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In this episode of the Hazard Class Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Johnny Torgeson—chief officer, leadership consultant, and author—to unpack his unconventional journey into the fire service and the leadership philosophy he’s built through real-world experience. From a last-minute decision in high school to becoming a U.S. Army firefighter, Dr. Torgeson shares how effort—not talent or grades—became the defining factor in his success.The conversation dives into the realities of leadership in emergency services, including how to motivate individuals with different drives, how to lead people through difficult life “seasons,” and why the idea of a constantly “high-performing team” is flawed. Instead, he introduces the concept of building optimized teams—meeting people where they are while still maintaining standards.Through powerful stories from boot camp, the firehouse, and his leadership career, Dr. Torgeson emphasizes self-belief, accountability, and understanding human behavior as the foundation of effective leadership. This episode is packed with actionable insights for anyone looking to lead better, build stronger teams, and unlock their full potential. Dr. Torgeson's Website:www.forgingteams.comHAIX Boots:www.haixusa.comRigaku Analytical Devices:www.rigakuanalytical.com00:00 – Intro & Guest BackgroundMeet Dr. Johnny Torgeson and his career across military and fire service leadership.04:30 – Origin Story & Career BeginningsA spontaneous decision leads to joining the Army as a firefighter.11:00 – Military vs Civilian Fire ServiceKey differences, experiences, and lessons from multiple systems.17:30 – 9/11 ExperienceBeing on standby during 9/11 and the emotional impact on crews.25:00 – Boot Camp & Effort MindsetHow basic training reshaped his belief in effort over ability.33:30 – Motivation & Proving People WrongThe role of doubt, self-belief, and internal drive.45:00 – Leadership & Motivation TheoryWhy discipline alone isn’t enough—and how leaders must adapt.55:30 – Understanding Your PeopleLearning what drives individuals and tailoring leadership approaches.1:05:00 – Life Seasons & Team PerformanceWhy teams fluctuate and how to lead through personal struggles.1:13:00 – Accountability with EmpathyBalancing standards with compassion in leadership.1:18:30 – Leading Former PeersNavigating difficult dynamics, influence, and respect.1:21:00 – Closing Thoughts & ResourcesWhere to connect with Dr. Torgeson and learn more.

In this episode of the Hazard Class Podcast, Jake talks to Sidd Thakur, founder and CEO of Paradigm Robotics, about his journey from childhood tinkering with Legos to creating robots that aid first responders in hazardous situations. Paradigm Robotics' innovative robots, like their heat-resistant models, help reduce risk and save lives in emergencies. Sidd shares the challenges of building these robots and discusses the future of robotics in emergency services.HAIX Boots: www.haixusa.com/Rigaku Analytical Devices: www.rigakuanalytical.com0:00 - 1:03 | Introduction to Sidd ThakurSidd Thakur, robotics innovator and founder of Paradigm Robotics, shares his background in engineering and robotics from a young age.1:04 - 2:50 | Sidd’s Robotics JourneySidd discusses his early interest in robotics, from Legos to building systems for his mom’s garden and entering competitive robotics.2:51 - 4:20 | Inspirations and InfluencesSidd reflects on the character Wall-E, which inspired his passion for robotics and engineering.4:21 - 7:10 | Hardware vs. SoftwareJake and Sidd talk about the balance between hardware and software in robotics and how both are needed for success.7:11 - 11:07 | From Toys to Real-World RoboticsSidd explains how he moved from toys like K’nex to building real robots and how online resources and cheap components made robotics accessible.11:08 - 14:15 | Family InfluenceSidd shares how his parents, both engineers and entrepreneurs, created an environment of creativity and support that influenced his career.14:16 - 21:01 | Why Emergency Services?Sidd talks about how his early work on wildfire detection led him to focus on creating robotics for structural fire and rescue operations.21:02 - 24:23 | Pain Points in the Fire ServiceSidd discusses the key challenges in the fire service, such as firefighter safety, staffing shortages, and emerging threats like lithium-ion fires.24:24 - 30:28 | Limitations of RoboticsSidd explains where robots can’t replace humans, such as in fast response situations, but can assist in high-risk environments like large-scale warehouse fires.30:29 - 38:17 | Firebot’s CapabilitiesSidd introduces Firebot, a versatile robot designed for hazardous environments, capable of high-temperature operations and equipped with sensors for a wide range of tasks.38:18 - 40:13 | Explosion-Proof DesignJake asks how Firebot is explosion-proof, and Sidd explains the engineering behind making robots safe for explosive atmospheres.40:14 - 47:35 | Modular PlatformsSidd discusses how Paradigm Robotics’ modular design allows fire departments to customize Firebot with different sensors and features based on their needs.47:36 - 50:37 | Training and UsabilitySidd shares how easy it is for first responders to operate Firebot, with training times as short as 15 seconds, and how the user interface is designed for quick deployment.50:38 - 54:01 | User Interface and Control SystemsSidd explains that Firebot uses a familiar, simple control system like a video game controller to ensure ease of use for anyone on the team.54:02 - 59:03 | Connectivity in Challenging EnvironmentsSidd discusses how Paradigm Robotics ensures reliable communication in difficult environments like concrete buildings, using advanced radio systems and antennas.59:04 - 1:03:35 | The Future of RoboticsSidd looks ahead, predicting greater adoption of robotics in emergency services, with AI integration, and the ability to tackle emerging problems like staffing shortages.1:03:36 - 1:05:55 | AI and the SingularityJake asks about the possibility of AI causing problems like in science fiction. Sidd reassures listeners that safety is the top priority in robotics development.1:05:56 - 1:06:47 | Closing ThoughtsSidd concludes the conversation, excited for the future of robotics in emergency services and the impact it will have on firefighter safety.

