It's a Numbers Game

In this episode, the Adam and Daniel welcome Al Lakhani a cybersecurity expert, to discuss the revolutionary MFA 2.0 technology. Al explains how traditional MFA (Multifactor Authentication) methods, known as MFA 1.0, are vulnerable to credential phishing attacks, highlighting recent breaches by the Shiny Hunters group. He introduces MFA 2.0, which utilises public key cryptography to eliminate passwords and ensure device-based identity verification, preventing attacks effectively. The conversation delves into the limitations of current MFA methods, the advantages of MFA 2.0, and the importance of moving from detection to prevention in cybersecurity. Al also discusses the educational challenges in the industry and the potential for MFA 2.0 to simplify IT departments' roles by eliminating credential management issues. Despite the complexity and market resistance, Al believes MFA 2.0 offers a transformative approach to cybersecurity. The episode wraps up with a call to action for MSPs interested in trailing MFA 2.0 and ensuring robust security for their clients. 00:00 Introduction and Greetings 00:25 The Problem with MFA 1.0 01:19 Introducing MFA 2.0 03:47 How MFA 2.0 Works 07:54 Challenges and Solutions 14:35 Market Adoption and Competitors 26:54 Conclusion and Next Steps Connect with Al Lakhani on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/getidee/ Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwelling/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this episode, Roy Castleman joins the podcast to share insights from his extensive experience in leveraging AI to run multiple businesses. The conversation delves into practical applications of AI, the challenges of selecting the right tools amongst many, and optimising AI usage through clear communication and iterative prompting. Roy emphasises the importance of understanding AI as an enhancement tool rather than a replacement and details a method of using AI to form a 'virtual board of directors' for business advice. The episode also touches on various aspects of experimenting with AI tools and offers valuable tips on using AI effectively. 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:20 Diving into AI and Business Efficiency 02:15 Choosing the Right AI Tools 03:45 AI as a Critical Thinking Partner 04:59 Practical Applications of AI 06:39 Challenges and Limitations of AI 09:10 Setting Up AI for Business 16:34 Effective AI Communication 24:29 Final Thoughts and Contact Information Connect with Roy Castleman on LinkedIn here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/roycastleman Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwelling/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, here – https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this episode, Adam Pilton from Heimdal discusses his role in educating and supporting MSPs and small businesses on cybersecurity. He shares his unique perspective drawn from a 15-year career in law enforcement and as a Cyber Essentials auditor. The conversation covers the importance of storytelling, recognising and mitigating risks, maintaining cybersecurity standards like Cyber Essentials, and building trust-based client relationships. Practical strategies for engaging clients and the necessity of continued education on cybersecurity threats are also highlighted. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:25 Adam's Background and Role at Heimdal 02:26 Challenges Faced by Small Businesses in Cybersecurity 06:52 Importance of Storytelling in Cybersecurity 12:18 Cyber Essentials and Frameworks 24:50 Client Relationships and Trust 31:55 Conclusion and Contact Information Connect with Adam Pilton LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adampilton Read Adam Pilton's newsletter at – https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/the-cyber-detective%E2%80%99s-notebook-7389285479634075648/ Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwelling/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this episode, Fiona discusses the rapid advancements in AI, especially in the Managed Service Provider (MSP) sector. The conversation delves into how AI avatars are surpassing human avatars in social media, the adaptation of MSPs to AI technologies, and the importance of staying updated in the swiftly changing AI landscape. Fiona recalls past initiatives like the Mentori Program which helped navigate industry transformations and compares it to current AI integration. She emphasises the need for MSPs to embrace tools like Microsoft Copilot as an entry into AI, and outlines a structured path from basic AI applications to complex, agent-driven solutions. The discussion also highlights the importance of readiness assessments, internal adoption of AI tools, and the significant market demand driven by end users. MSP owners are encouraged to start small and gradually scale their AI capabilities, ensuring they don't miss out on emerging opportunities. 00:00 Introduction and Greetings 00:17 AI Avatars vs. Human Avatars 01:06 Recent Developments in AI and MSP Land 01:24 The Mentori Program and Industry Shifts 02:12 The Biggest Shift in the Channel 02:58 Monetising AI in the Channel 03:57 Challenges and Solutions for MSPs 04:21 The Seven Week Challenge: From Copilot to AI 04:52 Demand Driven by End Users 05:33 The Role of MSPs in Leading AI 07:04 Selling AI as a Transformation Tool 07:26 Real-World AI Implementation Stories 09:30 Steps for MSPs to Get Started with AI 12:09 The Importance of Internal Adoption 12:52 Readiness Assessment and Pilot Programs 18:59 The Future of AI in the Channel 27:22 Training Programs and Continuous Learning 30:29 Conclusion and Contact Information   Connect with Fiona Challis LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/fionachallis If partners are asking "How do we sell AI?" this is the best place to start – https://fionachallis.mykajabi.com/copilotchallenge - If they are already ahead and clients are now asking "Can AI actually do the work?" - this is the best place for them -  This is Mentori for AI  –  https://agenticaiprovidersystem.com/ Use code ITSANUMBERSGAME at checkout to get a £250 saving.  Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwelling/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this engaging episode, hosts Daniel, Adam and guest Graham Norris explore their personal journeys within the Toastmasters program, highlighting its significant impact on their public speaking skills and confidence. They share stories about overcoming initial fears and discuss how repeated practice at Toastmasters helped them become better communicators. Graham describes how his experience with Toastmasters led him into a career as a professional speaker and organisational psychologist. The conversation also delves into broader themes of navigating change and uncertainty, making informed decisions, and the importance of experimentation. Both host and guest underscore the invaluable benefits of Toastmasters in various facets of life and business, making a strong case for participation in such programs.   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:23 Personal Toastmasters Journeys 01:31 Overcoming Public Speaking Fears 04:45 Practical Benefits of Toastmasters 07:43 Transition to Professional Speaking 10:14 Navigating Future Uncertainties 23:26 The Value of Experimentation and Decision Making 26:09 Conclusion and Contact Information   Connect with Graham Norris LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamnorris/ Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwelling/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!    

