are not in AI, how are you going to be in IT? It is time to embrace Copilot, not as a gimmick, but as a tool for growth, security, and long term client value.  Reach out to Phil Hames by visiting the TBSC website, just click HERE, or you can also email him directly at p.hames@tbsc.cloud  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

We began by talking about the misconception that AI is a silver bullet that can be dropped into any MSP and instantly transform it. Jamie explained that AI on its own is like a brain in a jar, full of potential but not connected to anything. Automation on the other hand is like the hands, the part that does the work. When you combine the two, you get intelligent automation and that is where the real business value sits. The challenge for MSPs is not to get caught up in the marketing hype but to understand what AI really is and how it can be applied in practical ways to drive efficiency and profitability.  Jamie shared his perspective from running his own MSP for more than 25 years and highlighted that most MSP owners are being bombarded with terms like AI, automation, and intelligent automation without any clear definitions. He broke it down simply, helping us see that the language being used is part of the problem. Clients often say they want AI to solve something, but in reality, they mean automation. This is why clarity is so important for MSPs if they want to build trust with their clients and not get lost in the buzzwords.  One of the strongest points in the conversation was that AI will not fix a broken process. If your MSP has unclear or inefficient processes, then adding AI or automation on top will only make a bad situation worse and faster. Jamie encouraged MSP owners to start by mapping out their processes clearly, whether that is on a whiteboard or with sticky notes on a wall. Get the people who are involved in those processes to contribute so that you build an accurate picture of what really happens in your business. Only then can you decide which parts of the process could benefit from automation and where AI might add intelligence.  We also talked about the need for MSPs to adapt. Internally, MSPs need to be using automation and AI to improve the way they work, because competitors are already doing so. Externally, MSPs need to be ready to support their clients with education, guidance, and delivery of AI solutions. If they are not, then clients will go elsewhere and potentially move their entire IT relationship with them. The message was clear: adapt or risk being left behind.  Another important area we explored was the role of people. There is a fear that lower-level engineering roles in MSPs will disappear because AI and automation will take them over. Jamie's view is that while some tasks will be automated, the human element will always remain essential. Clients want to hear a human voice, particularly when something goes wrong, and they want to feel reassured that someone is standing alongside them. This is what builds trust and delivers the kind of service experience that creates long-term loyalty. Automation and AI should be used to enhance productivity and free up time for teams to focus on more valuable work, not as a replacement for people.  Jamie also shared practical advice for MSPs on where to start. Do not attempt to automate the most complex processes first. Instead, look for low complexity and high benefit wins. These might be gathering information into systems or notifying clients of ticket progress. These areas are often simpler to automate and can deliver quick results, creating momentum for bigger changes later on. He explained his gains methodology that looks at gathering, action, intelligence, and notify steps in processes, with the best starting points often being the gathering or notifying stages rather than jumping straight into the intelligence part.  We closed the conversation with some reflections on the future of MSPs in a world increasingly shaped by AI. Jamie's prediction is that MSPs will either embrace automation and AI as part of their service or risk being displaced by companies who do. He also believes there will be a convergence, where clients expect MSPs to deliver both IT support and automation services. Those MSPs who can educate their clients, deliver meaningful improvements, and keep the human touch will thrive.  This episode is a powerful reminder that AI in your MSP is not something to fear but something to understand properly. If you approach it with clarity, focus on your processes, involve your people, and take it step by step, then you can harness its potential to create a stronger, more efficient, and more valuable business. AI is not a magic fix, but in the right hands and with the right mindset, it can be a game changer for MSPs who are willing to adapt and lead their clients with confidence.  Connect with Jamie Claret through his LinkedIn HERE or if you want to learn more about Autonomate, feel free to visit their website HERE  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!  