Michael W. Brown joins the Hazard Class Podcast to trace his path from retail security in Cincinnati to a 32-year DEA career spanning Detroit, Bolivia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Tajikistan, and Myanmar. He explains how overseas counter-narcotics work evolved from raiding labs and airstrips to targeting the chemical supply chains that keep global drug production running. The second half shifts to the modern drug landscape, where Brown breaks down fentanyl, cartel business models, border smuggling, and why precursor interdiction and field technology are central to the fight today.LinkedIn: Rigaku — linkedin.com/company/rigakucorp X: @rigaku — x.com/rigaku YouTube: @RigakuCorporation — youtube.com/@RigakuCorporation Instagram: @rigaku_corporation — instagram.com/rigaku_corporation Facebook: RigakuCorp — facebook.com/RigakuCorp 00:00 — Intro and Michael Brown’s backgroundBrown is introduced along with his DEA career and current role at Rigaku.01:18 — What inspired him to join DEAA 60 Minutes segment on DEA operations in South America pushes him away from law school and toward federal service.03:35 — The recruiter, the suit, and getting acceptedBrown tells the story of first showing up underdressed, getting sent back, and quickly landing a training slot.08:49 — First assignment: DetroitHe begins his career in Detroit and describes the pace and intensity of narcotics work there.13:31 — Undercover buys and street-level enforcementThe conversation moves into informants, cover stories, and what an actual buy-bust looked like.26:29 — Bolivia and Operation SnowcapBrown describes deploying to Bolivia, working with UMAPAR, and targeting cocaine labs, airstrips, and precursor hubs.35:50 — Why the drug war never stayed containedHe reflects on early overseas operations, cartel adaptation, and the political limits of long-term success.44:08 — Pakistan, 9/11, Afghanistan, and IndiaThe discussion shifts to his overseas career arc and how counter-drug work intersected with broader geopolitical events.49:58 — Myanmar and the pivot to chemical interdictionBrown explains how meth production in Myanmar pushed him toward technology-based counter-narcotics work.55:44 — Precursors as the center of gravityHe argues that precursor chemicals are the real lifeblood of fentanyl, heroin, cocaine, and meth production.58:03 — How fentanyl spreadBrown gives his view of the fentanyl timeline, from opioids and heroin to cartel-driven synthetic drug production.65:02 — Cartels as Fortune 500-style enterprisesHe explains why modern cartels operate more like multinational corporations than street gangs.74:51 — How drugs actually cross the borderBrown breaks down smuggling through points of entry, vehicle concealment, parcels, and volume overwhelm.85:03 — Retirement and work at RigakuHe closes by explaining how his current role helps agencies use technology to identify drugs and precursors more safely.

Deputy Assistant Chief (Ret.) Frank Leeb, a veteran of over 31 years with the FDNY. From his humble beginnings in East Farmingdale Volunteer Fire Department to retiring from the FDNY, Frank shares a wealth of knowledge and personal stories. He discusses his early days in volunteer firefighting, his journey through FDNY, and the lessons he's learned along the way. Frank’s passion for the fire service is evident as he talks about mentorship, training, leadership, and his work with the First Responder Center for Excellence, a program dedicated to addressing the mental and physical challenges faced by first responders.Timestamps:0:00 - Introduction to Chief Frank Leeb:Meet Chief Frank Leeb, a veteran firefighter with over 31 years of service. He shares his career journey and current work with the First Responder Center for Excellence.2:00 - Early Beginnings in East Farmingdale Fire Department:Frank reflects on his childhood and how his brother’s involvement in the East Farmingdale Fire Department inspired him to join, highlighting the diverse group of people who mentored him in his early volunteer years.4:00 - The Influence of His Brother and Volunteer Fire Service Mentors:Frank discusses how volunteer mentors shaped his understanding of leadership and service, emphasizing the importance of learning from everyone around you.7:00 - The FDNY Connection and the Path to Joining the Department:Frank talks about his decision to pursue a career in the FDNY, passing the entrance exam at 17, and the early connections he made with city firefighters.10:00 - Lessons from the First Real Fire:Frank recalls his first significant fire in New York City and the lessons learned about preparation, teamwork, and using all firefighting equipment.19:00 - The Value of Training and Lifelong Learning in the Fire Service:Frank highlights the importance of continuous education in the fire service and how a lifelong commitment to learning shaped his leadership style.26:00 - The Evolution of Fire Academy Training and Changes in Expectations:A look back at fire academy training in Frank’s early days and how it has evolved, particularly with EMS integration and the ongoing challenge of meeting modern demands.30:00 - The Importance of Fire Academies Being Both Difficult and Realistic:Frank discusses the debate about fire academy standards and the need for a balance between difficulty and realistic expectations for the job.41:00 - Transition from Engine Work to Special Operations (Squad 270):Frank shares his experiences transitioning to Squad 270, one of the FDNY's special operations units, and how the specialized training prepared him for complex fire scenes.50:00 - The Impact of 9/11 on the FDNY and the Fire Service Community:Frank gives an emotional account of the events of September 11, 2001, discussing the loss of colleagues and the strength of the FDNY’s response in the aftermath.1:10:00 - The Importance of Resilience and Leadership After Tragedy:Frank talks about the FDNY's resilience after 9/11, sharing lessons in leadership and pride from the department's response to the tragedy.1:15:00 - Frank’s Work with the First Responder Center for Excellence:Frank discusses his current role at the First Responder Center for Excellence, focusing on the organization's efforts to address mental health, cancer awareness, and other challenges faced by first responders.Important Resources:First Responder Center for ExcellenceFrank’s books: Cornerstones of Leadership, On and Off the Fireground, 30 Fires You Must Know.

Jared Vermeulen, a South Florida fire captain with nearly 20 years in the fire service and author of The Modern Fire Officer.Jared shares his unconventional journey into firefighting, his early involvement in special operations, and the lessons that shaped his leadership philosophy. The conversation explores firehouse culture, mentorship, career development, and the evolving responsibilities of today’s fire officers.https://modernfireofficer.com/https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Fire-Officer-Building-Endures-ebook/dp/B0GQDNXM6T?ref_=saga_ast_ss_dsk_dp0:00 – IntroductionThe host introduces the Hazard Class Podcast and welcomes fire captain and author Jared Vermeulen. 2:18 – Jared’s Origin StoryJared explains how he originally planned to pursue industrial design before firefighter friends encouraged him to try the fire service.3:25 – Special Operations Career PathEarly in his career, Jared pursued specialized rescue disciplines including rope rescue, trench rescue, confined space, hazmat, and vehicle machinery rescue.4:59 – EMS and Fire Service OperationsDiscussion of how South Florida fire departments operate integrated EMS systems where firefighters frequently function as paramedics and handle a high volume of medical calls.7:13 – Becoming a Paramedic FirstJared attended paramedic school before fire academy due to hiring delays, which ultimately helped him secure a position with his department.9:39 – Training and ProbationNew hires undergo an intensive onboarding program and rigorous medical protocol training before operating independently. 14:49 – Traveling Before the Fire ServiceBefore becoming a firefighter, Jared spent significant time traveling throughout Central and South America, gaining life experience that shaped his worldview.16:16 – Perspective from EcuadorA powerful story about working with shrimp fishermen in Ecuador highlights how travel helped him gain appreciation for life and opportunity in the United States.21:07 – The Firefighter MindsetJared discusses how many firefighters are driven by a desire for challenge, adventure, and testing themselves under pressure.24:00 – Early Years in the FirehouseStarting as the youngest member on his crews, Jared learned from firefighters with decades of experience.26:27 – Learning Through ObservationHe emphasizes that much of the best learning occurs during everyday calls through observation, discussion, and informal training moments.32:24 – Promotions and LeadershipJared reflects on moving quickly through the ranks and navigating the challenges of leading firefighters who once trained him.40:06 – Why Become a Fire OfficerHe explains that becoming a captain was about shaping culture and building a firehouse environment where firefighters can succeed.42:08 – The Invisible Work of LeadershipMuch of leadership involves unseen responsibilities—mentoring, managing relationships, and supporting firefighters through difficult calls.45:41 – Developing Future OfficersFirefighters who aspire to lead must begin building technical competence, leadership ability, and strong relationships early in their careers.49:57 – The Modern Fire OfficerJared explains the concept behind his book and how the fire service has evolved due to expanded responsibilities, public scrutiny, and increasing expectations. 53:13 – Wearing Multiple Leadership HatsModern fire officers must act as incident commanders, mentors, coaches, and peer supporters depending on the situation.55:22 – Mentorship in the Fire ServiceA lack of mentorship is one of the biggest leadership gaps in many departments. Intentional mentoring programs are essential for developing future leaders.58:25 – Morale and Firehouse CultureStation-level officers play a critical role in shaping morale, while administrators must provide support and empowerment for those leaders.