In this episode, host Daniel welcomes Jason Kemsley to discuss the evolving landscape of Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Jason shares his insights on the three Cs that will define successful MSPs by 2026: Consolidation, Certification, and Compliance. The conversation explores the importance of niching down and standardising operations to thrive in a competitive market. They also delve into how certifications can enhance credibility and the role of compliance in achieving market leadership. The episode concludes with a brief teaser for a future aviation-themed episode, promising an interesting twist on the discussion.   00:00 Introduction and Warm-Up 00:38 The Three Cs of MSPs in 2026 01:41 Consolidation: The First C 18:16 Certification and Standards: The Second C 22:51 Compliance: The Third C 26:50 Shameless Plug and Future Plans Connect with Jason Kemsley on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-kemsley-630983159/ Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwelling/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this podcast episode, Adam, Daniel, and Anne discuss the significance of legal agreements for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and how they impact EBITDA. They discuss the inherent risks MSPs face, the importance of proactive use of contracts, and common pitfalls like revenue leakage from services out of scope. The conversation highlights the need for MSPs to educate their clients and align internal processes with contractual commitments. They emphasise that contracts are not merely for worst-case scenarios but are essential for mitigating risks and ensuring business success. The episode provides insights into how MSPs can better structure their agreements and services to protect both their businesses and clients. 00:00 Introduction 00:23 Connecting EBITDA and MSP Legal Agreements 01:11 The Importance of Contracts for MSPs 02:47 Proactive Use of Contracts 04:33 In Scope vs. Out of Scope 09:05 Onboarding and Initial Assessments 11:26 Managing Client Expectations 20:32 Adapting Contracts for Different Services 22:49 Global Differences in MSP Practices 28:12 Conclusion and Contact Information Connect with Anne Hall LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/annehall-itagree Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwelling/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this episode, industry expert Rob joins the hosts to discuss the significance of high-quality, effective case studies for Managed Service Providers (MSPs). The conversation delves into the current state of case study usage among top UK MSPs, revealing that while many are embracing both written and video formats, there is still a lot of room for improvement. Rob outlines the primary benefits of case studies, emphasising their role in building trust and credibility. He also differentiates between case studies and testimonials, highlighting their respective strengths and uses. The episode offers practical advice on selecting clients for case studies, conducting insightful interviews, and producing engaging content. Rob also shares his thoughts on integrating customer feedback and tackling sensitive topics delicately. Additionally, the hosts and Rob touch on the balance between polished and authentic content and the future impact of AI on copywriting.   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:08 The Importance of Case Studies for MSPs 00:39 Current State of Case Studies in the MSP Space 01:16 Benefits of Using Case Studies 03:35 Testimonials vs. Case Studies 04:53 Creating Effective Case Studies 07:29 Combining Video and Written Case Studies 13:32 Challenges and Sensitivities in Case Studies 22:35 Steps to Create a Case Study 30:10 Ideal Length and Structure of Case Studies 33:01 Conclusion and Contact Information 34:09 The Role of AI in Copywriting   Connect with Rob Beadle on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbeadleuk/ Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this informative session, Adam and Dan delve into the intricate world of mergers and acquisitions (M&A) specifically tailored for Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Recorded live at the MSP Show 2025, returning for a second year to the London exhibition, the duo builds upon last year's discussion on valuations and management accounts to explore negotiation tactics and heads of terms. They aim to share insights on due diligence and deal completion in future sessions. The script includes a unique role-play segment illustrating a negotiation between a buyer and a seller, offering viewers a realistic glimpse into the M&A process. Throughout the session, the importance of preparation, trust, financial clarity, and strategic alignment is emphasised. The session concludes with an interactive Q&A segment addressing key issues like market trends and seller expectations.   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 01:16 Background and Experience of the Speakers 02:15 Role Play Setup: Buyer and Seller 04:04 Seller's Business Overview 09:41 Buyer's Business Overview and Preparation 13:46 Heads of Terms and Valuation Discussion 16:59 Negotiation Begins 22:31 Client Retention Concerns 23:09 Earnout Structure and Final Offer 23:48 Negotiation Pause and Reflection 25:13 Resuming Negotiations 25:42 Unexpected Financial Hurdles 27:12 Deal Reconsideration 28:27 Key Takeaways and Q&A 32:02 Market Trends and Buyer Dynamics 38:59 Final Remarks and Audience Interaction   Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this episode, Colin returns to discuss the intricate challenges MSPs face regarding billing reconciliation. He explains how MSPs struggle with managing a wide spectrum of resold products and the dynamic nature of SMB customers. Colin introduces a new 'done-for-you' reconciliation service designed to simplify this task, reflecting on its development origins and the benefits it offers. The conversation delves into how accurate billing and reconciliation can prevent overbilling and underbilling, ultimately protecting trust and financial stability for MSPs. Additionally, Colin highlights the universal issue of billing inaccuracies from vendors and the industry's general reluctance towards the commercial management of an MSP. The episode concludes with Colin offering insights into how his new service aims to alleviate these issues, providing time-saving solutions and improving overall business efficiency for MSPs.   00:00 Welcome Back, Colin! 00:14 The Pain of Reconciliation for MSPs 01:40 The Cost of Inaccurate Billing 04:51 Strategies to Manage Costs and Maintain Margins 07:54 The Value of Accurate Billing 15:59 Introducing the Done-for-You Reconciliation Service 18:17 The Journey to Managed Billing Services 23:07 The Impact on Small MSPs and Their Families 27:42 Aligning Billing and Supplier Invoices 32:02 Final Thoughts and How to Reach Out   Connect with Colin Knox on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/realityknox/ Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this episode of It's A Numbers Game, hosts Adam Morris and Daniel Welling discuss the future of payments with open banking expert Kevin Ludford. The conversation delves deep into the advancements and benefits of variable recurring payments (VRP) for managed service providers (MSPs). Kevin explains the transformation occurring in payment collections, particularly the shift from traditional direct debits to VRP, which offers faster, more secure transactions and improved cash flow for businesses. They also discuss the implications of these changes, the reduced friction for both businesses and consumers, and the key advantages such as instant payments and reduced fraud. The discussion extends to industry-specific applications and the potential broader impact of open banking globally.   00:00 Introduction to the Future of Payments 02:24 Understanding Open Banking 04:35 Variable Recurring Payments (VRP) Explained 07:29 Global Adoption and Future Prospects 20:24 Mentoring Services for MSPs 22:24 Practical Applications and Benefits of Open Banking 34:13 Conclusion and Final Thoughts   Connect with Kevin Ludford on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinludford Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/ Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/ Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/   MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!

