Face to Face Podcast

Brian Zahnd on Christian Nationalism, the Kingdom of Jesus, and a More Beautiful Christianity | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 182   In episode 182 of the podcast, Melinda interviews pastor, author, and theologian Brian Zahnd (Word of Life Church, St. Joseph, Missouri), while co-host Cathy is absent due to losing her voice and shares updates on Immanuel Institute trainings and the standalone Understanding Trauma Course. Zahnd recounts leading one congregation for 44 years, the church's early rapid growth, and a major theological recalibration that moved them toward the Christian tradition and away from politicized rezligion—costing them about 1,500 people between roughly 2004–2014—followed by healing on a 40-day Camino de Santiago pilgrimage in 2016. The conversation contrasts the kingdom of Jesus with Christian nationalism, critiques reducing "Christian" to an adjective serving political agendas, and emphasizes that discipleship requires allegiance to Christ over nation while maintaining a church culture marked by kindness amid political differences. Zahnd centers his theology on "God is like Jesus," argues Jesus reveals God as Savior rather than saving us from God, commends the historic creeds as generous guardrails, and discusses leaning into the "beautiful" as cruciform Christianity, along with his books and an upcoming release, The Unseen Realm (May 19). 02:08 Meet Brian Zahnd: Pastor, Author, Pilgrim 04:05 44 Years at One Church: Calling, Team Leadership & Generations 07:56 A Midlife Faith Shift: From Mega-Growth to Recalibrating Christianity 10:48 Critiquing America, Losing 1500 People & Finding Healing on the Camino 13:39 Kingdom of Jesus vs. Christian Nationalism: Where Allegiance Belongs 19:29 America as Nation, Empire, and "Religion" + The Discipleship Challenge 24:37 'Christian Nation' Myths, Founding Fathers & Why You Can't Baptize a Country  27:33 Global Perspective: Sweden, Trump, Team-Sport Politics & Choosing Love  33:52 Creating a Kind Church Culture Across Political Differences 35:42 Seeing God Through Jesus (Not Culture or Politics) 37:14 John's Prologue: Why Jesus Is the Clearest Revelation of God 40:35 Undoing the 'Angry God' Imagination: Jesus Doesn't Save Us From God 43:44 Creeds, Control, and the 'Heretic' Label: Keeping Christianity Generous 47:04 Making Room for Mystery: Truth, Goodness, and the Power of Beauty 51:43 Cruciform Beauty in Practice: Open Hands, Leading Without Coercion 55:20 Staying With the Church: Family, Calling, and Local Influence 57:21 Books, New Release, and Reclaiming a Non-Escapist Heaven  01:02:40 What Christ Can Bless + The 'Christian' Label + A Final Blessing https://brianzahnd.com/

Welcome to another inspiring episode of the Face to Face Podcast. In episode 181, we are honored to introduce Jason Twombly, also known as the Heartsmith. Jason is a spiritual development coach working primarily with men to transform their pain into power, hurt into healing, and wounds into wisdom. Dive deep into discussions about emotional maturity, trauma processing, and the journey of healing with God. Discover how Jason's personal journey and professional guidance are helping men reconnect with their true selves and cultivate meaningful relationships. Join us for an exploration of vulnerability, emotional safety, and authentic living.    00:36 How to Get Involved with the Immanuel Institute 02:33 Introducing Jason Twombly: The Heartsmith 04:14 Jason's Journey and Work with Men 07:13 The Importance of Emotional Health for Men 10:19 Jason's Personal Transformation 13:29 Challenges and Breakthroughs in Emotional Healing 21:25 The Second Half of Life: Unlearning and Surrender 23:51 A Message for Men: Recognizing the Need for Help 25:12 Helping Men Rediscover Passion and Purpose 25:57 Transforming Pain into Power 27:29 The Importance of Vulnerability and Safe Spaces 28:10 Grief and Healing: A Personal Journey 31:51 The Role of Self-Leadership and Emotional Sovereignty 33:56 The Continuous Journey of Healing 35:22 The Power of Community and Relationships 42:40 The Abyss of the Heart: A Deeper Dive 43:38 Training Men for Emotional Competence 47:02 Encouraging Men to Seek Healing 49:03 Conclusion and Call to Action Resources Mentioned:  Immanuel Institute: Immanuelinstitute.com  Jason Twombly: jasontwombly.com; The Heartsmith Coach on Substack; Book: Jesus Comforts - A Devotional from Heartache to Healing  Contact & More Info:  Face to Face Network: facetofacenetwork.org Don't forget to leave a five-star review and subscribe for more empowering episodes! 