Jake sits down with T. John Cunningham, Assistant Commissioner at the Minnesota Department of Public Safety. With a background in fire service leadership and emergency management, Cunningham shares his unique journey from a young fire explorer in Greenwich, Connecticut, to overseeing statewide emergency response systems in Minnesota.John@tjohncunningham.comwww.tjohncunningham.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/tjohncunningham/Chapters:00:00 - IntroductionHost Jake introduces T. John Cunningham, former fire chief, emergency manager, and current Assistant Commissioner at the Minnesota Department of Public Safety.03:00 - Early Beginnings in Public SafetyT. John reflects on how his public safety journey began at the age of 13 in Greenwich, Connecticut, as a Fire Explorer, sparking his passion for firefighting and technical rescue.07:00 - Moving to MinnesotaCunningham discusses his move to Minnesota to become fire chief and emergency management director in Elk River, including the personal challenges of relocating across the country.10:00 - Leading Elk River Fire DepartmentCunningham talks about his time as Fire Chief in Elk River, transforming the department and overcoming challenges as a younger fire service leader.14:00 - Transitioning to Brooklyn ParkCunningham shares the challenges of leading the Brooklyn Park Fire Department, transitioning from a volunteer workforce to a full-time career service.18:00 - Building the Brooklyn Park Fire AcademyThe creation of a fire academy in Brooklyn Park to improve training standards and recruit from within the community. Cunningham discusses how they structured the academy for success.22:00 - The Art of Leading a Career DepartmentCunningham talks about leading a career department, emphasizing the importance of setting clear expectations, building trust, and leading with empathy.25:00 - Recruitment & Retention in the Fire ServiceCunningham discusses the ongoing challenges of recruitment and retention in the fire service, stressing the need to market the profession and inspire new generations of firefighters.29:00 - Addressing Mental Health & WellnessCunningham reflects on the challenges firefighters face, such as PTSD and cancer, and discusses efforts in Minnesota to prioritize health and wellness for public safety workers.32:00 - Moving to the State Department of Public SafetyCunningham talks about his transition to the state level, where he now oversees the fire marshal division, emergency management, and 911 systems for Minnesota.37:00 - The Future of 911 and Public Safety SystemsCunningham discusses Minnesota’s efforts to modernize its 911 system, the role of technology, and the potential for AI in improving emergency services.42:00 - Navigating State Leadership and PolicyCunningham reflects on using his fire service leadership experience to bridge the gap between public safety agencies, the legislature, and local communities.46:00 - Reimagining Emergency Services with DataCunningham talks about how data is increasingly shaping decisions in public safety, while also balancing the unpredictable nature of emergency services.52:00 - Strategic Planning for Public SafetyCunningham explains how he works with his team to plan for the future of public safety, focusing on the needs of Minnesotans across fire services and EMS.56:00 - The Importance of Community InvolvementCunningham stresses the importance of community involvement in shaping public safety, highlighting how strong relationships can improve emergency services outcomes.1:00:00 - The Next Generation of Fire Service LeadersCunningham discusses the future of the fire service in Minnesota, citing the rise of new leaders bringing fresh perspectives to the profession.1:04:00 - Closing ThoughtsCunningham shares his passion for public safety and encourages listeners to get involved, be proactive, and continue supporting the next generation of first responders.

Jeremy Redman, a former FBI Special Agent and SWAT sniper with over two decades in the Bureau and prior experience with the U.S. Air Force and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI). Jeremy walks through the winding path from a childhood dream of being a fighter pilot to a career built around investigations, tactical operations, and leadership—plus what Hollywood gets wrong, why preparation is everything, and how faith and family helped him carry the weight of the job.Book Available Here:https://www.amazon.com/Send-Me-Chronicles-FBI-Sniper/dp/B0FB95BSW4?ref_=ast_author_dpChapter Breakdown & Timestamps0:00 – 9:21 — Intro + Jeremy’s origin story (fighter pilotdream → OSI) Jeremy explains the early obsession with aviation, the doorsthat shut, and how OSI became the first real “this is it” moment ininvestigations. 9:21 – 19:41 — Overseas interviewing + why “torture” failsat truth Jeremy describes field interviewing detainees,rapport-building, and why coercion creates bad intelligence when you actuallyneed actionable truth. ~19:41 – 24:28 — Quantico mindset: open cases, protectvictims, don’t assume guilt A major lesson: follow the evidence, stay constitutional,and avoid “I just want to catch a bad guy” thinking. 24:29 – 29:06 — How field offices choose priorities + “youcan’t go home” rule Jeremy explains national priorities vs local realities (likeOklahoma’s context) and why the Bureau historically avoids sending agents totheir home regions. 29:06 – 39:35 — Joining FBI SWAT: selection, training, andstaying a “street agent” Jeremy breaks down the path: agent → operator → sniper, pluswhy SWAT operators are still expected to be strong investigators first. 39:36 – 46:40 — Logistics, big ops, and what TV getshilariously wrong From convoys and armored vehicles to the “badge flip”myth—Jeremy explains why Hollywood’s version of federal ops is entertaining…and wildly off. 46:40 – 55:00 — Working with local law enforcement + the“prep wins” philosophy He talks cooperation vs friction, what federal databaseschange, and why every op gets serious planning—because the “easy mission”mindset is how teams lose people. 55:01 – 1:04:31 — Mistakes, AAR culture, sniper pipeline,and gear choices Jeremy shares early “quiet mistakes,” the importance ofhonest debriefs (“hot wash”), and how sniper certification is really just “alicense to learn.” He also discusses why .308 / 7.62 NATO remains a workhorseround for police/sniper work. 1:04:31 – 1:12:45 — Lethal force policy + faith, humanity,and carrying the darkness Jeremy lays out the FBI lethal-force standard (necessity +probable cause + imminent threat), and how faith shapes his view of bothvictims and offenders. 1:14:29 – 1:26:17 — Coming home, retirement, and why hewrote the book A powerful closing stretch: how to “reset in the driveway,”why leaving the team can be emotionally crushing, and how journaling turned into "Send Me".