Neil is not someone who talks theory without having walked the walk. With over 30 years in the IT industry, including seven and a half years running a highly successful MSP in the East Midlands, Neil has experienced the highs, the challenges, and the pivotal moments that make all the difference when scaling a business. His MSP grew to around 300 clients, a 35-strong team, and was turning over close to £5 million by the time he exited earlier this year. Now through MSP Clarity, Neil helps other MSP owners gain the direction and focus they need to grow and scale effectively.  We dig into the lessons Neil wishes he had applied earlier and the big shifts that brought the most impact. One of his strongest messages is the need to define your offering early and price it with structure. Too many MSPs start with finger-in-the-air pricing, lose track as clients scale, and fail to set clear rate cards. Neil also stresses the value of building your brand and tone of voice early, getting clear on who you serve, why you serve them, and how you communicate that. He is adamant that MSP Marketing is not about vague "we do IT" messages or chasing every business with a computer, but about being specific and showing genuine understanding of your target market. In his case, focusing on accountants and solicitors played to his team's strengths and created a reputation that brought in higher quality leads.  We explore the pitfalls MSPs fall into, including relying solely on referrals, neglecting their websites, using fear-based tactics, overpromising and underdelivering, spamming LinkedIn messages, and failing to follow up leads consistently. Neil explains why traditional marketing often fails for MSPs, and why the key is building a long-term journey for prospects with consistent, value-adding touch points. The most successful MSP Marketing is about staying visible and relevant over time, understanding that some prospects will take months or even years to convert. He also highlights the importance of making the most of your existing client base, tracking what products or services they are not yet buying from you, and approaching them with solutions that genuinely improve their business.  We then move into Neil's top do's for MSP Marketing, starting with defining your ideal client profile and focusing on business outcomes rather than tech specs. He champions the use of case studies and testimonials as powerful social proof, creating helpful educational content to empower clients, and leveraging tools like local SEO and Google Business profiles to make it easier for people to find and trust you. He is a big believer in building strong referral and partner programmes, using LinkedIn for consistent outreach and brand building, and nurturing leads with purposeful email sequences that move them closer to a decision. Throughout, Neil emphasises the need to track the metrics that matter and to align marketing with your sales process so that what is promised is delivered exactly as expected.  What comes through clearly in this conversation is that good MSP Marketing is not about gimmicks or quick wins. It is about clarity, consistency, and doing the basics exceptionally well. Neil's advice is to know your market, communicate clearly, keep showing up, and make every client interaction a demonstration of the value you bring. His three closing tips are to use a whitespace matrix to uncover quick wins with your current clients, niche down to the sectors you enjoy and excel in, and simply keep doing the job you are paid to do better than the competition.  Whether you are just starting to build your marketing strategy or you are looking to refine and scale what is already working, this episode is packed with practical tips you can apply straight away. Neil Shaw's experience and straight-talking approach make it a must-listen for any MSP owner serious about creating marketing that actually delivers results. If you are ready to cut through the noise and focus on what really works in MSP Marketing, this conversation will give you the clarity and confidence to make it happen.  Reach out to Neil Shaw by sending him an email at neil@mspclarity.co.uk or connect with him on LinkedIn by clicking HERE.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

From the outset, we explored the pressures and mental blocks that many MSP owners face when trying to scale their business. Mark spoke openly about the fears that hold MSP leaders back, especially those "little voices" in our heads that tell us to stick with what we know. These ingrained habits often stem from childhood or past experiences and can sneak into the way we lead, even if they no longer serve us. Mark shared a great story about how, despite knowing it made little sense, he still puts his teacup away upside down because that's the way his nan did it. This idea of unconscious habits translates directly into MSP businesses. Far too many business owners find themselves stuck in ways of working simply because "it's always been done that way." This can be a huge barrier to scale.  Mark opened up about his own journey as an MSP owner, and the shift he had to make from being the technical doer to becoming a real leader. He described how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking you have to control everything, which is often rooted in ego. It takes real self-awareness to admit you cannot do everything yourself if you want your MSP to scale. Mark recommended reading "Ego is the Enemy" to anyone in a leadership position. He pointed out that while confidence gets you started, ego can hold you back, especially when it comes to recruiting and trusting new team members. If you want to scale your MSP, you need to learn to delegate, trust your team, and stop micromanaging. It is only when you truly let go and empower others that the business can scale without you being the bottleneck.  