In this enlightening episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we sit down with Bill Vanderbush to explore the simplicity and depth of the gospel. Bill dives deep into the contrast between modern Western Christianity and the early church teachings, emphasizing the importance of understanding our identity through Christ.   We discuss the pitfalls of performance-based faith, the transformative power of grace, and the importance of awakening to our true relationship with God as a loving Father. Bill also shares his thoughts on the current reformation in the church and how it's reshaping believers' understanding of the gospel.   Tune in for an inspiring and thought-provoking conversation that challenges conventional religious beliefs and invites listeners into a deeper, more intimate walk with God.   00:00 Introduction and Announcements 01:07 Introducing Bill Vanderbush 02:53 Bill Vanderbush on Union and Grace 04:53 Complications in Modern Christianity 05:46 The True Essence of the Gospel 08:00 The Fatherhood of God 15:53 Reformation and Awakening  22:46 Healing Trauma Bonds with God 33:09 Grace and Faith: A Gift from God 34:13 The Evolution of Paul's Teachings 37:20 Childlike Wonder in Faith 40:28 Living in Reconciled Rest 46:13 The True Nature of the Gospel 50:47 The Role of Theology and Reformation 51:53 Final Thoughts and Encouragement More info: billvanderbush.com

E179 | Discovering the Self with Adam Young: The Role of Neuroscience in Faith (Exploring Attachment and Brain Science with Adam Young)   In this episode we welcome therapist and author Adam Young to discuss the profound impact of early caregiver relationships on how we relate to God. Young explains the importance of understanding our attachment history and the significant influence of early life experiences on brain development. We delve into topics such as narrative therapy, the role of the nervous system, and the importance of paying attention to one's body and internal experiences. Young highlights the necessity of addressing trauma and harmful experiences to achieve personal freedom and a better understanding of oneself. He emphasizes the continuous practice of introspection and attunement to one's body as vital for personal growth and well-being.   00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:28 Exploring Attachment and God 01:13 The Impact of Early Experiences on Our Relationship with God 03:51 Understanding the Importance of Our Stories 04:47 The Role of the Nervous System in Trauma and Healing 08:42 The Power of Attention and Interoception 23:34 Embracing Self-Sovereignty and Personal Responsibility 33:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts     https://adamyoungcounseling.com/

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we welcome bestselling author and professional counselor Jenna Riemersma to discuss Internal Family Systems (IFS). Dropping during Christmas week, the episode focuses on deeper connection and healing practices. Jenna explains the significance of IFS, a therapeutic model emphasizing the importance of embracing all aspects of oneself, even those that are challenging. She shares insights on welcoming and understanding these parts through self-compassion and curiosity, aligning them with one's divine essence. The conversation also touches on critical distinctions between parts and their burdens, emphasizing the need for relational healing rather than control. Jenna concludes with a guided meditation, assisting listeners in moving toward their inner parts with kindness. The episode encourages journaling reflections, and reminds listeners about the valuable resources available through Jenna's website, MoveToward.com, and her upcoming book, 'Move Toward.'   00:00 Introduction and Holiday Greetings 00:46 Interview with Jenna Riemersma 02:22 Immanuel Institute Enrollment 04:30 Jenna Riemersma's Background and IFS 07:11 Understanding Internal Family Systems (IFS) 09:53 Practical Applications of IFS 17:26 Addressing Challenging Parts 25:01 Healing Through Relationship and Compassion 28:50 Understanding Parts Work 30:02 Compassionate Approach to Self-Hatred 31:19 Welcoming Resistance and Concerns 33:42 Spiritual and Faith-Based Integration 38:37 Practical Steps for Self-Compassion 40:29 Guided Meditation for Parts Work 51:45 Reflections on the Meditation Experience 58:03 Final Thoughts and Resources 01:04:39 Conclusion and Farewell