Jake talks with filmmaker/advocate Eli Yetter-Bowman about how learning his hometown Wilmington, NC had been drinking PFAS-contaminated water (publicly revealed in 2017) pushed him into documentary work—and into confronting PFAS (“forever chemicals”) exposure in the fire service. They cover why storytelling can turn complex science into action, the realities of funding independent documentaries, how Burned became a major impact campaign, and why Eli’s feature ** GenX ** will be released primarily through in-person screenings to drive change. 0:00 – 5:31 — Intro + Eli’s path into advocacy filmmaking; GenX as the origin story behind Burned. 5:32 – 12:36 — Wilmington’s PFAS water crisis + why “invisible” contamination is hard to grasp without story. 12:37 – 16:41 — Personal driver: Eli’s mom’s autoimmune neurological illness + the “root cause” view of public health. 16:43 – 28:13 — Funding the work: why crowdfunding/investors weren’t the answer; the grind of donor fundraising. 28:14 – 32:57 — Why GenX took 8 years; how turnout-gear PFAS urgency paused the feature and sped up Burned. 32:58 – 41:30 — Turning film into a movement: Burned campaign impact (1500+ in-person events) + lessons in change-making. 41:30 – 45:47 — What departments can do now: proactive screenings, gear replacement organizing, and how to follow GenX. Resources:genxthefilm.org — newsletter, screening requests, tour updates ⁠https://etherealfilms.org/ — team + project info Their Substack/newsletter (via the sites)

Chad Costa, Assistant Fire Chief at Petaluma Fire Department, has over 25 years of experience in municipal, rural, and wildland fire operations. In this episode of Hazard Class Podcast, he shares his journey from growing up in rural Sonoma County to becoming a seasoned leader in the fire service. Chief Costa discusses early career challenges, recruitment and retention issues, and the balance between structural and wildland firefighting. With insights on leadership, community involvement, and the evolving fire service, he offers advice for aspiring firefighters and emphasizes the importance of building a strong, well-rounded department.www.chadcosta.org[0:00 - 2:00] – IntroductionIntroduction to Chief Chad Costa and his role. Overview of his career and background.[2:01 - 7:26] – Why the Fire Service?Chief Costa talks about his rural upbringing and how a friend’s encouragement led him to pursue firefighting, despite having no prior connection to the field.[7:26 - 8:55] – Early Career ChallengesHis first volunteer experience and the challenges he faced in gaining acceptance and building his skills.[8:56 - 9:56] – Lessons from Early DaysThe importance of hard work, reliability, and building relationships in the fire service.[9:57 - 12:22] – Instilling Values in New FirefightersChief Costa discusses how he imparts core values like dedication and reliability to new recruits and the challenges of hiring firefighter-paramedics.[12:23 - 15:30] – Recruitment ChallengesThe evolving challenges in attracting and retaining qualified firefighter-paramedics in today’s job market.[15:30 - 16:16] – The Changing LandscapeHow the fire service has evolved, with new generations of recruits leaning more towards tech roles than traditional blue-collar jobs.[16:16 - 20:27] – Becoming a FirefighterThe path to becoming a firefighter, emphasizing education, certification, and gaining experience. Chief Costa stresses the importance of mentorship and decision-making.[20:27 - 24:16] – Balancing Wildland & Structural FirefightingThe difficulty in excelling at both wildland and structural firefighting and how departments balance these two critical disciplines.[24:17 - 31:39] – Transition from Volunteer to Career FirefighterChief Costa reflects on his transition from volunteer to career firefighter and the steps required to build a successful career.[31:40 - 38:37] – Promotion and Career GrowthHow Chief Costa knew it was time for promotion and the role of the organization in making these decisions.[38:39 - 41:35] – Leadership and FeedbackThe challenges of staying connected with frontline firefighters and how Chief Costa seeks feedback to refine his leadership.[41:36 - 42:36] – Handling CriticismHow Chief Costa processes both positive and negative feedback and adjusts his leadership style accordingly.[42:36 - 46:03] – Department MoraleChief Costa discusses how morale is managed at various levels of the department and strategies for fixing morale issues within a fire service organization.[46:04 - 49:00] – Balancing Service and BudgetThe challenge of maintaining high-quality service while managing a department’s budget, especially with dual-role firefighter paramedics.[49:00 - 57:11] – Dual Role vs. Single Role EMSA discussion on the pros and cons of dual-role firefighter paramedics and the push towards single-role EMS services as a solution to firefighter burnout.[57:12 - 1:00:21] – Career Reflections and LegacyChief Costa reflects on his proudest achievements, including creating a career camp for high school students interested in the fire service.[1:00:21 - End] – Closing ThoughtsChief Costa shares his future plans and final advice for those entering the fire service.

Dr. Michael Guirguis, an emergency medicine physician whose career has defied every conventional path. From hoisting patients off cliffs with the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Air Rescue, to advising executive protection teams and serving as Chipotle’s medical director, Dr. Guirguis has lived multiple lives in one. This conversation explores the gritty truths of ER medicine, the high stakes of protective health care in elite circles, and the challenges of raising kids with a trauma-informed lens.0:00 — Introduction & Guest BackgroundJake introduces Dr. Guirguis and his remarkable multidisciplinary resume.0:07 — Childhood Dreams to Medical RealityDr. Guirguis recounts his early passion for law enforcement and how a sports injury rerouted him into medicine.0:19 — From UCLA to Harvard: Medical School InsightsHe discusses the intense journey from back surgery to earning a spot at Harvard Med and how pass/no-pass grading shaped collaboration.0:28 — Emergency Medicine & Burnout RealitiesWhy he chose emergency medicine and how ER shows influenced that choice, plus the emotional toll of the modern ER system.0:42 — Systemic Failures in U.S. Health CareA candid critique of ER overuse, homelessness, and lack of primary care access.0:51 — Law, Violence & Accountability in ERsDr. Guirguis on legal handcuffs, hospital violence, and where administrators get it wrong.0:56 — Training with the Sheriff’s DepartmentDetails of how he combined ER residency with tactical air rescue and law enforcement work.1:04 — Building Raven Medical & Executive Protection WorkBehind the scenes of high-profile security medicine, global protocols, and unique travel logistics.1:14 — Inside Corporate Medicine: Chipotle & XPJHow medical infrastructure is built for corporations, and why brands like Chipotle are ahead of the curve.1:21 — Parenthood, Risk Awareness & Mental LoadHow emergency medicine shaped his parenting, emotional resilience, and risk perception.1:31 — Career Evolution & What’s NextWhat drives Dr. Guirguis today: industry education, client care, and raising kids with purpose.Key Moments“You’re only as good a doctor as what you take out of it.”“Burnout is real, but I chose to do this on my own terms now.”“Executive protection isn’t just brawn—it’s brains, logistics, and medicine.”“The bane of my existence is calling someone a ‘medic’ after a weekend course.”“If something bad happens, you don't want to be the guy who didn’t prepare.”Resources & MentionsXPJ — High-risk medics for executive protectionRaven Medical Support Group — Dr. Guirguis' organization“Untold Stories of the ER” — TLC TV show featuring Dr. GuirguisEMTALA Laws (Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act)TCCC / TECC training distinctions in security medicine