In this podcast episode, host Daniel Welling catches up with former colleague Graham to discuss their shared history and Graham's career journey, from his early days at Solsis to his significant role at NewCMI and beyond. The conversation explores the evolution of Managed Service Providers (MSPs), touching upon Graham's transition from a techie at HP to a business owner, and eventually into a sales and marketing role. Key topics covered include the distinctions between selling to large versus small businesses, the importance of having a dedicated sales function, and strategies for nurturing customer relationships. Graham also shares insights into their successful sales methodologies and the significance of specialised roles within a sales team to drive growth. Listeners gain valuable perspectives on the intricate balance between technical expertise and sales acumen necessary for scaling an MSP business.    00:00 Welcome and Introduction  01:05 Early Career and First Customer  02:26 Evolution of the MSP Business  04:28 Challenges and Strategies in Sales  10:40 Transition to Sales and Marketing  14:50 Selling to Larger vs. Smaller Customers  17:55 Pivot to SMB Market  19:29 NewCMI Sales Journey  19:45 Transition to Sales and Marketing  21:03 Focusing on Existing Customers  22:24 Acquisition and Team Expansion  22:42 Investing in Marketing  24:15 Sales Team Structure and Roles  29:58 Outbound Calling and SDR Role  35:40 Final Thoughts and Shameless Plug      Connect with Graham Stead on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamstead  Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/  Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/  Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/      MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team    We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned! 