One of the major breakthroughs Mark discussed was the moment he realised that rapid staff turnover was blocking his ability to scale. After the instability of COVID, Mark's MSP was not set up for sustainable monthly recurring revenue, and this created a lot of stress and financial pressure. When he looked back 18 months ago, he saw that the key to unlocking scale was not charging ahead with sales or new projects, but actually slowing down and building a solid foundation with the right people, processes, and a strong people-first culture.  Mark stressed the importance of getting clear on your vision, mission, and values as an MSP. He explained that staff retention and engagement skyrocketed when he invested time in making these principles central to his business. He shared how regular "staff rhythm and review" sessions became a game changer. Instead of the old three-month probation, new staff now get a six-month induction and then join quarterly reviews that align with company objectives. Every team member knows how their work supports the bigger picture. Mark has seen first-hand how this level of clarity helps an MSP scale faster, because the team are all moving in the same direction and feel valued.  Another powerful tip was the need for welfare checks and genuine care for staff wellbeing. Mark talked about introducing regular check-ins, recognising when someone is struggling, and creating a safe environment for people to speak up. This shift away from the old "get on with it" mentality, which so many MSP owners grew up with, allows team members to bring their best selves to work and prevents issues from growing in the background. A happy, motivated team is the heartbeat of any MSP, and looking after your people is one of the fastest ways to scale.  Throughout the episode, we discussed how letting go of old habits and beliefs, trusting your team, and investing in leadership development are all non-negotiable for any MSP owner wanting to scale. Mark's story shows that real scale happens when you slow down, review the bottlenecks in your business, and then deliberately build systems and accountability around them. He shared examples of how this approach improved everything from customer satisfaction to quotation processing, quality control, and ultimately staff retention. The result is not only a more productive business, but one that people genuinely want to be part of.  We wrapped up with Mark's three top tips for any MSP owner ready to begin their own journey to scale. First, find someone you respect to give honest feedback on your leadership style and be willing to listen. Second, have vulnerable, open conversations with your team and do not be afraid to make tough decisions if the fit is not right. Third, make your workplace enjoyable, people-centred, and share the vision with everyone. Mark's journey is proof that slowing down is not a sign of weakness, but the fastest way to truly scale your MSP. His story reminds us all that when you look after your people, build great systems, and keep your ego in check, scaling your MSP becomes not just possible, but inevitable. Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

Helen Sanders brings over 25 years' experience in recruitment, working closely with MSPs and tech businesses both in the UK and the US. Helen has built her reputation on helping owner-managed businesses move from frantic, last-minute hires to building confident, structured recruitment processes that allow owners to grow their teams with purpose and clarity. Her passion is helping business owners become great at hiring and creating environments where both owners and new recruits enjoy the process and stay for the long term.  One of the biggest problems we see in the MSP world is the temptation to bring in someone who can do a bit of everything. This "Swiss Army knife" mentality can seem appealing when the team is small and the need is urgent, but as Helen Sanders shares, it often leads to burnout, lack of clarity, and a team culture where people end up firefighting rather than thriving. Panic hiring is all too common and often ends in tears, both for the owner and the team. Helen is a firm believer that you are always better off taking your time, defining exactly who you need, and being prepared to wait for the right person.  Helen Sanders emphasises the importance of hiring for the person first, and the skills second. The strongest MSPs are those that are crystal clear on their culture, their values, and the kind of learning mindset they want in every team member. Helen's advice is to look for people who are hungry to learn, who are actively seeking out new skills, and who naturally fit the business's way of doing things. The technical requirements are important, but these can be trained if you get the values fit right. If you build a team of the right people, the skills and roles will take care of themselves as the business grows.  Another key insight Helen Sanders shared is the idea of always being on the lookout for talent, even if you are not actively recruiting. Rather than collecting CVs and waiting until you are desperate for a new hire, she recommends building relationships, keeping a warm list of potential candidates, and treating these relationships in the same way you nurture prospects in your sales pipeline. By keeping in touch and offering value, even when there is no job available, you position your MSP as a place people want to work, and you make it much easier to hire well when the need arises.  The conversation also explored how recruitment is no different from client onboarding. Helen Sanders points out that too many MSPs invest heavily in client experience, but then neglect the onboarding and experience of their new team members. This can result in a disconnect between what was promised in the recruitment process and what is delivered on day one. Helen recommends building a robust, people-first onboarding process that starts before the new hire arrives and continues throughout their career with you. This not only sets the tone for a great working relationship but also encourages new team members to refer others, strengthening your recruitment pipeline for the future.  