Jake sits down with one of the most revered names in the American fire service—Captain Mike Dugan. With over 40 years of firefighting experience, including a distinguished career with the FDNY and multiple valor awards, Captain Dugan shares a raw, heartfelt, and unfiltered look into the culture, brotherhood, and challenges of the fire service. From childhood inspiration to rooftop rescues, and from leadership lessons to life after 9/11, this conversation is a masterclass in service, humility, and integrity.00:00 – IntroductionJake introduces Captain Mike Dugan and highlights his 40+ year legacy in the fire service, including his FDNY tenure and national teaching contributions.03:10 – Childhood Inspiration: The Fire That Started It AllMike recounts the fire at his grandmother’s house that sparked his lifelong passion for firefighting.08:50 – Growing Up DuganA glimpse into Mike’s upbringing in a big, loving Irish-Catholic family and the community values that shaped him.15:00 – Entering the Fire Service & Early Days VolunteeringHis transition from volunteer firefighter to NYPD officer, and ultimately joining FDNY.23:00 – Academy Stories & First AssignmentsA dive into his "sleep officer" training, first slow company assignment, and the career-defining transfer to Spanish Harlem.34:10 – Firehouse Culture & Leadership LessonsThe importance of pride, ownership, and tradition in building elite fire companies.43:30 – The Famous Roof Rope RescueA gripping retelling of the 1991 rooftop rescue that earned Mike high departmental honors and media attention.57:00 – The Reality of RecognitionNavigating media attention, departmental politics (including the infamous “mustache incident”), and public recognition.1:04:20 – From Firefighter to OfficerHis decision to promote, lessons learned as a lieutenant and captain, and how to prepare others to lead.1:15:00 – Morale, Accountability & CultureWhy company culture is built from within, and how great companies self-regulate and support each other.1:25:00 – The Anatomy of a Great FirefighterHeart, humility, and relentless curiosity—Mike defines what makes someone exceptional in this calling.1:35:00 – Training for the UnthinkableWhy training for the 90% and the 1% are both vital—and how to make the most of your district time.1:47:00 – 9/11 ReflectionsAn emotional segment on being at the FDNY training academy on 9/11 and losing close friends from the firehouse the day before.1:55:00 – Legacy and Final ThoughtsMike shares how the fire service continues to evolve and his hopes for future generations of firefighters.Captain Mike Dugan is a retired FDNY firefighter and former captain of Ladder 123. He has received numerous awards for bravery and served as a national instructor and keynote speaker. Known for his integrity, mentorship, and practical leadership, he continues to shape the fire service through writing, teaching, and speaking.Fire Engineering ProfileNotable Speech: FDIC 2011 Keynote: Why Are You Here?Like what you heard? Subscribe to Hazard Class on your favorite podcast platform.Share this episode with a fellow firefighter or leader who needs to hear it.Follow us on Instagram, Spotify, YouTube or Facebook for updates and behind-the-scenes content.

Battalion Chief Marc Aloan of the West Columbia Fire Department discusses his two-decade career in the fire service. From chasing fire trucks as a child to becoming a battalion chief, Marc reflects on his experiences, including the challenges, leadership lessons, and learning from mistakes along the way. He also shares insights into the role of education in his career, the value of hands-on firefighting, and how he navigates the complexities of leadership in the fire service.0:00 - 1:49: Introduction to Battalion Chief Marc AloanTopic: Marc’s Early Fire Service ConnectionMarc Aloan, Battalion Chief at West Columbia Fire Department, is introduced. He shares how he was drawn to the fire service at a young age, starting with his fascination with fire trucks and following them on his bike.1:49 - 5:38: Marc’s Early Fire Service JourneyTopic: Starting in the Fire Service and VolunteeringMarc discusses his early days in the fire service, including his experiences as a junior firefighter and his time training to be a paramedic, before eventually joining the Air Force.5:38 - 10:56: First Fire ExperienceTopic: Marc’s First Fire and the Impact of CompassionMarc recounts his first fire response during a mutual aid call. He shares the emotional experience of dealing with a family’s loss and the importance of compassion alongside the thrill of firefighting.10:56 - 13:56: Transitioning to Battalion Chief and Leadership PhilosophyTopic: Leadership and Empowering the TeamMarc reflects on his leadership journey as a Battalion Chief, discussing how he empowers his team while balancing the role of a leader and a firefighter. He highlights the importance of allowing individuals to develop their own styles while maintaining department standards.13:56 - 18:30: Learning from Mistakes and Constructive CriticismTopic: The Importance of Post-Incident ReviewsThe discussion shifts to Marc’s approach to post-incident debriefs. He explains how focusing on mistakes and failures helps the team improve and evolve. He emphasizes the need for candid reflection and learning from each experience.18:30 - 23:45: Grinders vs. Naturally Gifted FirefightersTopic: Hard Work vs. Natural Talent in the Fire ServiceMarc talks about the difference between grinders, who work tirelessly to improve their skills, and naturally gifted firefighters. He explains why he aligns more with grinders and how their consistent effort leads to success over time.23:45 - 29:41: Balancing Leadership with Hands-On FirefightingTopic: Staying Involved as a Battalion ChiefMarc shares how his role as a Battalion Chief requires balancing leadership responsibilities with staying active in the field. He emphasizes the importance of being present for his team while supporting them with resources and leadership when necessary.29:41 - 35:07: Conducting Effective CritiquesTopic: Accountability and Constructive FeedbackMarc discusses how he approaches critiques and feedback in the fire service. He stresses the importance of leading by example, being self-reflective, and creating an environment where team members feel comfortable sharing their experiences and learning from mistakes.35:07 - 39:49: The Role of Education in Marc’s CareerTopic: The Value of Formal Education for FirefightersMarc shares his experience with formal education, including his bachelor’s and master’s degrees. He highlights the value of education for career development, leadership skills, and personal growth within the fire service.39:49 - 45:36: Reflecting on Early Career and MistakesTopic: Growth Through Challenges and Learning from MistakesMarc reflects on his earlier years as a firefighter and the lessons learned through mistakes. He shares how these experiences shaped his approach to firefighting and leadership, emphasizing the importance of continuous self-improvement.Contact Information:Blog: The Fire InsideFacebook: The Fire Inside Facebook PageInstagram: @TheFireInside