In this episode, hosts Adam Morris and Daniel Welling welcome guest Phil McGowan to discuss the innovative security solutions offered by Huntress, particularly focusing on their endpoint detection and response (EDR) and 24/7 security operations centre (SOC) services. They dive into how these tools help Managed Service Providers (MSPs) enhance their security offerings for small and medium-sized businesses. The conversation covers the key benefits of Huntress's products, including ease of integration, affordability compared to enterprise solutions, and trial opportunities. The hosts also explore the practical ways MSPs can explain and sell these security solutions to their clients, ensuring clarity and value. The episode highlights the importance of making enterprise-grade security accessible and manageable for businesses of all sizes.    00:00 Introduction and Welcome  01:03 Understanding MSP Security Challenges  02:32 Explaining EDR to Clients  04:32 Huntress' Unique Approach to Cybersecurity  08:05 The Value of 24/7 SOC  12:19 Commercial Considerations for MSPs  19:05 Affordability and Democratization of Security Tools  27:01 Conclusion and Contact Information    Connect with Phil McGowan on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/mcgowanphil/  Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/  Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/    Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/      MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team    We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned! 

In this episode, host Adam welcomes Dani and Alex from PCW Solutions to discuss their business journey, emphasising how they've integrated artificial intelligence (AI) into their company's operations. Alex details the inception and growth of PCW Solutions over the past 21 years, starting from helping domestic customers to managing over 150 business clients today. The conversation dives into their innovative approach to improving workflow efficiency using AI. They explain how they utilised AI to manage and log customer support tickets, reducing the workload on their staff and improving service response times. They also highlight practical challenges and human factors involved in implementing AI solutions, including the need for clear communication and gradual customer adaptation to new technologies. The discussion covers the future potential of AI in Managed Service Providers (MSPs) for automating routine tasks and enhancing customer service. Alex and Dani also share insights into the practical aspects of AI integration and future plans, such as automating outbound calls for ticket resolution00:00 Welcome and Introductions  00:21 Background and Business Overview  01:53 Office Location and Expansion  03:27 Exploring AI Solutions  04:08 Implementing AI for Customer Support  08:45 Challenges and Adjustments with AI  11:33 Technical Setup and Future Plans  13:32 The Role of AI in Client Communication  14:11 Client Reactions to AI Implementation  14:35 Solving Client Issues with AI  15:08 AI Accuracy and Staff Testing  15:26 Examples of AI Handling Calls  17:42 AI in Sales and Client Management  19:17 Future AI Implementations  20:53 AI's Role in MSP Operations  21:38 Challenges and Costs of AI  25:55 Expanding AI Solutions for Clients  26:42 Automating Billing and Future Developments  27:15 Conclusion and Final Thoughts    Connect with Alex Hill on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-hill-64284414/  Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/    Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/    Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/      MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team    We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned! 