The Journey to Wholeness with Michael John Cusick - Part 2 In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful conversation with Michael John Cusick. We are excited to invite you to join our Level 1 and Level 2 Immanuel Approach training sessions starting in December and January. Michael delves into various topics, including spiritual disciplines, mysticism, and the importance of understanding our inherent brokenness through five Ws: wretchedness, weakness, woundedness, warfare, and wiring. He emphasizes the need to reframe our perceptions of spiritual performance and the profound impact of recognizing God's constant presence. The episode ends with information on how to support the podcast and more resources for deeper connection and lasting freedom. 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 00:40 Listener Feedback and Apology 02:37 Immanuel Approach Training Details 04:53 Introduction to Michael Cusick's Interview 05:17 Experiencing God in Everyday Life 14:20 Understanding Human Brokenness 20:54 The Impact of Personal Limitations 21:30 Embracing Vulnerabilities 22:12 The Power of Weakness 24:08 Understanding Woundedness 25:15 The Reality of Spiritual Warfare 26:53 The Role of Our Nervous System 28:20 Reevaluating Spiritual Performance 30:28 Discovering a New Way 35:43 The Holiness Heresy 39:49 Final Thoughts and Reflections

E177 | Michael John Cusick | Authenticity: The Path to Wholeness Welcome to Episode 177 of the Face to Face Podcast! Today we discuss their Immanuel Approach course levels and introduce their special guest, Michael John Cusick. Cusick, an author, podcaster, and therapist, shares his remarkable story of overcoming early-life trauma. The conversation delves into themes of vulnerability, the importance of embodied spirituality, and doing personal work for healing. Practical insights and valuable advice on experiencing God's love and navigating trauma are key highlights.   00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Upcoming Courses and Announcements 01:52 Introducing Michael John Cusick 02:39 Michael's Personal Journey and Professional Work 04:40 The Power of Vulnerability and Humility 08:05 Restoring the Soul: Intensive Counseling Ministry 09:54 Challenges and Growth in Personal Relationships 16:41 The Importance of Embodied Spirituality 38:51 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Episodes  

Today we sit down and have a compelling conversation with Chuck DeGroat, a licensed therapist, spiritual director, and author of six books including 'Leaving Egypt'. Chuck shares his journey of emotional and spiritual transformation, the significance of vulnerability, and practical exercises for achieving a deeper sense of safety and connection. Special topics include insights on the Immanuel Approach, Understanding Trauma courses, and the challenge of maintaining genuine vulnerability within leadership roles. Don't miss this insightful episode filled with practical steps for lasting freedom and meaningful relationships.   00:45 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Courses 01:57 Introducing Our Guest: Chuck DeGroat 03:38 Chuck DeGroat's Background and Family 06:22 Discussing Chuck's Books and Writing Journey 07:56 The Journey of Healing and Self-Reflection 13:11 Understanding Trauma and Inner Healing 16:33 Challenges of Leadership and Vulnerability 19:41 Narcissism and the Path to Transformation 27:38 Sympathetic Storm: A Personal Journey 28:41 Character Formation and Personal Growth 29:24 The Slow Process of Bearing Fruit 30:42 Navigating Midlife Crises 32:01 Embracing Vulnerability and Self-Compassion 33:56 Befriending Our Inner Parts 47:52 Embodied Practices for Healing 51:09 Resources and Final Thoughts

In Episode 175 we share part two of our enlightening discussion with Bishop Chris Green. This episode covers significant topics such as understanding trauma, the role of suffering in life, and the differences between tenderness and vulnerability. Chris provides profound insights into how one's view of God affects their emotional responses and emphasizes the importance of leaning into our humanity and finite nature. The episode also underscores the importance of embracing one's unique way of experiencing God, whether as a 'sea' or a 'cup,' and finding peace within that framework. Additionally, we highlight the Understanding Trauma course available at Immanuelinstitute.com. 00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:33 Episode 175: Part Two with Bishop Chris Green 01:00 Understanding Trauma Course Announcement 01:53 Diving Back into the Conversation with Chris Green 02:00 Theology and Tenderness: A Deep Dive 11:02 The Role of Suffering in the Christian Life 18:37 The Illusion of Control and Embracing Weakness 26:05 Healing, Isolation, and Theological Anchoring 32:47 Final Thoughts and Benediction 38:58 Closing Remarks and Upcoming Content