Jake dives deep into the multifaceted career of Gary Oldham, a veteran in public safety with experience as a police officer, dispatcher, and global strategist at Apple. Gary shares the evolution of his career—from the front lines of law enforcement to managing major technological transitions in emergency services, and now running his own consulting firm, Accelerant 4. This episode is rich with leadership insights, practical innovation in emergency response, and a strong advocacy for tech that genuinely serves first responders.Introduction and Gary's Background (00:00 – 06:00)Early start in public safetyPolice Explorer to full-time officer at 18Initial career motivationsTransition from Police Work to Dispatch (06:00 – 15:00)Burnout and cynicism in law enforcementFinding new purpose in dispatchDifferences between fire and police public perceptionChallenges in Emergency Dispatch Systems (15:00 – 27:00)Evolution from manual dispatch to Pro-QAMisuse of 911 and liability concernsComplexity of triage and human judgmentPublic Sector to Private Sector Shift (27:00 – 36:00)Transitioning to project management rolesWorking with San Diego and navigating bureaucracyManaging layoffs and organizational changesTech Leadership and Working with Vendors (36:00 – 45:00)Leading expert teams as a non-expertAvoiding micromanagementManaging expectations in large-scale projectsJoining Apple and Building Public Safety Programs (45:00 – 1:00:00)Overcoming skepticism and 0% market shareBuilding global police summitsInfluencing product features like CarPlay integrationCreating Impact and Culture at Apple (1:00:00 – 1:12:00)Apple’s unique culture and hiring practicesCommitment to privacy and ethical leadershipWorking with first responders worldwideLaunch of Accelerant 4 and Consulting Focus (1:12:00 – 1:20:00)Why Gary left AppleHelping companies better engage with public safetyTailoring technology to solve real-world problemsLeadership Insights and Future of Public Safety Tech (1:20:00 – 1:30:00)Balancing team dynamics and technical talentEvolving responder technologyBuilding realistic, scalable solutionsGary Oldham is a seasoned public safety expert with over three decades of experience. His career spans police work, dispatch leadership, and tech innovation. At Apple, he led global public safety strategy, taking their market share from 0% to 70%. Now, he runs Accelerant 4, a consultancy helping companies and agencies implement effective, meaningful technology solutions in emergency services.Website: accelerant4.com

Chief Rob Ramirez returns to the show to talk about one of the most unique opportunities in modern firefighting: helping build a brand-new fire department from the ground up. He shares stories of leadership, culture, training, and staying sharp after leaving the fire truck.Segment Breakdown & Timestamps[0:00 – 0:07] Intro & Career LeapRob returns to the podcast, recounting his jump from 20+ years in operations to a command role in a new department.[0:07 – 0:14] Why Start Now? The Motivation Behind the MoveRob explains the rare opportunity to help shape something from scratch and how it aligned with his career goals.[0:14 – 0:21] Starting from Zero: Gear, Trucks, and PoliciesDetails about acquiring vehicles, setting SOPs, navigating town bureaucracy, and learning fast.[0:21 – 0:28] Building the Team: Hiring & Leadership PhilosophyRob outlines their recruitment strategy, training plans, and what type of people they’re looking for.[0:28 – 0:35] Laying the Training FoundationWhy training won’t be optional. Rob discusses shift-based training, officer development, and ongoing standards.[0:35 – 0:42] The Isolation of LeadershipWhat it feels like to be out of the action, staying connected to fireground competency, and the temptation to slip into admin-only thinking.[0:42 – 0:49] How Culture is Built: People, Trust, and AccountabilityThe role of informal leaders, gatekeepers of culture, and using character-first hiring to prevent future problems.[0:49 – 0:56] Handling Mistakes & Measuring GrowthAfter-action reviews, creating safe learning environments, and how Rob approaches performance evaluation.[0:56 – 1:03] Search Urgency, Real-World Fire Talk & Caring About the JobRob and the host dissect a recent fireground situation involving victim removal, and what it reveals about urgency and culture.[1:03 – 1:11] Mentorship, Mastery, and Long-Term VisionMentorship models, when to promote, and how the right people and structure create long-term excellence.Key Moments“You can’t read your own label from inside the jar.”Rob’s final fire call as a captain, ending with gratitude and fireground clarity.The skunk-in-the-parking-lot moment—and what it teaches about perspective.“Our people are our greatest ambassadors.”Resources & Mentions:https://www.instagram.com/robramirez1075_official/?hl=enhttps://www.jupiter.fl.us/firerescueGuest Info: Chief Rob RamirezDivision Chief of Training, Jupiter Fire RescueFounder of Mayday MindsetNational fire instructor and speaker

Dr. David Griffin shares his transformation from minor league baseball player to fire service leader, shaped by one of the most devastating tragedies in firefighting history—the 2007 Sofa Superstore Fire in Charleston, SC. Griffin recounts the incident in vivid detail, reflecting on how it reshaped his view of leadership, mental health, and responsibility. Nearly two decades later, he continues to advocate for cultural change, peer support, and meaningful leadership within emergency services. This episode offers a candid look at trauma, recovery, and the evolution of a career dedicated to honoring the past while improving the future.Episode Breakdown & Timestamps:[0:00] Introduction and Background of Dr. David GriffinOverview of Griffin’s career and his shift from baseball to firefighting.[0:02] Journey to the Fire ServiceHow a conversation with a fire chief led to an unexpected but lifelong career.[0:07] Training and Early Career ReflectionsDiscussion on early training gaps and how outdated practices shaped his outlook.[0:10] Mental Health and Organizational ChangeThe fire service’s growing focus on emotional well-being and leadership accountability.[0:18] Sofa Superstore Fire IncidentA detailed, moment-by-moment account of the tragic fire that claimed nine lives.[0:27] Aftermath and RecoveryThe emotional toll, public reaction, and the beginning of personal and organizational healing.[0:34] Leadership Evolution and LegacyPost-incident changes and the long-term impact of the Charleston Nine on policy and culture.[0:40] Therapy, Speaking, and Personal ImpactGriffin’s battle with PTSD, the healing role of therapy, and the emotional cost of public speaking.[0:51] Principles of LeadershipThe five core values that now guide his leadership style and mentorship philosophy.Key Moments:First-hand description of the 27-minute window that changed Charleston Fire forever.Reflections on leading with humility and empowering the next generation.The mental and emotional challenges of revisiting trauma through public speaking.How the loss of fellow firefighters spurred sweeping department-wide changes.Exploration of non-traditional therapies and long-term recovery strategies.Resources & Mentions:Rowley Report (Sofa Superstore Fire investigation)Upcoming book: 27 Minutes by Dr. David GriffinWaves of Recovery (Ibogaine therapy documentary)Related discussions: Travis Howes’ podcast on traumaGuest Information:Dr. David GriffinAssistant Chief, Charleston Fire DepartmentAuthor and national speaker on leadership and mental health in public safetyWebsite: drdavidgriffin.comInstagram: @drdavidgriffin