Building trust throughout the hiring process is vital. As Helen Sanders highlights, trust is created through multiple touchpoints and involving the wider team in the process. This could mean inviting potential hires to informal team coffees, shadowing days, or non-interview meetings to see how they interact with the culture and values of the business. It takes the pressure off the traditional interview format and allows both sides to get a genuine feel for each other. Helen also shared that showing vulnerability as a business owner and being open about the journey can make a huge difference in attracting the right people.  We finished the episode reflecting on the importance of succession planning and building a business that does not rely solely on the owner. Helen Sanders offered practical advice on creating a deliberate, step-by-step plan for removing yourself from day-to-day roles over a three-year period, focusing on spinning fewer plates, and empowering others to step up. This is the key to building a scalable and sellable MSP, where the value lies in the team and the systems rather than the founder.  Connect with Helen Sanders through her LinkedIn profile by clicking HERE or send her an email directly at helen@talentjetgroup.com   Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!  

Graham Stead knows a thing or two about MSPs. He ran his own for over 20 years before selling it in 2016, and since then he's been leading sales and marketing teams and helping other MSP owners make better decisions, build stronger habits and get more sales. It was great to hear his story and experience, but more importantly, we unpacked the very specific actions MSPs can take to improve their sales performance by changing what they do every day.  One of the first standout moments in our conversation was when I asked Graham the number one thing MSPs need to do to get more sales. Without hesitation, he said, change their behaviour. Not build a pipeline, not sort out their marketing. Change their behaviour. And that really stuck with me. Because as Graham explained, it's not about what happens at the end of the sales process, it's what happens every day, every week, in the run up to that conversation. He used a brilliant analogy with Usain Bolt. Bolt doesn't win because he sprints the final 2 metres the hardest. He wins because of the four years of training, nutrition and planning that lead up to that 10 second race. And it's exactly the same in MSP sales.  Graham Stead shared some incredibly valuable insights around time management. One of his most powerful tools is something he calls the cookbook. A simple weekly spreadsheet where you track your sales activities. It sounds basic, but most MSPs who try it realise they are doing far less outreach and demand creation than they thought. And it's that consistency, those small daily actions, that create real momentum. Whether that's reaching out to a client contact, following up with a lead or booking a new meeting, it all adds up. Graham reminded us that building this habit might only start with 15 minutes a day. But it needs to be done consistently, and it needs to be protected. If something gets in the way, double up the following day. That's how new habits stick.  We also talked about the importance of linking your sales behaviour to your bigger goals. If you're not clear on your personal why, whether that's retiring well, supporting your family or simply building a business you're proud of, it becomes far too easy to skip the sales work and stay in your comfort zone. Graham Stead was very clear here. Connect your daily activity to your future goals and the motivation to do the work becomes far stronger.  The episode also covered four powerful sales habits that every MSP should adopt. The first was the demand creation habit. This is about creating conversations and building relationships, not just waiting for inbound leads. Graham gave some practical examples of how expanding your contact base within existing clients can lead to real value. If you're only speaking to the MD, you're missing opportunities with heads of department who have their own tech needs and budgets.  The second was the qualification habit. Time is your most valuable resource, so stop chasing poor fits. Graham shared the mindset shift of looking for reasons not to work with a prospect, respectfully and early. That simple shift can protect your time and help you focus on the right opportunities.  The third was the effective questioning habit. Better questions lead to bigger orders. But it's not only about what you ask, it's about learning from each conversation. Graham Stead encouraged us to create a bank of useful questions, review sales calls and continuously improve. Whether the deal was won or lost, there's always a lesson.  And finally, the agreed next steps habit. Sales momentum comes from clarity and commitment. Every meeting needs a clear purpose, a next step and an action plan. Graham also highlighted the importance of accountability. Whether it's a colleague, coach or peer, having someone to hold you to your habits can make all the difference.  This was one of those episodes that really brings together mindset and action. Graham Stead didn't talk in theory. He brought practical, easy-to-implement habits that make a measurable difference in sales performance. If you're an MSP owner stuck in the weeds, finding it hard to build a consistent pipeline or frustrated with unpredictable sales, this episode will give you the tools to get back in control.  You can connect with Graham Stead on LinkedIn by clicking HERE, and follow his updates from Growth Habits and book an advisory call if you want more tailored advice on changing your own sales behaviour.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon! 