In this episode of 'It's A Numbers Game,' hosts Adam Morris and Daniel Welling are joined by guests Angie Hasenbank from Hasenbank Accounting Services (US) and Lauren McMaster from Rosy Small Business Services (Australia) for a globe-spanning discussion on mastering MSP finances. Key topics include the importance of standardised charts of accounts, proper labour allocation to see true gross margins, and the creation of disciplined workflows from quotes to invoices. Practical tips on working effectively with finance partners across time zones are also explored, aiming to help MSP owners build trust and avoid surprises. Learn the financial foundations every MSP needs to streamline operations and improve financial health.    00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome  00:45 Global Collaboration in MSP Finance  01:36 ConnectWise Community and Common Challenges  04:53 Importance of Standardised Chart of Accounts  05:50 Payroll Allocation and Time Sheets  11:48 Product Discipline and Purchase Orders  16:23 Preparing for Financial Control  19:30 Final Thoughts and Encouragement  25:09 Episode Recap and Conclusion      Connect with Angie Hasenbank on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/angie-hasenbank-b6112441/  Connect with Lauren McMaster on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-mcmaster-99564938/     Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/    Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/    Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/      MSP Glossary: MSP Finance Glossary Explained | MSP Finance Team    We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!       

In this episode, hosts Adam Morris and Daniel Welling welcome Alex, a seasoned advisor and former lender, to delve into the complexities of raising funds for growing a Managed Service Provider (MSP) business. They explore the intricacies of mergers and acquisitions (M&A), shedding light on different financing options such as factoring, invoice discounting, and revenue-based financing. Alex shares his extensive experience, providing practical advice on how to assess borrowing capacity, valuation mechanisms, and the importance of strategic planning when considering acquisitions. The discussion also touches on the concept of 'deal heat', the significance of personal guarantees, and the necessity of seeking expert advice to navigate the challenging landscape of business financing and M&A.    00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome  00:44 Guest Background and Expertise  02:04 Understanding Factoring and Invoice Financing  03:39 Factoring in the MSP Context  07:35 Mergers and Acquisitions Overview  09:39 Assessing Borrowing Capacity  15:40 Creating a Deal Box  18:32 Funding Strategies and Considerations  29:27 Conclusion and Shameless Plug    Connect with Alex Fenton on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajmfenton/    Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/    Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/     Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/      We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!   

The Evolving Role of Telemarketing in MSP Lead Generation  In this podcast episode, hosts Adam Morris with Daniel Welling and guest Luke Doyle discuss the current relevance and strategies of telemarketing in the MSP (Managed Service Provider) industry. The guest shares insights into the evolution of telemarketing, balancing traditional and modern marketing techniques, and provides an overview of their company's approach to lead generation, including data quality, targeting, and effective prospecting. They emphasise the importance of well-crafted scripts, continuous client onboarding, and follow-up strategies to enhance results. The discussion also covers the necessary qualities for successful telemarketers, managing client expectations, and the importance of reliable data to reach decision-makers. The episode concludes with reflections on optimising calls and integrating telemarketing into broader marketing strategies.  00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome  00:05 Debating the Relevance of Telemarketing  00:44 Lead Generation Strategies  01:38 Targeting and Quality Conversations  02:10 Challenges and Misconceptions in Telemarketing  02:42 Creating Ideal Customer Profiles  03:37 Effective Prospecting Techniques  04:26 Strategies for Competitive Markets  06:18 Warming Up Cold Lists  08:04 Webinars and Thought Leadership  10:11 The Importance of Strategy  10:49 Personal Experiences and Insights  13:14 Setting Realistic Expectations  15:24 Qualifying and Confirming Meetings  22:06 Tips for Effective Telemarketing  24:01 The Role of Data and Scripts  32:37 Concluding Thoughts and Future Topics          Connect with Luke Doyle on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/luke-doyle-bravura-digital/    Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/    Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/       Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/        We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned! 