Deane Benninghoven, a certified hypnotherapist who specializes in treating anxiety, PTSD, addiction, and emotional trauma through hypnosis. Deane shares his personal journey from chronic pain and opioid dependency to healing through self-hypnosis, leading to a decades-long career helping others unlock the power of their subconscious. This conversation challenges common misconceptions, dives into how hypnosis works, and explores its surprising compatibility with traditional therapy.00:00 – 01:16 | IntroductionJake introduces Deane and sets the tone for a curious, open-minded exploration of hypnosis.01:17 – 07:57 | Deane's Origin StoryDeane recounts how a life-altering car accident led him to discover hypnosis as a tool for pain management and emotional healing.07:58 – 12:08 | What Hypnosis Really IsA breakdown of hypnosis, the subconscious mind, and how symptoms like anxiety or addiction often stem from unresolved patterns.12:09 – 16:42 | The Critical Faculty & Pattern ProtectionDeane explains the “guard” between the conscious and subconscious, and how hypnosis temporarily suspends it for healing.16:43 – 23:41 | Natural Hypnotic States & Trauma LoopsExamples of everyday hypnosis (e.g., driving, daydreaming) and how trauma gets “stuck” in the subconscious.23:42 – 34:20 | Rewiring Trauma with HypnosisThe mechanism behind changing one’s relationship to trauma without re-experiencing it, using Deane's "splinter" analogy.34:22 – 40:47 | Guided Hypnosis SessionDeane leads a short, safe, and relaxing live hypnosis session—ideal for first-time listeners.40:48 – 45:11 | How Hypnosis Empowers ChangePost-session discussion and anchoring techniques that help retrain emotional responses long-term.45:12 – 51:54 | Certifications, Credibility & Finding a PractitionerTips for finding a credible hypnotherapist and info on Deane’s work, especially with first responders."Hypnosis saved my life." – Deane shares how desperation led him to self-teach hypnosis after conventional treatments failed.“It’s not my hypnosis, it’s yours.” – Deane clarifies that hypnosis taps into the listener’s own natural state of mind.“Your subconscious doesn’t know you’re safe now.” – A powerful insight into how past trauma continues to echo through present-day behaviors.“Hypnosis is not sleep. It’s that in-between place we all experience.” – On the true nature of trance states.Summit Hypnosis NW: www.summithypnosisnw.comNational Guild of Hypnotists (Certification Body): www.ngh.netDeane BenninghovenCertified by the National Guild of HypnotistsOver 20 years of experienceSpecializes in working with trauma, anxiety, and first respondersOffers free consultations and hypnotherapy trainingWebsite: summithypnosisnw.com

This explosive episode dives into the story of Erik Holt, a former fire chief fired after reporting alleged election fraud—an election that installed the very board that terminated him. From military service and firefighting to confronting corruption, Holt walks us through his journey, decisions, and consequences.LINKS:https://www.gofundme.com/f/free-speech-retaliation-and-the-cost-of-integrity https://www.facebook.com/justiceforholt/Segment Breakdown & Timestamps:[0:00:00] Origins in Fire ServiceErik recounts his start in emergency services, high school recruitment, army firefighting in Iraq, and career progression in Colorado.[0:10:00] Becoming Fire Chief & Rebuilding a DepartmentTaking the helm in 2022, Erik discusses the chaos he inherited and his success in rebuilding a rural department—cutting response times from 19 to 7 minutes and increasing qualified responders from 4 to 62.[0:20:00] The Election SetupHe details the special district board’s structure and how all five seats unexpectedly opened for election—introducing a slate of opposition candidates.[0:30:00] Election Day AnomaliesErik responds to complaints about the election. He later reviews hours of surveillance footage (which anyone could legally access), discovering a pattern of coordinated, likely illegal poll watcher behavior and vote tracking.[0:40:00] The Scheme UnfoldsEvidence emerges of pre-counting ballots, illegal electioneering, and poll watchers using clickers to track compliant voters. The alleged “offsite coordinator” turns out to be the campaign manager’s husband.[0:50:00] Retaliation BeginsDespite no operational or disciplinary issues, Erik receives dubious orders—like disabling security systems—and the new board freezes fire department bank accounts just before a holiday weekend.[1:00:00] Fire Department Shut DownErik is ordered to shut down operations despite the insurance bill being paid. The board blames him, leading to a four-hour service disruption and massive public fallout.[1:10:00] Public Smear & TerminationDespite not controlling finances, Erik is fired under the pretext of “not paying insurance.” The event is turned into a bizarre celebration by the board with popcorn and lemonade.[1:20:00] Legal Fallout & Personal CostErik files a federal lawsuit (currently under appeal). Blackballed from firefighting, he loses his home and lives in a camper with his daughters while fighting to clear his name.Key Moments:Erik's rebuilding of a failing fire district into a professionally functioning agency in less than a year.Discovery of illegal poll watcher behavior including vote tracking and ballot manipulation.Board’s retaliation including bank account freezing and misuse of authority.Shocking termination under false pretense just 33 days after whistleblowing.Resources & References:Video evidence and court filings shared by Erik on his social media accounts.Colorado election statutes and open records laws (CORAs).Lookup: “Florrissant Fire Muster” for footage of the department’s final major public event.Guest Bio:Erik Holt is a former Army firefighter and veteran of Iraq, former chief of a Colorado fire district, and a whistleblower involved in an ongoing legal and public battle over local election integrity.

In this episode of the Hazard Class Podcast, we sit down with Deputy Chief Daniel DeYear, a 45-year veteran of the fire service, including notable positions such as U.S. Department of State Fire Marshal and Deputy Chief of Dallas Fire Rescue. In a candid conversation, Chief DeYear shares stories from his extensive career, including his early days in the fire service, the evolution of EMS and fire tactics, and the importance of training and accountability in today's fire departments.00:00 - Introduction to Chief Daniel DeYearIntroduction of Chief DeYear and his illustrious 45-year career in the fire service.Overview of his roles in Dallas Fire Rescue and as an international fire marshal with the U.S. Department of State.02:00 - Early Days in the Fire ServiceChief DeYear reflects on his upbringing in the Bronx during the 1960s and 70s, and how he was drawn to the fire service from a young age.Becoming a junior volunteer firefighter at the age of 14.The early influence of the Emergency! TV show and Dennis Smith's Report from Engine Company 82.05:30 - Firefighting in the 70s and 80s: Primitive Tools and CommunicationDescription of early fire gear, including 15-minute SCBAs, and the lack of radios for firefighters.A look at the culture of firehouse accountability before formalized systems were introduced.Chief DeYear's early experiences with dangerous fires, such as the incident where he helped rescue a firefighter trapped under a collapsed beam at the age of 15.09:40 - Realizing the Fire Service Was the Career PathChief DeYear talks about his decision to pursue firefighting as a lifelong career and how his family supported his path despite their initial reservations.The competitive job market in the fire service at the time and his journey to becoming a firefighter in Texas.14:00 - Transition to the Dallas Fire Department and Working as a Fire MarshalChief DeYear’s move to Texas and his time at the Carrollton Fire Department.His work as a Fire Marshal, public educator, and later, a training officer.His time as an international fire marshal and what that role entailed while traveling to over 35 countries.22:00 - The Evolution of EMS and ParamedicineEarly days of EMS in the U.S. and Chief DeYear’s experience as a paramedic in the early 80s.28:00 - Fire Tactics and Safety: A Changing LandscapeDiscussing the evolution of fire tactics, including changes in firefighting gear, communication, and building construction.The shift from traditional fire tactics to more advanced practices, including better understanding of fire science and building construction.34:00 - The Role of Company Officers and LeadershipChief DeYear’s thoughts on what makes a good company officer in the fire service.The importance of mentorship, investing in the crew, and avoiding complacency.43:00 - Line of Duty Deaths and Safety CultureChief DeYear reflects on his experiences with line of duty deaths and the fire investigations that shaped his perspective on safety.The importance of assessing risk versus reward and the need for smart decision-making on the fireground.50:00 - Training and Improving the Fire ServiceThe value of continuous training, even after years of service, and the importance of self-assessment.Chief DeYear’s thoughts on how to cultivate a training culture that embraces learning, even among experienced firefighters.1:00:00 - Handling Critiques and Learning from MistakesChief DeYear discusses how to properly handle post-incident critiques without turning them into punitive sessions.The importance of balancing positive reinforcement with constructive feedback in fire department training.1:05:00 - Chief DeYear’s Advice for Young FirefightersThe role of company officers in shaping the career trajectories of young firefighters.How to guide rookie firefighters and ensure they remain engaged and passionate about their work.