Welcome to episode 174 of the Face to Face Podcast, hosted by Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little. We are excited to share with you an in-depth conversation with theologian and professor Chris Green, discussing the interplay between theology and everyday life. Chris Green shares his journey into theology, influenced by scholars like Stanley Hauerwas and Robert Jensen. Our discussion shifts to the role of theology in daily life and the importance of aligning head knowledge with heart experience. Chris also delves into his latest book, 'All Life Comes From Tenderness,' exploring the necessity of sensitivity and tenderness for a fulfilling faith and life. The episode concludes with a teaser for part two and appreciation for the listeners. Tune in for an enriching dialogue on living with authenticity and understanding through theology. 0:03 - Introduction and Welcome  0:54 - Announcements and Updates 3:02 - Introducing Chris Green 3:59 - Chris Green's Journey into Theology 10:25 - The Role of Theology in Daily Life 14:47 - Constructive and Public Theology 24:47 - The Importance of Tenderness 51:15 - Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful discussion with Dr. Baxter Kruger. We explore the significance of union with Jesus, practical ways it manifests in daily life, and how to recognize Jesus' presence in everyday actions. Our conversation also highlights upcoming events and courses from the Immanuel Institute that delve deeper into cultivating a closer relationship with Jesus. Dr. Kruger shares profound stories and joyful revelations, emphasizing the importance of embracing one's inherent connection with Jesus and viewing life through the lens of this union. 00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Upcoming Events and Announcements 02:35 Introduction to Dr. Baxter Kruger 02:45 Understanding Union with Jesus 04:07 Practical Examples of Union 05:04 Jesus' Presence in Daily Life 07:53 The Role of Faith and Delusion 13:57 The True Gospel and Identity 14:22 Jesus' Teachings and Miracles 18:20 The Simplicity of Walking with Jesus 23:03 Final Thoughts and Homework 24:11 Understanding Darkness and Light 24:37 Baby Steps and Love 25:07 Creativity and Divine Gifts  25:37 The Journey of Awakening 27:21 Union and Non-Duality  29:32 Hearing God's Voice 31:02 Facing Pain and Finding Jesus 36:03 The Power of the Gospel  42:13 Resources and Recommendations 46:04 Final Thoughts and Gratitude  

Join us for an intriguing conversation with theologian, Dr. Baxter Kruger as he delves into theological discussions about the nature of God's love, the significance of the Trinity, and the purpose of creation. He challenges traditional Western Christian doctrines, advocating for a more beautiful gospel centered on love and unity with God. The episode encourages listeners to re-examine their beliefs and embrace a more profound relationship with the Divine 00:00 - 02:14: Introduction and current travels 02:15 - 06:33: Upcoming Immanuel Approach training details 06:34 - 07:40: Background on guest Baxter Kruger 07:41 - 12:00: Kruger's theological discussion on the Trinity and nature of God 12:01 - 16:30: Significance of God's love and purpose of creation 16:31 - 23:49: Jesus' actions and divine submission during the crucifixion 23:50 - 35:12: Interpretation of biblical passages and deeper theological insights 35:13 - 44:30: Faith, repentance, and knowing God intimately 44:31 - 52:45: Challenges to traditional Western Christian doctrines 52:46 - 1:09:10: Experiencing and describing God's love in everyday life 1:09:11 - 1:20:00: Final reflections and invitation to re-listen

Join us for a powerful episode of the Face to Face Podcast as we sit down with Dr. Margaret Nagib, a clinical psychologist with over 20 years of experience, to explore the integration of faith, psychology, and nervous system healing. Discover how trauma responses shape our lives, why nervous system regulation is foundational for emotional and spiritual health, and practical steps for moving from survival to wholeness. Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome & Introduction 00:29 – Broadcasting from Lake Tahoe & Upcoming Courses 02:38 – Introducing Dr. Margaret Nagib 03:22 – Dr. Margaret's Background: Integrating Faith & Psychology 05:42 – The Evolution of Christian Psychology & Inner Healing 09:35 – Mind, Body, Spirit Integration Explained 13:22 – The Role of the Nervous System in Healing 18:23 – Why Nervous System Work is Trending 21:14 – Understanding Trauma Responses: Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn 24:11 – Real-Life Examples: People-Pleasing & Fawn Response 27:00 – How to Recognize and Shift Out of Trauma Responses 31:00 – Practical Tools for Regulation & Completing the Stress Cycle 35:00 – Recognizing Long-Term Patterns & Building Capacity 39:00 – The Foundation of Nervous System Work Key Topics: The integration of faith and psychology in healing How trauma responses (fight, flight, freeze, fawn) show up in daily life The importance of nervous system regulation for lasting change Practical tools for recognizing and shifting out of survival states Dr. Margaret's personal journey and resources Connect with Dr. Margaret Nagib: Instagram: @margaretnagib Website: thedunamisproject.org If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a five-star review and visit facetofacenetwork.com for more resources!