Ali Stewart has worked with hundreds of businesses, including many MSPs, guiding individuals and teams to make leadership a way of life, not a job title. She explains that leadership is not something you do now and again. It is a consistent, ongoing commitment to developing people and helping them unlock their potential. This is especially important for MSPs, where many business owners are technical by background and find themselves needing to evolve into leaders as the business grows. You start as a doer, then become a manager, and before long, the success of your MSP depends on your ability to lead, delegate and inspire others.  During our chat, Ali shared a powerful distinction that really stuck with me. Managers light a fire beneath. Leaders light a fire within. It sums up the difference perfectly. Managing is about task and control. Leading is about vision, belief and unlocking the greatness in others. That is a mindset shift every ambitious MSP owner needs to make. It is not about being in charge. It is about empowering others to step up.  Ali also walked us through her four-step leadership process which starts with visioning. And if you are an MSP leader who is waiting for someone to give you a vision, think again. You need to create one for yourself and your team. It does not need to be grand or complex, but it does need to answer the question: why are we here and where are we heading?   Once that is in place, it becomes about consistency, communication and mobilising your people. That means being crystal clear on expectations and diagnosing performance challenges early. The third stage of Ali's framework is all about development. Investing time and energy in people and helping them grow. And finally, the fourth stage is about letting go. That is where many MSP leaders get stuck.  We both agreed that one of the biggest hurdles for MSPs trying to move from manager to leader is their inability to stop doing the task. They have grown their business by being in the weeds, and now they need to build a team that can run it without them. It is uncomfortable. It feels risky. But the truth is, you cannot lead if you will not let go. And if you are the bottleneck in your MSP, it is time to acknowledge it and do something about it.  Ali Stewart offered a key insight for aspiring leaders in MSPs. Do not wait to be given the title or the role. Start acting like the leader you want to become. Model the behaviours of people you admire. Learn the skills. Invest in yourself. And be willing to go through the journey of change and development. Leadership is not about being the most capable technically. It is about being the person who brings out the best in others. It is about consistency, clarity and courage.  We also explored what high-performing teams really look like. And again, the message was clear. If your team is doing well today, that is great. But if you want them to stay high performing, you need to keep investing in them. That means regular reviews, proper recognition, meaningful conversations and showing up as a leader who cares.   Recognition, as Ali reminded us, is one of the most powerful tools in your leadership toolkit. And it is free. A sincere thank you, a moment of appreciation, and showing people they are seen and valued can have a bigger impact than any bonus or pay rise.  This episode is a must-listen for any MSP owner or senior team member who wants to create a business that works without them. If you are stuck in delivery, firefighting daily issues, or finding it hard to trust your team to take over, this conversation will help you see what needs to change. Ali Stewart has worked with hundreds of MSPs to help them make these transitions successfully, and the insights she shares here are packed with value and inspiration.  As ever, the key is to follow the process. Step out of the weeds. Develop your people. Create the space to think. And lead from the front.  If you want to learn more about her work and how she is helping MSPs and business leaders build stronger, people-first cultures, head to https://www.linkedin.com/company/ali-stewart-&-co/. There is so much more to learn from her and the tools she has developed. Or you can also connect with Ali Stewart through her LinkedIn by clicking HERE.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide, a free guide that walks you through a proven process to take your MSP from stuck to scalable, without working even more hours. It's 44 pages rammed with advice, insights and inspiration to help you decide what support is available to you now if you want to grow and scale your business. Click HERE to get your copy.  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I'll catch up with you soon!   