In the Season 2 premiere of the Hazard Class Podcast, Jake sits down with John Esposito, Chief of Department for the FDNY, for an intimate and wide-ranging discussion on leadership, legacy, and the realities of life in one of the world’s busiest fire departments. From 9/11 reflections and the evolution of FDNY to the traits of impactful leaders and memorable fireground moments, Chief Esposito shares hard-earned wisdom and never-before-heard stories that offer rare insight into the heart of New York’s Bravest.0:00 – 2:45 | Intro & 9/11 ReflectionsJake introduces Chief Esposito and shares a personal 9/11 memory.Chief discusses how 9/11 reshaped the FDNY and the lasting impact on the department’s culture and capabilities.2:46 – 6:00 | The FDNY’s National InfluenceHow FDNY’s decisions ripple across the American Fire Service.Lessons learned through innovation and trial by fire.6:01 – 12:00 | Staying Connected to the StreetsChief Esposito explains how he maintains real-time awareness of field operations.Insights on technology, communication systems, and his use of Citizen App.12:01 – 14:26 | Origins & Career BeginningsWhy Esposito joined the FDNY in 1991.Reflections on becoming a firefighter and the influence of Report from Engine Co. 82.14:27 – 18:00 | First Fire & Early LessonsVivid recollection of his first fire.Thoughts on preparation, performance, and the emotional charge of that first job.18:01 – 21:15 | Transition to Special OperationsMoving to Squad 18 and working with elite fire personnel.The rigorous process and mindset behind making the switch.21:16 – 25:35 | Training Culture & Tough CallsThe philosophy of consistent, adaptive training.Real-world example: A Bronx rescue where plan B wasn’t good enough—they needed plan E.25:36 – 30:04 | Memories of Andy FredericksPersonal stories and heartfelt tribute to a fire service legend.A hilarious and humbling hydrant mishap involving Fredericks.30:05 – 33:25 | Climbing the RanksPost-9/11 promotions and unexpected career trajectory.How staying ready allowed him to rise in leadership.33:26 – 36:32 | Leadership & MoraleThe most important traits in fire service leadership.Balancing empathy, accountability, and understanding your people.36:33 – 38:08 | Caring for MoraleWhere morale comes from and how leaders must foster it.Real-life examples of FDNY’s finest doing heroic work.38:09 – 40:00 | Pride & PurposeWhat Chief Esposito is most proud of in his career.Doing the right thing in gray-area decisions.40:01 – 41:21 | The Stupid Question ReturnsOG question: Who would win in a fight—grizzly, tiger, or gorilla?Fun and lighthearted close with reflections on strength and instinct.Segment Breakdown & Timestamps:

Jake engages in a fascinating discussion with Dr. Jeff Burgess, an emergency physician, medical toxicologist, and professor at the University of Arizona. Dr. Burgess leads groundbreaking research on reducing toxic exposures and cancer risks for firefighters. They delve into the challenges firefighters face, from job-related cancer risks to actionable prevention strategies. This is an essential listen for anyone in the emergency services or those invested in occupational health.Video Exclusively on YouTubeFirefighter Cancer Cohort Study“ASK YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS TO SMART PEOPLE”Contact us at ⁠HazardClassPodcast@Gmail.com⁠Pick out some swag at ⁠thehazmatguys.com/hazard-class/⁠Follow us on the socials:⁠YouTube⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠TikTok⁠Thanks for listening and watching!Episode Highlights and TimestampsIntroduction and Guest Overview (0:00 – 0:50)- Jake introduces Dr. Jeff Burgess and highlights his extensive resume.- Dr. Burgess's focus on firefighter health and cancer research.The Wheel of Stupid Questions (0:51 – 4:13)- Jake’s humorous question: "Sock-sock-shoe-shoe or sock-shoe-sock-shoe?"- Light-hearted insights into Dr. Burgess's daily routine.- Transition to Dr. Burgess's career path and medical journey.Dr. Burgess's Career Journey (4:14 – 7:30)- Transition from emergency medicine to medical toxicology and research.- Initial inspiration: occupational exposures in miners.- Early interactions with firefighters during medical toxicology training.Cancer Risks for Firefighters (7:31 – 14:29)- Increased cancer risks for firefighters compared to the general population.- Comparisons between firefighting exposures and other carcinogens like smoking.- Personal health, DNA predisposition, and environmental factors in cancer risk.Firefighting Exposure and Protective Measures (14:30 – 23:51)- Key toxic exposures: soot, smoke, PFAS chemicals, and shift work stress.- Importance of reducing exposure with measures like SCBA use and gear cleaning.- Study results: 40% exposure reduction for engineers on SCBA; 33% reduction with on-scene gear washing.Focus Areas in Current Research (23:52 – 32:08)- Firefighter Cancer Cohort Study (FFCCS) initiatives: PFAS levels, reproductive health, mental health.- Specific studies on interventions, such as saunas and nutraceuticals.- Insights into latency periods and the long-term impact of cancer prevention strategies.Practical Advice for Firefighters (32:09 – 35:05)- Importance of "shower within the hour" after fires.- Keeping turnout gear away from living quarters to minimize exposure.- How firefighters can directly support and engage in research efforts.Key Takeaways- Firefighters face unique occupational health risks, including higher cancer rates and adverse reproductive health effects.- Simple measures like SCBA use, on-scene washing, and immediate showers can significantly reduce toxic exposures.- Long-term research, like the National Firefighter Registry for Cancer, aims to provide deeper insights into these risks.⁠jburgess@arizona.edu⁠⁠www.ffccs.org⁠