In this episode, we continue our conversation with Suhail Stephen, exploring how the Enneagram can deepen spiritual formation and self-understanding. We discuss the Enneagram's origins, its nine personality types, and how it helps us recognize both our strengths and areas for growth. Suhail shares personal insights and practical ways the Enneagram can foster compassion, freedom, and more authentic relationships—with God, others, and ourselves. Learn More at: writingisprayer.com 00:00 - Welcome & Introduction 00:29 - Show Begins, Guest Introduction 00:55 - Announcements: Dash Away & Trauma Course 01:41 - Transition to Enneagram Topic 01:52 - Suhail on Spirituality & Enneagram 02:14 - Cathy's Enneagram Story 02:58 - Suhail: Enneagram's Impact & History 05:19 - Christian Perspective on Enneagram 08:00 - Suhail's Personal Enneagram Experience 10:32 - Triads & Undercurrents Explained 13:37 - Cathy & Melinda Discuss Their Types 15:13 - Suhail: What the Numbers Mean 16:58 - Triads: Shame, Anxiety, Frustration 18:45 - Compulsions & Avoidances 19:41 - Melinda: Resistance to Labels 21:47 - Suhail: Why Use "Undercurrent" & "Compulsion" 23:28 - Melinda & Cathy's Types Explored 24:39 - Cathy's Leadership & Independence 27:50 - Why Self-Awareness Matters 29:03 - Enneagram for Relationships 31:56 - Final Thoughts & Resources 34:15 - Where to Find Suhail 34:58 - Enneagram: Affirming the Good 35:54 - Closing Remarks 36:07 - Outro & Call to Action 36:27 - End  

In this episode of the Face to Face podcast, we engage in a profound conversation with Suhail Stephen, a spiritual director from Manitoba, Canada. We delve into Suhail's multicultural upbringing, his journey into spiritual direction, and the significance of the contemplative Christian tradition. We also discuss practical steps like the Daily Examen and the role of a spiritual director in deepening one's spiritual experience. Suhail shares his personal experiences and insights, making this episode a valuable resource for anyone interested in authentic spiritual growth and connection with God.   00:28 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Events 01:50 Meet Our Special Guest: Suhail Stephen 06:30 Suhail's Journey and Cultural Experiences 12:54 Exploring Spirituality Across Cultures 22:45 The Path to Spiritual Direction 24:49 Understanding Spiritual Direction 26:02 Personal Journey with God  27:52 First Encounter with Spiritual Direction 28:52 Discovering the Call to Spiritual Direction 30:39 Training and Becoming a Spiritual Director 37:02 The Contemplative Tradition 46:40 Practical Steps for Spiritual Growth 50:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In Part 2 with Jessie Cruickshank, we discuss deeper connections and meaningful relationships through the lens of Identity Formation Theory. Our conversation covers various phases of human and spiritual development from infancy to adulthood, highlighting how our understanding of ourselves and God evolves.  You will be invited to explore phases of growth, the importance of autobiographical memory, and the concept of deconstruction in faith. This rich discussion provides insights for anyone interested in emotional and spiritual maturity. Learn more at whoology.co.   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:28 Upcoming Events and Opportunities 01:03 Immanuel Institute Programs 01:35 Understanding Trauma Course 02:28 Identity Formation Theory: Phases 0 to 1 04:13 Identity Formation Theory: Phase 2 08:57 Identity Formation Theory: Phase 3 13:08 Deconstruction and Faith Transitions 20:15 Phase 4: Owning Your Faith 23:18 Organizational Dynamics and Faith 30:15 Phase 5: The Dark Night of the Soul 40:08 Petty Doctrinal Issues in Modern Faith 40:31 Understanding Phase Five in Spiritual Growth  42:27 The Role of Community in Faith Transitions 43:20 Elder Stage and Teaching Teenagers 44:40 Navigating Spiritual Direction Schools 46:26 Fear and Control in Religion 48:22 Creating Safe Spaces for Questions 50:51 The Journey of Identity Formation 59:53 Final Thoughts and Encouragement 01:04:54 Autobiographical vs. Semantic Memory

E167 - Jessie Cruickshank - Part 1 | Understanding Identity & Faith Development In this episode, we introduce Jessie Cruickshank, a neuro-ecclesiologist with a background from Harvard. We discuss the concept of identity formation, delving into various phases of human development based on a theory Jessie evolved from Fowler's stages of faith development. The episode covers infancy and toddler stages, emphasizing the importance of naming and identity in the early years. Jessie shares insights on how our experiences shape our perception of self and God. We have compelling conversation on the significance of naming children and how it impacts their identity and faith journey.   00:28 California Vibes and Upcoming Events 01:25 Dash Away and Immanuel Institute Announcements 04:24 Introducing Jessie Cruickshank 05:13 Jessie Cruickshank's Background and Journey 14:32 Neuro Ecclesiology and Organizational Psychology 19:08 The Art of Connection: Sales Techniques and Attunement 21:01 Exploring Identity Formation Theory 22:44 The Journey of Faith Development 24:41 Introducing Identity Formation Theory 27:06 The Role of Caregivers in Spiritual Development 34:13 The Importance of Naming and Identity 37:52 Helping Others Discover Their True Identity 42:31 Conclusion and Next Steps