Scott Riley has worked with MSPs for over six years, helping them tighten up their security practices and take real control of their 365 tenancies. In this episode, be prepared for the shift in mindset that Scott encourages. The idea that you are too small or not interesting enough to be a target is no longer valid. The reality is that attackers are not selective. They cast a wide net. If your MSP gets breached, the damage can extend far beyond email. Your PSA, RMM, partner centre, licence platforms, password vaults, and all client environments are at risk.  Scott Riley explains that token theft is one of the most common attack methods in play right now. A stolen login token can allow someone to log in as you without being challenged. If your global admin account is tied to your day-to-day login, the attacker has immediate access to your critical systems. Many MSPs still store MFA tokens inside password managers alongside usernames and passwords. It might seem convenient, but it undermines the whole point of multi-factor authentication.  We explore the emotional and financial consequences of a breach. Scott shares a real-life case where criminals sat silently inside a business email system, watching communication styles and eventually mimicking the MD's tone to authorise fraudulent payments. The losses started small but escalated quickly. These attacks are personal and targeted. For a small business, losing six thousand pounds can be the difference between making payroll and laying people off.  Scott stresses the importance of making this real for clients. He talks about positioning cybersecurity not as a technical need but as a business-critical risk conversation. Instead of relying on fear or jargon, help clients picture the consequences. What would happen if they were locked out of systems, lost money, or lost their reputation? Clients need to be educated through impact-based questions and examples they can relate to.  We also cover the responsibility that MSPs carry themselves. Cybersecurity starts with you. It must be owned by the business and led from the top. While the technical work can be delegated, the responsibility cannot be passed on. Regular reviews, clear security standards, and the discipline to follow them are essential. Inside Agent, Scott's platform, helps MSPs quickly assess their Microsoft 365 environments and bring them up to best practice. It gives a live compliance score, offers guided fixes, and creates ongoing visibility. It is designed to simplify the process, not complicate it.  We discuss why compliance frameworks such as Cyber Essentials Plus should be a minimum standard, and how the upcoming UK Cybersecurity and Resilience Bill is going to push MSPs to meet new legal requirements. With MSPs being seen as part of critical national infrastructure, business owners need to ensure that their internal environments are secure and compliant, not just their clients' systems.  Scott Riley shares clear recommendations for securing 365 tenants. These include using hardware MFA tokens, enforcing location and device-based access policies, reviewing and removing unused app integrations, ensuring third parties such as accountants or offshore VAs have the right restrictions in place, and stopping the use of global admin accounts for daily operations. He encourages every MSP to sit with their team regularly and walk through breach scenarios to build internal clarity and confidence.  The message is simple. Know where you are exposed. Fix what needs to be fixed. Get independent validation to confirm it. This episode is full of practical, plain-speaking advice that any MSP can follow. Scott Riley brings clarity, urgency, and support to an area that often gets ignored or pushed to the bottom of the list. If you want to protect your business, your team, and your clients, this episode is the reminder you need to act today. Thank you, Scott, for bringing such clear value to this conversation.  Connect with Scott Riley on his LinkedIn profile by clicking HERE. Or you can also find out more about Inside Agent by clicking HERE.  Make sure to check out our Ultimate MSP Growth Guide HERE, and remember that the help is out there. You just have to go get it.    Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you're ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you'll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people, and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself, and I'll catch up with you soon!