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Leaving the theorizing out and exploring this strange phenomenon of being a human and a therapist. Abby and Kellee explore the embodied experience of neuroscience and authenticity in the therapy room.
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1Kellee and Abby dive into the problems with CEU’s across the field as a whole in this episode, but move specifically to discuss the Association of Play Therapy’s (APT) 12-hour in-person CEU requirement. Abby and Kellee express their opinion around the incongruence of APT’s DEI statement and their in-person CEU requirement. They go on further to explore the field’s origins of white supremacy, ableism, and problematic Western measures of learning, and the need for more expansive ways to deepen ...
Abby and Kellee talk through basics of looking for, applying for, and interviewing for your internship placement. They discuss the use of AI, and ways to use it appropriately in this process. Topics Touched on: Rupi Kaur Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/ https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com
Abby and Kellee explore how grief often accompanies goodbyes, and that goodbyes can also hold happiness and hope. They notice how endings and goodbyes can feel different for each therapist and each therapist/client dyad. They reflect on their own relationship with goodbyes in an out of the therapy space. Topics Touched on: Circle of Security- https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com Padraig O Tuama Maya Ward Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/ https://w...
Abby and Kellee recorded on 1/31/25 and began exploring how to hold space for marginalized clients who are impacted by executive orders and fear of or actual detainments of themselves and loved ones. Topics Touched on: Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition: https://coloradoimmigrant.org/ Decolonizing Therapy (Jaiya john): https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com Iain McGilchrist: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300245929/the-master-and-his-emissary/ Enough About You- Titus Kaphar: h...
Abby and Kellee jump into a new season with the new year. They explore the ebbs and flows of their rhythms over the last 5 years of recordings, and how they have shifted as healers. Abby and Kellee highlight the importance of slowing down, community, intentionality, and how “being with” is truly enough for our clients healing. Topics Touched on: Rebodying the Self of the Healer - REGISTER NOW: https://www.marshalllyles.com Maggie Smith’s poem- How Dark the Beginning: https://www.poetryf...
Abby and Kellee explore superiority, humility, arrogance, and how they show up for therapists. They give examples of how they have and do fall down this slippery slope (even while they record this episode) Abby and Kellee discuss the therapists’ parts of self that can show up in sessions where we may believe we are better and/or able to influence the outcomes for clients resulting in lack of true presence. How do we set this part aside to be fully curious? Topics Touched on: Adrie...
Abby and Kellee start to explore the word accountability and sift through their intention for the episode. They come to name self-reflection and community. Abby and Kellee talk authenticity and explore internalizing nurture from those in their community; which supports them in bringing this into the therapy space. They ask listeners to identify who they can be their truest self with; to practice authenticity and gain internalized nurturing that allows them to show up congruently with clients....
Abby and Kellee are back after some big technological struggles. They welcome the community back in and explore the theme of, withholding. They explore withholding EMDR from clients and withholding the truth from clients. Are therapists withholding for a true clinical reason or out of fear? Abby and Kellee ask therapists to ask themselves, “Why might I not be leaning into something that is right here in the room where someone’s nervous system might really benefit from me leaning in?” To...
Abby and Kellee get brave and venture into a topic that doesn’t seem openly talked about, feeling attraction to our clients. They share their own experience of this happening, normalize this experience, and explore the neuroscience that is happening when attraction happens. Topics Touched on: Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com The Whole Therapist Consultation Group: $50 per group. Capped at 8 participants each month. Follow us: https://www.ins...
Kellee and Abby are back from their holiday break! Join them for the Season 5 in another conversation, all about looooooove 💗. Their exploration is prompted by the question, “do we love our clients?” and, "must we?" Kellee and Abby muse about what it means to love, draw from some of Dr. Allan Schore's research, name the importance of therapist's doing their own parts work, and end with questions for listeners as they continue to do their own wondering. Topics Touched on: Dr. Allan Schor...
This episode explores all the ways in which we therapists don’t take the time off we need while encouraging our clients to take time off for self-care. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal struggles with taking time off, including the messages and narratives they tell themselves about when and how much time off they should take. They normalize how guilt can show up around this subject and emphasize how necessary and worthy we are of taking time for ourselves. Follow ...
Abby and Kellee touch on how important non-verbal communication is to the healing process for our clients in the therapy space. They share how words are the least important part of the healing process, and ways that non-verbal communication is so vital to attachment trauma work. The acknowledge this topic being hard to explore while using a podcast that involves all talking, and leave listeners with a practice they can do with nature, a pet, or a listening partner. Topics Touched ...
Abby and Kellee lean into discussing recent feedback they got on this podcast, and the parallel process that occurs in the therapy space. They explore work from Dan Siegel around “linkage and differentiation.” The two also discuss attachment strategies we all can fall into based on our own attachment histories with giving and receiving feedback. Topics Touched on: Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-...
Abby and Kellee spend time wandering through this episode exploring patience with parts of self for our clients, and for ourselves. They untangle the definition of patience, and what this really means in our work with clients. The two name the wandering that happens in this episode and explore what it feels like to be at the edge of their own work to help listeners begin to recognize when they too are at the edge of their work. Topics Touched on: Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurt...
Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how important the context of our client’s lives are. They discuss being attuned with that context versus pushing feelings away, offering coping skills and offering quick fixes. Being with is identified as the most important thing therapists can do first. Topics Touched on: Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com Marshall Lyles: https://w...
Abby and Kellee welcome listeners into community. They explore looking for a therapeutic home for therapists and clients alike. Abby and Kellee discuss balancing many therapeutic homes, finding “your people,” and journeying with them. They share the vulnerability that is present in seeking out community. Topics Touched on: Bonnie: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Lisa Dion: https://synergeticplaytherapy.com On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/ada-limon-to-be-made...
Abby and Kellee welcome listeners to season 4. The two share what they have been up to and begin to explore how therapists are in the presence of awe almost every day according to what Dacher Keltner defines as awe. Topics Touched on: On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/ Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com The Heart of Winter: https://sannawani.com/2022/02/01/booklight-04/ The Last of Us: https://www.hbo.com/the-la...
Abby and Kellee bid listeners farewell as they end season 3. They reflect on the year, talking about love and loss for clients, supervisees, consultees, friends, family, and themselves. They of course weave in IPNB and even some EMDR around theirs and others experiences this season, and this year, touching on integration and meaning making. Topics Touched on: Ways of Being by James Bridle: https://jamesbridle.com/books/ways-of-being Wintering by Katherine May: https://katherine-may.co.u...
Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how we know when we as therapists are taking clients' progress, lack of progress, emotions, behaviors, etc. personally. They share their own stories of taking it personal, and strategies that can support the therapist to move out of this space and back into attunement with the client. Topics Touched on: Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Follow us: https://www.i...
Abby and Kellee continue to wonder and wander their way through the multi-seasonal book series. Come laugh together under full moon energy in Chapter 5 of “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They model humility, uncertainty, and the importance of humor as we engage this emergent field. Topics Touched on: The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords...
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