In this episode, we continue our deep conversation with Australian guest David Tensen. David shares a provocative viewpoint on decentering God from one's life and discusses the symbolic concept of the Trinity as a non-centralized entity. We explore notions of deep spiritual maturity, deconstruction of religious belief systems, and the importance of eldership. The episode further discusses how to experience personal transformation through retreats like Dash Away Weekends and closes with a reflective poem by David. The overarching theme emphasizes the importance of embracing unity with Christ, letting go of dogmatic constructs, and finding freedom in spiritual growth.   00:28 Episode 166: Part Two with David Tensen 01:15 Upcoming Dash Away Weekends Retreat 02:32 David Tensen on Decentering God 04:37 Understanding Union with God 11:31 The Concept of Panentheism 14:07 Deconstruction and Decentering in Faith 19:12 Maturity and Letting Go of Constructs 22:58 Navigating Personal Beliefs and Open-Mindedness 24:47 The Role of Love and Guidance in Healing 25:18 Decentering the Need for Change 26:40 The Impact of Social Media on Judgment and Arguments 29:37 Companioning and Grieving 32:58 Embracing Mystery and Uncertainty in Faith 35:45 The Value of Diverse Perspectives 37:41 Closing Reflections and Poetry 39:47 Final Thoughts and Farewell   To learn more about David's work: https://davidtensen.com/  

In this episode, we discuss important shifts, including the transition from 'Face to Face Ministries' to 'Face to Face Network'. We had an excellent conversation with David Tensen, an Australian philosopher, teacher, chaplain, and poet, known for his profound insights into eldering and inner healing. David shares his journey through advanced pastoral care, internal healing methods, and his new book, 'Decenter Everything'. The conversation delves into why decentering is essential, especially the critical distinction between centering God versus our construct of God. David also touches on the Life Model's stages of human development, and the urgent need to embrace eldering in a world stuck in adolescent and early adulthood stages. Tune in for part two to explore deeper into the concept of decentering God.   00:32 Exciting Changes and New Beginnings 01:15 Rebranding to Face-to-Face Network 02:05 The Vision and Philosophy Behind the Network 04:16 Challenges with the Term 'Ministries' 06:48 Upcoming Events and Website Changes 07:29 Introducing Our Guest: David Tenson 10:37 David Tenson's Background and Work 22:53 Reflecting on Ministry and Personal Challenges 23:48 Discovering the Life Model 24:35 Experiencing Burnout and Transitioning to Academia 26:55 Writing and Publishing 'The Wrestle' 27:42 Introducing 'Decenter Everything' 28:29 Exploring the Life Model Stages 32:39 The Concept of Eldering 37:57 The Call to Decenter Everything 40:41 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions To learn more about David's work: https://davidtensen.com/  

Joni us as our conversation takes a deep dive with guest Hannah Ploegstra, an expert on Gen Z, discussing the unique challenges and strengths of this generation. Hannah shares her personal journey of raising four Gen Z children and explains the generational need for deeper relational skills and connection. Emphasizing compassion and the importance of presence, she articulates ways older generations can support and understand Gen Z, highlighting their potential to bring healing and leadership to the world.  The episode concludes with a hopeful message for Gen Z about their essential role and the healing they can bring to society.   00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:28 Episode 164 Kickoff and Updates 00:38 Dash Away Retreat Recap 01:29 Upcoming Events and Trainings 03:02 Introducing Hannah Ploegstra 03:47 Hannah's Journey with Gen Z 06:40 Challenges and Insights on Gen Z 18:08 Gen Z's Struggles with Technology and Connection 25:27 The Role of Maturity in Guiding Gen Z 25:53 Challenges Faced by Gen Z 27:20 Building Relational Experiences 28:45 The Importance of Presence and Support 29:55 Understanding and Connecting with Gen Z 31:30 Practical Steps to Engage with Gen Z 32:51 The Unique Traits of Gen Z 41:54 A Message to Gen Z 45:07 Closing Remarks and Future Episodes   For more information: https://www.brineknit.com/