In this episode, Isobelle joins the podcast to discuss her experiences and insights from working in the UK market, particularly focusing on mergers and acquisitions (M&A) of Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Isobelle talks about Evergreen's growth, including partnering with seven MSP businesses across the UK, and their approach to acquiring and supporting new businesses. Isobelle also touches on the importance of valuation, the quality of revenue streams, and the operational maturity of businesses. The conversation further explores the differentiation of Evergreen as a permanent partner, their decentralised model, and the extensive support they offer to their partner businesses.    00:00 Introduction and Greetings  00:40 Company Updates and Achievements  04:53 Team Expansion and Operations  06:33 UK Summit and Business Insights  08:17 Financial Metrics and Valuations  18:47 Revenue Quality and Business Growth  26:11 Differentiation in the Competitive Landscape  33:33 Conclusion and Contact Information    Connect with Isobelle Coventry on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/isobelle-coventry    Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/    Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/     Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/        We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned! 

  In this episode, Simon shares his riveting journey from starting as an engineer at Ford Motor Company to founding and growing his own business, Sunrise, over the past 22 years. He discusses his decision to leave Ford, the crucial moments and opportunities that shaped his entrepreneurial path, and the challenges and triumphs along the way. Simon delves into the importance of structured business models, the impact of joining the TruMethods program, and how it provided direction, structure, and understanding of key business metrics. He also speaks about client management, the necessity of proactive service, and the challenges of acquiring new clients. Lastly, Simon shares insights from his first acquisition and emphasises the value of peer groups and communities in achieving business success. This episode serves as an inspiring and informative guide for entrepreneurs navigating the complexities of business growth and transformation.    00:00 Introduction and Welcome  00:23 Simon's Background and Career at Ford  00:56 Starting Sunrise and Early Challenges  02:59 The TruMethods Model  04:36 Implementing Changes and Overcoming Challenges  07:46 Proactive Service and Reducing Noise  10:41 Client Relationships and Strategic Pricing  26:12 Acquisition and Future Plans  30:11 Final Thoughts and Advice      Connect with Simon Gurner on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-gurner-8706435/    Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/    Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/      Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/      We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned! 

In this podcast episode, host Adam Morris speaks with Ian Blake, an expert on differentiation strategies for Managed Service Providers (MSPs). They discuss the challenges service industries like MSPs face in standing out from the competition. Ian explains how logical thinking, common in the MSP space, can hinder differentiation and shares a compelling story of a restaurant owner who succeeded by focusing on what his top competitor did poorly. Ian discusses the 'Holy Trinity' of marketing—segmentation, targeting, and positioning—and emphasises understanding customer pain points, competition, and company strengths. They explore the importance of truth and customer feedback in building a unique value proposition, with examples of how clients have successfully differentiated themselves. The episode concludes with insights on the significance of client perception and creating memorable brand positioning.    00:00 Introduction and Podcast Welcome  00:03 Challenges of Differentiation for MSPs  01:02 Logical Thinking and Differentiation  01:46 The Restaurant Story: Learning from Competitors' Weaknesses  03:08 The Importance of Differentiation in MSPs  05:05 Segmentation, Targeting, and Positioning in Marketing  10:01 Understanding Your Market and Targeting  14:34 The Role of Customer Insights in Differentiation  20:10 Case Studies and Real-World Examples  28:35 Conclusion and Final Thoughts      Connect with Ian Blake on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianblake1  Connect with Daniel Welling on LinkedIn by clicking here –https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-welling-54659715/  Connect with Adam Morris on LinkedIn by clicking here – https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcmorris/     Visit The MSP Finance Team website, simply click here –https://www.mspfinanceteam.com/      We look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Stay tuned!